UX Chat

dhmholley

07:47

Hmm. Gave my bounty to the guy who got himself downvoted to -5 for daring to have a different system of determining ethical behaviour to everyone else.

I feel like he deserves it.

JonW

I still disagree with him, although I think I removed my downvote

dhmholley

To be fair he did deserve a downvote for not explaining himself properly.

I mean, you can't expect to put forward a controversial opinion as a single-line answer and not expect to get downvoted.

Lisa Tweedie

oouu sounds interesting ... will have to have a read (;

dhmholley

08:09

stackexchange is definitely the wrong place to have an extended discussion about philosophy and ethics, which is unfortunate because I think there's an opportunity for a really interesting discussion there

and I refuse to reactivate my quora account

Not sure what else to do with the topic other than write a blog post or something

Sam Hasler

I think there's gap in the market for a site with improved UX for extended discussion/debate

JonW

08:41

there is a philosophy.stackexchange.com site, but that still has the same discussion rules as the rest of SE, but there is probably some interesting stuff on that site around ethics

JonW

08:53

Looks like we've got the new Review tools available on our site now: ux.stackexchange.com/review

dhmholley

I follow philosophy.se, it's quite interesting. A bit too technical for something like this though, considering the UX field appears to have done literally no formal evaluation of its ethical positions.

philosophy.se guys tend to deal with more complex stuff as a rule

@JonW Neat.

JonW

Think you can only do anything with it if you're a 10K user though.

dhmholley

09:12

I used it briefly and did some stuff, it appeared to work

or at least, no indication that it wasn't doing anything

maybe it was sending you guys flags?

Jay

@dhmholley @dhmholley I'd have to agree that this site is probably not the best for extended discussion. There are so many layered arguments and counterarguments with some topics you risk either writing an essay, not doing yourself or the topic justice, or omitting a hole in the argument that someone is bound to run through :). Sometimes briefly touching on some key points as a taster is enough.

oops ... double @

JonW

10:03

@dhmholley Actually it's 2k rep you need, so you're OK (well, I think you need 3k to view the close votes ones)

dhmholley

11:05

Well the Review tool is pretty cool

One thing I'm less sure about - when I mark something as "Not Sure" it appears to disappear entirely.

Ben Brocka

11:17

Any thoughts on this app.net thing?

Since they can't even make a home page right I don't really hold high hopes for their ability to sell "twitter except no one's on it and 0 app integration"

JonW

I saw the news article about app.net making their 500k funding with a few days to spare, but the article didn't say what app.net actually is - aside from it being a chargable twitter service.

Ben Brocka

(ironically one of their selling points is development for their platform, but they're already massively far behind)

That is what it is. And they don't care to say any more about it

JonW

Oh good. Well i'm sold - where to I post my cash?

Ben Brocka

Send $50 directly to their kickstarter!

Also app.net is a laughably awkward name

sounds like some sort of Windows 8 SDK

Also I keep hearing about app.net's "innovation"

does anyone see any innovating on their site/kickstarter?

JonW

11:43

Does using Kickstarter to get funding count as innovative anymore?

It probably was innovative a while ago to do something like that, but not anymore.

Ben Brocka

I'm not sure that counts as "innovative," that's what kickstarter's for

Ben Brocka

12:01

arg this damn review thing needs a convert to comment button

JonW

12:40

@BenBrocka I had a post this morning where half of it had to be converted to a comment and the other half left as an answer. That was quite a logistical nightmare trying to figure out how best to do that.

Ben Brocka

13:05

@dhmholley FYI that "recommend for deletion" thing really works, I think my first 10-20 review items today were stuff you must have recommended for deletion (lots of "this is X, not answer" comments)

This thing is not optimized for mods anymore to say the least. No way to covert to comment/close a post from the view, and doing so doesn't count as a review action either. Close post -> "Looks good" feels wrong

dhmholley

Oh cool. Good to know.

@BenBrocka I'm sure there's lots of feedback.

For one thing, I don't like the way it removes things you've marked as "don't know".

You can't go back to them at all - I'm currently sitting at 0 reviewable items

Ben Brocka

Oh really? I should probably stop clicking that then. I assumed it'd kick it to the back of the queue

JonW

@BenBrocka I would assume that it just takes it off your queue but keeps it in other peoples?

Ben Brocka

13:24

Yeah...but if we only have a few reviewers and we hit not sure on a few of the same posts...suddenly we can't clear 'em

our queue's pretty small though so it's probably not an issue

Not sure what to do with "answers" that answer the (often poor/not constructive) question that just happen to be...really bad ux.stackexchange.com/review-beta/low-quality-posts/92

Guess there's not much to do but downvote/post notice

I've noticed many of these low quality posts are from:
UX Exchange
Early, early posts (not constructive/list stuff)
Icon Requests
Microcopy requests
What's a tool for X

Actually from UX Exchange they usually at least explained their answers. It's more of an issue with the rest

@dhmholley protip: apparently clicking the "review" tab next to history/stats gives you a new review item without removing the current one like Not Sure does (might be the same one, but it seems to be random)

Ben Brocka

13:48

@JonW I think you can convert to comment + undelete and edit the answer. Generally I'd just remove the comment part unless it was a particularly valuable comment and irrelevant to the answer

dhmholley

@BenBrocka Noted

Oh yeah - what do you do with semi-reasonable answers to really bad questions? I've been treating them as within the context of the question so far.

