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bmike

00:00

@stuffe good night!

daviesgeek

@JasonSalaz Is that you doing the starring?

Jason Salaz

Indeed it is not.

I have not star'ed since stuffe's initial magpie reference.

daviesgeek

Ok...just wonderin'

I still don't get it...

bmike

@JasonSalaz and the outspoken badge was what I meant for "king of stars" apple.stackexchange.com/badges/65/outspoken

(but it appears I am in that club too...)

Jason Salaz

8 mins ago, by daviesgeek

Oh, now I get the magpies....

daviesgeek

00:02

@JasonSalaz haha

I thought about it more and still don't get some of the references....

I thought I understood the magpies reference.

Maybe I do get it...I'm confused about the whole thing which may mean I don't understand it.

Anyhow, I'm going to stop talking about it because I don't know what I'm talking about.

Jason Salaz

@KyleCronin Was it you who showed us some kind of scheduling/calendar web-app? Where individuals mark their best availability for an event, and the moderator/requestor can pick the time with the most overlap?

daviesgeek

@bmike How does the outspoken badge work?

bmike

@JasonSalaz if only iCloud had a free/busy service.... (then we could use the hundreds of calendar clients that support CalDAV)

Jason Salaz

"Posted 10 messages in chat that were starred by 10 different users."

@bmike That's a bit too heavy for one-offs.

Or were you being serious? I assumed it did. iCal and all...

daviesgeek

Yes, but does that mean you post a message that is starred by ten users and if you have ten of those you get a badge?

Or, if you have ten different messages that have been starred by ten different users.

I'm confusing myself.

Hopefully you understood me Jason.

Jason Salaz

00:08

I doubt bmike knows that with certainty, call it a hunch. Go search MSO.

daviesgeek

Did you understand what I meant?

Jason Salaz

I do understand the question, and I know I can't exactly construe it to the specific criteria.

daviesgeek

Ok, just wondering if you knew off the top of your head.

Jason Salaz

I suspect the badge says "10 messages starred" and "by 10 distinct users"

there can be 1 message started by 1 unique user, and if you get 9 more uniques pairs, then you get the badge.

daviesgeek

Ok, so it's the second case that I said.

bmike

00:10

@JasonSalaz Agreed - I was contemplating volunteering temporary accounts on my test server, but it might be unstable with 10.7.3 testing this weekend...

@JasonSalaz yeah - no clue if the 10 stars and 10 messages are disjoint sets

daviesgeek

Wow, there's several different badges that no one has earned.

bmike

I figure if 10 people like one funny, then you should be in. But I don't make those rules - and since it is a silver badge - perhaps you really want 10 distinct funnies.

daviesgeek

Though I suspect you are pretty close @bmike to most of them.

bmike

@daviesgeek I've only reached 200 point days eight times, so I have a long way to go for that epic badge

Kyle Cronin

@JasonSalaz are you referring to doodle.com ?

it's nice, but I really would like the ability for every single participant to lay out all the times that they're free, instead of having the poll creator have to set specific times up front and have people vote on them

this chat is so active I can't keep up

Nathan Greenstein

00:27

@KyleCronin I gave up long ago :)

Especially with all this talk of magpies

And TV references I don't get

Kyle Cronin

this is kind of why I don't think that the "town hall" works in chat format

bmike

@KyleCronin yup - being silly doesn't work so well in chat

Kyle Cronin

maybe we should take up Jason's suggestion and do a Hangout for it

3

Nathan Greenstein

@KyleCronin I want to feel like my G+ account has been worth having for some reason :)

Kyle Cronin

indeed

I don't read G+ stuff anymore

just took me 5 minutes to find the "start a Hangout" button

Jason Salaz

00:30

weird name for an event / schedule site. doodle? huh

daviesgeek

00:42

@bmike oh, really? I thought you would have been pretty close by now.

