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12:00 AM
@EliahKagan done
 
Thanks.
 
 
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1:15 AM
@Natty tp
 
 
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[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Low Length; No Code Block; One Line only; Low Rep; 3.0;
 
@EliahKagan Post already reported
 
2:29 AM
@Natty tp
 
@EliahKagan Post already reported
 
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@Natty tp
 
@Natty tp
 
 
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@EliahKagan yeah, and review completed now :)
@EliahKagan yeah it can do stuff like that, but not add watermarks, I think
 
Oh.
Sorry, yeah, I don't have any reason to think it can do watermarks.
 
I found an old article praising it for what it can do, and concluding "it would be even better if it could do other stuff like x, y, and adding watermarks". But it's possible that feature got added later? Anyway I didn't find any positive evidence.
I like the parallelogram in that answer :)
 
5:09 AM
Hmm, this question could use a better title.
 
Any better now?
 
Looks good, yes.
The question needing retitling, I mean.
Thanks for the edit there.
 
5:24 AM
@EliahKagan lol
@EliahKagan sorry, that was what I was referring to - on mobile and didn't see the link to the funny edit suggestion until after I'd sent the message it ended up coming after
 
I know it was -- our messages appear at almost the same time.
The huge wave of new 18.04 questions seems to have begun.
 
I like the featured blog post about being nicer
 
So do I.
 
W/r/t/ the other featured post, what's does "responsive design" actually mean?
 
I don't know; I haven't really read that in detail though, and so would have some trouble commenting on it intelligently.
 
5:31 AM
It's the follow-up to the earlier post about responsive design. I'm worried responsive design means things doing stuff when your pointer merely accidentally strays near to them unintentionally, which is a feature of websites that I thoroughly hate (I hate the feature, and I consequently hate the websites that have it)
 
I mean, I haven't read the featured meta post relating to repsonsive design in detail.
Also I haven't read the earlier post about responsive design.
What to do with this?
 
Neither of them explained what it was. They just said we're going to lose half the screen to a useless thing on the left. So I don't know what it is even though I did read the posts, and the responses
 
no longer needed (OP hasn't returned to the site in over 5 years)
What information should be requested here? Or is it a duplicate of something? The canonical black-screen question? I'm not sure about that.
Unclear They're asking about a command in their home directory that doesn't seem to have search results on Google.
The related but confusing question Can I skip over releases when upgrading? will also appear in the dupe banner, so I VTC'd it as a dupe of the equally related and confusion-addressing question Why does `do-release-upgrade` skip a version? These are all arguably appropriate originals for different major aspects of the question but I still feel dirty for doing that.
In any case, whether or not those additional originals are to be considered correct or reasonable, it would be excellent if the best original for that question -- How to install software or upgrade from an old unsupported release? -- were to appear first, which will happen if it gets the last dupe vote.
With more information, this question could be okay, but right now it's off-topic, or unclear. I've voted to close it as off-topic (not about Ubuntu).
Is this question clear enough to answer? It seems unclear but I don't know a lot about that topic.
Dupe (see comments)
 
6:00 AM
how could that be not about Ubuntu?
 
My guess? Word association: MATE -> Mint -> OT
But I have no real idea.
 
@EliahKagan seems massively too broad?
 
No repro (see comments)
@Zanna I guess that close reason would be fine.
 
@EliahKagan good comment :)
@EliahKagan done
@EliahKagan I voted for that one, but it didn't end up at the top :/
 
This question seems fine to me. It could perhaps benefit from a second, less optimistic answer, but it's an important conceptual question. I wouldn't close it unless there's something wrong with it I'm missing, or unless we have something to dupe it to.
@Zanna Darn! Well, I guess my new comment will have to do.
 
+1 to the comment
 
@Natty tp
^^^ Though maybe that post should be converted to a comment?
 
@EliahKagan yeah I don't feel very good about that answer. I wouldn't just buy anything assuming it will work
not even sure what that NAA is asserting... too many negatives!
 
Relatedly, I've retracted my close vote on that question. People seem to be understanding it fully.
 
oh the owner deleted it...
 
