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1:11 AM
@EliahKagan hmm, no I don't think it is
Voted to reopen
 
 
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3:06 AM
Dupe, though there might be a better target.
OT no repro (or OT bug maybe)
 
3:41 AM
Something that comes up from time to time is that people expect piping to a command to supply its arguments. Do we have anything for that? How can I direct a pipe input to ls command? and Why can't I pipe into cd? might be duplicate of such a question, or if not may merit comments linking them to it.
 
4:14 AM
Currently unclear but not a dupe (at least not of the proposed $PS1 question), see comments.
I'm perhaps biased because I wrote the answer, but I don't think this currently deleted duplicate question should be deleted. I think it may be a useful signpost, and I also think my answer has value.
With that said, the question is bad, and in my answer I deliberately interpreted the question in a way that I think is quite reasonable and possibly even fully in line with the OP's intent, but possibly not. Unlike some (unfortunately...many) deletions of duplicates with answers that I complain about here, I don't believe it was actually unreasonable or against any official guidance for that question to be deleted. I just think it would be somewhat better for it not to be deleted.
 
4:32 AM
@EliahKagan I'll wait for a while to see if the OP replies to your comment. If he doesn't reply to your comment in a reasonable period of time, I'll CV the question as unclear if you pm me in about it in chat.
 
Okay.
I'll also try and let you know if it ends up getting closed as a duplicate (without new information to support a dupe closure).
 
5:35 AM
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6:34 AM
@EliahKagan I like the target question, but the answers could be better
In particular I don't think they answer the dupe very clearly
Where is .bashrc? Use nano!
 
6:57 AM
@EliahKagan undeleted
Related to that, I think the second comment on this answer shows how the U&L community can be more hospitable than ours in some ways, and ways which I think are very good
 
7:35 AM
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8:07 AM
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8:58 AM
@EliahKagan I CVd this question as a duplicate of Python script that runs in Windows throws “<string>” error in Ubuntu because your answer answers it exactly. OTOH the title of the newer question is more general, therefore it's a better signpost question. Maybe we should have both questions open. If you decide to answer it, please pm me in chat with your review recommendation.
 
I just posted an answer. I was writing an answer when you commented.
 
 
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10:26 AM
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12:22 PM
@Natty tp
 
1:27 PM
I don't think this question is answerable without input from the OP
 
1:43 PM
@Zanna VTC'd unclear
 
thanks :)
 
It's quite plausible that the OP could improve one or both (they may or may not be attempting to ask the same thing) such that it could be reopened. I definitely would not advocate reopening either question as they stand, but the duplicate closure may not really have been the best close reason, either.
It's only in situations where the OP improving the question (to the point where reopening might be justifiable) is implausible (or, in my opinion, where it's unlikely and the post is actually harmful in some way, though even that might be going too far) that it makes sense to delete questions in the first 48 hours after closure, which is why only 20k users have that privilege (whereas only 10k is required to deleted other closed questions).
 
yeah, those questions are potentially salvageable and not evil in any significant way
 
Yeah.
If they get undeleted very soon (like in the next hour), then I'd be willing to cast delete votes on them, perhaps even tomorrow. Otherwise, I'd be willing to cast delete votes on them later: a full 48 hours after they're undeleted, or perhaps a little more if the OP hasn't visited the site during that time (though they may be gone by then since 10k users will be able to delete them before that). People should feel free to ping me about that.
But right now I don't think they should have been deleted and I think they should just be undeleted. I've voted to do so.
 
1:56 PM
(Usually I don't vote to delete duplicates at all. But in this case, if the questions aren't edited, I think they will be very low-value dupes.)
@Natty tp
Seems unclear, though maybe there's something in GNOME that I just don't know about? (It's not a very well-asked question either way, as it stands.)
I'm hoping that, as Ask Ubuntu gradually gets more 20k users, the urge to cast delete votes early because it might take a while for the rest of the votes to come in will be lessened. On the other hand, it could also go the other way.
 
2:34 PM
yeah :/
 
@Zanna Is it even possible?
 
2:50 PM
unclear (see comments)
 
@Kulfy I don't think they still have that problem now
:)
 
That's a clever answer xD
1 vote needed. It's out of the queue and votes might age away.
 
Sorry about voting to dupe that.
Anyway, I had voted to reopen it earlier (and I believe my vote is one of the four active ones), so I can't cast the fifth vote that's needed now.
 
No problem. May be I should ask on AUGR.
 
Seems reasonable. You may want to explain why it should be reopened. (Based on the reviews from the queue, this might not be clear, and there isn't a comment addressing it.)
 
