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Q: How is it possible for these guys to survive S08E03

In the great fight in that episode we first see the Dothraki approach the army of dead. There does not seem to be even one survivor. Later we see the undead approach Winterfell, break through the wall and kill everybody on their way. One of the last scenes of the fight shows only...

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Aegon

06:12

@Jolenealaska Turns out you were right that this episode was actually better than the previous three. Once you set aside the sloppy writing like Euron's ambush (AGAIN), Dragons acting as if they're made of paper, and their insistence on having Dany go mad.

Jolenealaska

06:29

@Aegon I'm a bit pissed about the Starbucks cup thing.

JAD

that's the part that bothers you?

Jolenealaska

06:44

Because I spent a fair amount of energy defending the show makers in the face of a lot of pretty intense piling-on, and then saw such a bush-league error. It bugged me.

They've fixed it, BTW.

JAD

06:59

ah, that makes sense yeah

Aegon

But hey Jaime killing Cersei confirmed!!!

JAD

hmm, the bait and switch

Bebs

@Aegon what do you mean "confirmed"?

Aegon

@Bebs Well confirmed in my head

JAD

probably a leak

Bebs

07:04

@Aegon I would bet on Arya

Aegon

Jaime made his decision after he heard about how Dany got pwned

That is when he decided to leave

If he were going to help Cersei, why'd he go when she was already winning?

He's going just in case that Targaryens fail

JAD

He's just going to the blonde that's winning

used to be Brienne

now it's Cersei again

Aegon

See his parting dialogues

JAD

He's going full kamikaze

Aegon

He enumerates everthing bad he's done....All for Cersei

And says that "I am hateful"

Never said who he hates

Gonna bet it's Cersei

JAD

07:06

Don't tell Freefolk, they're too busy mourning his character development

Bebs

My theory is that Arya knows the Red Keep very well, she knows its secrets maybe better than Jaime, so she will use that knowledge to sneak and assassinate Cersei

JAD

no way she knows the Red Keep longer than Jaime

Aegon

Think Arya's gonna "tragically" die now

JAD

he has been there almost all his life

she was there what? half a year?

Aegon

@JAD ^ This

Think Mountain's gonna nick her little neck

JAD

07:07

but then again, she is now some badass fighter all of a sudden

Aegon

And then Dog's gonna do for Mountain

JAD

So I'm sure she can use her Eagle view powers to find her way in the Red Keep

Aegon

Heh

Ah yes, the standard X-ray vision kit

Issued to every facelessman

Or er.....The quitters too I suppose

JAD

of course

Aegon

Be as it may, I have a strong feeling D&D are gonna kill her now

JAD

07:08

only thing she misses out on is the hoodie

Aegon

That's how we get Clegane bowl

And then Jaime guts Cersei

Idk who gets Euron

Bebs

@Aegon Asha maybe

Aegon

BTW Dany: Since D&D are hell bent on her going insane, what do you lot think? She dies in battle? Varys kills her? Jon kills her? Or Sansa, that annoying little...., kills her?

@Bebs Oh forgot about her

Bebs

@Aegon the Ironborn fleet will join

also the new Dornish prince

Aegon

Prince Prince of house Prince, the rightful Prince of Dorne in the absence of any trueborn Martells.

Bebs

07:12

@Aegon the Martell house seems extinguished

Aegon

And intriguing that Stormlands and Reach, two of the richest and most populous Kingdoms are just sitting it out because Oh well, our Lords are dead.

@Bebs So they say. Don't be surprised if they invent a Verion Martell.

Bebs

@Aegon right! I was wondering what about them

JAD

@Aegon Verion Rivers, once a bastard, now Lord of Sunspear

you know how it goes

Bebs

And Dany still has the Second sons...?

JAD

they were forgotten I think

It's all about the Golden Company now

Bebs

07:17

I also lost track of the Iron Bank... does Cersei still own money to them?

Kepotx

Another plausible way (not saying i like it, just that it wouldn't surprise me) is that jaime is somehow killed, and Arya take his face to kill Cersei

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so both killed by arya and jaime in some way*

Aegon

@JAD Maybe Daario will sail in like Knights of the Vale did at Battle of the Bastards

Kepotx

@Bebs no clue of what happen in whole Essos, not even Meeren

Aegon

@Kepotx I hate that. So it has a higher chance of actually happening.

Kepotx

I dislike it too, i really hope that the valonqar prohecy would be more respected than azor ahai/princeThatWasPromised one

but that would be dramatic and subversive you know. D&D love to be dramatic and subversive

reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/bl68q9/…

Jolenealaska

07:29

@Kepotx I do not believe that Arya is TPTWP in the show. The prophecy is NOT that TPTWP will kill the Night King. The prophecy is that (s)he will "bring the dawn".

That could very well be ushering in a kinder, gentler age.

And not have anything to do with the NK.

Kepotx

@Jolenealaska so, more a good monarch that would bring prosperity by a peace time rather than the hero that end the war?