6:17 AM
Deleted posts can be converted to comments. I downvoted it, flagged it NAA, and voted to delete it. My downvote may have led them to delete it. I really don't think it was an answer (or intended as one).
Can this question have a better title?
 
@EliahKagan I don't want to make the title too specific to that message because I don't want to discourage people from posting answers that explain in full how to install it, if they choose.
I guess this answer should be edited rather than deleted.
Seems reasonable to dupe (see answer on target)
 
6:34 AM
@EliahKagan I am not sure it wouldn't be helpful to include the full text of the INSTALL file. Here it is...
This distribution contains the following files:

 * Binary files in "bin" directory: petrify, draw_astg and write_sg
 * man pages in "man/man1": petrify.1, draw_astg.1 and write_sg.1
 * A gate library: lib/petrify.genlib
 * Documentation in "doc":
      - A tutorial: tutorial.ps
      - Postscript version of the man pages

The binaries "draw_astg" and "write_sg" are in fact links to "petrify"
(they share the same binary code).

You should define properly define the variables PATH and MANPATH
of your environment including the "bin" and "man" directories
 
Do you mean quote it in the question?
 
it doesn't require compiling
@EliahKagan yes. That would make it clearer I think
perhaps I should just post an answer...
 
Did I say compiling. If so, sorry!
Or did they say that?
@Zanna Sounds good!
 
no, you did not
I'm just mentioning that, because the whole INSTALL file makes that fairly clear, but the quote from it in the question seems ambiguous
OK, I'm going to write an answer...
 
Thanks!
 
6:42 AM
I think OP is getting that error because it's a 32-bit binary...
that message in this context is my favourite bash error :) totally unhelpful
so, now I need to figure out which 32-bit libraries it requires :D takes a break
 
@Natty tp
 
7:41 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL-only title, bad NS for domain in body, bad NS for domain in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, +3 more: supplementstest.org/ever-erect/ by oiwv on askubuntu.com
 
7:54 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, bad keyword in username, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, +1 more: What Does Phenterage Garcinia Work? by phenterage on askubuntu.com
 
8:30 AM
@Zanna libc6 seemed sufficient, so I managed to post my answer
 
9:28 AM
@Natty tp
@EliahKagan I've installed 18.04 and I've done my tests for a gksu replacement on 18.04 as a said I would do here in this chatroom a few days ago. The results of my tests are that I've found no better than sudo -H appname [/path/to/file] &>/dev/null where I put [/path/to/file]inside square brackets only to indicate that it's an optional argument. This works for everything in 18.04. As b4 I suppressed the error messages because if I look at one more huge beaver picture I'm going to scream.
My only regret is that I haven't hit the bottom of the underlying theoretical issue. pkexec is so inconsistent that it's downright annoying and sudo -i makes a small nuisance into a potentially large nuisance. That's all I have at this point. There's probably some deeper explanation that explains why every available solution is such a piece of garbage that you either have to refrain from running graphical apps as root (my favorite solution) or else tell the terminal to shut up.
 
9:43 AM
@EliahKagan Yeah, it's fine. I'm not quite sure about whether spam would be included under NAA, but that particular post is a clear NAA.
(also sorry for the late reply. I had a mid term today morning. When I came back, there was a huge mess on MSO, so had to go and buy bags of popcorn)
 
9:56 AM
lol
popcorn emergency
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL-only title, bad NS for domain in body, bad NS for domain in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, +3 more: supplementstest.org/ever-erect/ by Ears Man on askubuntu.com
 
 
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11:37 AM
what to do with this?
seems to me, it is a dupe, but the target doesn't have the answer wanted by either OP
keeping the new one open seems unlikely to help in getting a good answer
really we should keep channelling people to the original question so that any useful answers get posted there
but, the system does not (I mean, it is impossible) allow us to close a question as a duplicate of an unanswered question (unless both are by the same person)
in this case, the system recognises the target as answered (the answer is quite upvoted)
but it is not satisfying, so doesn't count meaningfully as answered for the new question. So although the system allows us to close, we probably should not, according to that system's design
 
12:34 PM
@karel Okay. Thanks for trying it out!
@BhargavRao Thanks.
@BhargavRao No problem! These sorts of questions about Natty are definitely not urgent. I hope your midterm went well. Btw, should I be treating Natty posts without a Sentinel link any differently?
 