3:05 PM
I remember Fabby asked me for the reason. I posted there and convinced him like a pro
 
I think it's not really an answer to what was asked there at all.
@Kulfy It's reopened now.
Is this question answerable, as written?
 
I'm not sure if that should be considered an answer or not. The question doesn't say anything about what the actual speeds were, nor did it give any other information that would make it possible to judge if they were reasonable. That usually leads to such answers.
 
yeah, the question is unclear too
 
@EliahKagan Yeah I saw. karel edited after reopening.
 
3:30 PM
Does that have answers that recommend something the OP hasn't already tried and that's likely to work?
 
@EliahKagan There ain't much evidence what OP have tried apart from -f. It seems --force-overwrite is the only last resort left.
 
3:47 PM
I think this question is unclear, though if it turns out to be something that can be answered by listing out several possible meanings and showing that they are the overwhelmingly most common (with Google search results or some other concordance-like method) then I'd reconsider. More likely, the OP may edit and clarify it, in which case close votes can be retracted or it can be reopened.
We must have something for automatic syncing to Google Drive, right?
Ah, Is there a Google Drive client available? Likely they saw that and had trouble. But it's still a duplicate of it, as currently written. I'll comment to suggest an edit if that question doesn't help them.
 
> Ubuntu Release 12.04 (precise) 64-bit
no wonder the package system is broken
 
@EliahKagan I've commented and voted to close.
@Zanna But that was still supported in late 2015 when the question was asked.
 
@Zanna I'm not sure what this would tell us.
 
Or am I looking at the wrong question?
 
I wonder why apt is fetching beta versions.
 
3:57 PM
my bad, I didn't see that the question was old
sorry
@EliahKagan hmm... it looks to me like this question has nothing to do with Ubuntu
unless I'm confused about what they are asking, which is likely
 
@Zanna Could be unrealted to Ubuntu. The second comment covers that. My first comment was basically just the link. As I was editing it the second comment was posted. I included some stuff to direct them somewhere that seemed appropriate based on that reading, which I do think is plausible. You may want to uptick the second comment (the one not by me) and vote to close as off-topic or as unclear.
@Kulfy The shallow answer is that both the originally released package versions for Kerberos packages in 12.04 LTS, and those provided to 12.04 LTS in updates (including security updates), had "beta" in their version strings. (packages.ubuntu.com doesn't show 12.04 LTS anymore, but launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/krb5 still does.)
 
I mean I don't think they are looking for a Google Drive client. Rather they want Google Drive to look more like their file manager on WIndows
 
Yes, you are right. It should receive its fifth close vote as an off-topic vote:
I don't know what Ubuntu even is... I ask the question on Google and it sent me to Ubuntu and the Ubuntu asked me to ask my question. — Richard Larsen 1 min ago
It's closed with the right reason (off-topic).
is greatly relieved
So that would be an example of a question that would be reasonable to delete even before 48 hours have passed. :)
@EliahKagan I wonder how often that (I mean, that subjective experience) happens. Is that why we get so many questions about non-Ubuntu operating systems?
 
@Natty tp
 
4:38 PM
Has anyone made a dupe dag visualizer stackapp?
(I've searched and not found anything, but that doesn't mean there isn't anything.)
 
4:53 PM
@EliahKagan I suspect so, yes
 
5:11 PM
Currently, people have to create accounts to post questions on AU. Are there any numbers (or other evidence) that would shed light on whether that's helping? I'm inclined to think its hurting by making it so there's more stuff people have to do that has nothing to do with what they want to ask about, in order to ask a question.
It seems to me that the additional burden would function as a distraction from things like the blurb that appears on the question-asking page about which mentions that questions should have to do with Ubuntu (and, later, links to the help).
People who aren't using Ubuntu find answers on Ask Ubuntu that help with problems on a variety of operating systems (maybe plus some more that don't but seem like they do or might). It sounds silly, but I think it's probably easy for people with next to no experience with the site to forget that they should only ask questions that have something to do with Ubuntu.
Also there is the matter that a large fraction of experienced users on the site don't seem to know what is and isn't considered to be about Ubuntu (and what the gray areas are) and cheerfully advise newcomers that whatever they (the experienced user) feel is probably the rule actually is, without checking at all, much less providing links to the help, tour, site meta, network meta, or anywhere else that might be relevant to policy.
 
yeah :/
 
Is this expansion of the post warranted?
 
