Vedanta and Philosophy

Tezz

01:36

@TheDestroyer wow... you have become Moderator ... Congratulations!...

@Pandya Congratulations to you to...

8 hours ago, by SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer A Diamond Gift from Lord Shiva on Maha-Shivaratri TO you :)

@SwiftPushkar Yes, it truly seems like a gift...

Pandya

@Tezz Thanks!

The Destroyer

@Tezz Thanks!

Tezz

@TheDestroyer you woke up... or you haven't slept at all...

The Destroyer

@Tezz haven't slept. will sleep now.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Oh ok... enjoy a nice sleep.... merge with Brahman😀😀...

The Destroyer

01:51

@Tezz Yeah. Just broke fast. Will sleep at 8.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Oh ok...

Sree Charan

03:39

@ChinmayaB
Yagnopaveetham paramam pavithram
Prajapatheryasahajam purasthad
Aayushyamagryam prathimuncha shubram
Yagnopaveetham balamasthu thejah

Above sloka describes the sanctity, spirituality and sacredness of Yagnopaveetham and its benefits. It says that, Yagnopaveetham is "the best among those that purify; the one that has emerged along with Brahma (Prajapathi) at the time of creation; that which bestows life (longevity) and prominence; the one that is sacred clean and unsoiled; and the one which confers on to the wearer both knowledge and power.

@ChinmayaBThe sacred thread has evolved along with the prajapathi.

Sree Charan

04:28

What to do when new tags are created? @TheDestroyer @Keshav @AnkitSharma @Pandya

Sree Charan

05:45

@Tezz I posted a question about Dakshina murthy.

Tezz

@SreeCharan yes... I just saw it:...

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A: What scriptures mention Shiva's Dakshinamurthi form?

Dakshinamurty form of Lord Shiva is described in Suta Samhita of Skanda Purana in Mochak Kathanam of Mukti Khanda. Here is the description of form: गड़्गाधरं शिवं शान्तं लसत्केयूरमण्डितम् । सर्वाभरणसंयुक्तं सर्वलक्षणसंयुक्तम् ।। वीरासने समासीनं वेदयज्ञोपवीतिनम् । भस्माधाराभिरामं तं नाग...

Sree Charan

Thanks.I searched for the question but didn't find this. I will edit the question.

Tezz

@SreeCharan Yes... edit it...

Sree Charan

@Tezz I don't like the tag duplicate under my questoion. Ha Ha..

Tezz

@SreeCharan haha... I think noone likes it...

Sree Charan

06:04

@Tezz Congrats on earning another necromancer badge.

SwiftPushkar

Good Morning All :)

Sree Charan

@SwiftPushkar Good morning!!!

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan yes :)

Tezz

06:16

@SreeCharan haha Thank you!... 35 Necromancer badges... hinduism.stackexchange.com/help/badges/17/…

Sree Charan

@Tezz 35 necromancer badges!!! commendable 👏👏

@Tezz I congratulated before you have earned it. Ha Ha..

Tezz

@SreeCharan haha...

Pandya

06:38

@Tezz Congratulation for Necromancer Badges!

Sree Charan

@Pandya You have changed parent profile to Hinduism.SE :)

Tezz

@Pandya Thank You!...

Pandya

@SreeCharan You can make correction like if similar tag already exist then edit the question to replace the tag.

@SreeCharan Yes, I had to change parent profile.

The Destroyer

08:31

@SreeCharan @Tezz I think Suta Samhita answers your question of Dakshninamurthy.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer did you get translation of Suta Samhita?..

The Destroyer

@Tezz No. I didn't. But i think you can get Suta Samhita in Hindi.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer where is it?..

The Destroyer

@Tezz Don't know. remember seeing in Hindi. Not sure.

You can check on archive.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Archive contains in Sanskrit with commentary of Vidyarana...

The Destroyer

08:35

@Tezz Yes. I know. But i think i saw it in Hindi.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Ok I'll search it...

@TheDestroyer btw did you read Isha Upanishad yesterday... ?..

The Destroyer

@Tezz No. I didn't.

Thought to read but did pooja and watched Isha foundation's ceremony.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Oh ok...

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer Is there a detail of that demon?

To Isha foundation, it was adiyogi ratri yesterday. Not mahashivaratri.

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan I think so, as Suta Samhita extensively describes Dakshinamurthy.

Sree Charan

08:47

@TheDestroyer In which chapter suta samhita is there?

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan Suta Samhita is not translated into English or telugu.

Suta Samhita is part of Skanda Purana.

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer It is just transliterated.

The Destroyer

Skanda Purana is available in Khandas and Samhitas.

In Samhitas variant, Suta Samhita is available.

Jan 18 at 8:48, by The Destroyer

@Pandya You might know, Adi Shankara read Suta Samhita of Skanda Purana 21 times before writing bhasya to Brahma Sutras.

SwiftPushkar

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Q: What is meaning of 'Har' ?

I heard "Har Har Mahadev", that is call for "Mahadev" But I want to know the meaning of "Har" in "Har Har Mahadev"?

