The Quill and Tankard

Jarko Dubbeldam

07:30

@Edlothiad That's how I felt after reading the red wedding. Wait, is there even story left?

Edlothiad

08:17

@Jarko Merci for Maester Coleman I thought I'd checked him out but I was clearly wrong.

Jarko Dubbeldam

yw

I remembered the question when reading the prologue of aCoK, wondering whether Crassen had been accounted for

Edlothiad

Cool that's that added in.

2meta4me

Jarko Dubbeldam

08:44

@Edlothiad somewhere in aGoT is a more specific quote saying that Maester Colemon followed Lysa to the Eyrie. I don't think the sending away Pycelle this went further than out of the room.

Edlothiad

Hmm I only had a quick look

Jarko Dubbeldam

When I get home I'll look for it

Don't have it on me since I finished reading it yday :p

plus I doubt my employer would appreciate that

Edlothiad

you can always look on A search of Ice and Fire

Jarko Dubbeldam

Ooooh didn't know that

and here I was, manually typing those quotes...

Edlothiad

I couldn't find anything in my search

Jarko Dubbeldam

08:51

> "A pity Lysa carried them off to the Vale," Ned said dryly. "The gods are doing their best to vex us. Lady Lysa, Maester Colemon, Lord Stannis … everyone who might actually know the truth of what happened to Jon Arryn is a thousand leagues away."

Edlothiad

Yep was just about to say

found it

Jarko Dubbeldam

In Eddard VI. which only says he is not in KL anymore

> The sun was well above the mountains by the time Catelyn Stark finally reached the Eyrie. A stocky, silver-haired man in a sky-blue cloak and hammered moon-and-falcon breastplate helped her from the basket; Ser Vardis Egen, captain of Jon Arryn's household guard. Beside him stood Maester Colemon, thin and nervous, with too little hair and too much neck.

In Catelyn VI

Which directly places him in the Eyrie

Edlothiad

Ye, but the logic in the first quote is enough.

Jarko Dubbeldam

Not quite

> "A pity Lysa carried them off to the Vale,"

this refers to the household guards, not the Maester, so within the first quote, he could be anywhere

While the point we want to make is that he went back to the Eyrie, following the seat

TheLethalCarrot

09:16

Mornin'

Jarko Dubbeldam

o/

Edlothiad

o7

TheLethalCarrot

Sir, Yes Sir!

175 yesterday in the end :(

Edlothiad

I only hit 135 or something, oh well...

TheLethalCarrot

I'm never gonna get Epic or Legendary at this rate

Aegon

09:30

Afternoon Gents

TheLethalCarrot

Mornin'

Edlothiad

Ok, so my Star Trek answer is up, I need 4 more toots to get me to that bloody silver badge...

Mithrandir

Oh cool, I got a story-identification tag badge

Edlothiad

Time to find a heart tree

I think Mith has established we're the most active chat room on SFF and deicded to stick around and keep pushing us off-topic...

TheLethalCarrot

We're good enough at that as it is haha

Edlothiad

09:37

@TheLethalCarrot Mate you've been here what, 2 months? I've been actively doing this for about 11 months now, and am only at 69 (hue hue hue)

Jarko Dubbeldam

@Edlothiad something something pot something something kettle

Edlothiad

I'm waiting for SW, the next Marvel film

and then S8

Mithrandir

@Edlothiad sure

Edlothiad

@Edlothiad The other theory is Papa smurf has sent him in to spy on us

TheLethalCarrot

@Edlothiad Member for 1 year, 11 months, but not active over that time aye

Edlothiad

09:39

@TheLethalCarrot Ye, I mean I'm a "member" for a year and 6 months or smth, but the first 6 months I didn't actively do anything

Took 6 months to get 500 rep

TheLethalCarrot

Yeah my rep graph is great, I wonder if you can pinpoint the moment I started actively participating

Mithrandir

@Edlothiad oh noes! I've been found out! MISSION ABORT

Edlothiad

Wow that late?

@TheLethalCarrot *technically* you're not supposed to edit just formatting, it's not a significant edit

Mithrandir

09:54

Yes, you are.

Jarko Dubbeldam

@Edlothiad Eh, you can use formatting to change a post from a terrible mess to something readable

I'd say that's significant

Mithrandir

If it actively improves readability, you should definitely make the edit.