Eeek, looks like a copypaste mistake by me. It should have had a Sentinel link.
 
Most of Natty's chat messages contain Sentinel links, but there are a number of them that do not.
I was under the impression that this was intentional. Is that not so?
 
Yeah, I rewrote the printer for this room by taking parts from the SEBotics room. But I have made some minor screw up there (by forgetting to make the change to the printer as well), while I changed it from 88% to 80%.
It isn't intentional, it's a bug.
 
Ah, okay.
So are the ones without the Sentinel links the ones that Natty is less confident about?
 
Yep. That's an easy way to figure those out, but only until I fix the bug ;p
 
12:43 PM
:)
Did I miss something about that post? I didn't check it on Sentinel (it didn't have a Sentinel link) but it looked non-flaggable to me, and I didn't see any earlier revision in its revision history that would've been flaggable, so I gave it fp feedback. But I think someone else gave it tp feedback.
I don't know how to search chat for replies to a post, so I don't know how to find my or anyone else's feedback on it.
 
Thanks.
Was my feedback wrong, there?
 
sentinel.erwaysoftware.com/posts/aid/<post_id_on_AU>; gives the sentinel report. Clicking on the tick/cross, gives the full list of feedbacks.
 
Also, why does it have the green check mark and say "true positive"? Shouldn't it not know how to classify the item because it got conflicting feedback?
@BhargavRao Ah, okay, excellent. I did not know about looking them up like that!
 
Looks like an answer to me as well, are we both missing something? @karel Any reason why you thought it was a NAA?
@EliahKagan yeah, that's only on Sentinel. While analyzing the data, I'll get it as marked as "mixed feedback" on my system. I think Sentinel prioritizes tps over fps, so it got marked as tp.
Anyway, I gotta leave. Cya \o
 
12:53 PM
Cya! Thanks for the info.
@Zanna Are you taking this comment to mean the VLC solution did not work for the original OP? I can't tell if they mean this, or if they instead mean they didn't find any other solution, since it's a reply to someone else saying the VLC way didn't work and asking if the OP solved it.
Either way, if the questions really are asking for the same thing, I don't think we need to hold back on duping them.
 
1:07 PM
@BhargavRao In the original question the OP said he wanted to do a distribution upgrade and the answer was about how to do a fresh install, so I thought it missed the boat.
 
I don't think there is any benefit to leaving the new question open... I will write a comment though
 
Thanks.
 
@EliahKagan yes, I don't think that answer worked for them
 
If the new question's OP can give specific information that's relevant to finding a solution and that is different, then it would make sense to keep it open. As it is, they haven't even actually said the VLC-based answer to the older question didn't work for them. The OP of that older question may have said that, but the new OP hasn't, have they?
 
> I see VLC has a motion detector option, but that doesn't seem to do much other than highlight moving objects
 
1:13 PM
They want to detect motion. Why wouldn't highlighting moving objects do what they need?
Btw this NAA post was actually deleted as spam or as rude/abusive. Why was that?
 
they want to avoid watching hours of video where nothing happened
@EliahKagan yeah I saw that too... weird
they want the software to discard parts of the video where nothing is moving, so they can just examine the parts where something was moving without having to waste 10 hours of their day looking for it...
 
@Zanna When a post receives a wrong red flag but is rightly deleted for some other reason, usually no further action is needed. Neither the penalties to the user nor the "tuning" of the system as affected by the red flag, as far as I know. But when a red flag causes the deletion to occur (so the Community bot is shown as having done it), that's another story. If nobody can explain why that post should've been red flagged, then we should ask a moderator to look into it.
@Zanna Hmm... Yeah that looks like at least part of what's not adequate about VLC for this purpose.
 
@EliahKagan oh, ok.
how should we flag that?
 
In this case, it was actually deleted by a red flag. So I think it should be checked. There may have been a good reason for it, if it was part of a a slurry of posts by a spammer trying to make it look like they were a legit user, though even then a red flag on that particular post would've been questionable.
 
maybe "webcam zone trigger" is something like "long path tool"
well I found it and it seems to be Windows-only non-free as in non-free beer software
so I guess it makes sense to flag as spam
 
1:23 PM
It's recommending a specific program that is itself called "webcam zone trigger"?
 
yes
I believe so
 
Ah, okay. That's fine then.
 
