@SS. Yeah, It is what I've found upto now in Vedas as per my knowledge... you can make me aware if you find 'Bhagvan' in Vedas is used to address other deities also... certainly Valmiki Ramayana, Mahabharata and Puranas call many deities as 'Bhagavan'... but I'm talking of Vedas...
@SS. what's wrong in it? How does this make he is not supporting others? If Vedas call Rudra only as Bhagavan, do you blame vedas for not supporting other dieties?
@KeshavSrinivasan Bhagvan occurs many time in Samhita... like the RigVeda verse 'Aayam Mein Hasto Bhagavan Aayam Mein Bhagavattara, Aayam Mein Hasto Bheshajoyam Shivabhimarshana... " and so on... also in Maitryanai Samhita...
@TheDestroyer it is just for customary recitation...
@SS. When did I objected... I'm just saying as far as I'm aware the word 'Bhagvan' is used to denote Rudra only in Vedas...
@TheDestroyer I don't know.. It is possible that it is from lost Shakha of Vedas... but commentators like Sayana and Bhatta Bhaskara haven't commented on that verse while commenting on Sri Rudram... so it's likely that either its only Puranic or just customary recitation...
@SS. Actually I also tell it now... because I'm not claiming Vishnu or other gods aren't Bhagavan... I'm just telling about specific word 'Bhagavan'...
The Vedas mention Lord Shiva as Bhagavan. And, there is no scriptures which has more authority than Vedas . So, there is no way one should stop praying to a Vedic deity who is described as Bhagavan in the Vedas. Similarly for other Vedic deities. Their worship is ordained in the Vedic scriptures ...
@Rickross you may use other quotes like 'sarvavyapi sa Bhagavan tasmaat sarvagata Shiva' from Svetasvatara Upanishad... and ' ब्रह्म स एकः य एकः स रुद्रः य रुद्रः यो रुद्रः स ईशानः य ईशानः स भगवान् महेश्वरः' frim Atharvasiras...
@Rickross if you want specific from Samhita only also I can provide you Sri Rudram part of Maitryani Samhita....
@Tezz Oh. Any other proofs? In most Rudram version we find this verse/mantra. But i have not read the Yajur Veda Samhita yet so can't comment with conviction.
@Rickross I have read SriRudram section of all 4 Samhitas of Yajurveda... but none of them mention that verse... but It's possible that it was in some lost Shakha... but we can't do anything fir lost Shakha...
@Tezz ohh.. I will ask a question. More importantly, it says Bhujagendra Haram. I think Rudra is not described with snake but Shiva is descibed with snake.
@SS. The thing isn't whether it's popular or not... what we are talking is about whether it's in Samhita or not... and anyway Maitryaniya Shakha is still surviving branch of Yajurveda...
@SS. One reason what makes Taittariya and Vajasaneyi famous is they are translated in English...
@TheDestroyer I think Baudhayana Griha/Shrauta sutras also contain 'Nagayajnopavitinam' while describing Rudra Poojas... so it's possible that wearing of snake is also mentioned somewhere in Vedas...
@TheDestroyer I think I should also ask question about origin of the mantra 'Om Namo Bhagavate Rudrãye'.... I was planning it from long time... I think I'll ask it now...
Karpur Gauram Karunavtaaram is an ancient Sanskrit śloka related to Lord Shiva, and a popular aarti in Shaivism. It is found in Yajurveda, one of the four canonical texts of Hinduism, the Vedas.
शिवयजुर्मन्त्र
Śivayajurmantra
कर्पूरगौरं करुणावतारम्
संसारसारं भुजगेन्द्रहारम् |
सदा वसन्तं हृदयारविन्दे
भवं भवानीसहितं नमामि ||
karpūragauraṁ karuṇāvatāraṁ
sansārsāram bhujagendrahāram |
sadāvasantaṁ hṛdayāravinde
bhavaṁ bhavānīsahitaṁ namāmi ||
== Word to word meaning ==
karpūragauraṁ : The one who is as pure/white as a camphor(karpur) karuṇāvatāraṁ: The personification of compassion
sansārsāram : The...
@SS. None of the Vedas have all part intact... we have lost many Brahmanas of a Samhita too.. similarly many Aranyakas and many Upanishads... so we use just available parts...
@SS. While of Kapisthala Shakha Samhita is also fragmentarily found...
Some of his essays are from BG but his own opinions. @TheDestroyer
> Disclaimer: All the opinions expressed in this article are the opinions of Dr. Seshadri Kumar alone and should not be construed to mean the opinions of any other person or organization, unless explicitly stated otherwise in the article.
No, it is not.
According to Krishna in the Gita, one's varNa is a consequence of his innate guNas (pre-natal qualities attached to the soul or AtmA), which are determined by his actions in past births (karmas), over millions of past births. The guNas that a person possesses at the time of his de...
