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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body (99): Failed to mount early API file systems, freezing ✏️ by srikanth on askubuntu.com

not dupe

not a dupe of the proposed target

@Natty report askubuntu.com/a/1251147/22949

[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Low Length; No Code Block; Low Rep; 2.5;

Can this question be edited? It seems unclear to me, except it looks like there may have been enough information to answer it.

not no repro, questions have to describe something nonreproducible to be no repro, it's not sufficient that the author hasn't come back and there doesn't happen to be an answer

Also it appears that can be answered based on information given in comments (and the Super User link in one of the comments).

dupe (also quite interesting)

not unclear (see answer)

Do we have something for this?

not off-topic

@EliahKagan I have edited it but I don't think it has helped

seems not dupe, see comments

@EliahKagan that's new to me and the target is nice!

@Zanna I believe we have a number of other questions in which someone mentions that logging out and back in is insufficient, or comments that they had to do a full reboot instead in response to answers advising to log out and back in.

It's new to me too. At least the solution is.

@EliahKagan nice question

@EliahKagan I don't think they mean the GRUB menu, but a GRUB command line (based on the description grub > and the implication that Ubuntu doesn't boot in the title)

so, we have hundreds if not thousands of questions like that, and it can't be answered without further information as requested in the comment

seems to me not opinion-based - Closing a question as opinion-based expresses that it "is likely to be answered with opinions rather than facts and citations." That opinion comes into it in some way, or even that it has (or is likely to have) answers that disagree with one another, is not sufficient; the absence of facts and citations is the problem.

In this case, we needn't guess what the answers will be like, because it's a long-standing question with detailed answers. I think the question could probably use another answer, but I don't think the existing answers are merely or primarily expressions of ungrounded opinions.

@Zanna Yes, the "Minimal bash-like line editing" prompt. I searched for that phrase, but oddly didn't find a canonical question for it.

Maybe I'm recalling the phrasing wrong.

I found some questions that mentioned it but they were dupes of the "How to remove Ubuntu and put Windows back on?" question, which this isn't.

@EliahKagan that question uses "union" in a set theory sense ^_^

@EliahKagan minimal Bash-like line editing is supported :D

that's indeed what it says

@Zanna Yes. :)

Why was this flag declined? askubuntu.com/users/flag-summary/1073514?showDeclined=true It is regarding this answer askubuntu.com/a/339054/1073514

@EliahKagan do you think it is good to close such questions as dupes, rather than asking for more details? I mean I don't think there is a generic fix

@SasukeUchiha I can't see the flag, or even what kind of flag it was, because I'm not a moderator. But I'll edit the answer right now to remove the link, then try to replace the link.

@EliahKagan Yeah, I could have done that myself but I thought a user who does something that inappropriate should have action taken against by mods. I flagged it as inappropriate and it was declined!

At the time the answer was posted, the link was useful and appropriate. Since then, that site is no longer there; presumably the domain lapsed and was purchased by someone else, though I haven't looked at the records to be sure. Now, it redirects to a porn site, whose content is not what people clicking on that link from that answer would expect (and is also not related to the answer). I've edited the answer to replace the link with a Wayback Machine link that shows the correct page.

Ideally the question could be edited again with something that links to current information about the software, if there is anything. If there isn't and the answer is clearly not useful anymore, it could be deleted, but I figured the first step was to fix the link.

@SasukeUchiha did you get a message saying why it was declined?

@Zanna Yes. It is also showed when I try to flag something else

@EliahKagan Yeah agreed

So probably the link isn't the fault of the user?

@SasukeUchiha yes

hmm

@SasukeUchiha Right, as Zanna says it's not the fault of the user. The link was fine when originally posted, and the answer's author was presumably both unaware of and quite uninvolved in any of the events that led to it more recently becoming a redirect to an unrelated porn site. This sort of thing happens from time to time.

Sometimes the effect is actually far worse than it was here; that happens when a post is caused to become spam (sometimes spam for purported products or services that would be extremely harmful to attempt to buy and use). I don't think there's really any good way to prevent this, but it's good to be on the lookout to fix or (where not possible) remove links that have become badly broken.

@SasukeUchiha you mean you see a warning when you try to flag something else as well, about your previously declined flag?

