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Pandya
Pandya
3:31 AM
@KeshavSrinivasan Btw, when I visited Venkateshwara Mandir of Khorasa, I asked priest about two idols both of sides and he replied that they're dwarpala Jay & Vijay. What's the story of Jay & Vijay or they symbolise something?
 
 
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The Destroyer
The Destroyer
5:09 AM
Jaya-Vijaya
Jaya and Vijaya are the two demigod gatekeepers (Dvarapala) of the abode of Vishnu, known as Vaikuntha (meaning place of eternal bliss). == Curse of the four Kumaras == According to a story from Bhagavata Purana, the Four Kumaras, Sanaka, Sanandana, Sanatana, and Sanatkumara who are the manasputras of Brahma (sons born from the mind or thought power of Brahma), visited Vaikuntha, the abode of Vishnu, to see him. Due to the strength of their tapas, the four Kumaras appear to be mere children, though they are of great age. Jaya and Vijaya, the gate keepers of the Vaikuntha interrupt the Kumaras...
@Pandya Those Dwarapalakas were born on earth as Rakshasas and Vishnu took Avatars to kill them.
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
5:27 AM
@Tezz - hmm ,interesting , what is this story , where it is ?
@Yogi -Bas Baki thik thak serva :)
 
SS.
SS.
5:42 AM
@SwiftPushkar Did you add Nandanavana? Favorite forest of Indra?
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
@SwiftPushkar There is one forest where Shiva and Parvati sports and suddenly King Ila of Suryavamsi enters forest and becomes women and Ila marries Chandra Vamsi king. First Inter Vamsa Marriage.
Ila was son of Vaivasvara Manu.
 
SS.
SS.
shubha Dinam @TheDestroyer @SwiftPushkar
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
@SS. @SwiftPushkar Namaskaram!
 
SS.
SS.
@SwiftPushkar Is there a reason why you added Swift in your name?
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
5:59 AM
@SS. - Ohh yes , nice find :) I will add that in answer , will update answer today , Thanks :)
@TheDestroyer - Yes , Namskaram , how are you :)
 
The Destroyer
The Destroyer
@SwiftPushkar Fine bro! what about you?
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@SS. - No , there is no particular reason , but some time back I was using /learning a 3D software called swift 3D , at that time taken the name of that software and added it to my name to get a little flavor to my name :)
@TheDestroyer - yes me too , probably give couple of answers today :) & will update two -three answers :)
 
 
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SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
7:13 AM
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A: Examples of Varna migration in Hindu mythology?

SwiftPushkarIs migration between Varna really allowed in Hinduism ? Yes , the migration between Varnas are allowed in Hinduism and the topic is discussed in Mahabharata - Book 13: Anusasana Parva SECTION CXLIII through conversation between Devi Uma & Lord Mahadeva. Here are the excerpts-: The boon...

 
Tezz
Tezz
@SwiftPushkar it's mentioned in Kurma Purana...
@SwiftPushkar nice answer... you can also add how Sudra Matanga got the status of being adored by Brahamans and Kshatriyas through his penances...
 
SS.
SS.
@Tezz That is already added in another answer by Sheshadri kumar
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@Tezz - ohh , ok , i will see that story πŸ˜ŠπŸ’πŸ’πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸŒ· Thanks
@Tezz - Yes ,will add "Satyakama Jabala" story in answerπŸ‘πŸ‘
 
SS.
SS.
@SwiftPushkar I am not sure they are varna migrations.
Becoming a brahmana and becoming a sage are not same. IMO.
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@SS. - No they are not varna migrations , but as i have answerd the question "Is it allowed" & just pointing towards the possibility & allowance of varna migration πŸ˜ŠπŸ‘πŸ‘
 
Tezz
Tezz
7:21 AM
@SS. That answer says "Indra said this was absolutely impossible.." actually Indra doesn't say it's impossible... he uses the term 'Dushkaram'... or very difficult...
 
SS.
SS.
@Tezz yes. I said his answer mentioned Matanga already
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
8:12 AM
@Tezz - satyakama jabala story is mentioned by swami vishwananda , I think I need to find another similar storyπŸ˜€ πŸ‘¬
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
8:48 AM
@SS. - I have searched about Nanandan-Vana but it seems that it is more like a Garden than forest.Its a garden of indra πŸ˜ŠπŸŒ²πŸŒ΄πŸŒ΅πŸŒΎπŸŒΏπŸŒ·πŸ‘πŸ‘
 
SS.
SS.
9:02 AM
@SwiftPushkar OK. But did you see my comment to your answer?
Chitrakuta is a mountain. Not a forest. — Sree Charan yesterday
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@SS. - Yes i know that , I will try to find more info.about forest chitrakuta and will update the answer ,OR will simply del.that portion if no info found 😊 πŸ‘πŸ‘
@SS. - Also there is another Nandanvana near gokula , trying for that alsoπŸ˜€
@SS. - Is it the guy from movie "UP" in your DP? , do you like scouting? , I do like it most πŸ˜€β›ΊπŸŽπŸŠπŸš΅πŸŽ―
 