TheLethalCarrot

When you edit you should fix all the mistakes in the post, I only saw that one and as my edits don't go through the review queue it was fine to do

Jarko Dubbeldam

placing random backticks, > and * in a post will make a post hard to read, so doing the opposite, might make it good, and would only edit formatting

TheLethalCarrot

My SO meta post about the subject got downvoted into oblivion because I complained that >2k users should also fix everything in a post and obviously meta is mostly full of >2k users who don't want to do proper edits apparently

Actually it's currently at +20/-27

Basically all <2k users agreed cos they wanted everyone to make complete edits and all >2k users disagreed cos they couldn't be bothered to make them. (paraphrasing jus a little)

Edlothiad

10:01

@Mithrandir TLC knew what edit I was talking about, and it was adding two spaces to move the citation to a lower line, although I am extremely grateful as I hate when I miss that

Mithrandir

If that was the only thing to improve...

Edlothiad

Of course it was, I'm god-like...

It always spooks me out when 3 edits have the same number of characters added: scifi.stackexchange.com/posts/172932/revisions

Is that just cuz they were made in a short period of time?

Or a really weird coincidence?

Mithrandir

@Edlothiad Yes.

When you started the edit, it was still in the grace period from the last edit, so it kept the same revision history comment. But by the time you finished, the grace period had ended, but it still copied the revision history comment.

Edlothiad

How long is the grace period? Isn't it 3 minutes?

TheLethalCarrot

5 I think

Edlothiad

10:13

Hmm yes, this would make sense

Mithrandir

5 minutes, but it can get interrupted by other things.

Like, a comment will end the grace period.

TheLethalCarrot

There are some cases where it won't though isn't there?

I think when a new question is posted only a different user edit interrupts it?

Mithrandir

...no, I'm fairly certain that a comment still ends the grace period there.

TheLethalCarrot

Mmmhm I remember something about it a while back on SO meta

Maybe it got changed, either that or I'm imagining it

(I got there eventually)

Jarko Dubbeldam

10:36

What is the biggest thing they left out of the series in your opinion?

TheLethalCarrot

Book to show?

Jarko Dubbeldam

yep

Edlothiad

LSH

Aegon

@JarkoDubbeldam The story

Jarko Dubbeldam

harsh

TheLethalCarrot

10:37

haha

Jarko Dubbeldam

IDK about LSH tbh, she was so briefly mentioned in the books that I'm not sure how significant it is going to be

TheLethalCarrot

GRRM wasn't pleased she wasn't in the show though

Well at least he wanted her in it

Jarko Dubbeldam

Personally it is the lack of the conversation between Tyrion and Jaime as Tyrion is freed from his cell

That one really bugged me

On one side because it starts the drift between Cersei and Jaime

TheLethalCarrot

The Talisa v Jeyne thing is bad too

Made Robb look like a right turd in the show

Jarko Dubbeldam

> "You poor stupid blind crippled fool. Must I spell every little thing out for you? Very well. Cersei is a lying whore, she's been fucking Lancel and Osmund Kettleblack and probably Moon Boy for all I know.

This is sooooo important, because it enforces Jaime's inner conflicts

but instead the abusive relationship continued on

TheLethalCarrot

10:41

Well the show didn't really care about the conflicts till the end of season 7 where they essentially rushed them

They like to rush a lot in the later seasons

Jarko Dubbeldam

but that's only half of it

TheLethalCarrot

All because they put a stupid, pointless season limit on

Jarko Dubbeldam

Because Jaime also replied, explaining the whole 'your wife actually wasn't a whore, that was a lie' story

Which is a big reason why Tyrion felt the need to shoot Tywin

@JarkoDubbeldam the fact that this quote appears 11(!) times in the books, shows how significant it is for Jaime's character

TheLethalCarrot

You liking asearchof then? Haha

Jarko Dubbeldam

yep :)

TheLethalCarrot

10:46

It is very handy

I think I've read more of the books on that site than from my actual ones haha

Jarko Dubbeldam

> "She was no whore. I never bought her for you. That was a lie that Father commanded me to tell. Tysha was . . . she was what she seemed to be. A crofter's daughter, chance met on the road."
Tyrion could hear the faint sound of his own breath whistling hollowly through the scar of his nose. Jaime could not meet his eyes. Tysha. He tried to remember what she had looked like. A girl, she was only a girl, no older than Sansa. "My wife," he croaked. "She wed me."
"For your gold, Father said. She was lowborn, you were a Lannister of Casterly Rock. All she wanted was the gold, which made her no …

Actually, is it ever cleared up in the books who killed Joffrey? I just saw Tyrion saying to Jaime that he killed him, but that could've been out of spite.

TheLethalCarrot

Is it not the same as the show?

