Vedanta and Philosophy - 2017-06-07

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3:06 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan There are some reason 1.The philosophy looks complicated or not in favour of Vedanta 2. Actually I don't know much about them unlike Sri Vaishnava.

@KeshavSrinivasan those two are Kashmiri Shaivism & Pashupata. Because first one sounds interesting as some users are studying it and second one as having ancient one.

@KeshavSrinivasan wow! That's good to know. So, Shiva Siddhanta is evolved from Pashupata.

@KeshavSrinivasan You've mentioned in your article that Suddhadvaita of Vallabhacharya is similar to Vishishtadvaita but I think it leans more towards Advaita.

Keshav Srinivasan

3:30 AM

@Pandya Oh ok. The two that I'm most interested in are Shaiva Siddhanta and Kashmiri Shaivism. I'm interested in Kashmiri Shaivism for the same reason you are, namely that we have two users from that tradition so I can discuss it with them. And Shaiva Siddhanta because as I told you before, it's basically the Shaivite counterpart to Sri Vaishnavism. So it's nice to compare and contrast Sri Vaishnavism and Shaiva Siddhanta.

@Pandya Well, as far as the relation between Jivatma and Paramatma, it's closer to Visistadvaita rather than Advaita. Shuddhadvaita says that Jivatmas are parts of a larger whole called Paramatma, just as Visistadvaita says, but Shuddhadvaita doesn't acknowledge Paramatma as the Antaryami of the Jivatma.

@Pandya Also in Advaita the world is an illusion, and in Visistadvaita the world is real, but in Shuddhadvaita the world is something like halfway between real and illusion. But I don't know the details. That's one of the reason why I'd like to read Vallabhacharya's Anubhashya.

@Pandya If you're interested in Pashupata then you should read Lakulisha's Pashupata Sutras. Here is Lakulisha's Pashupata Sutras along with Kaundinya's Panchartha Bhashya, which is the standard commentary on the Pashupata Sutras: archive.org/details/PasupataSutramHaripadaChakroborti

@KeshavSrinivasan According to Shuddhadvaita, the relationship between Brahman and Jiva is like fire & spark. (I think they sometimes interpret Jiva originates from Brahman and dissolves back)

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya Even Visistadvaita uses the analogy of fire and spark.

@Pandya But they definitely don't believe that the Jivatma originates from Brahman. No one in the Vedanta school believes that.

@KeshavSrinivasan ok. Thanks, btw, when I want to know about a Sampradaya, I'm interested in knowing about foundation & expansion of sect like knowing about Alwars, Nathamuni & Ramanuja in case of Sri.

@KeshavSrinivasan But I think Suddhadvaita doesn't consider Jiva and Brahman two distinct realities.

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya Shuddhadvaita considers Jivas to be parts of Brahman. If anything Visistadvaita goes closer than Shuddhadvaita in acknowledging an identity between Jivas and Brahman.

@Pandya Shuddhadvaita doesn't acknowledge that if you look inside the Jivatma, you will find Paramatma as the Antaryami dwelling within.

@KeshavSrinivasan ok. Btw, I've read somewhere that Vallabhacharya was agree with Shankaracharya's philosophy except maya & world's illusiveness concept.

Keshav Srinivasan

3:45 AM

@Pandya OK, if you find it again tell me. At least from what I've read they believe in a part-whole relationship.

@Pandya By the way, coincidentally I'm writing up a question on Vallabhacharya right now.

@Pandya It's about whether Vallabhacharya was originally a Gaudiya Vaishnava.

@KeshavSrinivasan Yes, they believe in part-whole (Amsha-Amshi) relationship.

@KeshavSrinivasan Do you know (or have you heard) about Avirbhava & Tirobhava?

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya I've never heard of Avirbhava. I've heard of Tirobhava though. It's one of the five functions of Sadashiva in the worldview of the Shaiva Agamas. In the worldview of the Shaiva Agamas, Brahma creates, Vishnu preserves, Rudra destroys, Maheshwara conceals, and Sadashiva reveals/liberates.

@Pandya Tirobhava refers to Maheshwara's function of concealment.

@KeshavSrinivasan According to Shuddhadvaita, Jiva emerges from Brahman & dissolves in to it but that (creation & dissolution) is not as per common phenomenon as we see in world. Actually that creation & dissolution are Avirbhava & Tirobhava which means -- when Jiva emerges & dissolves into Brahman, it is just like manifestation.