SS.
SS.
@SwiftPushkar Yes. Russell from Up.
@SwiftPushkar I have not done scouting in my life.
Thank God. Some one has recognised.
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
@SS. - haha ,I was about to say this since the day i saw your DP ,but somehow forgot to ask you πŸ˜ƒπŸ‘πŸ‘
 
SS.
SS.
@SwiftPushkar That's great.
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
9:18 AM
@SS. - Me either , but I am grt.fan of outdoor activities like hiking in forest ,camping on forest's and on forts , mountain climbing etc. this is my Passion πŸ—»
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
9:58 AM
@SS. @Tezz - see my updated answer abt.forests
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
10:21 AM
@TriyugiNarayanMani - Hii , How are you? , What's going on , Nice to see you active again πŸŒ·πŸ‘πŸ‘
 
 
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Triyugi Narayan Mani
Triyugi Narayan Mani
11:29 AM
@SwiftPushkar I am good. What about you?
 
 
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Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
12:38 PM
@Pandya Oh, you haven't heard of Jaya and Vijaya? See my answer here:
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A: Was Ravana actually a villain? Or was he a devotee of Lord Vishnu?

Keshav SrinivasanAs far as Ravana was concerned, he had a genuine enmity with Rama. But Ravana and Kumbhakarna were actually incarnations of two great devotees of Vishnu, Jaya and Vijaya. The story is told in this chapter and this chapter of the Srimad Bhagavatam. Among the oldest beings in creation are the S...

 
Pandya
Pandya
@KeshavSrinivasan oh! I just remembered that my grandfather had told me that story long time ago.
 
 
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Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
2:52 PM
@Tezz @Pandya I just found a work that I'd been looking for for a long time, Appayya Dikshitar's Siddhantalesha Sangraha: archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.211961 It's a work that summarizes the views of lots of different subschools of Advaita.
@Tezz @Pandya Just by looking at the table of contents you can see the various disagreements that Advaitins had with one another.
@Tezz @Pandya In the olden days, students studying in Advaita Ashrams would start their Vedanta education by reading the Siddhantalesha Sangraha. Only after that would they read Adi Shankaracharya's Brahma Sutra Bhashya and the various subcommentaries on it. That way they would be able to form their own opinions on what sub-school of Advaita was correct.
 
Tezz
Tezz
@KeshavSrinivasan I think they differ in things like Aakas-Ghatakas vaada, bimba-pratibimba vaada etc...
Ajatavaada, vivartavaada etc...
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@Tezz Yeah, there's a lot of differences. There's differences on whether Avidya is associated with the Jiva or Brahman, differences about whether there's multiple Jivas or not, differences on how to attain Moksha, differences on the nature of Ishwara, etc.
@Tezz By the way, Appayya Dikshitar's personal views were somewhat unusual. It was a sort of mix between the views of Adi Shankaracharya's Advaita philosophy and the views of the Shaiva Siddhanta sect. He believed that Moksha was impossible until all Jivas in the Universe attained Moksha.
 
Tezz
Tezz
3:08 PM
@KeshavSrinivasan Oh ok... I'll download that book and read it..
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@Tezz He thought that Jivas who acquired Jnana went to Mount Kailash when they died, and then only after all the Jivas in the entire Universe went to Mount Kailash would they all be able to attain actual Moksha, i.e. merging with Nirguna Brahman.
 
Tezz
Tezz
@KeshavSrinivasan what is meant by "Moksha is impossible until all Jivas in the Universe attained Moksha."
@KeshavSrinivasan so then there would be no creation after that time?..
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@Tezz It means that as long as there is a single Jiva in the Universe who still has Avidya, no one can attain Moksha.
@Tezz Yeah, after that all creation stops and you just have Nirguna Brahman by itself.
 
Tezz
Tezz
@KeshavSrinivasan btw what do you believe on whether creation will stop in future or not?...
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@Tezz Well, it depends on whether the number of Jivas is finite or infinite. If it's finite, then creation will stop, because in every Mahakalpa at least the Brahma gets Moksha. But if there are infinitely many Jivas then creation can go on forever.
@Tezz But I'm undecided on whether the number of Jivas is finite or infinite.
 