LF and Olenna

Jarko Dubbeldam

I'm not sure if it was explicitly confirmed though

TheLethalCarrot

If it's not it will either be in TWOW or be the same as who sent the catspaw, majorly hinted at being Joff but never stated explicitly

Edlothiad

11:02

I’m pretty sure it’s been confirmed, let me check when i’m Back from lunch

@JarkoDubbeldam Ned Warging into the NK last minute and taking his place, he just wants his revenge on lil Joff

TheLethalCarrot

11:19

Ned = NK = Bran confirmed

Jarko Dubbeldam

11:47

Inb4 Ned's honour was caused by Bran watching him at the Tower, similar to Hodor

Edlothiad

Long read but pretty good description of a lesser known character (warning TWOW spoiler)

reddit.com/r/pureasoiaf/comments/7eyt5n/…

WE DID IT REDDIT!

TheLethalCarrot

12:04

What did we do now? :P

Edlothiad

scifi.stackexchange.com/help/badges/14/generalist

I shall become recipient number 36!

TheLethalCarrot

Go you

Edlothiad

Did I possibly manipulate a tag into a place it didn't necessarily have to be yesterday?

Yes, do I care? No.

TheLethalCarrot

Haha

Edlothiad

Is there a better way to do probabilities than

intRandom = random.randint(1,101)
if (intRandom < 20): do x
elif (intRandom > 20 && intRandom<80): do y
else: do z

Jarko Dubbeldam

12:12

intRandom = random.randint(1,101)
if (intRandom < 20): do x
elif (intRandom<80): do y
else: do z

is sufficient

Edlothiad

Okie dokie!

639 SO rep, that's 638 more than me, i'll take it!

Jarko Dubbeldam

also, this should be <= if you want probabilities of 20-60-20

now its 19-60-21

Edlothiad

Ye, I know, I just ignored it

I should probably include 0, right?

no? mb not?

Who cares? not me.

TheLethalCarrot

In C# random.Next(101) will give a number from 0-100 anyway

Jarko Dubbeldam

doesn't matter, 1-101 or 0-100 should do that same, but you gotta correct your if statements accordingly

@TheLethalCarrot yeah, you don't want that

1-100 or 0-99

you want 100 possible returns, not 101

I assumed the randint upperbound as non-inclusive

Edlothiad

12:15

ye you assumed correctly

that's right you don't want 101 options

Golly you're clever Jarko!

Jarko Dubbeldam

well, I work as a statistician so...

Edlothiad

Where's your Cross Validated rep?

Jarko Dubbeldam

eh, its something

TheLethalCarrot

I was just stating that you could simplify the statement if your language supported it so rand.Next(100) then

Edlothiad

Whelp, noped out of there

Jarko Dubbeldam

12:16

It was the first site I was active on, but tbh, my interest is shifting more towards programming

Edlothiad

@TheLethalCarrot It's python, lord knows what python supports

Jarko Dubbeldam

hmm

TheLethalCarrot

Never really used python

Jarko Dubbeldam

not sure how python's rng is implemented, but alternatively you can get a random digit between 0-1 and check if it's < 0.2 or <0.8

That way you don't have to worry about inclusion and stuff

Edlothiad

Ye guess I'll do that

Jarko Dubbeldam

12:19

using random.random()

Edlothiad

I thought of a caveat but realised I'm just shite at maths

Jarko Dubbeldam

@Edlothiad See I do have some posts on CV: stats.stackexchange.com/a/244345/134565

Edlothiad

@JarkoDubbeldam Whoosh

I take that back, I understood that, nice answer

Jarko Dubbeldam

My first ever silver badge :')

Reason I kinda stopped frequenting CV was because the content is very much beginner level or very complicated and specific. I find neither very interesting

Edlothiad

Yeah, that's what I thought. The "interesting" stuff, is bloody intense to follow

Jarko Dubbeldam

12:29

From origin, I am not a mathematician, so I have a hard time following some of the answers

Edlothiad

Ah ok, ye I'm an engineer and I sucked at stats, so I tend to get lost quite quickly

NOOOO TARGAR-AEGON IS AEGON AEGAIN!

TheLethalCarrot

What haha

Edlothiad

The "targar-aegon" comment is gone again

but I saw more opportunity to throw in more Aegon so I put Aegon in everywhere

I wrote :Aegain" because if I'd said "Aegon Aegon" it would've been too confusing

Jarko Dubbeldam

Aegone might've been better:/

TheLethalCarrot

Ah it was the IS AEGON that threw me

Edlothiad

12:35

I contemplated the e, but then I thought not enough Aegon

TheLethalCarrot

12:46

Can you not embed youtube links in spoilers?

Or did I just do it wrong?

Edlothiad

How well does the wall work not very it came crashing down.

