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Nathan, have fun driving. Jason, have fun answering questions. See you in the other chat room in a little less than 3 hours. I'm going to cook some dinner.

Jason Salaz

Later

Nathan Greenstein

All right, see you

Nathan Greenstein

12:17 AM

Nice, didn't expect that.

Jason Salaz

Expectations

Alan Munn

1:19 AM

Hi, I have a weird Eudora problem that is probably too localized for a real question. Anyone here with any Eudora/Rosetta problem experience?

Jason Salaz

Technically, considering a certain someone's recent question (cough*@Daniel*cough), that is not nearly too old to be "too localized".

While I don't know for certain, I suspect that most anyone in this room will be too young to answer the question, and I think you'd be better served asking a question on the site.

And in case you're wondering about the recent question I'm talking about:

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Q: How to exit Assembler back to Applesoft Basic on Apple ][GS

When writing in Applesoft Basic on my Apple ][GS, a crashed program occasionally dumps me not at the Applesoft Basic prompt (]), but at the assembler prompt instead (*). How can I get out of the Assembler and back to Basic (no pun intended)?

Alan Munn

I wasn't thinking about the oldness so much as I have three Intel macs all running 10.6.8 and Eudora, yet on one of them, Eudora simply crashes when you try to check mail. I'm a very experienced Mac user, but this one has got be confounded.

Jason Salaz

Sounds like a perfect candidate for a question. My knowledge of Rosetta is VERY limited, unfortunately.

I know what it is, what it's used for, and I've had to install it once (maybe twice) before, and that's about the extent of my knowledge :).

But the site has some very smart users.

Alan Munn

@JasonSalaz Oh wow. :-) Although I must confess to having actually written software for the Apple II even I can't remember that kind of detail.

@JasonSalaz Ok. Thanks I'll ask a question. If the closing gods determine it too localized, so be it.

I don't have enough rep on this site to add a new tag, so I couldn't tag it with Eudora. (Which kind of shows how few questions there are about it here.)

Jason Salaz

1:38 AM

I'd be glad to edit it in for you.

And I did.

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Q: Eudora crashes under Snow Leopard when checking mail

I have a weird Eudora problem that I don't even know quite where to start to solve. I have three Intel Macs, (a MacBook, a Mac Air and a MacBook Pro) all running the latest update of 10.6.8 (including the most recent v.1.1 of the security update.) Eudora 6.2.4 (the last version released) runs fla...

snow-leopard rosetta eudora

Daniel

Eudora! That brings back memories.

Alan Munn

@Daniel Still the best mail client ever. I'll be sad to switch. I've been using Mail.app concurrently, but it still doesn't really match up. But the writing is unfortunately on the wall with Lion, and I can only hold out so long.

Daniel

Eudora was actually my mail client on the last Windows machine I used before switching to Mac.

I'm still running Leopard on my G4 eMac. I hadn't thought of running Eudora, though.

What makes Eudora so much better than Mail, @AlanMunn?

(Bad subjective for a Ask Different question, but fine for chat)

Argyle Marionette

1:53 AM

When it says "not the room you are looking for?" in the upper right-hand corner, I think of the storm troopers in mos eisley

Alan Munn

@Daniel There are a few things for me at least. It's possible that I'm not used to Mail enough though. The search in Eudora is incredibly fast and seems to be more efficient than Spotlight. The interface is less clunky (I'm not a big fan of the three panel interface of Mail.)

Also one really annoying thing with Mail is that when I search for something, I can't easily go to that message in the larger list, since the list displayed is only the list that reflect the search criteria. (I don't know if this description makes sense.)

So unless I'm missing something, I have to do the following: enter a search term, double click on the message I'm interested in so that it opens itself, then delete the search term from the search box to get back to the whole mailbox list to see the message in its larger context.

Daniel

Sounds fair. I've gotten used to Mail, with all its drawbacks, so I don't tend to notice them.