Tezz
Tezz
3:15 PM
@KeshavSrinivasan but for this Jivas should be infinite... or creation should have some beginning... otherwise it's not possible... but even if there are infinite Jeevas they will all get moksha one time...
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@Tezz Well, if there are infinitely many Jivas there need not be any time when all Jivas have attained Moksha.
@Tezz If there are infinitely many Jivas in Samsara today and one Jiva attains Moksha per year, there will never be a time when there are no Jivas in Samsara.
@Tezz By the way, most members of the Vedanta school believe that Jivas have been in Samsara for all eternity, but ISKCON people have a different view. They believe that Jivas have been in Vaikuntha for all eternity, and then occasionally some Jiva in Vaikuntha does something bad and so they're punished by being forced to go into Samsara, and then they eventually attain Moksha and go back to Vaikuntha.
@Tezz But only ISKCON believes that. Other Gaudiya Vaishnavas don't even believe that.
 
Tezz
Tezz
@KeshavSrinivasan but at least ISKCON logically explain it... otherwise Moksha should be type believed by Arya Samaja.. ie. Just for a Kalpa...
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@Tezz By the way, I'm planning to post a question on Arya Samaj's belief regarding that. I want to know how they reconcile that belief with the Brahma Sutras' clear statement that Moksha is eternal.
@Tezz I'd like to see an Arya Samaj commentary on the Brahma Sutras, if any exist.
 
Tezz
Tezz
@KeshavSrinivasan Arya Samaj don't consider Brahma Sutra as authority...
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@Tezz Yes, they do. Dayananda Saraswati discusses the Brahma Sutras in his Satyartha Prakasha.
@Tezz Dayananda Saraswati believed that Adi Shankaracharya, Ramanujacharya, etc. all misinterpret the Brahma Sutras, and that only Baudhayana's Vritti interprets the Brahma Sutras correctly.
 
Tezz
Tezz
3:27 PM
@KeshavSrinivasan also even if Brahma Sutras tell Moksha eternal then also one can consider it as Arthavada ie. For purpose of encouraging for getting Sukha for long time... also it can also be like how Vedas say Vedic gods are immortal... but they aren't really immortal...
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@Tezz Well, the Vedanta school has a different view of Arthavada compared to the Purva Mimamsa school.
@Tezz And the Brahma Sutras don't just arbitrarily say that Moksha is eternal, they present detailed arguments for why it must be eternal.
 
Tezz
Tezz
@KeshavSrinivasan so how does Arya Samaj interpret ApaSudradhikaranam part of Brahma Sutras...
@KeshavSrinivasan btw how does Lingayat commentary on BS intrepret ApaSudhradhikaranam verses... ?..
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@Tezz I'm not sure, I don't know whether there are any Arya Samaj commentaries on the Brahma Sutras.
@Tezz I'm not sure, I haven't been able to find an online version of the Srikara Bhashya, which is Sripati's Lingayat commentary on the Brahma Sutras.
@Tezz I'm planning to post a question asking for the Srikara Bhashya as well.
 
Tezz
Tezz
@KeshavSrinivasan I downloaded one but it doesn't contain exactly his words... it's just like his summary sayings ..
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@Tezz OK, can you send it to me?
 
Tezz
Tezz
3:43 PM
@KeshavSrinivasan btw where does Dayananda Saraswati talks of Brahma Sutra in satyartha prakasha... I just scanned searched it but couldn't find...
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@Tezz C. Hayavadana Rao wrote a two-volume book translating the Srikara Bhashya. Volume 1 is an introduction, and volume 2 is the actual translation. Volume 1 is easily available online: archive.org/details/… But volume 2, which is the one I actually want, doesn't seem to be anywhere online.
 
Tezz
Tezz
@KeshavSrinivasan it's here: archive.org/details/…
@KeshavSrinivasan oh I was talking about the same...
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@Tezz Oh ok, haha
 
Tezz
Tezz
@KeshavSrinivasan otherwise how could it be that I found and you didn't find... πŸ˜€πŸ˜πŸ˜‚πŸ˜€πŸ˜€
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
@Tezz Haha
 
Tezz
Tezz
3:50 PM
@KeshavSrinivasan btw where is Kaudinyas Bhasya in Pasupat sutras avaliable?..
 
Keshav Srinivasan
Keshav Srinivasan
 
Tezz
Tezz
@KeshavSrinivasan isn't there English translation?..
@KeshavSrinivasan I'm confused in some Sanskrit terms of that translation...
 
SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
Ram I don't think Quora answer is considered a good source for answers on this site.Pls.try to give answers from authentic scriptures only , they are more reliable than quora. Don't be hurry in giving answers ,take your time ,you will certainly get good upvotes by giving answers with authentic sources. — SwiftPushkar 3 mins ago
 
 
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SwiftPushkar
SwiftPushkar
5:03 PM
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A: Is killing infidels allowed in Vedas?

SwiftPushkarNo , killing of Infidels are not fully allowed in Vedas. There are some mantras in Atharva-Veda which asks god agni about destroying evil minds of foes , pardoning / Sheltering then , Welcoming those who came to ask pardon /shelter. Destroying only evil-nature or evil-mind of foes and not the pe...

 

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