@SS. Yes. He was true Sudra by Guna. But still i think this is interpolation.
So you are not interested in analysis? I have done original analysis on Hindu scripture, and I would like people to read it. Or are you too close minded to consider that? Is it because you disagree with what I say that you are trying to silence me? Is there room here for differing opinions or not? My articles refer to statements by great saints like Shankara, Ramanuja, Madhva, Jnaneshwar, etc. They are very long, so I cannot reproduce those arguments here without making my posts huge. So I am giving the link. What's wrong with that? — Seshadri Kumar7 mins ago
@LakshmiNarayanan Don't know the number but most of the literature is lost. One of the reasons is discontinuation of the oral tradition, lack of digital versions. Many shakhas ended with Vedic scholars with their death.
@SS. Oral Tradition is underestimated due to western expectation of what constitutes history that has and is setting the global trend in the study of history. Anthropological accounts are only slowly being considered as valuable source of history and information and accounts of way of life. Check this article to get an idea -> aeon.co/essays/…
@SwiftPushkar Oh yes I just remembered Daruka Vana... it is forest where Shiva and Vishnu had gone to test sages taking form of man and women... Shiva takes form of nude man... and sages curse Shiva...
@LakshmiNarayanan Shakhawise more than 98% Shakha has been lost as I discuss here:
Regarding loss of Shakha we can make calculation based on the no. of present Shakha. For instance Kurma Purana Purva Bhaga Chapter 52 gives this data;
एकविंशतिभेदेन ऋग्वेदं कृतवान् पुरा ।
शाखानान्तु शतेनैव यजुर्वेदमथाकरोत् ।।
सामवेदं सहस्रेण शाखानां प्रविभेद स ।
अथर्वाणमथोवेदं विभेद कुश...
In Baahubali Telugu song, (Saahore Baahubali), Song says "Shivudiana " or "Bhavudaina", which means Shiva or Bhava can't be compared with Mother. I think Bhava here means not SHiva, as he can't say Shiva two times.
@Tezz One of the Telugu meanings of word Bhava (Bhavudu) means ignorant. Maybe it is derived that one who doesn't know about Bhava (wordly existence or Lord Bhava).
@Tezz Telugu title song is released in Youtube, see it.
@Tezz Same Print. Distributors store the movie in Servers and some people hacked them and release online. Even Pirates of carribean new movie was hacked by Wannacry Hackers. Sad thing is movie is not yet released.
@Tezz They called Producers of Baahubali and asked money. Producers launched a complaint to Hyderabad police and caught hackers in Bihar.
@Tezz Yeah. I know destroyer of wordly existence. But in Telugu one of the meanings is ignorant and same meaning applies to song also.
Many people hope that dropping or changing their last names will help them escape from the caste system. Caste and Varna are two different things..In Bengal many groups with Shudra last names have gone up the caste ladder. Vivekananda is a prime example. He is really from a Shudra background but by the time he was born his group has moved up to Kshatriya caste. — Pradip Gangopadhyay30 mins ago
I think he meant Swami Vivekananda was born in low caste not "Sudra varna".
@TheDestroyer in Mahabharata there is story of Shudra Matanga who wants to become Brahmin... he meditates on Lord Indra but Indra says it is very difficult to become Brahmin from Shudra... and finally he gets Deva like status...
"Matanga said, 'Let me be possessed of the power of assuming any form at will, and journeying through the skies and let me enjoy whatever pleasures I may set my heart upon. And let me also have the willing adorations of both Brahmanas and Kshatriyas. I bow to thee by bending my head, O god. It behoveth thee to do that also by which my fame, O Purandara, May live for ever in the world.'
@TheDestroyer No the joke is that All boys are named after their grandfather for first name and last name is dad's name - so each lineage needs to keep track of just two names
@TheDestroyer So it keeps cycling like if Dad is Venkatraman Ramachandran, then son is Ramachandran Venkatraman lol
@LakshmiNarayanan This is Puranic reference. Puranas equate Bhagavan to Vishnu and Iswara to Shiva. But i believe both Iswara and Bhagavan are one and same.
@LakshmiNarayanan If Vedas mention Bhagavan as Rudra only, i can't do anything on that.
@LakshmiNarayanan Simple analogy is, you look different in your childhood and you look different in your old age. But we are discussing about "you" not about two different persons.
@LakshmiNarayanan Yeah. They are different aspects of one Brahman. But whether they are real or not, doesn't matter. We are not discussing Advaita here. :)
As I discuss in this question, by far the most popular school of Hindu philosophy is the Vedanta school, which bases its tenets on the doctrines laid out in the Brahma Sutras, a work by the sage Vyasa which summarizes and systematizes the philosophical teachings of the Upanishads. You can read th...