@TheDestroyer - your fav.sentence :)

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar haha.

Tezz

08:55

I'm writing a short story on Moderator Tatwam of Hinduism SE...

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan yes.

@Tezz lol.

Tezz

MODERATOR TATWAM

Svetaketu the son of Uddalka Aruni went to the sage Upamanyu and asked him 'In the days of Yore Bhava of immeasurable splendor provided you the power to see present,
past and future. I want to know what is happening in this age characterized by the darkness.' To this Upamanyu replied 'Dharma is in the lowest level there in the
present time. Mahavishnu should soon take the incarnation of Kalki to preserve the Sanatana Dharma. The world has been engulfed by the Mleccha Dharma.' Svetaketu again

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SwiftPushkar

09:13

@Tezz -haha- Upamanyu: They Moderate the site. Just as this Universe is moderated by Brahma, Vishnu and Maheswara similarly three Diamond moderators moderate that site.

@Tezz - Excellent ............................................................................... :)

Sree Charan

@Tezz ROFL....

The Destroyer

@Tezz Awesome!

SwiftPushkar

i am on pc so can't use smilies , TAB broken :(

Sree Charan

Upamanyu: He who is Pandya he is Deep and Deep is the light which creates, so his name represents Grandsire Brahma. Also Pandya represents Pa + Anda. And 'Anda'
verily represents the Hiranyagarbha which is Brahma.

Star for this.

The Destroyer

" he shall not suffer from problems of Moderators. "haha.

Tezz

09:16

@SreeCharan @SwiftPushkar @TheDestroyer haha... 😀😀😀

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - Ek Tara mere bhi taraf se :)

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar 😀😀

The Destroyer

@Tezz This is "Trivajra Upanishad".

Tezz

Btw the question which Svetaketu was trying to answer was this:

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Q: Was Shwetaketu born in a previous Kali Yuga?

As I discuss in this answer, how the Vedas originated is that from time immemorial, sages known as Dhrishtas heard sacred verses directly from the gods during a state of Tapasya (deep meditation), and then in the Dwapara Yuga they were compiled into the four books we call the Vedas. But this cha...

mythology mahabharata ramayana yajur-veda chandogya-upanishad

@TheDestroyer haha lol...

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - what is Anand Tandava By shiva , I read somewhere yesterday , but never heard abt.this.

Tezz

09:29

@SwiftPushkar Aananda Tandava means when Shiva dances on joy... Raudra Tandava means when Shiva dances for destruction...

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz oh ok , I was also guessing the same thing :)

Sree Charan

> Swetaketu: Oh sage! How shall this trinity moderate the site and uphold the dharma?

Upamanyu : Dakshina murthy will re-incarnate on earth in the land near Kailasa and creates an account in Hinduism.SE. He will be known by the name Tezz. His display pic will be Dakshina murthy and his answers shall guide people towards enlightment. He will guide this trinity in upholding the dharma. The rudra and Brahma among the diamond trinity shall recognise him by the name Swami Tejananda. Those who recognises him shall earn more reputation on that site.

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Tezz

@SreeCharan haha lol...

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan Big LOL

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan Lol.

Pandya

09:38

Btw, @KeshavSrinivasan is like Kak Bhushunda who have been seeing many users and moderators comes and goes! Haha

The Destroyer

@Pandya Keshava is kakbhushunda of Hinduism SE! haha.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer haha lol...

Pandya

@Tezz Haha.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer @Pandya at least we all have seen many xiugai users posting questions and going ... (in chinese)...

@Pandya :

25 mins ago, by Sree Charan

Upamanyu: He who is Pandya he is Deep and Deep is the light which creates, so his name represents Grandsire Brahma. Also Pandya represents Pa + Anda. And 'Anda'
verily represents the Hiranyagarbha which is Brahma.

Pandya

Though I don't like when Pandya is read as Panda, anyway, Hehe.

SwiftPushkar

09:43

@Seeker - hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/7968/…

Tezz

@Pandya some etymological changes takes place... haha

Seeker

Yes@SwiftPushkar Read it.

Tezz

पा + Anda + य

Pandya

If Tejananda is about to Haha, then why not? Haha

Seeker

There is no mean to revive Vedas again in Kaliyuga?

Tezz

09:47

@Seeker someone might ask a boon from Lord that.. let Vedas be revived...

Seeker

@Tezz Yes. Only means.

Rakesh Joshi

@Pandya do u have Rudra ashtadhyayi proper chanting in audio

Pandya

@Seeker Related discussion Hearing Shruti , (2)

SwiftPushkar

@Seeker but what is really mean by "to revive" .as you can see many people ,institution are doing similar kind of work. After all its "Kaliyuga" , So obviously it is going to happen as told in many scriptures :)

Rakesh Joshi

@Seeker vedas is already practiced but number of people are less

Pandya

09:49

@RakeshJoshi I don't have audio.

Seeker

Oh. Got it. :)

Rakesh Joshi

there are some people in south TN and kerela who are preserving agni for arond 1000 years !!

Seeker

😵😵

Rakesh Joshi

@Pandya is it possible to get from somewhere ?