@KyleCronin that's pretty cool

@NathanGreenstein haha

even though i've been in chat quite often today, I don't get a lot of what they're saying.

Kyle Cronin

does anyone have the capability to do a broadcast w/ G+?

Nathan Greenstein

@KyleCronin I don't think there's much you can do except record the screen and stream to justin.tv or something like that.

Unless you're YouTube and the White House...

Kyle Cronin

well, according to things I've read on the internets, they've been rolling it out to other people as well

Nathan Greenstein

@KyleCronin Ooh, cool

Kyle Cronin

but obviously not to me

Nathan Greenstein

00:48

I imagine it's the same group of people who can do live streaming on YouTube

or a subset of that group

Kyle Cronin

yeah, you're probably right

and what's the limit to the # of people that can join a hangout?

Nathan Greenstein

~10, IIRC

maybe 8

Kyle Cronin

hm

6 candidates + 2 existing mods means we need at least 8 spots

might work

but we wouldn't be able to get other non-candidates on the call

Nathan Greenstein

Well, there's a lot of time between now and when the nomination process ends. I think we can expect at least a couple more by then.

Kyle Cronin

perhaps

though the site banner did expire

Nathan Greenstein

00:54

@bmike Okay, posted my (kinda half-baked) response.

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A: What would happen if we expanded the scope of this site to include iTunes Connect?

I like this idea, but I'm still a bit hesitant. Our site is currently geared towards users (and administrators) who want to get the most out of- or fix problems with- their Apple hardware and software. People asking questions about listing the app/media stores and iTunes U aren't asking as user...

Jason Salaz

02:03

bmike killed the room.

how? productivity.

Actually that's a lie, that's Nathan's answer.

I stand by what I said though.

Google+ Hangouts support 10 people.

The point is to have only candidates, and the moderator. The one moderator can receive info from the other staff members or elsewho and centralize them.

Fragmentation and so many question sources is really a rather big problem.

Daniel

I ran off because I had to do actual work.

Nathan Greenstein

This is the second time today Daniel's come in seconds after Jason. Has anyone seen these two in the same place at the same time? ;)

@JasonSalaz I agree. I think the hangout could be fun, but that the chat is where the work will really get done.

Daniel

I don't really exist.

Jason Salaz

I have: the podcast.

Daniel

The mythical podcast that hasn't been posted?

Jason Salaz

02:05

Touché

Kyle Cronin

:(

Daniel

If we're talking conspiracy theories, that's like the photo of bigfoot I have on my broken camera

Jason Salaz

(Insert: "you don't have enough money for a second high quality mic and you're really a voice actor" joke here.)

Daniel

Sorry Kyle

Not complaining, but it did turn into a joke at your expense, which wasn't my intent.

Kyle Cronin

no, I deserve it, I need to really get it up

Nathan Greenstein

02:06

Anyone know if X does any cleanup stuff during bootup after an update?

My laptop's fan is going like crazy, and all I did was reboot after the update

Kyle Cronin

could it be mds?

Daniel

is X X11, OS X, a varible, or somethine entirely different

Nathan Greenstein

OS X, I was being lazy :)

but I'd argue that X11 is a variable all by itself

with that, I've got to go. see you guys

Daniel

I have no problem with lazy; I just don't do as well with confused

which is my natural state

Later, Nathan

My students left the classroom, so I should probably turn off the computer and go home

Kyle Cronin

ok, bye Nathan and Daniel

Daniel

02:08

Later.

(there certainly are chat regulars...)

Jason Salaz

Kyle Cronin

congrats

Jason Salaz

Kyle Cronin

your second gold

Jason Salaz

Indeed

Jason Salaz

02:42

26 Fanatic users.

not bad

Daniel

Congrats @JasonSalaz. Welcome to the club :-)

Jason Salaz

you got in before I did? geez

Daniel

I was after daviesgeek and before cksum (#20).

Jason Salaz

/me is hurt inside

Daniel

sorry.

