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SS.
3:31 AM
in Agama and Tantra, 15 hours ago, by Tezz
@Rickross @TheDestroyer Yeah... as per my knowledge upto now 'Bhagvan' in Vedas is used to denote Rudra only....
So @Tezz this is what called supporting all?
 
 
1 hour later…
4:41 AM
@SS. Yeah, It is what I've found upto now in Vedas as per my knowledge... you can make me aware if you find 'Bhagvan' in Vedas is used to address other deities also... certainly Valmiki Ramayana, Mahabharata and Puranas call many deities as 'Bhagavan'... but I'm talking of Vedas...
 
@SS. what's wrong in it? How does this make he is not supporting others? If Vedas call Rudra only as Bhagavan, do you blame vedas for not supporting other dieties?
 
5:02 AM
@Tezz Vishnu is called Bhagavan in various Upanishads.
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@KeshavSrinivasan which Upanishad?..
 
@Tezz I don't remember off the top of my head, but Ramanujacharya quotes some of them in the Sri Bhashya.
 
@KeshavSrinivasan Oh ok... I don't think they are from principle Upanishad... anyways do you know any quotes from Samhita portion too?...
 
5:28 AM
@Tezz As far as I know the word Bhagavan never occurs in the Samhitas of the Vedas.
 
SS.
@TheDestroyer @Tezz You two were the ones who objected when we said Vishnu is the one who is glorified in the vedas.
Your statements contradict. That is what I am saying
You guys are following Vishishtadvaita philosophy without knowing.
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@KeshavSrinivasan What is this then? Namaste astu bhagavanh vishveshvaraya mahadevaya tryambakaya tripurantakaya trikagni kalaya kalagnirudraya nilakanthaya mrutyunjayaya sarveshvaraya sadashivaya shrimanmahadevaya namah
 
6:03 AM
@SS. We never objected when you said Vishnu is the one who is glorified in Vedas. We objected Vishnu is the ONLY one who is glorified in Vedas..
@KeshavSrinivasan I worship Shiva with Mantra, Namaste Astu Bhagavan Viswesvaraya...
 
@Rickross it is not from Samhita...
 
@Tezz Why it is placed at end on Anuvaka one?
 
SS.
@TheDestroyer So how is Tezz's statement different?
 
@KeshavSrinivasan Bhagvan occurs many time in Samhita... like the RigVeda verse 'Aayam Mein Hasto Bhagavan Aayam Mein Bhagavattara, Aayam Mein Hasto Bheshajoyam Shivabhimarshana... " and so on... also in Maitryanai Samhita...
@TheDestroyer it is just for customary recitation...
@SS. When did I objected... I'm just saying as far as I'm aware the word 'Bhagvan' is used to denote Rudra only in Vedas...
 
@Tezz What is the original location of that verse?
 
6:09 AM
@KeshavSrinivasan It's from RigVeda 10.61.12... shaivam.org/daily-prayers-hindu-prayer-hub/… also in the Maitryani Samhita of sri Rudram the word 'Bhagvan' occurs...
 
SS.
As per my knowledge upto now 'Bhagvan' in Vedas is used to denote Rudra only... @TheDestroyer
 
@TheDestroyer I don't know.. It is possible that it is from lost Shakha of Vedas... but commentators like Sayana and Bhatta Bhaskara haven't commented on that verse while commenting on Sri Rudram... so it's likely that either its only Puranic or just customary recitation...
 
@SS. you should know it. he never said anything bad about Vishnu. He said Bhagavan is used for Rudra only (from his knowledge).
 
SS.
Most of the maitrayani shakha is lost. @Tezz
 
@Tezz ohh.. But verse is good. Even in Sri Rudram chanting, he chants it with specific intonation.
 
6:14 AM
@SS. Actually I also tell it now... because I'm not claiming Vishnu or other gods aren't Bhagavan... I'm just telling about specific word 'Bhagavan'...
 
SS.
@Tezz Rickross posted an answer citing that verse.
 
@SS. But Maitrayaniya Samhita is intact now also...
 
@Rickross That verse is not found in the Taittiriya Samhita of the Yajur Veda.
 
@Tezz Bhagavan is used in Samhitas. For ex in Atharva Veda samhita we find this- Vayam Bhagavantaha SyAma
 
@SS. Where did he posted?.. I think he posted only comment...
@Rickross Yeah I already know Bhagvan is used in RigVeda...
 
