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VxJasonxV

01:43

Hello, from Lion!

... roar!

Nathan

02:01

@VxJasonxV The fan of my macbook is pretending to be a lion.

VxJasonxV

heh

Nathan

Who knew spotlight indexing could be so taxing...

geez, 85%cpu from mds and mdworker

Steve Moser

02:22

Hey Nathan, thanks for working hard and editing everyone's questions including mine for the better. Just tell me you don't have a sock puppet account :)

Nathan

@SteveMoser Welcome :)

And no puppeteering going on here

Steve Moser

@Nathan Good to hear. Sorry for such a short first answer I just wanted to be the first then edit and make improvements after. Is that behavior frowned upon at all on Stack Exchange sites?

Nathan

@SteveMoser You're fine. I just happened to drop in on that question at the wrong time.

Since I didn't know that Safari mode was part of recovery mode, I was confused.

But your edit cleared it up.

Steve Moser

@Nathan I looked for a restart in Safari option in Sys Prefs and didn't find anything..

Nathan

Yeah, I didn't see anything in there either.

VxJasonxV

02:48

I admit, I'm looking forward to full screen mode in Chrome.

Nathan

@VxJasonxV works fine omm

VxJasonxV

what?

nonono, their Full Screen Mode is one they implemented themselves. People generally call it "kiosk mode".

It's not Lion Full Screen, because it doesn't have the opposing arrows.

Chrome's full screen doesn't give it it's own space and all that.

Nathan

VxJasonxV

buuuuuuuuuuh?!

what channel are you on?

Nathan

VxJasonxV

02:51

I'm on the dev channel for crying out loud!!

I'm on Chrome 14.

were there flags or anything you had to set?

Comment 43 by [email protected], Jul 18 (2 days ago)
The next Chrome 13 update will have the fullscreen button removed.

http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=74065

So apparently I would have had it if I were using Lion before a few days ago. But I wasn't so I never saw it.

and after you apply that update, you lose it too.

You should still have the full screen feature, just not the bars. For all the reasons I mentioned before.

What is the plus icon supposed to do in the quicklook window?

Nathan

@VxJasonxV Resize the QL window and click it.

VxJasonxV

resizes for content but doesn't center. well... halfway there is good enough I guess :P

Nathan

haha, divvy works on QL windows

VxJasonxV

03:33

For all the "I want, I want, I want..." I do, I do not want these: lockerz.com/s/121929500

lockerz.com/s/121929500

Awww, no inline preview for lockerz? Boo

Kyle Cronin

03:43

For all your OS X Lion question needs, try http://t.co/4rY0NSf

Tweeted by codinghorror on July 21, 2011 at 3:37 AM

VxJasonxV

woo

Kyle Cronin

interestingly, the Twitter app unshortens it to askdifferent.com

VxJasonxV

yep

many apps do

Kyle Cronin

well that wasn't really the interesting part, but that he used "askdifferent.com" instead of "apple.stackexchange.com"

what's the best way to get GCC without XCode?

my first instinct would be to compile it, but that obviously won't work

VxJasonxV

Nice first instinct :P.

Xcode is free, why avoid it?

too heavy space wise?

Kyle Cronin

03:52

it's currently taking up 10GB on my machine

I'd like to cut that down by about 10GB

basically, I'd like to get all the command line tools of XCode without all the other stuff getting in the way

VxJasonxV

:P

I think I know of this great site you can ask that question on.

I think it's called... Ask... Apple?

Kyle Cronin

link?

VxJasonxV

askdifferent.net

the funny thing is that that's technically true :P

but you would know first hand.

Kyle Cronin

yeah it redirects

going through my apps, there's actually quite a few I've decided not to reinstall once I redo my machine

VxJasonxV

Interesting;

itunes.apple.com/us/app/webuploader/id448687892?mt=8#

Of course there's no app store previews on this chat... bwaaaagh

Kyle Cronin

03:57

the biggest one is TextMate. I've been using TextMate since before I even owned a Mac and I was using a hackintosh install on my old Toshiba laptop

but the latest BBEdit is just phenominal and TextMate has basically died

my hope is that by the time the trial runs out I'll be able to buy it

in the same vein, I'm going to also not reinstall Emacs

VxJasonxV

... my git binary disappeared O_o

Kyle Cronin

bummer

just get the latest source and recompile it

or you could just use the GitHub app

@VxJasonxV can you test iStumbler to see if it works?

VxJasonxV

the github app does not let me use git stuff for sites other than github

Kyle Cronin

Tower?

VxJasonxV

I ain't paying for that shit.

Kyle Cronin

04:02

is it really that bad?

VxJasonxV

$ /Applications/GitHub.app/Contents/Resources/git/bin/git --version
git version 1.7.4

I guess I should have figured.

no, I just can't justify >= $50 for something I don't do enough with

Kyle Cronin

yeah, just recompile it

VxJasonxV

iStumbler seems to work swimmingly

Kyle Cronin

nice

VxJasonxV

oh wow

Kyle Cronin

04:04

I remember that the 10.6 update broke it, I wanted to make sure it still worked

VxJasonxV

back to the mac indeed... that icon is a bit familiar

Kyle Cronin

the location icon?