@Zanna yup

@SasukeUchiha That's one of the prewritten messages that moderators can select for declining flags. I'm pretty sure whichever moderator handled your flag wasn't aware of what happened to the link, since if they had been, then I'd expect they would have edited the post (and possibly not declined the flag, but if so, then declined it with a custom message explaining the situation).

@EliahKagan I did put a comment about a link so the mod would see it

@SasukeUchiha mods won't see the comments on the post automatically, I think

@SasukeUchiha Ah, so you did. This--at least picking that decline reason--seems to be a mistake on the part of a mod, then. This mistake may [edit: as Zanna's preceding message mentions] have been triggered or exacerbated by some UI bug in the interface mods use to handle flags; I'm not sure how much information that interface shows up front.

@Zanna I vaguely recall something about that. That seems like a poor design choice.

@SasukeUchiha since all your other flags were fine, no need to worry about this.

@EliahKagan yeah!

@EliahKagan But shouldn't the mod atleaset try to open the link? It is part of the answer after all!

Based on your comment, yes. Otherwise, it may not have occurred to the mod who handled your flag that the flag was about the link. Spam flags on a post with links are usually related to the links; rude/abusive flags more often aren't.

I'm not saying you should've flagged as spam. Editing the post was the best thing to do, but if you're in this situation with a post you cannot edit or even suggest an edit on for some reason, then the best approach would be to write a custom message.

@Zanna When you become mod, pay attention to these details, please 😉😊

@EliahKagan Thanks. Will keep that in mind.

This does seem like a situation where the system sets people up for failure, though. Like, even if for some reason the comments shouldn't be shown, when someone leaves a comment and raises a flag on the post at almost the same time, wouldn't it be helpful for the interface make that clear to mods?

@Zanna When you become a mod, please file many bug reports about the limitations in the mod interface. :)

Though this particular suggstion is something that anyone could post about on Meta Stack Exchange, if it can be confirmed that the interface does not currently have that behavior.

So, we should probably search for other links to that domain on the site. The same situation may have happened with other posts. I will do that now.

@EliahKagan Or a mod should come here and reply

askubuntu.com/review/first-posts/1058121 Should this be a comment? I feel it can stay an answer

"The issue with the metadata in the CUDA repository has been resolved. Run apt-get update and try again" is an answer. It might be worthwhile to make it more prominent, but I'm inclined to think the information about registering to file a bug can stay. I'm not sure what the best way to edit that post is. I don't think it should be deleted or converted to a comment.

going afk for now, bbl

k

oki

@SasukeUchiha That potentially could happen, as some mods are active in this room. But if you're looking for an official response regarding the issue, you may want to post on Ask Ubuntu Meta. (This room is for community moderation, and everyone is welcome to participate, which of course does include elected moderators -- but posting in this room isn't a way to request that a moderator look into something.)

@EliahKagan Yeah. I know. That was a joke. I think I will post in meta anyway...

:)

@EliahKagan It appears there are 19 posts affected by how gtk-apps.org has ceased to point to the old site and instead become a redirect to a porn site. I'll look into whether there is a new domain, then replace them either with links to the new domain (if there is one) or to the Wayback Machine (or for any that aren't archived either, just removing them).

Even though this is imperfect, in that one ideally makes as many suitable improvements to a post as possible when editing--I think it's justified to fix this sooner rather than later. (If there were thousands of posts then I wouldn't try to edit them all myself, but 19 is a fairly modest number.)

Ah, good. This problem has been encountered in the Ubuntu community before and a solution found. Prior to becoming a redirect to an unrelated porn site, gtk-apps.org was a redirect to linux-apps.com, which still works. (Here's a translation for those who prefer English to French.)

I'll edit all 19 posts to make that change right now (and I'll test each URL to make sure it works and doesn't give any other big surprises).

Nice. You are truely dedicated to help people

How did you find those 19 posts?

I am not a tech geek but I would like to learn.

The search box supports url:, so I searched for:

url:gtk-apps.org

That returned askubuntu.com/search?q=url%3Agtk-apps.org. (There may be fewer than 19 results shown there, since they will disappear pretty quickly after being edited.)

oh lol

@ByteCommander @jokerdino @ThomasWard Please read above

@EliahKagan Want me to help?