SS.
6:15 AM
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A: According to Bhagvad Gita, Lord Krishna is the ultimate God. So why are there other beliefs in Hinduism?

RickrossThe Vedas mention Lord Shiva as Bhagavan. And, there is no scriptures which has more authority than Vedas . So, there is no way one should stop praying to a Vedic deity who is described as Bhagavan in the Vedas. Similarly for other Vedic deities. Their worship is ordained in the Vedic scriptures ...

 
@SS. Oh I didn't knew that... @Rickross your answer is wrong there...
 
@Rickross You can edit with Rigveda verse for Rudra.
 
@Rickross you may use other quotes like 'sarvavyapi sa Bhagavan tasmaat sarvagata Shiva' from Svetasvatara Upanishad... and '
ब्रह्म स एकः य एकः स रुद्रः य रुद्रः यो रुद्रः स ईशानः य
ईशानः स भगवान् महेश्वरः' frim Atharvasiras...
@Rickross if you want specific from Samhita only also I can provide you Sri Rudram part of Maitryani Samhita....
 
SS.
@Tezz Only some scholars know it.
 
@Rickross and even in Taittariya and Vajasaneyi 10th Anuvaka we find 'Tãshãmishãno Bhagava'... and one Anuvaka contains 'Namaste Astu Bhagava..'...
@SS. Which thing.. ?..
 
6:22 AM
@Tezz Do you know location of karpūragauraṁ karuṇāvatāraṁ in Yajurveda?
 
@Tezz i don't understand what's wrong in the answer? In Sri Rudram we chant it. Plus there are other descriptions of Rudra as Bhagavan i know that.
 
@Rickross the thing is that is that verse is not found in YajurVeda... and you have quoted it as Yajurveda...
 
@Tezz Oh.
 
@Rickross Sayana and Bhatta Bhaskara also haven't commented on that verse while commenting on Sri Rudram...
@TheDestroyer I don't think Karpuragauram verse is from YajurVeda... but Internet is full of things that it is from YajurVeda ..
 
@Tezz Oh. Any other proofs? In most Rudram version we find this verse/mantra. But i have not read the Yajur Veda Samhita yet so can't comment with conviction.
 
SS.
6:27 AM
@Tezz Maitrayani shakha of Yajurveda
 
@Rickross I have read SriRudram section of all 4 Samhitas of Yajurveda... but none of them mention that verse... but It's possible that it was in some lost Shakha... but we can't do anything fir lost Shakha...
 
@Tezz ohh.. I will ask a question. More importantly, it says Bhujagendra Haram. I think Rudra is not described with snake but Shiva is descibed with snake.
 
@SS. The thing isn't whether it's popular or not... what we are talking is about whether it's in Samhita or not... and anyway Maitryaniya Shakha is still surviving branch of Yajurveda...
 
@Tezz Ok i will see how to edit my answer later.
 
@SS. One reason what makes Taittariya and Vajasaneyi famous is they are translated in English...
@TheDestroyer I think Baudhayana Griha/Shrauta sutras also contain 'Nagayajnopavitinam' while describing Rudra Poojas... so it's possible that wearing of snake is also mentioned somewhere in Vedas...
 
6:32 AM
@Tezz ohh..ok. Do you know any verses from vedas which give such description to Rudra?
 
@TheDestroyer I think I should also ask question about origin of the mantra 'Om Namo Bhagavate Rudrãye'.... I was planning it from long time... I think I'll ask it now...
 
@Tezz ok. I will ask Karpoora garam question.
 
@TheDestroyer I'm not aware of any such verses upto now....
 
@Tezz See references for the verse in Wikipedia.
Karpur Gauram Karunavtaaram is an ancient Sanskrit śloka related to Lord Shiva, and a popular aarti in Shaivism. It is found in Yajurveda, one of the four canonical texts of Hinduism, the Vedas. शिवयजुर्मन्त्र Śivayajurmantra कर्पूरगौरं करुणावतारम् संसारसारं भुजगेन्द्रहारम् | सदा वसन्तं हृदयारविन्दे भवं भवानीसहितं नमामि || karpūragauraṁ karuṇāvatāraṁ sansārsāram bhujagendrahāram | sadāvasantaṁ hṛdayāravinde bhavaṁ bhavānīsahitaṁ namāmi || == Word to word meaning == karpūragauraṁ : The one who is as pure/white as a camphor(karpur) karuṇāvatāraṁ: The personification of compassion sansārsāram : The...
one of the links is
 
@TheDestroyer do any of these quote the specific place where it is...?
 