VxJasonxV

yeah

I don't recall explicitly seeing that

Kyle Cronin

yeah, it's not in SL

you know, when Apple was pushing "back to the Mac" I was hoping they'd bring some iOS hardware to the Mac

like GPS and 3G chips

VxJasonxV

:P

Kyle Cronin

04:05

that would have been awesome

VxJasonxV

you know

people do make 3g cards/usb dongles

and probably gps cards too

Kyle Cronin

true, but it's not the same

plus if they added it, they'd probably bake in OS support like iOS has

VxJasonxV

no, it's not. nor is a computer a device you can hold and use easily with just two hands.

Kyle Cronin

maybe they'd even have an ultra-low power standby where you could locate/wipe your mac if you wanted ot

maybe GPS isn't super practical, but I know a lot of people would love to have 3G built in

tethering is nice, but it's not the same

VxJasonxV

to answer your question re: gcc without Xcode, I suggest homebrew, and the 'homebrew-alt' collection

but you still need Xcode in the first place, IIRC

github.com/adamv/homebrew-alt/blob/master/duplicates/gcc.rb

Kyle Cronin

04:09

yeah that looks like some sort of build script

I wonder what would happen if I just installed XCode and deleted the /Developer directory

VxJasonxV

I would be willing to bet that something is hidden down in there.

Kyle Cronin

actually, since I'm going to be wiping this machine either tonight or tomorrow, I'll give it a try

VxJasonxV

Meaning that if you kill /Developer, some binaries even though they're in /usr/bin will mysteriously fail.

Kyle Cronin

I'm testing it now

seems OK so far

although it's very wasteful to install all that just to delete it

VxJasonxV

I'm sure you'll find a way to cope.

Kyle Cronin

04:16

I suppose

anyone notice how the F3 and F4 buttons on the new MBAs have different icons

actually, F3 looks the same but F4 has been changed from dashboard to the new launcher

VxJasonxV

indeed I did not catch that

I think I found a bug

my command-tab is broken. And I suspect that's because I directly closed a full screen app

oh, I think remote desktop is trapping it even in the background. yikes

VxJasonxV

05:06

It's so lonely in here :(.

This is an effective implementation of full screen:

bckbck

09:43

@VxJasonxV What app is that?

bckbck

09:54

Ooh, I just realized that the swag was announced exactly one day ago

has anyone recieved it?

user30

12:33

Getting intermittent errors trying to download XCode again

Odinulf

13:43

I hate the new dashboard - everything else I like. You can't drag stuff onto the desktop! No more iStat Nano for me...

Nathan

@Odinulf You have to use a Terminal command to enable that, I think.

Odinulf

@Nathan I did that, but it doesn't work with the new UI.

Nathan

Works for me...

com.apple.dashboard devmode YES

Odinulf

@Nathan my commands would carry over, correct? I mean, my command for making my hidden apps transparent carried over from Snow Leopard

Nathan

@Odinulf Depends if they made changes to the plist file that you modified.

Odinulf

13:45

Yeah.

Nathan

If they changed it, it got replaced with the new version.

Odinulf

Has anyone else had issues with the new UI in the beginning of using Lion? My install seems slow. Does that change with time?

Nathan

Mine seem fast enough.

Give it a few restarts' time to rebuild caches. That may help.

Odinulf

Yes, perhaps. I have a Mac Pro, which is why it is slightly bizarre that it would occur for me.

It only has 3gb of memory, but it has 2.66 quad core. (Xenon)

I can get up to 32 GB of memory though... :)

Nathan

Hmm. My iMac has 10GB memory and 3.2 two core (4 virtual)

I wonder how much virtual cores help in 10.7

Odinulf

13:49

Cool. I would bet that apple would take advantage of the hardware as best it could. How much was your mac?

Nathan

I got it as a refurb and I've upgraded the memory.

I think it was ~$1500

USD

ManjotSingh

Which is better Unity3d or OpenGl?

Odinulf

They are different.

There is no "better"

Nathan

I bet OpenGL will perform better on an iOS device

Odinulf

Do you mean for iOS 3d programming?

ManjotSingh

13:52

I mean Easy

Odinulf

You would be suprised

UNity

Unity by far.

Oh

Is easier.

ManjotSingh

Ya

I want to make FPS 3d game

Odinulf

What genre?

For that sort of thing I would use the same engine Gears of War uses

let me think of it

Oh, yes. Unreal engine.

ManjotSingh

I don't even know abc of game

Odinulf

What? I'm sorry - I don't understand that.

ManjotSingh

14:03

I mean I am beginner

Odinulf

Oh. Okay.

Can you do 3d modelling?

Because, really, that is essential.

ManjotSingh

No

But I can learn

Could you please guide me?

Odinulf

Well, I like blender, personally.

ManjotSingh

How can I use it in iOS?