Oh too many edits. LOL

It is a real pain when you are reviewing. Out of edits!

Probably not necessary to chat-ping multiple moderators about this.

OTOH I'm soon probably going to ping like ten people in here to get feedback about if they want Smoke Detector reports from experimental detections to appear in this room [though only one of those people is a mod :)]. So perhaps I'm not the one to be talking. :)

@SasukeUchiha It's no problem, I'm mostly through. Searching for and dealing with comments with the old URL in them is going to be the more interesting part...

@EliahKagan What the? 😂😅

I pinged them to ask about the comment thing.

Well I suppose I could have waited until Zanna is mod but patience is not my strong point

I can't say for sure because I don't know what kind of reply you're looking for, but I suspect Ask Ubuntu Meta may be the best place for that. You don't have to wait, any mod can respond, it probably won't get lost or forgotten about (meta is low volume). There are a number of questions posted on Ask Ubuntu Meta about declined flags.

In general I'd say that, for raising issues with moderators as a group about concerns, in cases where there's no need to discuss it privately and you don't wish to flag or where no flag is appropraiate, Ask Ubuntu Meta is generally the best way.

With flags and meta posts, any mod can respond, and the flag sticks around in the mod queue (and the post sticks around on the meta site) so if a mod plans to reply but doesn't, it doesn't get lost. With chat pings, at least when a moderators isn't in the room, it can be less convenient.

(In a situation where you needed/wanted to discuss something privately with a moderator, that's different. Flags are private, but meta posts aren't. Also, unlike regular users, moderators have the ability to create private chat rooms for use in discussing sensitive or potentially sensitive issues.)

So you suggest to make a meta post and flag it?

No.

If you post on meta, mods (and various other interested members of the community) will see it.

What was that about flags sticking around? Sorry I didn't understand. Trying not to sound offensive. 😃

Good morning

Hi

Good morning!

@EliahKagan There's no need to flag a meta post, unless there's something about the meta post itself that requires mod attention (or, far more rarely, something requires mod attention and flagging a meta post is the only way--for example if there were a serious problem with the content of a user's profile that required moderator attention, you could raise a custom flag on one of the user's posts with an explanation, and if they only had posts on meta, you could raise the flag on one of those).

Ah. Thanks. Like I said before, still new and learning.

Only joined Ask Ubuntu start of May

was summoned

is there a TL;DR, or where do I need to start reading?

From where I first posted. chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/54699135#54699135

@SasukeUchiha No need to worry--you're not sounding offensive or anything! I just meant that when you raise a custom moderator attention flag on a post, that flag goes into a queue of moderator flags. While it is in the queue, all mods will see it when going to review flags. Until it's handled, it will remain in the queue where mods can see it. Only once it's handled will it leave the queue.

Ah nice. Thanks @EliahKagan

Anyway, I'm editing the last of the posts (with the URLs that have become porn redirects) now.

Ah, it's pretty much all done. Just this and that of your suggested edits still require a second review.

Ah well now that @ByteCommander is here, I may not have to post a meta. I know that the mods didn't reject it on purpose but merely didn't notice the problem. What I want to know is CAN MODS SEE COMMENTS IN FLAGGED POSTS?

@EliahKagan 👍

@SasukeUchiha yes and no. by default, comments are hidden, but can be expanded in the view.

@ByteCommander Hmm. So, do you guys usually read the comments if you can't make sense of the flag?

However, the post itself looked good and harmless, and so did the link. From a rude/abusive flag, it's nearly impossible to conclude that a link in a years old answer suddenly turned bad now

Sure, whoever handled this flag could (should?) have looked into more detail, but the volume of flags that pile up compared to the number of mods who are currently active is high, so it's not really feasible to spend too much time on each item

@EliahKagan Edits approved. (The other, now the only post in those results, will continue to match the search term url:gtk-apps.org because that text still appears in the URL, but it links to the Wayback Machine. An updated URL isn't available for that one, or at least I couldn't find it. This is a different post than the first one, which edited a second time to point to linux-apps.com like the others.)

Anyway r/a was definitely an unfitting and misleading flag to pick. R/A is for offensive posts or keyboard mash garbage. If you had flagged as spam, more attention would have been drawn to the link at least, but the best action in such a situation is to raise a custom flag, with the explanation right there in the flag text.