6:39 AM
@Tezz I can't see Devi chand Yajurveda Translation. I will search on Shaivam.org and if i can't find, i will ask a question.
 
@TheDestroyer I'm almost sure it isn't in Taittariya and Vajasaneyi Shakha... it's possible that it is in Kathaka and Maitryayani Shakha..
 
@Tezz This mantra will be tight slap to those who say Rudra is evolved as Shiva in Puranas.
 
@TheDestroyer I don't think this quote is also needed... Sri Rudram alone proves Rudra and Shiva are same... 😀😀
 
@Tezz Yeah. But Still it says Bhugagendra haram and BhavamBhavani..like Puranas.
 
@TheDestroyer Bhava is popular name of Shiva in Vedas... and by default consort of Bhava is 'Bhavani' ... so it is just common thing...
@TheDestroyer however Bhujagendra Haaram would be new discovery ....
 
6:47 AM
@Tezz yeah. Sanskrit thing.
 
SS.
@Tezz Only some part of it is intact. Only some vedic scholars are knowledgeable in that shakha.
 
@SS. None of the Vedas have all part intact... we have lost many Brahmanas of a Samhita too.. similarly many Aranyakas and many Upanishads... so we use just available parts...
@SS. While of Kapisthala Shakha Samhita is also fragmentarily found...
 
7:33 AM
@KeshavSrinivasan oh! ok
 
 
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SS.
10:48 AM
@TheDestroyer leftbrainwave.com is his own website. The essays there are his research essays.
 
@SS. is he advertizing?
If yes, they should be deleted.
 
SS.
@TheDestroyer Don't know.
Some of his essays are from BG but his own opinions. @TheDestroyer
> Disclaimer: All the opinions expressed in this article are the opinions of Dr. Seshadri Kumar alone and should not be construed to mean the opinions of any other person or organization, unless explicitly stated otherwise in the article.
 
@SS. Yeah. blogs are also not allowed for same reason.
Others have cited blogs. Why can I not do the same? — Seshadri Kumar 1 min ago
 
SS.
He is saying that Gita and Hindu scriptures allow caste discrimination.
There are some scriptural sources in the essay.
 
@SS. I don't understand whether he is supporting or rejecting. See his other answer.
But without going into technicalities. we shouldn't allow advertizing.
 
SS.
10:53 AM
Supporting or rejecting what?
 
Caste system
@SS. this answer
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A: Examples of Varna migration in Hindu mythology?

Seshadri KumarNo, it is not. According to Krishna in the Gita, one's varNa is a consequence of his innate guNas (pre-natal qualities attached to the soul or AtmA), which are determined by his actions in past births (karmas), over millions of past births. The guNas that a person possesses at the time of his de...

 
SS.
I am reading that. @TheDestroyer
Did you see his first answer?
 
@SS. Yeah. He was blaming Hindu scriptures. I thought due to his left ideology.
 
SS.
Shambuka was killed because he was chanting mantras and causing problems to the Devatas and worlds. Not simply because he was Shudra.
 
@SS. Yes. He was true Sudra by Guna. But still i think this is interpolation.
So you are not interested in analysis? I have done original analysis on Hindu scripture, and I would like people to read it. Or are you too close minded to consider that? Is it because you disagree with what I say that you are trying to silence me? Is there room here for differing opinions or not? My articles refer to statements by great saints like Shankara, Ramanuja, Madhva, Jnaneshwar, etc. They are very long, so I cannot reproduce those arguments here without making my posts huge. So I am giving the link. What's wrong with that? — Seshadri Kumar 7 mins ago
 
11:09 AM
@Yogi - haha , aare nahi roj nahi jagat max 11 pm , kaal zop yet navati mahnun 😴
 
11:22 AM
@Tezz - Found 3 forests Daruka van (dwadasha jyotirling stotra ,) , (Dawaita forest & kamyaka forest) mahabharata
 
Is the claim that there are secret Shakhas?
 
11:37 AM
@LakshmiNarayanan - Will give you answer tomorrow 🔜📝😊
Hey all meet u tomorrow bye 😊🌷👍
 
@SwiftPushkar ok cool! eagerly waiting :)
 
SS.
@LakshmiNarayanan But there are lost shakhas.
 