It means Jiva doesn't destroyed into Brahman, just disappeared but rest in Brhaman. And same thing applies for creation. It's manifestation rather than actual creation.

@KeshavSrinivasan Are you getting my point. I think Sri Vaishnava also believes when world dissolves in Brahman, it doesn't actually destroyed but remains in unmanifested form and then again manifest.

@KeshavSrinivasan I think Suddhadvaita belives in similar manifestation and dissolution of Jiva from Brahman.

@KeshavSrinivasan I'm referring from Pushti Peetha website.

Keshav Srinivasan

4:06 AM

@Pandya Even Visistadvaita believes the same thing. During Mahapralaya time Jivas go back to Brahman and exist in seed form, devoid of name and form. Then Sriman Narayana recreates the world and sends Baddha Jivas back out into the world.

@Pandya And forget Mahapralaya, all members of the Vedanta school believe that every night when you sleep, your soul goes to Brahman.

@KeshavSrinivasan Yes, that I know.

@KeshavSrinivasan we need to read Anu Bhasya or works of Vallabha for clear understanding of Shuddhadvaita.

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya Yeah. By the way, other works of Vallabhacharya are available in English, like his Subodhini or commentary on the Srimad Bhagavatam.

@SwiftPushkar @Tezz Kavita Kosh has may cultural kavitas of various cultural & language of India. You may find useful/interesting!

Lakshmi Narayanan

@KeshavSrinivasan @Pandya How does Atma perform the function of Knowing in Shuddhadvaita as compared to VisistAdvaita? I know that in VisistAdvaita Atma comes into interaction with an independent yet attributive knowledge which reveals the objects of knowlede due to the Kartrtva of Atma

@KeshavSrinivasan you can read about Shuddhadvaita here.

Keshav Srinivasan

4:29 AM

@LakshmiNarayanan Haha, that's a very technical subject, and I don't even know that much about Dharmabhuta Jnana and Svarupa Jnana in Visistadvaita, let alone whatever counterparts they might have in other philosophies.

Lakshmi Narayanan

4:50 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan It is explained in that book. Let's discuss it when you find time to read it :)

Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan OK sure

Triyugi Narayan Mani

@RakeshJoshi Great

Keshav Srinivasan

5:38 AM

@KrishnShweta @Pandya I just posted a question about Vallabhacharya:

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Q: Do Vallabhacharya's followers believe he was originally a Gaudiya Vaishnava?

As I discuss in my question here, Vishnu is said to have taught the principles of Vaishnavism to four disciples: Lakshmi, Brahma, Shiva and Sanatkumara. And in turn they started the four main Sampradayas or traditions of Vaishnavism: Sri Sampradayam, Brahma Sampradayam, Rudra Sampradayam, and Kum...

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6:18 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan @TheDestroyer @Pandya - I think this question is too broad , there are almost hundreds of different versions of Bhagvatam (including local versions) , even though the content vary slightly , the core messages of Bhakti is same thoughout . It's impossible to find out difference in all the versions , they are not inconsistencies but due to difference in regions ,and local flavor.

hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/18732/…

hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/18732/…

Your question is too broad to answer over here. Some difference in the Vamsha-Charita can be seen.But majority of the philosophical content and core messages is almost the same. — SwiftPushkar 1 min ago

6:58 AM

@SwiftPushkar I think he only meant Sanskrit version.

@SS - Yes , got his point , he is asking about manuscripts , but still its very difficult & broad to answer.Because those incomplete manuscripts aren't available to general public , and printed versions are prepared with careful study from various manuscripts from different regions.For e.g. its written in Gita-Press version - from where they collected references and how they carefully prepared that version.😊👍👍

@SS Okkati explain chesthava? ^^

Dēvuḍu kāvaccu 😀

@SS Lite... Ardham ayyindi...

@SwiftPushkar ??

@KrishnShweta - ans to your question , i think "may be god" - is it right what i have pasted ?😊

@SS - May be you could try answering that question .1St one

7:14 AM

@SwiftPushkar Oh!! Translate my question :)

@RakeshJoshi I'll watch it. Btw, who is he?

@KrishnShweta he is a famous upasaka from TN

Ok...

???

I asked meaning of upasaka. I thought I understood the meaning so deleted but seems I didn't :D

the one who does upasana (worship)

especially used for those who are initiated

7:20 AM

Oh! Ok...