I've only missed 6 days since I joined the site.

And 3 of them were last weekend.

Jason Salaz

02:52

at least that was after the gold badge for consecutive visits :P

Daniel

I was at 150 days running when I went away.

Thus the term "fanatic"

or knowledge magpie. Either way...

But you have 2 gold, 19 silver, 37 bronze, and I've only got 2, 9, 32, so you're clearly in the lead for badges.

Jason Salaz

that's not the point!

Graham Perrin

03:21

Hey I just noticed, apple.stackexchange.com/privileges/chat gives the wrong link and an outdated name for Ask Different

A pink highlight over the error: diigo.com/0mz1z

Nathan Greenstein

@Graham One of the many...

Not a page we have any control over, I'm afraid.

Graham Perrin

@NathanGreenstein thanks, should I report it in one of the other SE meta areas?

Nathan Greenstein

What was the wrong link part?

Graham Perrin

03:38

" the chat for Apple - Stack Exchange is at: chat.stackexchange.com " — that's not Ask Different Chat, that's all rooms; and from all rooms it can be surprisingly difficult (even for an established user) to find Ask Different Chat ;-)

Nathan Greenstein

@GrahamPerrin Ah, I see

Well, it's the same generic link for all the sites there.

You can bring it up on meta if you want, but I doubt anything will change

They seem hesitant to customize these formulaic pages for different sites.

Graham Perrin

@NathanGreenstein yeah I'll bring it up but no rush. It's definitely misleading.

Nathan Greenstein

Okay, sounds good

Graham Perrin

03:54

BTW I've been busy with other stuff for a few months, I should be back with Ask Different more often after a week or so :-)

Daniel

04:09

Are moderators on Ask Different also moderators on Meta.Ask Different?

Nathan Greenstein

@Daniel yeah

Jason Salaz

05:20

Ask Different as a whole.

But you knew that now.

Daniel

05:35

How are things in Colorado?

Earlier than it is here.

(profound observations about time zones)

@JasonSalaz

@JasonSalaz I'm amazed how many of the toys they used as the basis of the animation are ones I had. But my Voltron toys never danced like that.

Thanks for the links.

Kyle Cronin

I wish Audition had a decent noise gate

I've played around with it a lot, but there's always stuff it cuts off

I just want something that will be completely hands-off when the person is talking, and for a few seconds before and after

but when they're not talking, just mute the audio

Daniel

05:52

I assume GarageBand is a bad choice for some reason, but it's the only multitrack audio software I've worked with.

Kyle Cronin

if GB has a good noise gate I'll use it to preprocess the individual audio tracks

but I wasn't aware that it did

anyway, long story short: you'll hear breathing on podcast #22

Daniel

What's different about #22 compared to the first 21?

Kyle Cronin

well, this sort of thing is always an issue, it's just a matter of degree

I think the kind of headphones you were using tended to pick up your breath and scratching a lot

Daniel

06:08

'Doh. Sorry.

I'm new at this sort of thing.

Kyle Cronin

understandable

and the benefits of having you on outweigh these minor audio issues

but if you being on the show becomes a regular thing, you'll need to get a better mic :)

Daniel

nod

Jason Salaz

08:05

I also noticed how very ADD you were, Daniel.

The fact that you were mucking around the document pretty much the whole show, even when you were talking.

I was quite amused by that, actually.

Related: Google's collaborative user cursor indicators are HILARIOUSLY awesome.

Ask Different Blog

09:11

Ask Different Blog: Podcast #22: Ask Different’s First Birthday, Technology in Education

Nathan Greenstein on February 02, 2012

This is the twenty-second episode of the Ask Different Podcast. Your hosts this week are Kyle Cronin, Jason Salaz, Nathan Greenstein, and Daniel.

Welcome to the podcast, Daniel! This is the perfect week to have Daniel on the podcast because, in addition to being the #10 user on Ask Different, he’s a community college teacher.