@SS. Yes, i heard of this - I also heard that almost all the samaveda shakhas are lost except three - 997/1000 is a great loss.
 
SS.
@LakshmiNarayanan Don't know the number but most of the literature is lost. One of the reasons is discontinuation of the oral tradition, lack of digital versions. Many shakhas ended with Vedic scholars with their death.
 
@SS. It's a damn shame.
@SS. Oral Tradition is underestimated due to western expectation of what constitutes history that has and is setting the global trend in the study of history. Anthropological accounts are only slowly being considered as valuable source of history and information and accounts of way of life. Check this article to get an idea -> aeon.co/essays/…
 
SS.
11:50 AM
@LakshmiNarayanan All the shakhas we find out now a days should be considered secret.
 
@SS. yes that makes sense, are there new shakhas discovered recently?
 
SS.
@LakshmiNarayanan Some portions of Maitrayani shakha of Yajurveda have been found(I think it is not the correct word).
 
@SS. oh wow
 
SS.
Revived is the right word I think.
 
@SS. yes, perfect :)
 
12:25 PM
@SwiftPushkar Oh yes I just remembered Daruka Vana... it is forest where Shiva and Vishnu had gone to test sages taking form of man and women... Shiva takes form of nude man... and sages curse Shiva...
@LakshmiNarayanan Shakhawise more than 98% Shakha has been lost as I discuss here:
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A: Can it be precisely known exactly how much amount of Vedas has been lost?

TezzRegarding loss of Shakha we can make calculation based on the no. of present Shakha. For instance Kurma Purana Purva Bhaga Chapter 52 gives this data; एकविंशतिभेदेन ऋग्वेदं कृतवान् पुरा । शाखानान्तु शतेनैव यजुर्वेदमथाकरोत् ।। सामवेदं सहस्रेण शाखानां प्रविभेद स । अथर्वाणमथोवेदं विभेद कुश...

 
1:20 PM
@Tezz Same story happened in Chidambaram.
 
@TheDestroyer where did you read that...?..
 
@Tezz Does "Bhava" also mean ignorant?
@Tezz Chidamabara Nataraja Swamy temple Sthala Purana.
In Baahubali Telugu song, (Saahore Baahubali), Song says "Shivudiana " or "Bhavudaina", which means Shiva or Bhava can't be compared with Mother. I think Bhava here means not SHiva, as he can't say Shiva two times.
I think Bhava (Bhavudu) is ignorant.
 
@TheDestroyer where did you read 'Bhava' means ignorance... Bhava means 'who is the origin'...
 
@Tezz
 
@TheDestroyer Oh ok...
 
1:25 PM
@Tezz One of the Telugu meanings of word Bhava (Bhavudu) means ignorant. Maybe it is derived that one who doesn't know about Bhava (wordly existence or Lord Bhava).
@Tezz Telugu title song is released in Youtube, see it.
 
@TheDestroyer Oh ok....I'll see it...
@TheDestroyer yeah it may be deriving idea from 'Bhavasãgar' or 'Worldly existence'...
 
@Tezz Yeah. But when i heard first time, i was confused why it was saying Shiva two times. I thought Author wasn't aware.
@Tezz Actually, Hindi and Tamil DVDrip came. I think hackers hacked servers.
 
@TheDestroyer Oh ok...
@TheDestroyer haha... in laptop we already watched in very good quality 1 week ago...
 
@Tezz Yes. Producers filed complaint. Hacker blackmailed producers.
 
@TheDestroyer how blackmailed?..
 
1:32 PM
@Tezz Same Print. Distributors store the movie in Servers and some people hacked them and release online. Even Pirates of carribean new movie was hacked by Wannacry Hackers. Sad thing is movie is not yet released.
@Tezz They called Producers of Baahubali and asked money. Producers launched a complaint to Hyderabad police and caught hackers in Bihar.
 
@TheDestroyer oh I didn't know... how much blackmailers demanded for Bahubali 2?...
 
@Tezz Don't remember exact money. Saw in a Telugu news channel.
 
@TheDestroyer Oh so they are the one who released Hindi DVDrip... ?
 
@Tezz This site has news in Hindi.
@Tezz I guess they only. Not so sure. Else, how can they get DVDrip even when movie is playing in theaters.
 