@KrishnShweta r u interested in learning Sanskrit

Yeah...

I downloaded a pdf which says I'll learn Sanskrit within 30 days :D

you can join samskrita bharati first .. 10 days camp 2 hrs daily ..

its free of cost

Hmm.....

I do self learning mostly, but Sanskrit is tough one. I'll see if I could join any.

8:02 AM

@KrishnShweta Namaskar, are you the follower of Vallabhacharya's Pushti Marga?

8:18 AM

@KrishnShweta u will like pushti marga more because of bala krishna..

8:43 AM

@SS @LakshmiNarayanan

Happy Nammalvar Tirunakshatram

@RakeshJoshi Thank you and wish you the same.

Nammazhwar Tiruvadigale Sharanam.

Vedantadesiko Vijayate... Adiyen desikadasan

Sree Charan, Bhagyanagaram, Telangana, India

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9:04 AM

@SS - 🤗 Sorry , got that 😀👍👍

@SwiftPushkar What did you remove? I didn't see it

@SS - I was asking about your DP , but then seen the description given by you , so removed , Was asking who is in DP😊👍👍

@Pandya Namaskar... I'm not Vallabhacharya's follower. But his Shuddhadvaita is interesting.

Lakshmi Narayanan

Happy NammAzhwar Tirunakshataram!
Azhwar EmperumAnar Desikar ThiruvadigaLE saranam!

@KrishnShweta oh! ok I assumed as Keshav informed you about his question on Vallabhacharya. Yes, Suddhadvaita is interesting.

9:13 AM

@SS - Edit it & increase the image brightness & contrast , the pic.will be more visible then😊🖱🔅🔦👁

I find Krishna as my lover :P
I worship Him by considering His age around 21-25 only :D

@KrishnShweta then go for Krishna Chaitanya :)

and make a trip to Vrindavan

@Pandya Actually I belong to Rudra sect by birth. So whenever Keshav post any question about vallabha, he informs me.

have u participated in isckon keertan ?

@RakeshJoshi Chaitanya... NO.....

Lakshmi Narayanan

9:16 AM

Orisai - Krishna Nee - TM Krishna

@SwiftPushkar I added a new image

@RakeshJoshi Trip to Vrindavan is my dream... :)

Lakshmi Narayanan

@KrishnShweta I think then you will enjoy the above song :)

i heard that LOVE is in the air there....

@SS - Yeah , looking grt. now 👍👍🙏💐

9:17 AM

@LakshmiNarayanan Oh!! I'll listen to it :)

@RakeshJoshi Krishna is enough for me. I don't believe in Chaitanya.

@RakeshJoshi Btw, you know I recently posted a question about Chaitanya. Those verses are wrong.

@KrishnShweta - 😊👍👍 You can read the description of Vrindawana in Bhagvatam , read adjesent chapters - its a nice one - vedabase.com/en/sb/10/20

@KrishnShweta they are the only sect which focus on lover kind of worship i guess. and their keertan is good .. u need not subscribe to all of their ideologies though

they make tasty sattvik food too :P

@SwiftPushkar Wow!! I'm in SB-1, 2nd chapter.

@KrishnShweta Which one?

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Q: Which verse of Padma purana and Narasimha purana claims Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is Krishna/Vishnu Himself?

This website provides many evidences to prove the divinity of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Verse from Padma purana: yatrayogesvarah saksad yogi-cintyo janardanah caitanya vapur aste vai sandranandatmakah kaleh prathama-sandhyayam gaurangotham mahi-tale bhagirathi-tate ramye bhavis...

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9:25 AM

@KrishnShweta so, you belong to Rudra Sampradaya other than Vallabhacharya's? I think Vishnu Swami right?

@SS His original name was Gauranga. So, I think those verses are wrong.

@KrishnShweta You posted a question ? when ?

@Pandya What's the difference? Vallabhacharya accepted Vishnu swami's sect. Right?

@SS long ago :P

@KrishnShweta - Oh it's doesn't matter , you can read in any order , the in book 2 you will find everything related to Bal-Krishna , Young Krishna with gopies , Krishna's marriage with Rukhmini , his fight with asuras and much more , its interesting to read , Read it at your convenience 📓😃

@SS - 😀😀

@RakeshJoshi True!!

9:29 AM

@KrishnShweta yes, so, you belong to Pushti Marga but don't follow it! why?