TheLethalCarrot

I mean against the wights very well aparrently

Against the WWs themselves = questionable

Against Vicerion not at all

Edlothiad

+1 just for the title.

TheLethalCarrot

Haha it seemed about right though

Anyway that took longer than expected I'm late going for my dinner

Edlothiad

lunch

TheLethalCarrot

12:54

You know by now I use them interchangeably

Aegon

13:45

SE expects me to judge if a Russian song posted by Aleksei Shimansky on SO na Russkom offensive or not

Mithrandir

if you don't understand the message, just ignore it

Aegon

Maybe they should show the offensive flags on localized SEs only to people who are members of those SEs?

@Mithrandir Aye that's what I did. Which makes me think what I said above

Time to see how do Chat flags work and if there is already a proposal for that on meta

TheLethalCarrot

Is it not just above 10k (or 20k) network wide and theyget shown to you?

Jarko Dubbeldam

10k

I know that, because I flagged something yday and the entire chat flooded with users >.>

TheLethalCarrot

haha

Jarko Dubbeldam

13:49

I assumed it would only go to the site mods :x

Edlothiad

Nah, you have to click flag for moderator attention to send it to the mods I believe.

Jarko Dubbeldam

they were anxious to tell me as well xd

Edlothiad

Me and TLC complain about the chat system everyday, it's borked, but oh well

TheLethalCarrot

A lot of the moderation side of the entire SE is borked

Edlothiad

@TheLethalCarrot if I can onebox the youtube video in your answer while hidden can I edit it?

TheLethalCarrot

13:52

Yeah I can't seem to work it out

Edlothiad

Nope No idea, I've done it before but can't remember how

TheLethalCarrot

Oh well

We tried :P

Edlothiad

As you've got it now, it's very visible...

I'd suggest you go back to what you had before

TheLethalCarrot

Well after some scrolling yes

Edlothiad

static link

TheLethalCarrot

13:57

I never had a static link

Edlothiad

But they don't know that S7E7 is mentioned

Whatever it's called when it's not one-boxed

TheLethalCarrot

It was always a onebox

That better?

Edlothiad

It didn't onebox for me in V1

I swear on me left and right babymakers it didn't

TheLethalCarrot

Mmmhm odd, it was for me. Oh well it's hidden behind a link now anyway

Hahaha

TheLethalCarrot

14:11

Myrcella and Tommen aren't dead in the books yet are they?

Edlothiad

nyet

TheLethalCarrot

Didn't think so

Jarko Dubbeldam

Myrcelle is missing an ear iirc, but that's it

Edlothiad

Da

TheLethalCarrot

Aye the wiki said something about an assassination attempt on her and her being injured but it does state as of yet she's still alive.

Edlothiad

14:14

I'm pretty sure it's covered in the TWOW spoiler chapters, no?

TheLethalCarrot

Haven't read them

Jarko Dubbeldam

@TheLethalCarrot Would that be the abduction attempt or something different?

TheLethalCarrot

I don't know I only read it off the wiki, I haven't actually finished AGoT yet

One more answer for the day lined up :)

Edlothiad

:eyeroll:

Now i’m Thinking I can’t wait for this lord of the rings show.

TheLethalCarrot

Hahaha

I'm almost out of candidates though :(

Edlothiad

14:25

Gosh fiddlesticking DARN IT!!!!

It ran in it's infinite loop for 5 minutes and then crashed... Seven Hells!

TheLethalCarrot

Damn, OutOfMemory, StackOverflow? :P

Edlothiad

The dreaded "FindFailed"

The code lost sync with the UI and it wasn't where it thought it was... (I think!)

Ye it misclicked and thought it was a new test when it wasn't pooping heck...

TheLethalCarrot

I hate questionable errors like that haha

It could be this! But it's probably not haha

Edlothiad

Well the worst thing is it has no memory so I can't see what the values were when it crashed, I have to watch the interface...

TheLethalCarrot

Oh that's horrible

Edlothiad

14:29

Love to edit your tiny spelling mistakes

TheLethalCarrot

Oh I'm good at adding them in for you

All on purpose of course...

Edlothiad

Keeping me at the top of that monthly editing list.

TheLethalCarrot

I'd call them typos though, not mistakes :P

Edlothiad

I'm 3200 behind valorum and average ~ 100 more than him a month. So I guess in 3 years I'll be the top!

TheLethalCarrot

Hahaha

Edlothiad

14:32

When you look at the monthly vote stats, you realise how selfish people are with rep, they complain they don't get enough votes and they're not sharing the love themselves!