We begin with a discussion of Area 51 and the process of starting a Stack Exchange site. Kyle recalls that his ‘Apple’ proposal took some time to get off the ground; in many ways, that was harder than maintaining the site now. Daniel used to do something similar when he evaluated potential Usenet groups. …

bmike

14:16

@KyleCronin @Daniel He says that to all the guests ;-) (Ok - sample size of like 2 and some anecdotal discussion) Can't wait to hear the results of the show

Daniel

15:58

@JasonSalaz mouth and brain not connected. While I'm talking, I'm usually working on the next thing I'm saying. A necessary skill when you lecture for six hours a day.

bmike

@Daniel I'd be interested in how that professional skill bleeds over into the rest of your life.

I'm always amazed how much my training shapes me and I need to be conscious of how odd the path I've chosen shapes my perceptions and actions.

daviesgeek

17:27

@JasonSalaz Believe me, you haven't seen ADD. I am really ADD.

Jason Salaz

You say I haven't seen it, but I've seen you in this chat room.

Good enough? Maybe? :)

daviesgeek

oh, yeah

Pretty good

Especially this:

18 hours ago, by daviesgeek

Oh, now I get the magpies....

17 hours ago, by daviesgeek

I still don't get it...

I am still laughing over that one....

BTW, @JasonSalaz @bmike @KyleCronin @stuffe @Daniel I am going to post a meta question about what we discussed yesterday so that all your answers are in one place, and I won't have to go search the chat room

daviesgeek

17:41

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Q: Should we be changing titles from "How to...?" to "How can I/do I/should I....?"?

This was a question that I brought up in the chat room yesterday. I brought the question over here to meta so that all the answers from all the people could be put into one place. The question is: Should we be changing titles from "How to...?" to "How can I/do I/should I....?"? I don't like "H...

Please chime in, especially if you chimed in on the discussion yesterday.

stuffe

18:25

Oh go one then :)

daviesgeek

23:14

Wow, to get the MBP that I want would be $2,700!

@JasonSalaz Congrats!!

Sorry, that'd be $2,600

Still expensive.

Jason Salaz

23:38

I could make it more expensive.

I have a (not at all unique) skill, in that manner.

$4,097.00

Ok, ok, $3,098.00 without the thunderbolt display.

2.4GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7
8GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM — 2x4GB
750GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200 rpm
SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
MacBook Pro 17-inch Hi-Res Glossy Widescreen Display
Backlit Keyboard (English) & User's Guide
AppleCare Protection Plan for MacBook Pro - Auto-enroll

17 MBP, too

Kyle Cronin

I wonder if this is intentional, selecting the most expensive option for everything in the Mac Pro config results in a price 5 cents shy of $20,000

Free Shipping!

Jason Salaz

likely

Kyle Cronin

if I'm spending $20k, you bet it's free shipping

Jason Salaz

there's no tax in that calculation yet

and all the components are very specifically priced.

These ain't no amazon prices.

Kyle Cronin

this even includes the printer and assorted dongles

Daniel

23:54

But does it include a Thunderbolt cable?

Kyle Cronin

no, actually

Daniel

Because those things are expensive.

Kyle Cronin

$50, right?

Daniel

$20K for a computer is one thing, but add in that cable...

yes

Kyle Cronin

actually, no TB stuff at all

wait, has the Mac Pro not received TB yet?

Daniel

23:55

Target Disk Mode?

Kyle Cronin

@Daniel hm?

Daniel

No Thunderbolt.

Kyle Cronin

wow

Daniel

I was saying you'd want the cable so you could boot it in Target Disk Mode.

But without a TB port, that's kind of a moot point.

Kyle Cronin

well, TDM works with FW as well

Daniel

23:57

'Doh. Right. I'm thinking of my MBA with no firewire. But MP still has firewire.

Kyle Cronin

yeah

Jason Salaz

correct. No thunderbolt for the Mac Pros.

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