Jolenealaska

yup

Kepotx

never seen it like this, but could made sense

Jolenealaska

I've not seen it either, I just think it.

Bebs

07:47

These last few seasons, I had the feeling that every question asked in SE has this kind of answer: "Because they became bad writers"

Aegon

@Bebs Well I think not even the most ardent D&D fans would deny it. They might like the show for the pure entertainment purposes but I don't think they'll disagree that the show's writing's gone downhill rapidly

Bebs

@Aegon I can't figure how is really possible, I mean they have a team of people, advisors, professional and experimented people... how can they all let this go so bad

no one said at some point, "wait, this is not good writing"...

Aegon

Think the problem comes from changing the team from episode to episode

The new guys come along....They have no idea about what's going on, they get a quick 15 min briefing and start writing stuff

And apparently no one reviews their mistakes

Or maybe they just never had a good writing squad, it was GRRM who was holding it all together with reviews.

Kepotx

@Bebs this. best example is this question:

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Q: How is it believable that Euron could so easily pull off this ambush?

Daenerys has Varys on her side who is some kind of master spy. She also has Bran who can scout for her easily. She was up in the sky from where she should be able to see Euron's fleet where they were hiding before she was in range of the scorpions (if the ships could shoot at her, she should be s...

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just comment "it is not", get tons of upvote. The most upvoted, and sadly correct answer, is Dumb&Dumber saying "she simply forget the fleet"

not only she didn't, but that doesn't mean she turn blind

Bebs

@Kepotx that would make too much stupid strategic mistakes if she simply forgot

how could people trust such a queen

old style writing would wipe here out from the show at the first mistake... now, with new style (i.e. bad) writing, characters can do mistake after mistake and they are still around

Kepotx

08:02

@Bebs yup, don't even understand why everyone in the boat was not killed/captured

they knew they would trap her and the fleet. put a little squad in the beach, and done

Aegon

@Bebs They literally discussed the greyjoy fleet before they set off I think

Kepotx

also, tyrion should have sunk with a plot armor that heavy

Aegon

https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Battle_of_the_Gullet

Writers should have read this

But meh I guess they had to give Cersei some sort of an edge against The Dragons to keep things "exciting"

Kepotx

@Aegon writers should have read this

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Bebs

It's sad for viewers because it was the whole point of the initial show, why I enjoyed so much. No character has a plot armor and every stupid mistake is lethal

Kepotx

08:08

also, can't wait for episode 5 were Dany would say "ok, i still have half my boats at dragonstone"

Bael the Bard

08:20

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Q: Why doesn't Dany protect her dragons better?

In the latest episode (S08E04) of Game of Thrones This isn't the first time this type of attack has been used. Why is Dany so clueless when it comes to these attacks? Surely given the history of them being used against her and her dragons she would show a bit of caution when approaching are...

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JAD

@Bebs Not entirely true, it's just that the charaters who you think are main characters, and thus expect to have plot armour are actually not main characters at all

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Aegon

@JAD Yup. I'll eat my shoe if Jon doesn't resurrect in the books

Or if Daenerys dies

Everyone else though....

Bebs

@JAD right, that was nicely said :)

Kepotx

there is of course a survivorship bias in lot of books, and there is always the question: "did he survive because he is a ahero, or is he a hero because he survived?"

given that Jon and Dany are closely related to the song of ice and fire, we can assume the books tell their stories, and they will survive

JAD

The hard part is keeping the feeling it creates alive after it becomes abundantly clear jon and dany are the main characters

Aegon

08:32

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Q: Why didn't she end the war during the meeting of hands?

It's obvious that could have killed with the Are there any legitimate in-universe reasons why she didn't? Seems like the writers just don't care anymore to me. EDIT: I've been convinced why the war might not have ended, but not why it wasn't done anyway. Assuming which the screen...

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Would it be inappropriate if I edited "Meeting of the hands" to Handshake?

Bebs

08:47

@JAD Or they can just avoid making huge mistakes

Bael the Bard

08:59

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Q: Why did Jaime tell Brienne that he strangled his cousin?

We clearly see the Kingslayer beat his cousin to death, not strangle him. He strangled Torrhen Kastark. Does this indicate Jaime is secretly a Kastark or have the showrunners made another error in a massive list?

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Bael the Bard

11:35

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Q: Can resurrected bodies have rights to the iron throne?

I think to remember some discussion telling that time ago, centuries ago, the noble houses had agreed that a resurrected person has no more rights to any title of nobility. I though this was canon in the books, but now I can not find any reference so perhaps it was just speculation in the forums....