TheLethalCarrot

Oh I'm terrible at remembering to vote haha

Though again I only look in GoT and ASOIAF and no one else is active there at the moment

Edlothiad

I just click the little toot button when I answer, enter a post etc

I read a lot of the stuff, just out of interest, it's how I know most of my knowledge everywhere

Aight run this again and read your post

TheLethalCarrot

Which one?

Last answer done for the day :) Unless I get bored later on haah

Top 4 on the homepage is me, or Ed's minor edit to one of my answers haha

Edlothiad

14:51

Your most recent answer, there's plenty of examples in The World OIAF

TheLethalCarrot

Well after 3 from the main series and a throwaway line to historical events I stopped

I'll have a quick search though

Edlothiad

Actually there's quite a lot, I suggest you look there

This pseudo random number generator definitely favours <0.4!

TheLethalCarrot

I searched for "flayed" did you just use flay?

No that only brings back 2 as well

Edlothiad

Maybe I'm misremembering

I recall there being a load

TheLethalCarrot

Both searches of "flay" or "flayed" both only bring back 2

Edlothiad

14:55

Ok that's run for 15 minutes, enough of that

Mithrandir

@Edlothiad hmm, I really need to stop being a grump and upvote more. I've been mostly downvoting nowadays

TheLethalCarrot

I've added the two quotes from TWoIaF in anyway

Edlothiad

> Other Red Kings were reputed to wear cloaks made from the skins of Stark princes they had captured and flayed.

Ye only found that, whoopsies

Was much more often in my head, maybe I'm due for a re-read

TheLethalCarrot

I also found the Belthasar Bolton's Pink Pavilion made from the flayed skins of a hundred Sistermen...

Jarko Dubbeldam

@Edlothiad thats problematic

Edlothiad

15:00

Nah it decided it wants to even out afterwards

TheLethalCarrot

All these late answers really take my score/answer ratio down

Edlothiad

15:12

You got at least 1!

Just think about the gold

TheLethalCarrot

15:25

I always get at least 1, and I assume they're usually from you haha

It annoys me when people comment a minor correction and don't upvote too. Especially as that took a bit of research to do too.

I mean I don't expect everyone to upvote but c'mon

:P

amflare

15:40

Happy thanksgiving you wonderful European bastards (and wherever Jarko lives).

TheLethalCarrot

Happy needless turkey murder day

(I think that's the quote)

amflare

Hey now! It’s not needless! We eat them too!

TheLethalCarrot

Oh yeah turkey is good, no where near the best meat though

Edlothiad

@amflare are you going to leave me to the reviews and do family things now?!

amflare

:/

TheLethalCarrot

15:51

Ah the quote was from Friends

@Edlothiad Seems appropriate for you...

2

Edlothiad

17:10

That happened today, it was weird

TheLethalCarrot

Weird I posted it today then cos I meant to do it yesterday and forgot haha

Edlothiad

My new work program seems to be “hey Ed we need these tests done for Friday” i’m Like “ok” start work Friday morning, finish Friday midday 4.5 days of procrastination

Yesterday I definitely did 0 work haha

TheLethalCarrot

Haha I've been bad for it today. Was good this morning then got to just before lunch and we realised the approach we had planned we couldn't do. So I had to back everything out and redo it all again from scratch

Needless to say I haven't done much since then cos my motivation fell like a stone

Edlothiad

18:24

You @JarkoDubbeldam are always allowed to edit my posts

@Mithrandir I don't know how I feel about this being posted in here

On a more friendly not, I've got ~50 pages of SFF ones to go through, and I think you can guess where my priorities lie ;)

Mithrandir

I can remove them if you don't think they should be here.

Edlothiad

No @amf, come back, if you can't because of Thanksgiving I wish you a lovely festive period and enjoy the shizz out of the turkey for us Europeans (I think Jarko is european, he has a northern european name and is awake at the same time as I am)

Nah you're welcome to ask, I just don't really want this to become the main site room, not because of more people, (although I am not that welcome to newcomers) but content wise

While we do stray we try to keep it on-topic, but if it just becomes new mos or whatever you want to call it then we all know what's going to happen...

Mithrandir

...then we'll all learn not to make Mos's mistakes all over again?

Edlothiad

But the content was the main point

this is and should always be a GoT and aSoIaF chatroom, even if we stray

Jarko Dubbeldam

@Edlothiad Dutch

Mithrandir

18:31

I finally learned who the author of ASoIaF is today runs

Edlothiad

That's fine, I mean we all start somewhere

I watched the LotR films before the books, look at me now ;)

Hello @Dobrychtop, what brings you to our little humble abode :)

Mithrandir

@Edlothiad you are dead to me

Edlothiad

Oh well...

We can't pleasure them all

(so appropriate given the room :D nice one ed!)

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