:)
 
@Natty tp
 
I was going to mention that the other reason to ask moderators to look into wrong red-flag deletions is in case they're part of a pattern of misuse. (Even if a mod cast the final red flag, red flag deletions that don't make sense might sometimes be the result of moderators having mistakenly actioned users' flags that were themselves part of a pattern of misuse.)
So custom flags asking moderators to look into that probably shouldn't just phrase the matter in terms of keeping the glorious database clean and accurate. :) Something more than that is at stake. Anyway, for this post, I feel pretty confident you figured it out; so we don't need to ask a mod about it (unless there's some other source of doubt).
 
@Natty tp
 
haha how can anything be more important than Our Glorious Database
 
1:34 PM
@Zanna Well when you capitalize it like that... :)
@Natty I'm not sure what to do with that but the answerer is right that the OP has the situation backwards.
 
haha yeah
I don't know if that answer is otherwise helpful...
or how to edit the question... I guess it's time to take another break
 
flagged
 
I'm not sure if I should explain that their problem might not be the same as the OP's. I don't want to keep asking them to post a question if they're going hurl garbage slur-bearing insults at people in their question, too, and I don't usually (actually, I'm not sure I've ever) both flag and reply.
To be clear, this is not a request for you or anyone else to comment.
If you think I should comment, though, please let me know.
 
cleared comment and answer
 
1:45 PM
Thanks.
 
I was just writing a comment when the post vanished in a puff of data :)
 
On further consideration, I think the the final sentence of my original comment is adequate, if they come back and decide they want to pursue their booting problem further.
 
yes
 
^^^ That answer makes no sense, but is it actually NAA?
 
1:52 PM
haha
maybe someone is pranking us with posts about how Windows hates Secure Boot and DNS works but doesn't let you ping google
 
2:18 PM
Should this edit be approved?
 
[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Low Length; Low Rep; Contains Whitelisted Word - you can try; 0.5;
 
@EliahKagan I think so... the answer is wrong otherwise, isn't it?
 
Yeah, I think so. I'm trying to figure out how so many people upvoted it!
 
hahaha
 
To be clear, the answer without the edit does not show reverse dependencies. Of that I am sure.
I say, "I think so," in case somehow I am misinterpreting the question wrong and it doesn't need that.
Do the upvoters think that, or do they think it shows reverse dependencies by default?
 
2:26 PM
maybe the upvoters didn't think much about it
the question seems pretty clear...
 
@Natty fp
@EliahKagan (I'm not sure if it's reasonable to VTD that, but I'm pretty sure it's not flaggable, especially as far as what Natty looks for is concerned.)
 
[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Low Length; No Code Block; Low Rep; 3.0;
 
looks like an audit where you're meant to click Looks OK
 
Can this self-answer be made clearer?
 
2:41 PM
is that an extension? I don't know the context at all... maybe pomsky could give some insight on that
 
Is this an answer? If so, should the question be closed as a bug report?
 
I can't understand it
 
Skipping.
 
This question seems like an XY problem.
@Natty tp
I custom flagged it to suggest it be converted to a comment on that other answer. I think it can also be flagged NAA.
 
4:02 PM
^^^ Btw those are verbatim duplicates and they were posted within the same second, so I think a bug is involved. I've posted on meta:
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Q: Shouldn't the system prevent accidental verbatim duplicates?

Eliah KaganThis question is a verbatim duplicate of that question. They had the same title and body (until one of them was edited), are by the same author, and appear to have been posted within the same second, i.e., both are shown as having been posted at 15:32:17Z. My belief that that one was the original...

 
sorry for obfuscating...
 
No problem. People can look at the revision history. I also linked the timelines.
^^^ But it's just been edited. I don't think we should delete it. I've retracted my downvote and review comment, and I will post a new comment.
That answer has my new comment.
 
helpful workaround
 
It's probably the same workaround as in the question. I still am reluctant to delete it. Really we should close the question as OT bug.
@EliahKagan Why didn't Natty emit a message for that report?
 