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Kepotx

11:56

hello dear new folks

Aegon

@BaeltheBard Probably some Youtube "expert" explored that scenario

Kepotx

@Aegon What do you mean? This rule exists! it's the rule n°4859 Alinea #12, between "Space exploration regulation law amendment made by Argillac" and "My wife was turned into a spoon, can I still marry her?" issue

Aegon

@Kepotx 😂

Kepotx

to be honest, space exploration is as realistic/plausible than resurrection. Just fix the imp to the nuclear-propelled bolt thrown by Qyburn ballistae, and you're done

Aegon

12:14

You don't need nuclear bolts for that

Euron Greyjoy will simply take the iron fleet there if Cersei asked

Space exploration with in style

Kepotx

of course, I'm dumb. Mare Tranquillitatis is still a sea after all

JAD

12:47

I'm surprised we didn't get a question yet about why Daenerys drinks Starbucks

Kepotx

there was one

@BaeltheBard deleted however

Bebs

people are making too much of a deal about this coffee cup

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Q: Why did Missandei said that?

In Game of Thrones S8 E04, "The last of the Starks", cersei kills Missandei, before killing she asks if Missandei has any last words, and Missandei replies Dracarys! Why did she said that, but nothing else?

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Bael the Bard

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Q: Why didn't Varys know about the defences of King Landing?

In S8E4: When during the whole show, Varys has "Little Birds" informing him about everything, how could he miss that King's Landing (or their ships) had so many scorpions to defend the city against dragons?

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Bebs

13:06

House Mormont is completely dead or they still have some cousins, heirs?

hasn't Lyanna some sisters?

TheLethalCarrot

Of mentioned members all dead I think

Kepotx

on the books, family tree is bigger

I should check Baratheon/Targ family tree to edit my answer about gendry by the way

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Q: Does Bran still consider himself part of the Stark family?

Bran has said at least once that he's "not Brandon Stark anymore". Yet, in the Game of Thrones episode "The Last of the Starks" (S08E04), when the Stark children meet in the Godswood to discuss family matters there's no question at all that he should be there. Clearly, the others still consider ...

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Bael the Bard

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Q: Is George R. R. Martin watching Game of Thrones Season 8?

Is he watching/has he watched episodes of the show that have been written to advance the story beyond A Dance With Dragons?

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Bael the Bard

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Q: Biggest dragon in Song of Ice and Fire

I searched in some sites but couldn't find an official (or canon) answer, don't know if there is one actually. I saw this post, but doesn't stays anything about sizes and is only about dragon in Westeros. So maybe someone with more information here could know this: Which one was the biggest dra...

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Bael the Bard

15:49

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Q: How did Daenerys' army survive that much?

In S8E4: we hear that half of the army died fighting the White Walkers. However, in S8E3, we could barely count 15 people still fighting. Did the bulk of the army keep fighting somewhere else or how did so many (thousands?) survive?

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djsmiley2k

18:00

@TheLethalCarrot iirc she even said she is the last of the line in the last season

btw what's the 'rules' on spoilers, in this chatroom?

Napoleon Wilson

> General discussion of "A Song of Ice and Fire", (and that TV show thingy) including all SPOILERS.

djsmiley2k

i didn't see that :D

sO HOW COME BOATS ARE SO DAMN FAST NOW

Also, accidental shouting

I feel like this last episode especially, is so rushed D:

Series 7, Dany's going to winterfell... takes at LEAST one episode

hell, it took an entire gap between seasons ;D

now? get on a boat, arrive at kings landing 5 seconds later.

fact it took 2 days to get to whiteharbour? pffft

oh gawd

Napoleon Wilson

You'll feel right at home here, I'd wager. ;-)

djsmiley2k

why do i think in the remaining book(s?) that the Eyrie will be important 'You can't attack here without coming up the mountains first' -- Dead woman.

Deny hands Jon Snow her caffeinated beverage.

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Q: Purpose of generals of Night King

What is a reason the Night King would create his generals (I don't know a better name for the icy guys that are not wights). If they are killed, the wights they created are also killed. So, more generals means higher chance of a general being killed, meaning higher risk of losing wights. It i...

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Q: Did anyone else know about Cersei being pregnant?

In s08e04 when Daenarys meets with Cersei, and Tyrion says aloud that Cersei is pregnant, did anyone else other than Jamie, Tyrion, Euron and Qyburn (Cersei's Hand) know about it? I.e., is there any plausible way of Tyrion finding out about Cersei's pregnancy without her telling him? If not, I ...

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JonathanReez

@djsmiley2k see reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/bj6hdu/…

@Bebs see every failed corporate product launch, where its obvious its a disaster from Day 1...

I suspect HBO execs were just too cowardly at this point to command Benioff/Weiss to at least listen to the fans and turn the story around

just go on the GoT subreddit and you have dozens of great ideas for how to finish after the books have run out

but nope, we let the maestros run the show no matter what... who cares if they turn the TV show from one of the greatest shows in the history of television into one of the greatest disasters in history...

/endofrant

Napoleon Wilson

21:20

Then again, for every "awesome" fan theory that would make for a supposedly better story, you got the same amount of Redditors screeming "Are you crazy, that's totally wrong!". That's just how the internet works.

TheLethalCarrot

Appealing to fan theories isn’t necessarily a good thing

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Napoleon Wilson

Indeed.

GRRM himself has alluded to the problems this poses.

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