5:33 PM
Can this author flag their now-OK post? Or do they need some rep for that? Should we wait to custom flag it?
Another option would be to do an edit on the post (the code formatting could be improved, for instance) and include flagging instructions in the edit summary. I've done that before, on posts by users with more rep. But it would be bad if those instructions were wrong, because they'd have no way to indicate that.
 
@EliahKagan IMO that's an improvement. It is adding additional commands which might be helpful. I approved that.
 
Okay.
Why is this question off-topic?
 
@EliahKagan can't see any reason :/
 
This comment is superfluous except the part that wrongly states that we remove answers as "off-topic." I flagged it no longer needed.
 
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5:43 PM
@EliahKagan (It's not so bad that I'd bother raising a flag on it even after the post is deleted, though.)
 
@EliahKagan I thought they need some rep to raise flags in any context
 
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I thought I'd heard that users who register and account and confirm their email address can flag their own posts. But I'm not sure.
 
hmm maybe
 
@EliahKagan Isn't it about in Oracle's DB? I'm not sure how it is related to Ubuntu. Like Oracle started successfully and then it failed. Oracle's SQL command fixed that. Nevertheless, I have casted a reopen a vote.
 
@EliahKagan Would it be a bad idea to edit that post now when voting to reopen it, since people might think it was only in the reopen queue because of a revision? I feel like the title makes it look like a potentially off-topic programming question
 
Maybe. What would you edit to to?
 
idk. I guess it's actually ok like that
shrug just not seeing why the close votes
 
Is that actually relevant to the question?
Also, is the question actually unclear? I think I understand what's being asked there.
(Please review it whichever you think is best. Or maybe it's a dupe of something...)
 
May be a dupe of this
 
5:55 PM
Do you think it's clear how to use winetricks with that (to automate the installation of Windows libraries)?
 
> I'm trying to run winetricks and install stuff in a 32 bit, but I don't even know how to begin to do that. Everytime I open winetricks it opens in 64 bit winetricks.
May be yes.
 
Yeah, I think it's a reasonable dupe target.
There's also this one. Maybe it would be good for them both to end up in the dupe banner.
Though maybe they only need to use WINEARCH.
 
I have voted to close as a dupe of above said question. You might like to add the second target.
 
I'll do so. I think yours is the better one though.
 
:)
 
6:03 PM
I've dupe-voted for the one you proposed. My other comment links to both, and I think it's better for yours to appear first, so I deleted the automatically generated dupe vote comment, in case you're wondering why that's not there.
The fifth close vote will have to be a dupe vote, for it to be closed as a duplicate. (@Zanna?)
When I edited the question, I considered replacing the "Wine bottles" terminology. Maybe it should be changed.
But I kept it, because I think (1) it's adequately clear and (2) people who've used or seen the Homebrew package manager (for macOS) are likely to search, by analogy to "casks," for wine bottles -- and getting people who search for things to answers is one of the reasons we keep duplicates around.
 
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6:19 PM
Also, that edit... that's not, like, something we do now, is it? (See revision #2.)
 
not that I've seen
but I have done that to deleted posts
 
?
Like, red-flag-deleted posts back before the system hid their contents?
 
If the post was extremely long - here's an example
 
Regading non-deleted posts, I was asking in kind of a tongue-and-cheek way. Editing an NAA post to replace it with an equally NAA message about how the post is NAA just makes it harder to people to know it's NAA and take action on it to delete it properly. (Well, not just that. It also bumps the question, potentially encourages the post author to reply to the NAA-asserting text with their own edited-in not-NAA-asserting text, and other bad stuff like that.)
 
haha yeah
that was an extra terrible edit
 
6:32 PM
@EliahKagan N0rbert should be pinged IMO.
 
@Zanna I guess that's probably okay since it's CW, so the lower threshold for an edit being considered justified probably applies after deletion and not just before. Otherwise I'd shy away from that, though.
 
in general I don't do that
 
Edit long deleted posts you mean?
 
yeah
but those posts were looooong and the non-deleted ones are looooong. 10k people would be struggling to navigate the page. So I compressed
but I don't usually do that - I think mouse-wheel-finger-strain-of-high-rep-users can be considered a minor problem :)
 
Although I hope the "ME" question is still edited, I've retracted my close vote in light of the answers. It was apparently clear enough to answer.
 
6:54 PM
 
It could fix the problem, I suppose. It's not the greatest answer, but I wouldn't delete it. (Unless the OP has indicated that they tried that.) I'm not even inclined to downvote it, though I don't plan to vote it up.
 
 
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8:09 PM
Difficult situation
 
 
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