Because yeah, comments are not obvious in the flag handling dialog

The clearer and more detailed your report is, the easier, faster and more correct we can handle it

So yeah, when in doubt, rather raise a custom flag, if the standard flag text alone doesn't describe the issue with the post well enough.

Thanks for flagging and following up though anyway, and sorry for the confusion and inconvenience on behalf of the team.

[ Natty | Sentinel ] software-recommendation What are the alternatives to Notepad++ on Ubuntu? By: John 3.5;

Ah. I see. Ok thanks. Well you will get more mods soon. :) And no problem. You guys work so hard to do your job. Thank you for that. I will keep your advice in mind.

@EliahKagan we can certainly see [name of flagger] added a comment or whatever other action did by them

Cool :)

@jokerdino Ah. Cool--so my feature request would effectively be for a feature that already exists. Does this show up in the flag queue UI even when comments aren't expanded?

@jokerdino That's good. That should (I think it is intended for) make the mod check out that action.

@EliahKagan we can expand the answer or the comments if need be

it's a lot more robust than it used to be.

So if I had commented on the question as well as downvoting it and voting to delete it, it would also have mentioned that?

@EliahKagan I would think so

....Wait a minute, I thought mods couldn't see individual votes! :) :) :)

yeah, there would be a small grey hint

only if you didn't flag it

going back to work then. bye o/

Bye!

cya

Cya

I'm already at my work bench

@EliahKagan Well they are mods. :P

We have four comments that link to gtk-apps.org. They all appear to provide value--or would, if the link had not become very badly broken. Should those be custom-flagged?

I can edit them?

Sounds good. I'm not sure if, if I flag them, that will make it easier or harder. That's why I'm asking.

can I get the replace text somewhere so I can C+P?

Yes. I'll provide it here in messages. Thanks!

That one's tricky; it's not available on linux-apps.com as most are. I used web.archive.org/web/20150907070609/http://gtk-apps.org/content/… (and had it display the shorter text "OMG ! XFCE Global Menu [PPA Ready]") in an edit. Did you want full text of the changed comments, or just the changed URLs?

URL would be good enough

For this second one, the good URL is: linux-apps.com/content/show.php/…

@EliahKagan fixed second one

This third one is the same URL as the first one so it can be replaced with the same URL as that: web.archive.org/web/20150907070609/http://gtk-apps.org/content/…

Thanks.

For the fourth one, the good URL is: linux-apps.com/content/show.php/…

I believe I have edited them all now

hopefully I did not mismatch.

Hopefully I did not mismatch in the URLs I gave. :)

I will check through them all now.

Thank you for sanity-check.

I've checked all four. They look correct (and rightly matched). Thanks!

This reminds me of something from a while back that I'd meant to check on then never did. I totally forgot about it until just now. A major contributor's blog domain ended up expiring and being bought by spammers; all the posts that linked to it with old URLs were edited, but I don't remember what happened with the comments. I think there was a post on meta. I'll check.

Here it is. The comments still exist. It looks like there's over 70 of them. I'm not sure what, if anything, should be done. Unlike the situation at that time, it looks like most of the URLs in comments might redirect to 404 pages (or similar) instead of to spammy stuff. I say "might" because I've only just checked the first 5 or so.

[ Natty | Sentinel ] upgrade Mouse and Keyboard (over KVM switch) stopped working after Upgrade to Ubuntu 20.04 LTS By: Mike Lepore 3.5;

@EliahKagan I'm looking at them at data.stackexchange.com/askubuntu/query/713318/… which was provided in one of the answers.

The URLs for the blog subdomain just don't resolve, so that's no problem (beyond being a broken link). There are 39 others though; I'm not sure how many of them go to anything.

delete them?

Unless they are super helpful

Many could probably be removed.

For the ones that aren't harmful, I'm not sure what should be done, as some of them may be valuable separately from the links.

It's possible to fix the broken links, but whether or not this is considered to be worthwhile I don't know. I'm not sure where the threshold is/should be set for how often, and in what situations, mods should edit comments. (But if it's judged appropriate and worthwhile for them to be edited, I'm willing to find, test, and supply fixed links.)