'Taai Aami Gour Bole Daaki' by Parvathy Baul

@KrishnShweta

@Pandya I know little bit. Without knowing fully I don't follow anyone or anything :)

@RakeshJoshi I'll watch it :)

@KrishnShweta ok. Good!

9:43 AM

@KrishnShweta - Check this - pushtisanskar.org

archive.org/details/ShriSubhodiniji_201609

Ohkkk....

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10:57 AM

@SS - In your DP there is a black srip with thiruman mark , what is that? Is it a tree?

@RakeshJoshi - Which is the Galaxy in your DP?

i think its entire cosmos

@RakeshJoshi - 😀 Are u sure OR only the upto the part where our instruments reach?

all is just an probable estimation

exactly hard to measure

@SS @KrishnShweta
Looks like Wonder Woman is a great film.. i m gonna watch it.

11:29 AM

@RakeshJoshi - What do you think why they have premiered the film in the Shanghai rather than US /UK ? Any particular reason ⬅⬅@AnkitSharma

i m just concerned with movie and story etc ..

concept of woman superhero is good

@RakeshJoshi - hmm , they even don't make much films on women superhero's , audiences also are board watching male hero's doing all the work 👱 Tried their luck on lady superhero this time😀 In the hope of 💸💲💲

i think released first in indonesia

@RakeshJoshi - Then i doubt about the film will becomeing box-office hit , targeted towards specific audience i think,

11:49 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan Usually we use to say a Sampradaya rejects Vedanta if it rejects Brahma Sutras but it may be possible they don't reject preaching of Mukhya Upanishads. What do you think?

@SwiftPushkar How was the ShvetaShvatar?

@KrishnShweta After Bhagavad-Gita, are you thinking to start Srimad Bhagvatam?

12:25 PM

@SwiftPushkar which film?

12:52 PM

@SwiftPushkar mega reviews and ratings so far..

1:04 PM

missing new avatar of Sree Charan here! @SS nice Avatar.

1:33 PM

@AnkitSharma Wonder woman.

@RakeshJoshi Yes. It is a good film. I also am planning to watch it.

1:44 PM

don't know

2:11 PM

Seman kurugaiyo, seyyath thirupaarkadao?
Thaamamparankusamo;Naaranamo?Thaaman
Thulavo?Vagulamo?Thole irando?Naango?
Ulavo Peruma Unakku?

Is your Abode Kurugai, Is it the divine milky ocean?
Is your name Parankusha? Or Srimannarayana?
Are you adorned with the Vakula flowers? Or the tulasi leaves?
Are you adorned with two earrings or four earrings?
Are you the supreme lord, Perumal(Srimannarayana) Himself?

A fly dancing in front of mighty Garuda? Or a firefly dancing in front of bright daylight.
A dag dancing in front of a tiger? Or a fox dancing before Lord Narasimha?
A clumsy ghost dancing infront of beautiful Urvasi? With all the poets put together, is not just a single utterance of Vagulabharanan(Sri Nammazhwar) enough to conquer all.

Verses by the the community of the scholars praising Nammazhwar. ^^

Keshav Srinivasan

2:36 PM

@Pandya Yes, the Vedanta school is defined by the Brahma Sutras, but you can believe in the Upanishads while rejecting the Vedanta school. In fact all Shaiva Sddhantins believe in the Upanishads, it's just that most of them believe that the Brahma Sutras misinterpret the Upanishads. The only Shaiva Siddhantins who believe that the Brahma Sutras correctly interpret the Upanishads are Shrauta Shaiva Siddantins.

3:11 PM

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Have a look at this user. He is posting just to troll. @Keshav @TheDestroyer @Pandya

Any one don't write an answer to such posts @SwiftPushkar @Tezz @RakeshJoshi @Rickross @LakshmiNarayanan T @Yogi hey are likely to get closed and automatically deleted. Waste of your valuable time

It is a low quality question.

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5:08 PM

@SS yes, he is blocked from asking new questions.

@Pandya OK.

Will you remove those messages? @Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan So, how can we say one rejected Vedanta if s/he believes in teaching of Upanishads? Does it mean BS that defines Vedanta. Aren't Upanishads the actual scriptures to be considered?

@SS why?

@Pandya If you think removing is unnecessary, then let them remain. I have no problem :)

@SS Haha, I think you want to remove "Don't write answers.....". with pinging many users

@Pandya No, the link to user account.

@Pandya That pinging message should be there.

5:13 PM

@SS I think there's no problem with account link.