Ben Brocka

@dhmholley same here. If they answer the question, no matter how bad of a question, I leave them...and close the question if necessary/when it's not already closed

though I've been trying to add Insufficient Explanation post notices where appropriate

JonW

14:07

@BenBrocka Yeah, that's all you can really do, but the comment did deserve to stay as a comment in this case. It was this post so the revision history of it is pretty complex now that I've had my way with it.

It doesn't help that I didn't copy all of the comment to the comment, so I had to manually edit the post I'd set as a comment and add more to it.

Ben Brocka

Oh, yes, that was a comment. Though I already berated the other answer saying UI is on topic

In fact we used to be UI.stackexchange. I still see links to the ui subdomain from time to time

Ben Brocka

14:23

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Q: Shouldn't automated translation be optional?

More and more websites use some automated translation into what they think is my language of choice, be that by relying on a browser setting (for which I'm looking for a fix) or worse by geolocation. Even worse, these (usually automated) translations are often both terrible and cannot be switched...

We can make this one constructive, right? I think it's the rantiness that's the problem, there's something interesting there

Ben Brocka

14:48

must not laugh

(note the user)

dhmholley

I think I may be missing context here

Ben Brocka

-1

A: Best way to present toggles for sharing on other social networks?

I think the way Untappd does it when checking into a beer is best. Completely clear.

dhmholley

Yeah, is Whitney Hess someone important? What is Untappd? (I know, I should use Google)

Ben Brocka

15:25

A "rock star" allegedly, haven't heard much/anything from her lately though. No idea what untappd is, the point just is it's a bad answer

dhmholley

ah

Ben Brocka

For those who don't know, the new review interface is live for UX. Go ahead and try it out before me and @dhmholley steal all the posts

dhmholley

may be too late

Unless it's only displaying like that for me because I have been through literally every post.

Ben Brocka

I see 49 left, and I marked some as Not Sure

23 with close votes too

JonW

Loads for me. I better pull my finger out!

dhmholley

15:39

ah, I can see 33 close votes, but the whole section is greyed out

"You need at least 3k reputation to review Close Votes."

JonW

Same rep needed to cast close votes.

Ben Brocka

why the heck do I only see 23 then? I didn't go through that many

JonW

I guess StackExchange values my opinion more than you then.

;)

Splinky

hey

dhmholley

hey :)

Splinky

15:43

i wan't some help to my web app: i'm searching for a good design framework like bootstrap can any one help ??

Ben Brocka

I hate legalese. IMO "the lesser of 50% or $50,000" is a lot more cryptic "50% or $50,000, whichever is lesser"

@Splinky Well, what's not acceptable about bootstrap? Just looking for alternatives? responsive?

Splinky

@BenBrocka i'm using Bootstrap but i wan't better then that

@BenBrocka can you give me some alternatives ?

dhmholley

@Splinky You may be better off asking in webmasters.se

Splinky

ok , but u don't know any one ?

@dhmholley webmasters.se not working

Matt Rockwell

978.gs

for grid system

Ben Brocka

15:55

bootstrap and Zurb's Foundation are the ones I've heard the most of

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'This space intentionally left blank' is less immediately provocative but more Hofstadterially confusing.

Splinky

thx for Zurb's Foundation

it is owsome

JonW

@BenBrocka I love that XKCD oneboxes here

Ben Brocka

Apparently so do wikipedia talk pages

Talk:Stack Overflow

Criticism The criticism entry has been erased from Stack_Exchange and Stack_Exchange_Network several times, although it is heavily founded, several StackOverflow users and sister sites host's are lobbying for it to be erased, please request admin intervention. ::I am surprised there is no criticism section. In my opinion the second highest ranking tag - Java has only ok contributors above 20k score, no stellar, great or notable programmers, no JVM engineers either. Comparing it to C# where some of the .Net designers actively participate indirectly supports bias. That's a personal opin...

(see the crazy!)

JonW

16:12

There are quite a few sites that onebox apparently.

Trello too. Isn't there a UX.SE trello site for the potential UX.SE blog?

dhmholley

There are a few more, imgur does it.

JonW

amazon.com/Accoutrements-12027-Horse-Head-Mask/dp/B003G4IM4S/…

Oh yeah, this could be fun

Ben Brocka

Arg that thing

@JonW yeah

it oneboxes trello cards

new prinny time

Matt Rockwell

17:05

@JonW Thanks, I just bought that mask haha

Ben Brocka

18:42

interesting psychological trick out in the new review system:

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A: New Review System showing deleted answer

This is the other side of this earlier question. We throw some real garbage into the queue as "audit" tasks to catch misuse* of the feature, just handle them normally. *Typically clicking "looks good" or "delete" without reading the post.

Ben Brocka

23:26

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Our Community Blog efforts faltered for a bit; we've got some good people working on some good ideas and a couple ideas ready to go, but it's not enough to start with. I'd like to get back that momentum we started with so we can push through and start this thing (that's the hardest part). So wha...

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