BTW, are questions tagged [19.04] still supported in Ask Ubuntu?

@SasukeUchiha Depends on context and date of posting

I should have probably put that in the genera room

Ah Hi kulfy

@SasukeUchiha Newly asked questions about unsupported releases, such as 19.04, are off-topic, unless they are about upgrading to a supported release. Old questions about unsupported releases do not retroactively become off-topic. Questions tagged 19.04 may be on-topic or off-topic for various reasons, just like any question; the presence of the tag doesn't decide it.

I think new questions that are tagged 19.04 are mostly going to fit into four situations:

(1) Not about 19.04 at all, so the tag should be removed.

@EliahKagan what is necessary and required will/should be done

@EliahKagan (2) Relate to 19.04 but also are about (or also about) a supported release, in which case the question may be on-topic, and the tag should possibly be removed, depending on how important 19.04 is to the question.

(3) Are about upgrading from 19.04, in which case the tag should probably stay, and the question is on-topic, though likely a duplicate, often (but not always) of How to install software or upgrade from an old unsupported release?.

(4) Are about 19.04 but not about upgrading, in which case, since they were asked after 19.04 stopped being supported (i.e., since they were asked now), they're off-topic (and the tag shouldn't be removed).

@jokerdino I guess I should try to figure out what should be done. :)

Thanks for that explanation

No problem.

@EliahKagan Yeah borderline case

[ Natty | Sentinel ] networking Kubuntu, keeps asking for my WiFi password and IP address seems to change often, also can't share screen on discord By: John 4.0;

@Natty (unrelated to above pings) I'm not sure. Maybe this is ne and should be edited. It seems to be advising to check for that and set it to connect automatically if it isn't currently, and this seems intended as a solution to the problem.

@Kulfy Should it be edited and flagged for undeletion?

This is a partial answer since Nvidia graphics aren't still working. I'm not sure here

seems naa. This is a comment to the other answer

Yeah, that's straightforwardly NAA.

@Natty report askubuntu.com/a/1251774/22949

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I wonder who upvoted that

@EliahKagan :O

@EliahKagan @jokerdino wow great work

Thanks!

:) :)

@EliahKagan let me know if I can help with this...

Yes.

@SasukeUchiha it is very much on topic in this room:)

@EliahKagan seems like it could help

It's at least a partial solution to the problem in the question, right?

@Zanna the way I have edited this post, making the text on the screen a code block, may make it harder to find in searches?

@EliahKagan yes, looks like it to me

Do you feel like posting an answer want to edit/flag it?

@Zanna this is a real question. I think I am more reluctant, possibly much more reluctant than average to close things as duplicates, but maybe I need to radically change my thinking

@EliahKagan :D

I'll try that

@Zanna I don't know.

I think if there's a general question for this problem with solutions that almost always work, then that question should be duped to it. I don't know that this speaks to the question of whether most closures to canonical questions, in cases where closure as unclear might be appropriate, are a good idea.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (94): How to create a manpage? by Computer Freedom on askubuntu.com

^^^ This the other answer on the post linked by Sasuke earlier in the chat.

@Natty report askubuntu.com/a/1251095/22949

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I have edited that answer and flagged it for mod attention

Thanks!

The edit looks quite good.

thanks for suggesting it

No problem.

It was... nothing really. :)

@EliahKagan I would agree with closing against such a question... do you think that there could be such a question if there isn't one (which there may well be)?

maybe it's not productive to keep discussing this topic!

we have so many questions like that though

I think there is one and I just didn't find it.

@Zanna How so?

I just mean I feel that I am going on and on about it hahaa

I mean, even to answer my question about why it might not be productive, you'd be discussing it, so if you don't want to answer it, that's fine, but I don't see why it wouldn't be productive to discuss it.

that's good then :)

At the risk of expanding the topic further in a direction that may or may not be productive... The only situation I know of where I think we strongly disagree about duplicate closures is when people post duplicates of their own questions. I'd meant to reply at the time but never got around to it; your suggestion that you may be especially reluctant to close questions as duplicates has reminded me of it.

so, I should vote to close those duplicate re-posted questions as... duplicates? :)

I believe you should, yes. At least when no other close reason applies.