@Pandya So, He has been suspended?

@SS no. Just hinduism.stackexchange.com/help/question-bans

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya The Vedanta school is a philosophical school with specific philosophical doctrines. Just like one can accept the Karma Kanda of the Vedas without believing in the Purva Mimamsa school, one can accept the Jnana Kanda of the Vedas without believing in the Vedanta or Uttara Mimamsa school.

@Pandya There is a chance that s/he will return with more fake accounts. So, keep watching for them.

@KeshavSrinivasan oh! But suppose one insist on Uttar Mimansa (Upanishads) but doesn't accept Brahma Sutra. (I mean one Upanishad follower unsure about authenticity of Brahma Sutra).

Keshav Srinivasan

5:25 PM

@Pandya Well, there aren't any people, at least living today, who both believe that we should apply the methods of Mimamsa to the Upanishads, but also believe that the Brahma Sutras misinterpret the Upanishads.

@Pandya There were such people in the ancient past. In the Brahma Sutras Vyasa discusses the views of various people who disagree with how he applies the methods of Mimamsa to the Upanishads. But those people died out long before even the time of Adi Shankaracharya.

@Pandya Similarly there were people who thought that we should apply the methods of Mimamsa to the Karmakanda of the Vedas but thought that Jaimini was incorrectly applying the methods of Mimamsa to the Karmakanda, but those people died out long before the time of Kumarila Bhatta.

@KeshavSrinivasan ok. that sounds interesting. Btw, I think if one (follower) of Upanishads not agree with any existing interpretation of BS, he should do Bhashya for interpretation instead of rejecting BS.

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya Well, but you can have situations where e.g. a Shaiva Siddhantin believes that Adi Shankaracharya correctly interprets the Brahma Sutras, and yet also believes the Brahma Sutras thus interpreted are not properly interpreting the Upanishads.

@Pandya In such a situation, for that Shaiva Siddhantin to reinterpret the Brahma Sutras so that it suits his preferred interpretation of the Upanishads would be intellectually dishonest, because you would not be accurately reflecting what you think Vyasa intended to say.

@Pandya In any case, the kind of people who reject the Brahma Sutras are the kind of people who believe that the methods of Mimamsa are not the methods you should use to interpret the Upanishads. So such a person will never be satisfied with any interpretation of the Brahma Sutras, because they disagree with the fundamental methodology of the Brahma Sutras itself.

@KeshavSrinivasan Yes, accepting interpretation of a scripture but simultaneously rejecting that original scripture is not proper.

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya Yeah

@Pandya By the way, in the days of Kumarila Bhatta there were still people who disagreed with Shabara's commentary on the Purva Mimamsa Sutras. Bhavadasa was one such person. But we have no surviving works of any Mimamsakas who disagreed with Shabara, let alone Mimamsakas who disagreed with Jaimini.

So, It makes it more & more clear that understanding the original meaning of Vyasa through BS and interpreting it is very significant & crucial task.

Keshav Srinivasan

5:40 PM

@Pandya Yeah, definitely. One of the main things that any new sect of Hinduism needs to do is write a commentary on the Brahma Sutras. Because that's the way to show that your sect accurately reflects the original views of the Vedanta school.

@KeshavSrinivasan yes, that's also big problem. Currently we have many such things mentioned in commentary or somewhere else but original work is lost i.e no surviving work to validate or even study.

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya Yeah, the Devata Kanda Sutras are a good example.

@Pandya By the way, I find that the best way to learn about a sect of Hinduism I'm not familiar with is to read their commentary on the Brahma Sutras. I discussed this with @LakshmiNarayanan a few days ago:

May 29 at 6:13, by Keshav Srinivasan

@LakshmiNarayanan Reading a commentary on the Brahma Sutras is often the best way to understand a sect or philosophy you're not familiar with. There's something about having to come up with a way to consistently interpret a list of 555 statements that forces a philosopher to clarify his ideas as much as possible.

@KeshavSrinivasan Yes.

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya That's one of the reasons I try to read as many different commentaries on the Brahma Sutras as I can find.

@KeshavSrinivasan Btw, I think there was Ramanujacharya who firstly wrote commentary after Shankaracharya right? Or any other wrote commentary between them?

Keshav Srinivasan

5:47 PM

@Pandya By the way, did you see my most recent question on the Devata Kanda Sutras?

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Q: Was Vishnu's Vyuha form Sankarshana a commentator on the Devata Kanda Sutras?