@TheDestroyer regarding word 'Bhava' I just remembered another thing from Tandava Stotra... 'Smarantakam Purantakam Bhavaantakam Makhãntakam...
 
1:38 PM
@Tezz I think Hindi movies leak very soon online. I think most of the prints are leaked from servers of distributors.
 
@TheDestroyer literally it can mean destroyer of Bhava... Shiva destroyed Bhava sense...
 
@Tezz Yeah. I know destroyer of wordly existence. But in Telugu one of the meanings is ignorant and same meaning applies to song also.
Many people hope that dropping or changing their last names will help them escape from the caste system. Caste and Varna are two different things..In Bengal many groups with Shudra last names have gone up the caste ladder. Vivekananda is a prime example. He is really from a Shudra background but by the time he was born his group has moved up to Kshatriya caste. — Pradip Gangopadhyay 30 mins ago
I think he meant Swami Vivekananda was born in low caste not "Sudra varna".
@Tezz
 
@TheDestroyer in Mahabharata there is story of Shudra Matanga who wants to become Brahmin... he meditates on Lord Indra but Indra says it is very difficult to become Brahmin from Shudra... and finally he gets Deva like status...
 
@Tezz Yeah. Brahmin is the one who knows Brahman according to Vajra Suchika Upanishad. Devas definitely don't know Brahman like us.
 
@TheDestroyer it's likely that Vajra Suchika is not an authentic Upanishadm.. but still we can say it...
 
1:49 PM
@Tezz ohh.. But in what sense he said he can't become Brahmin. Panchakshari mantra can make Sudra a Brahmin.
Either that MhB part is interpolation or Linga Purana verse is interpolation or we are missing some connection or we are missing context.
@Tezz Is that part of Anusasana Parva? If yes, we can consider it as interpolation.
 
@TheDestroyer Indra uses the word 'Duahkaram' .. he isn't saying Impossible he is saying very difficult...
Yes it's Anushashana parva...
 
@Pandya Hi
 
@Tezz ohh ok. Now makes sense. I think Indra meant Brahmin is the one who knows Brahman.
 
@Tezz Interesting, so it's not possible to know how much verses lost?
 
@LakshmiNarayanan Hi!
 
1:54 PM
@Tezz Actually, i read it as "not possible" instead of difficult.
 
@TheDestroyer also Matanga meditated on Indra... he should have meditated on Shiva or Vishnu...
 
@TheDestroyer Nothing is impossible in this illusory world! Haha
 
He finally asks this boon from Indra:
"Matanga said, 'Let me be possessed of the power of assuming any form at will, and journeying through
the skies and let me enjoy whatever pleasures I may set my heart upon. And let me also have the willing
adorations of both Brahmanas and Kshatriyas. I bow to thee by bending my head, O god. It behoveth
thee to do that also by which my fame, O Purandara, May live for ever in the world.'
 
@Pandya How are you?
 
@Pandya Possible and impossible are part of Maya. We have to see something beyond them. Haha.
 
1:56 PM
@TheDestroyer "We have to see something beyond them" is also part of Maya! Haha
@LakshmiNarayanan fine and How are you?
 
@Pandya haha lol...😀😀
 
@Pandya well said
@Pandya I'm well, have recently started learning the 4000 :)
 
@Pandya part of maya which takes us out of Maya :P
 
@Tezz You know I like the "Beyond-ness" concept of Advaita!
I mean Neti-Neti...
 
@LakshmiNarayanan very few things can be known from works of ancient commentators... but we can't have exact information...
 
1:58 PM
@Pandya Do you read poetry?
@Tezz I like your estimation of Shakhas lost, shame that similar kind of statistics is not available on verses in the puranas
 
@LakshmiNarayanan Good! Best of Luck!
 
@LakshmiNarayanan Are you male or female, if you don't mind?
 
@Pandya haha yeah.. btw nowadays I'm studying works related to Kashmiri Shaivism..
 
@LakshmiNarayanan which poetry?
 
@TheDestroyer I'm One and I'm All :P I'm male, it's not first name Lakshmi and last name Narayanan, it's first name -> LakshmiNarayanan
@Pandya In general i meant
 
2:00 PM
@LakshmiNarayanan ohh ok.. I thought Narayanan was your father's name.
 