I don't think custom off-topic (now "community-specific") close reasons should be used to cover situations that unambiguously fall into one of the existing close reasons.

ah I guess that when no other close reason applies, then my worry about those questions surviving is not necessary

There may be a situation that is so weird that the best thing to do is close with a custom reason that falls within an existing close reason, but I don't think making it easier to delete a question that is hard to delete because people on Ask Ubuntu don't vote enough is a good reason.

what bothers me is that the question may be horribly off topic, but the reposted version gets closed as a duplicate and survives forever even though it is horribly off topic

Well, I don't think your worry about those questions surviving is unfounded. Rather, I think it should be addressed by convincing people on this site to use their votes more often.

:D yes

thanks for bringing that up!

No problem. I don't expect you'll necessarily agree with me of course.

I will stop using custom close reasons for that purpose

However, if it could not be addressed by urging people to vote more (both up and down, where appropriate), I still would be against closing question with custom off-topic reasons to circumvent the way the system treats duplicates. (And also looking for some other way to address it, perhaps.)

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching product name in body, pattern-matching product name in title (491): What Is Vital Alpha Testo In Canada? by bouazan3 on askubuntu.com

Thanks! I hope this won't come across as beating a dead horse (though that is surely better than beating a live horse, which is perhaps a limitation of the metaphor!) but I want to mention my reasoning for not liking the overuse of custom close reasons. It is not specific to the particular kind of case with duplicates that we'd been talking about.

yes?

(Sorry, typing, and also distracted by unrelated matters.)

My main concern is that it makes it hard to reason about whether there exists a consensus that would support the closure, and also sometimes has the effect of discouraging people from reasoning about that.

But also, and I am not really sure about how common this is, but I've observed a number of custom close reasons that cover the same ground as an existing close reason but that are worded in ways that are likely to be perceived as hostile, sometimes even to the point that they would be seen as rude by a disinterested third party.

This is not a problem that I've ever seen in your use of custom close reasons, but it does motivate me to think that it might not be good to encourage the use of (or: to build a culture of using) custom close reasons for posts that fit an existing reason well but are perceived as being flawed in a special way that warrants being called out. (However, I do support the VLQ flag for questions that truly qualify for it.)

@EliahKagan no worries, I just though I possibly ought to provide encouragement, given the suffering horse

:)

I find I almost never want to use custom close reasons

the other case when I do, is when the question is cross-posted, and there is nothing else wrong with it

but I am not sure whether or how we are supposed to close cross-posted questions

cross-posting sometimes seems to be a good thing

but maybe if everyone was routinely doing it, I would become sure that it was a bad thing to do

@EliahKagan that makes sense

I agree with using a custom close reason for a cross-posted question that has nothing else wrong with it and where there the situation doesn't offer special reason to avoid closing it. I'm not sure what the policy should be as far as that is concerned, but I think the current consensus supports closing unanswered cross-posted questions in cases where the OP prefers that the question be kept open on the other site.

The current consensus may or may not support even more aggressive closure of cross-posted questions, but the case where there aren't answers to be lost is the one I'm comfortable with personally adding my close votes to (or personally casting the first close vote for). And I think it's better to use a custom reason than to shoehorn it into a reason that doesn't apply.

I am thinking the same as you on that, then

I write something like, "I am voting to close this question as it was cross posted on [site], but it would otherwise be on topic here"

One thought I have about the stuck at GRUB command line questions (and other boot questions) (this situation happened to me twice in the last week or so) is that the pastebin links for boot-repair info etc expire after some time. So sometimes the question might have sufficient information and then later become unclear. Although one would hope that answers would contain enough explanation about the problem to avoid that happening

seems dupe

OT. Chrubuntu is not Ubuntu.

@Kulfy tomorrow, it will be deleted I think?

@Zanna Would the entire output of Boot-Repair fit in a single message in these situations? Code blocks get vertical scrollbars, so skipping it shouldn't be too bad. (One possible issue: I don't know how that works with a screen reader. My guess is that it is possible to skip the whole code block if one wants, rather than listen to it be read out... which I think might be done letter-by-letter on default settings. I really need to try this out for myself.)

seems dupe

@jokerdino Yes :)

@Zanna My cross-post I mean post on at least one other Stack Exchange site. I'm pretty sure we mean the same thing, but there's some ambiguity about what "cross-post" means, and it's potentially related to the question of whether cross-posted questions are actually harmful.