Odinulf

So, all in all, I would use: 1) Blender beta for modelling and 2) Unreal or Unity (depending on your Operating System)

You publish it onto iOS, you can't actually create 3d models in iOS

ManjotSingh

14:14

Why?People are making 3d FPS games

Why is modeling required btw?

What would be an approach for iOS 3d FPS game?

Odinulf

No, I mean, you can use the models in iOS, but creation in iOS is impossible , as there is no editor.

Modeling is required because you are making a 3d FPS and unless you want to buy models you must make them yourself.

Well, at least for a commercial game.

Nathan

@ManjotSingh This room isn't really geared towards programming. You might want to try one of the Stack Overflow rooms.

Although, Odinulf seems to have you covered in here :)

Odinulf

I thought about making one once

I researched it and everything - too much work/

Not enough time :)

ManjotSingh

@Odinulf Thank you

Odinulf

No problem.

ManjotSingh

14:22

I'll take care of it @Nathan

Odinulf

Not to say that you can't make one - its just hard.

ManjotSingh

Actually by playing games on my iPhone,I thought it would be difficult but I'll try no issues

Odinulf

14:45

Today is Lion day +1.

bmike

16:12

@Odinulf Indeed - thanks so much for participating here. Have you jumped into Lion yet?

VxJasonxV

17:17

@bckbck Wren.app. $5 on the Mac App Store.

I was being exceedingly sarcastic when I posted that, but it actually makes for a good writing environment. Very pretty.

@bckbck One day ago? I suspect you mean one day ago, last month.

tombull89

17:32

I'm a windows person, but I can't really understand this guy: theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2095898/…

VxJasonxV

It's hip to be a Apple detractor.

oh god the inquirer uses tynt.

"Apple also now has something called "Mission Control", which it's so very proud of, and it allows you to access running programs, much like Task Manager under Windows, and see open documents and web pages."

If Mission Control is "like" the Task Manager. I'll stick with OS X, thanks.

Plus, the task manager doesn't show me open documents and web pages; So frankly, Ian Morris, you're ridiculous.

I like the second paragraph, it's an interesting analysis of the state of video and media. But unfortunately the whole rest of the article sucks... a lot.

There is a "Flame Author" link on this article. Wow :/.

Isn't The Inquirer considered a tabloid?

bmike

18:22

@tombull89 I can't believe I actually rewarded the inquirer with even one click of that apple-baiting headline. TL;DR - apple over charges and under innovates. Author maintains lion is slowly catching up to windows 3.1 since it can't copy features as well or as fast as redmond engineers

Brant

20:00

What's the path to App Store.app?

VxJasonxV

/Applications/App Store.app

Brant

Oh, did they move it?

I thought it was under /System/Library/ somewhere in SL.

VxJasonxV

Couldn't tell you re: SL :).

bmike

20:19

It defaults to the same location on Lion and Snow Leopard - /Applications/App\ Store.app

bckbck

22:25

@VxJasonxV whoops.

VxJasonxV

:)

I hope to come home to see the package in the mail.

Kyle Cronin

it would be nice if they let us know when they were mailing them

bckbck

I come back from school every day and hope to see that package arrive.

Kyle Cronin

I live in a building where packages are kept at the front desk, but the people that run it have a habit of not telling me when I get something

so I don't want to be constantly checking like an idiot, but I also don't want to have it sitting there for days

bckbck

@KyleCronin 6-8 weeks

Kyle Cronin

22:30

@bckbck "6-8 weeks" is an inside joke from when Stack Overflow was being built

its usage here does not provide any information

besides, even if it were accurate, that's a span of 2 weeks

bckbck

@KyleCronin I know, I was using it as a in-joke

Kyle Cronin

I see

I thought maybe you were quoting Jeff meta.apple.stackexchange.com/questions/565/…

bckbck

If you guys haven't received it.....

Kyle Cronin

@bckbck maybe I have and I just don't know

bckbck

I think mine may reach me much much later

Due to where I live

Kyle Cronin

22:37

Singapore, according to your profile

yeah, that's pretty far

VxJasonxV

Singapore, according to chat about a week ago :D.

bckbck

heheheh

And also I live in public housing, where they can't give you your package when not around

Miss the first delivery and they will redeliver for free the second time

Miss the third time and my $30 would be instantly gone

Kyle Cronin

recently I've been thinking about how the idea of having an address is a bit antiquated

it's a bit like the way the phone system used to work with area codes and stuff

where a specific phone number was a specific extension in a specific city in a specific state, etc

nowadays with cell phones and number portability, that doesn't exist

but it still does for addresses

your address corresponds with a specific building in a specific city, etc...

if you want to leave for a month you have to have your mail stopped or have someone check it for you

if you want to move, you have to fill out a form with the post office letting them know your new address so they can forward your mail

why not have a permanent, abstract address?

something like a PO box that's not tied to a specific location

and when the postal service gets something addressed to your abstract address they have a system that identifies where to physically route the item

VxJasonxV

23:00

While I agree whole-heartedly, there's a big difference between an always-connected device phoning home.

And a place that... isn't/doesn't.

Kyle Cronin

23:59

I'm talking more about how people address their letters than about the technical details

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