As I discuss in this question, by far the most popular school of Hindu philosophy is the Vedanta school, which bases its tenets on the doctrines laid out in the Brahma Sutras, a work by the sage Vyasa which summarizes and systematizes the philosophical teachings of the Upanishads. (You can read t...

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@Pandya There were several commentaries that were written between the time of Adi Shankaracharya and the time of Ramanujachaya. But we only have one surviving commentary, the commentary of Bhaskaracharya advocating Aupadhika Bhedabheda.

@KeshavSrinivasan no. I seen your questions on Devata Kanda Sutras but not this.

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya I posted a question asking for Bhaskaracharya's commentary here:

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Q: Has Bhaskara's second-oldest Brahma Sutra Bhashya ever been translated into English?

As I discuss in this question, by far the most popular school of Hindu philosophy is the Vedanta school, which bases its tenets on the doctrines laid out in the Brahma Sutras, a work by the sage Vyasa that summarizes and systematizes the philosophical teachings of the Upanishads. You can read the...

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@Pandya Ramanujacharya's guru's guru Yamunacharya discusses various Vedantic commentators in this quote from his Siddhitrayam:"For the sake of this objective, the Sutras were written by Bhagavat Badarayana; they were then explained by the author of the bhashya, which expressed tersely their profound meaning; this was explained in detail by Bhagavat Srivatsankamishra who declared the truth profound as an ocean. Nevertheless people, whose minds have become confused because they relied upon the works, both good and bad, written by the masters Tanka, Bhartriprapancha, Bhartrimitra, Bhartrihari,…

@Pandya Ramanujacharya's original guru Yadavaprakasha also wrote a commentary on the Brahma Sutras, written from the viewpoint of Svabhavika Bhedabheda (different from Aupadhika Bhedabheda), but it's lost now.

@KeshavSrinivasan wow! I didn't know that Yamunacharya discussed BS and it's interpretation.

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya Yes, Yamunacharya's Siddhitrayam is the earliest Sri Vaishnava work we have which describes the philosophy which we now call Visistadvaita. Nathamuni also wrote about Visistadvaita, but his works are lost.

Thank god -- Ramanujacharya's Vishishtadvaita hasn't lost! Haha

Keshav Srinivasan

5:59 PM

@Pandya The Siddhitrayam is not an actual commentary on the Brahma Sutras though. But the reason that Yamunacharya says "It is therefore proper to begin [this] treatise (i.e. the Siddhitraya) for the sake of the true understanding of those (sutras)." is that he's explaining the philosophy described in the Brahma Sutras, even if he's not commenting on each individual Sutra.

@Pandya Haha yeah

Lakshmi Narayanan

@KeshavSrinivasan Is this informed by Godel's Completeness Theorem?

@KeshavSrinivasan Btw, going to sleep now, will read your messages later :)

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya By the way, in the Agama Pramanya, Yamunacharya spends a great deal of time refuting Adi Shankaracharya's interpretation of the Sutras in the Brahma Sutras which discuss Pancharatra, and he lays out the proper meaning of those Sutras. Ramanujacharya's discussion of these Sutras in the Sri Bhashya are heavily based on what Yamunacharya says in the Agama Pramanya.

@Pandya By the way, when Yamunacharya says "they were then explained by the author of the bhashya, which expressed tersely their profound meaning", he's referring to Dramidacharya, who was an ancient pre-Shankara commentary who wrote Bhashyas on both the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad and the Brahma Sutras.

Lakshmi Narayanan

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Enjoy!

@LakshmiNarayanan Also find some cheerup ragas for @Keshav

Lakshmi Narayanan

6:30 PM

@SS Yeah, I'm trying to find a similar playlist for morning :D

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrbjTAvk3M7fIRA_i04Vx31ZqAt26iMIQ
@KeshavSrinivasan There you go, Relax and Enjoy!

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Keshav Srinivasan

9:54 PM

@LakshmiNarayanan I'd never thought about it like that, but yes. If you interpret 555 statements in a consistent manner, then that it indicates that you have some coherent philosophical worldview that is leading to that consistency.

Keshav Srinivasan

10:07 PM

@LakshmiNarayanan Of course, how many commentaries on the Brahma Sutras actually meet the consistency standard is an open question, but at least the attempt to meet it requires you to clarify your ideas as best you can into a coherent worldview.

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Jun '177

Vedanta and Philosophy

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