I've heard this should really be called multi-posting; in the setting of email listservs, there's an important distinction (cross-posting is posting via a mechanism that places the same message on multiple lists) but I'm not sure there's anything wrong with calling it cross-posting, and that's what I usually call it (though in comments on cross-posted questions, I usually describe it, rather than using a phrase that might not be understood).

But that actually has nothing to do with the ambiguity and I possibly shouldn't have even mentioned that.

Rather, cross-posting is only against the rules of SE when something is posted on multiple SE sites. Posting something outside of SE and also on one SE site is fine, as far as SE is concerned.

unclear No hardware details given.

IMO cross-posting is fine unless OP abandons the question on other site after getting an answer.

Downvoting unclear abandoned questions are really affecting my ratio of upvotes and downvotes :|

From your :| I take it that you would prefer that ratio be high?

@Kulfy what's wrong with it?

@EliahKagan if it can possibly be added, I add it. In the past I would use html tags instead of indentation to save on characters, and now we can use code fences, but often it is still too long

Have you seen Eric L's ratio?

seems unclear No display details are given.

I would even resort to removing hyphens used as underlining and section separators and other unnecessary bits of the output if that would squeeze it in

but still I could not fit it in in many cases

@EliahKagan Sometimes I out of votes just by downvoting (cc @jokerdino)

It'll be great if I have upvotes>downvotes :)

@Kulfy do you not want to be the forefront of the site?

@jokerdino Nope.

At least you get 40 votes instead of 30 since you're voting on enough questions. :)

This is Eric L.

@EliahKagan yes... I doubt very much I would ever know if something got cross posted outside SE!

@jokerdino I don't think it really matter. :)

All Erics like downvoting more.

the reason I said cross-posting sometimes seems good is that sometimes you get a different type of insight on another site - the same question can have a whole different relevance to another community

:*Go Erics Go*:

6 year old paste :O

For example, this question was also posted on Graphic Design

@Zanna Like this?

I'm not sure what the best balance is; it could well be that the current balance is not good, and that it would be better to have a policy that permitted cross-posting (or permitted it under some circumstances).

@Zanna Yes. Having materially the same question on multiple sites can be quite good. We just don't want the same person to post both. So it's a balance between the advantages of having multiple SE communities contribute different kinds of answers to the same question, and lots of copies of a question with presumably less OP engagement and less coordination of efforts to improve the question.

@jokerdino haha idk about that

Is the breakdown of how many upvotes vs. downvotes someone cast on questions vs. answers available?

Actually, is this even available for oneself? Like, can I get that information about my own votes?

The question is on topic because OP was using Ubuntu when having the question.

how do I open a can with Ubuntu?

We should have something for this. If not one more downvote will make it deletable.

@EliahKagan that's a good summary of the issues

@EliahKagan might be available through API

the apps have to show you have voted on posts

Should it be closed against the canonical Broadcom wireless question?

@Zanna very carefully

XD

@EliahKagan data.stackexchange.com/askubuntu/query/1249028?UserId=22949

@Kulfy Right, but that's the same information available in users' profiles. I'm talking about knowing how many upvotes I've cast on questions, how many downvotes I've cast on questions, how many upvotes I've cast on answers, and how many downvotes I've cast on answers.

@Zanna Do a lot of people ask that?

If so, they can all be closed as duplicates of the same can-onical question.

@EliahKagan The user profile doesn't show downvotes on deleted posts. For example, my profile shows I have cast 294 downvotes but in reality I have about 1k.

The count on the summary page (under "Votes cast") includes them.

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I overlooked that. :D

@Natty tp

askubuntu.com/users/22949/eliah-kagan?tab=votes tells me I have 883 downvotes, but the bottom of askubuntu.com/users/22949/eliah-kagan?tab=summary shows 9,729.

@Natty tp

I'm curious how many of those downvotes of mine (the bigger count) are on answers vs. questions.

Eric has 30k downvotes :O

(unrelated) unclear

@EliahKagan this is because it only shows non-deleted posts, I think?

Yes.

oh oops sorry

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I retitled this question, but maybe the title is not good. It seems the problem was caused by an attempt to replace Python 2 with Python 3.