@TheDestroyer No it is from my Grandparents' names :)
@TheDestroyer I'm not sure if you know of this joke on Tamil Brahmins - they have only two names in a given lineage ;)
 
@LakshmiNarayanan ohh.. But nice name. LakshmiNarayanan (though it sounds more cool in Telugu: Lakshmi Narayana :P) :P
 
@TheDestroyer Haha, if you want you can truncate there as well :D
 
@LakshmiNarayanan ohh.. I didn't know. For Sri Vaishnava lineage, what are the two names?
 
@TheDestroyer No the joke is that All boys are named after their grandfather for first name and last name is dad's name - so each lineage needs to keep track of just two names
@TheDestroyer So it keeps cycling like if Dad is Venkatraman Ramachandran, then son is Ramachandran Venkatraman lol
 
2:05 PM
@LakshmiNarayanan ohh ok got you. But it's quite common across India (i can say at least in Andhra).
 
@Tezz ok. Yes, Rathore is also studying KS
@LakshmiNarayanan In regular chanting?
 
@Pandya No like poems and stuff, not just sacred hymns
 
@LakshmiNarayanan oh! ok. No, I don't :(
 
2:25 PM
@Pandya :(
 
@SwiftPushkar Accha baki kay hal chal
 
3:33 PM
@LakshmiNarayanan what?
 
@TheDestroyer For Your Information :)
 
@LakshmiNarayanan i don't understand why you mentioned that comment?
 
@TheDestroyer in relation to earlier discussion about Bhagavan reference to Vishnu, thought you would find this info helpful.
 
@LakshmiNarayanan This is Puranic reference. Puranas equate Bhagavan to Vishnu and Iswara to Shiva. But i believe both Iswara and Bhagavan are one and same.
@LakshmiNarayanan If Vedas mention Bhagavan as Rudra only, i can't do anything on that.
 
@TheDestroyer Upanishads are part of the Vedas yes?
 
3:37 PM
@LakshmiNarayanan Yes. Which Upanishads say Bhagavan is Vishnu?
See, it doesn't really matter to me if Upanishads call him Bhagavan or not. I see both Rudra and Vishnu as one and same.
 
SS.
@TheDestroyer That answer is not spam IMO.
 
@SS. Let's see if he includes his site in more answers.
 
SS.
@TheDestroyer But his site has scriptures. But he analysing caste system with a leftist view.
 
@SS. Yeah. When i said that, he was thinking i targeted him. Maybe more comments from other users or downvotes(?) may help.
 
@TheDestroyer So are you saying that various divine aspects of the Brahman are true?
 
SS.
3:44 PM
We can only ask him to quote respective content from the article. Just like he did for the answer with 1 upvote. @TheDestroyer
 
@LakshmiNarayanan Simple analogy is, you look different in your childhood and you look different in your old age. But we are discussing about "you" not about two different persons.
 
SS.
A lot had happened in the comment section. @TheDestroyer
 
@TheDestroyer but are these respective aspects true when they are present?
 
@SS. Try telling him. I already told him.
@LakshmiNarayanan what aspects?
 
@TheDestroyer in your analogy, childhood and adulthood
 
3:49 PM
@LakshmiNarayanan what do you mean by true?
 
@TheDestroyer real, existent, present, etc,.
 
@LakshmiNarayanan I don't understand how are they relevant here?
Going for dinner.
will discuss later.
 
@TheDestroyer You said Rudra and Vishnu are aspects of the same...according to your analogy
 
4:44 PM
@LakshmiNarayanan Yeah. They are different aspects of one Brahman. But whether they are real or not, doesn't matter. We are not discussing Advaita here. :)
 
 
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6:01 PM
@Tezz @TheDestroyer @Rickross @RakeshJoshi @RohitSinghRathore I just posted a question related to Shaivism:
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Q: Which Shaiva Agamas does Appayya Dikshitar consider Vedic and non-Vedic?

Keshav SrinivasanAs I discuss in this question, by far the most popular school of Hindu philosophy is the Vedanta school, which bases its tenets on the doctrines laid out in the Brahma Sutras, a work by the sage Vyasa which summarizes and systematizes the philosophical teachings of the Upanishads. You can read th...

@Pandya You may also be interested in it, as it deals with the Brahma Sutras' criticism of the Shaiva Agamas.
 
@TheDestroyer No, we are discussing VA only ;)
 

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