I voted to close the question
 
Thanks.
 
@Natty tp
 
4:27 PM
^^^ Extremely NAA. They want to install Kali Linux Tools, not Kali... but they're running Linux Mint, so we shouldn't advise them to post a new question on Ask Ubuntu, since we'd just close it as OT.
 
o.O
this question doesn't seem to have any answers that actually answer the question :)
 
I've commented on that very NAA post. I think it's better than nothing and better than any of the canned comments available through the LQP review queue. I'll delete it if you (or anyone) can post a better comment.
 
[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Contains Blacklisted Word - I am trying to; Contains ?; Low Length; No Code Block; One Line only; Low Rep; 6.0;
 
Natty emitted a message for that one. Hmm.
Oh, crap. My mistake. I didn't say "report" in that message. Haha!
Unfortunately, if I report it now, it will use the current revision, which isn't NAA, or at least not by reasonable standards for Natty.
Can an old revision be reported to Natty?
is made of 100% confusion and fail
 
[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Contains ?; No Code Block; Low Rep; 2.5;
 
4:36 PM
^^^ That one is still NAA and will never not be NAA. So no problem reporting that one, as I've just done.
@EliahKagan That one is the one that was edited and so is no longer NAA. But that one I did report correctly, and Natty didn't emit a message for it.
 
@EliahKagan comment looks good :)
@EliahKagan don't worry, you are fine and Natty is still your friend
 
@EliahKagan is completely clueless
@EliahKagan yes... that is odd
 
@Zanna There's two ways to read what you've just said. :)
This is why italics are not a fully substitute for the missing /me notation. :)
@Natty tp
@Zanna Let's see if Sentinel has anything for it.
@Zanna How so? Should something be done with the other two posts?
 
@EliahKagan I was referring to myself XD
 
4:42 PM
This question could use a CW or non-CW answer based on that comment.
@Zanna I know. But it would have been true the other way, too. :)
What do we have for this?
 
@EliahKagan I mean, none of them deal with the situation where the whole file is one line, as in OP's example. The example might have been added after the answers were posted. I don't think anything needs to be done to the existing answers, but I was thinking of posting an answer that shows some ways of extracting parts of a line (as seems to be the requirement) rather than some lines
 
@Zanna Oh, sorry, I thought you meant a different answer, even though you included a link to the answer you were talking about darn it I mean the question itself!!
 
I did? oops... I thought I'd linked to the question itself
 
@EliahKagan I don't know anything about that, so, hopefully someone who does might find time to post such an answer
 
4:48 PM
Hmm, maybe I should try to post an answer.
 
that would be good :)
 
@Zanna Yes, you should totally do that!
 
I'm on it :)
 
Is this question OT bug?
I think NAA posts by users who are suffering 18.04-related problems deserve good comments but I'm not sure what to write here. It doesn't attempt to answer the question, they might not have enough information that it would make sense for them to post their own question (usually for this sort of question people do, but this case manifests a bit more simply), and especially if karel's answer doesn't work for people then I think the question is OT bug.
@Natty tp
 
4:55 PM
I think this edit (on that same question) should be rejected. I think the OP is trying to indicate that what they are seeing might not be accurately characterized as zooming.
@Natty fp
^^^ But I've commented. Hopefully they'll expand it.
@Zanna I don't know when I'll get to it. For now I've replaced my comment.
@Zanna Our Glorious New Top Bar
 
@EliahKagan rejected
 
For a moment I thought you had rejected the new top bar. :)
Anyway, thanks.
@EliahKagan Like, I'd like it to have a comment with more information than that one (posted after I was looking at and flagging the post -- I just saw it), which points out that it's NAA but doesn't say much else of value, and which could potentially come across abrasively.
@EliahKagan Nope, Sentinel doesn't seem to have anything for it:
Consider, in contrast, this one, which does forward to the Sentinel post:
Bhargav Rao taught me how to do that earlier today.
 
It could stand to include a bit more information, but...
@Natty fp
 
phew, that answer turned out really long
\o @jokerdino :)
 
good morning
 
if you say so
 
So, is there a CAPTHA bug keeping users from posting that needs fixing, or not?
Also, hi @jokerdino! :)
@Natty tp
^^^ But I think that post should be edited so it's no longer link-only, rather than deleted.
 