I think Terminal shouldn't be affected if they are using 18.04, given that Python 2 isn't installed by default in that.

OT

@Kulfy I think what's happening is that something in .bashrc or that is sourced by .bashrc that used python (and requires it to be Python 2) has broken in such a way as to cause new interactive shells to exit.

@EliahKagan the title seems OK to me

I would revisit it if the question gets answers that make it clearer what title would best serve...

@EliahKagan I'm not sure the underlying issue. But if that occured after they changed Python, it's definitely related to that. Also, IIRC Terminator used to be dependent on Python 2 even in 18.04.

@Kulfy I realize I should've voted to close it as a duplicate of this question (which I recently answered) instead of the more general one.

There's also a question like "Terminal and other apps don't work after upgrading Python" which I'm unable to find now.

It's not that one?

This is also a good dupe target but I can't find the other one.

oh damn, didn't even check the tags before voting

we can add the other one when you find it...

(very related) This answer is underappreciated, for the reasons I've detailed in the section I just added to the top of my own answer there. Even if it is accepted, it will appear below mine if its score remains lower, as it's a self-answer.

Perhaps I should delete my answer, but I do think it could be valuable to people who find that question. In addition to upvoting the OP's answer (which I expect won't get enough upvotes since it's admittedly not a complete description of the solution... though it may be sufficient), I'm almost tempted to suggest that people downvote my answer.

This is a fairly good heuristic indicator that I should delete the answer, since one should not usually keep around a non-meta answer that one feels is doing harm. But I also feel that it's a high-quality answer that appropriately addresses the situation as originally described, which is a situation that is likely experienced by others. I don't know what to do. I can't tell if the reason I feel the answer should exist is simply that I like it, or if it really is still justified on that question.

Anyway, the two questions are extremely similar, and the question I answered turned out to have involved more than editing ~/.bashrc; also, the terminal was made to work again possibly without fixing ~/.bashrc. My hope is that our recent dupe closure is still correct. One of the answers (or both taken together) may well solve the problem for the OP of the new question.

don't delete your answer!

(lunch break time)

I will not rush to delete it.

I will hopefully not ever delete it.

:)

Though this answer won't directly help that OP, will it?

In the recent question, python was Python 2. Reinstalling python3-minimal won't restore Python 2.

Is it appropriate to edit the older question's self-answer to add information about that? I'm not sure. Maybe it needs a third answer. Or to be closed as a duplicate of something. Or for the recently duped question to be reopened. @Kulfy Do you remember any specific details about the better dupe target you had been thinking of?

@Zanna I see the answer was undeleted. Thanks again! In light of your edit, this comment is no longer needed.

@EliahKagan I think it's okay to delete that at any time.

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@Natty tp

What do you do for answers in other languages? I edited to add a translation (which may or may not be accurate) and added a comment. askubuntu.com/review/first-posts/1058267

@Daniil Ok then. That was my 1st

@Daniil I saw that but only read the top part. See my comment

BTW, totally unrelated, what does my profile pic looks like to you guys?! I have had many people giving it very different interpretations. 😅

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This post was converted to a comment, but the comment was placed on the question (where it doesn't make sense) rather than on the other answer (where it does). Is it worth flagging the post to ask that this be fixed?

@Kulfy My gut instinct turned out to be right. OP made some edits to the question too.

Reopening and closing against the canonical target would theoretically be the right course of action here, but I would suggest leaving it closed and perhaps deleting it later.

Although OP says the other question "almost" answers it, I'm almost sure it's just a figure of speech. :D Following the canonical question correctly would almost surely solve the problem.

@EliahKagan (unrelated to above) Does the comment add any value at all? Maybe no-longer-needed?

@Kulfy (unrelated) Kinda, the root directory in Ubuntu Touch is/was not writeable by design, one is not supposed to use apt like this at all. So it's not a bug or a error, it's the expected behaviour. The answer should really contain a warning or a caveat. I would add popey's comment to the answer.

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OT Pop!_OS

@Natty fp

dupe

seems ok!

@EliahKagan nice :) the comment was automagically deleted by my flag

@EliahKagan I wrote a custom flag for it as it did seem to me to have some value as a comment on the other answer. Good catch!

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