Alan Munn

@Daniel Yes, we all adapt. I've just resisted as long as possible in this particular case.

Daniel

2:08 AM

Good for you!

My Windows machine was clunky enough that my associations with Eudora weren't positive due to overall machine crashes (and bad dial-up), so I wasn't eager to replicate it on the Mac.

Alan Munn

@Daniel I've never had the pleasure [sic] of using a Windows machine to any great extent. I've always used Macs or some version of Unix.

Daniel

2:23 AM

I started on an Apple //+, then an Apple ][GS, then a Gateway 386 running Windows 3.1, then a dreadful Toshiba laptop with Win95, then a Dell running Windows ME, which crashed and killed a chapter of my dissertation in the process.

At that point, I bought an eMac to finish my doctoral dissertation, which I still use (I upgraded it from Panther to Leopard), but my primary machine now is a mid 2011 13" MacBook Air

Alan Munn

@Daniel I wrote a bunch of software for the Apple II (running CP/M) and IBM PCs running DOS. (I used to write lab automation software in an Engineering research centre. I bought a Mac Plus as a student and have never looked back. I have a succession of old Macs in my basement now. A Mac SE30, Mac ii SI, a Powerbook or two and a G3 tower.

Alan Munn

3:11 AM

@Daniel I just discovered your answer apple.stackexchange.com/a/28872/13541 here. Thanks. I was just about to do this. Now I won't.

Jason Salaz

3:39 AM

Leaving this here for later reference;

in Ask Different Town Hall Chat, 2 mins ago, by bmike

@MichaelMrozek Simple - the site belongs to the users. Apple users are as a class less likely to be computer scientists or linux admins, or super users or heaven forbid programmers.

Jason Salaz

3:54 AM

in Ask Different Town Hall Chat, 3 mins ago, by Daniel

@WheatWilliams Platform pantheistic knowledge magpies. That's who we need to attract here.

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But since "I posted it" I can't star it. Booooooooo

But if you'll excuse me, I have company over (have for an hour and a half! oops!), off to relax tonight, and on towards 10K network rep tomorrow!

Again, good luck everyone.

Daniel

@JasonSalaz good luck, and have fun with your company.

It wasn't really much of a "debate" -- people mostly agreed about most things. Which is a good thing, as far as I'm concerned.

bmike

4:11 AM

WOAH - that was sort of intense....

@JasonSalaz Oh man - I should have said SOME apple users. It looks like I was dissing all apple users, doesn't it?

Daniel

Intense doesn't begin to describe it.

I'm still spinning.

But I'm happy with my closing statement.

And I didn't read anything you said as dissing anyone, @bmike

bmike

4:26 AM

@Daniel I kept trying to make my answers shorter - perhaps that one was too short. I will hit up the asker of that question. I would put our site here up against any one and we could go blow for blow pointing out lame and weak questions. I bet for each one he finds here - I could find several of similar or worse quality on

Daniel

I ran into the character limit several times. Concise and quick -- I can do one with my answers.

Daniel

5:15 AM

@KyleCronin are you around?

@NathanGreenstein Hope the driving went well. Great questions!

Nathan Greenstein

@Daniel Thanks :)

I remember my Town Hall

Intense is the right word.

Although, looking back at some of my responses, I fail to understand how I was ever elected ;)

Daniel

5:37 AM

How was driving?

Jason Salaz

@bmike I wouldn't call it a diss. Your sentence made it seem like a "majority", which is what I was contesting.

bmike

@JasonSalaz I appreciate your critical eye. I would clearly have done the same had someone else typed the words I had. You were probably right to shelve the issue given what else was going on - but I wouldn't have minded it a bit.

Jason Salaz

5:56 AM

The first election was weird, besides Kyle we didn't really have critical mass of fame to vote on.

To think, Kyle technically didn't run.

He just got hand-jammed in after the fact.

Daniel

1:08 PM

@bmike Concise, quick, precise: choose two. That's what I should have said last night. Which proves the point...

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