5:52 PM
@EliahKagan probably tipped by a bot
 
@Natty tp
I don't think this question is actually too broad.
I also think we can close this question as a duplicate of that one.
 
6:23 PM
Given the OP's edit, I think that question should instead be closed as a duplicate of a different question.
 
[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Contains ?; Low Rep; 2.0;
 
@jokerdino Post already registered as True Positive
 
@Natty shut up
 
6:24 PM
lol
@Natty it's ok, he doesn't mean it
 
@jokerdino Post already registered as True Positive
 
grr
@Natty why does that have an upvote?
 
You can search for them in chat. Or on Sentinel.
 
@jokerdino The NAA Value is 2.0. The explanation for the filters is:
1.0 - Contains ?
1.0 - Low Rep
 
6:28 PM
Ohm, you're grring about the upvote.
 
curses, I downvoted but my delete voting powers are hindered
 
Hindered because it's already deleted or for some other reason?
 
because score = 0
 
Oh, my downvote had not yet been cast.
 
anyway, it was obliterated by super delete vote :)
 
6:31 PM
Is this comment of mine useful, or is it a garbage fire of typos and indistinguishable meta links that I should scorch from the Earth question?
@Zanna Worst superhero name ever.
 
@EliahKagan lol
@EliahKagan it only seems to have a couple of minor typos, so I would leave it
too bad the comment source userscript died since FF did that thing
 
@EliahKagan DJ didn't say offtopic and I see no close votes for OT.
 
I'm more worried about whether it's distracting from potentially more important elements of the review situation, with the changing dupe target and possibility that it may not be a duplicate at all anymore (though I still somewhat favor closing it as a duplicate of my newer suggested question).
 
just a suggestion to take it to a different site which is dying a slow death
 
:)
The review situation just got even more complicated, with the old dupe suggestion being resuggested and getting another vote. I'll delete it and perhaps comment further on that matter.
 
6:35 PM
people were VTCing a lot of software rec questions as OT when making such comments a while ago
 
@EliahKagan closed it as dupe of both.
 
Thanks. Do you think it would be reasonable to change the order of them in the dupe banner?
 
Is that possible?
 
you can edit the banner
 
when did they add this feature?
@EliahKagan Done
 
6:39 PM
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Q: Gold tag-badge holders and moderators can now edit duplicate links

Shog9As of a few minutes ago, if you have a gold tag-badge for a tag associated with a question that's been closed as a duplicate, you can edit the duplicate links to replace, add, remove or re-arrange them: These changes are tracked in PostHistory to allow anyone to detect abuse, while the res...

 
It makes sense that that's when it would've been added for moderators, too.
 
well, that's what it says...
Shog's FHRC is a bit wobbly
 
That happens when one wears sunglasses and also holds one's head at such a weird angle, while mousing.
 
hahaha good point
 
@jokerdino Thanks.
@jokerdino But why would it be impossible to attempt to operate the CAPTCHA?
Do you think the CAPTCHA problem in that meta question is no repro and that's why the OP deleted it?
@Zanna Sorry, I mean I had only known about how that was when it was added for gold tag badge holders.
Specifically, I mean I knew that gold tag badge holders' ability to do it was related to the hammering ability but it had not occurred to me that moderators couldn't already do it.
 
6:55 PM
my bad, sorry
what do they mean by firefox driver? Do they in fact mean firefox?
 
They mean selenium.webdriver I think.
 
oh! does the title need adjusting?
 
I'm not sure.
 
@EliahKagan I believe it's a client side bug but I am not sure.
imma go to sleep right now. ttyl
 
Good night!
 
7:01 PM
good night xxx
 
Can anyone confirm the validity of this answer? If I'm not mistaken, Canonical stopped providing 32-bit ISOs since 17.10, but supports upgrading from an older 32-bit release. (I might be wrong)
 
7:46 PM
Does that work?! O.o
 
POB, or maybe a dupe of some question asking about the important differences.
 
@pomsky possibly, but it will most likely mess things up
I always downvote answers that suggest it
 
@Natty tp
@Zanna I've commented.
 
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