Pandya

@Tezz Do you think the true sens of Vedas can be recovered by Dhyana?

Rakesh Joshi

09:51

@Pandya even in modern time people have got revelations but they are not considered as rishis technically ...

SwiftPushkar

@RakeshJoshi yes , Ahitagni

Rakesh Joshi

@SwiftPushkar in maharastra also some people are there

Seeker

@Pandya Yes, we can get via mastering some vidyas

SwiftPushkar

@RakeshJoshi Rajwade was there from pune

Seeker

But it is more than self realization

Tezz

09:52

@Pandya you mean whether we can find 'Aham Brahmasmi' means I'm Brahman or My Antaryami is Brahman.. etc.. and so on... can be find through Dhyana or not?..

Seeker

Seers generally stop their journey at self realization

Rakesh Joshi

many pathshala are also there. but problem is that people who join pathshala are worried about their career. what will happen after they come out of pathshala? will they be able to earn as good as enginners ?

Pandya

@RakeshJoshi noy sure, you can try searching audio.

Seeker

Yes, right. India has be materially prosper before.

Pandya

@Tezz I mean orginial means (interpretation) of Vedas.

Tezz

09:56

@Pandya I think there is a Passage in Aitreya Upanishad.. who meditates on Brahman by thinking what he gets that.. for instance if someone meditates Brahman as Antaryamai he will find Brahman as Antaryami.. and he who meditates himself as Brahman will find himself as Brahman... and so on...

@Pandya also from your question here: hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/12400/…

यथादर्शे तथात्मनि यथा स्वप्ने तथा पितृलोके । यथाप्सु परीव ददृशे तथा गन्धर्वलोके छायातपयोरिव ब्रह्मलोके ॥

'As in a mirror, so (Brahman may be seen clearly) here in this 'body; as in a dream, in the world of the Fathers; as in the water, he is seen about in the world of the Gandharvas; as in light and shade, in the world of Brahmâ.'

The Destroyer

Swetaketu: Oh Sage! How come Keshava handle hectic work of moderation and at same time propagate Dharma, Leela and Bhakti stories of Sri Hari?

Upamanyu : O Son of Uddalka Aruni, When Sri Mahavishnu was sleeping on his serpent bed, **a single hair of strand** from resplendent Lord fallen unto Aindra Khanda. O Swetaketu, thus the boy out of that hair will be called as "Keshava". O Swetaketu, Keshava will propagate the past times of Lord which inculcate Bhakti. To assist him, a tiny amsa of Ananta, the eternal devotee of Srinivasa, prayed to Lotus feet of Sri Hari, born in Trilinga Desa. …

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Tezz

@RakeshJoshi:

word rudra and shiva have manifold meaning which is explained in my detailed answer. — Rakesh Joshi 1 hour ago

I'm not talking about name of the Lord. I'm talking about form of the Lord @RakeshJoshi

Rakesh Joshi

then what is the point of quoting devata ?

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi It's just to start answer the question...

Rakesh Joshi

@Tezz i want to hear or watch some nepali video of vedas chanting . to understand the culture.

Tezz

10:02

@TheDestroyer haha lol .. Leela Lekhan is going on ...

Pandya

@Tezz I actually wanted to say that there are various meanings/interpretation of Suktas of Samhitas. Sayanacharyas Bhasya on Vedas is considered most reliable. By recovering true sens of Vedas, I mean for Samhita, not Vedantic interpretation.

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi I think no videos are avaliable in Internet... one has to go to Vedic Pathasala...

Rakesh Joshi

@Tezz :)

Tezz

@Pandya I don't think Samhita intrepretation differ so wildly... can you give some example... ?..

Rakesh Joshi

I want your precious answer for this quetion @Tezz

http://hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/3860/is-the-gadhimai-massacre-a-hindu-ritual

@Pandya do you mean that it is possible to revive the mantras of previous lost samhitas and shakhas ?

Tezz

10:05

@RakeshJoshi Precise answer is: Yes, it is Hindu ritual..

Rakesh Joshi

ha ha nice @Tezz proud to be Gadhimai participant ?

it sounds sweet when vedantins support animal killing ..

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi Vedas support animal sacrifice... not only Vedantins...

Pandya

@Tezz From Bhumika on Rigveda by Gayatri Parivar, I found that Means of Vedas are very subtle. They sometimes interprete characters like Vashishtha as some form of Energy. That's why I'm talking about True Sens of Vedas.

Rakesh Joshi

@Seeker sup mate

Tezz

@Pandya both sense might be true.. only the level might be different...

The Destroyer

10:08

@RakeshJoshi Devi Bhagavatam says, animals sacrificed to Goddess go to heaven.

Rakesh Joshi

@TheDestroyer is it ? but in one of your answers you said meat eating etc is "last resort" when life is in danger :P

Tezz

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Q: Is the ritual of killing an animal as offering to Maa Kali correct?

I personally believe that a mother would never ask someone to kill her own children; moreover she would ask to kill the wrong and the negative things within each individual. I have been told in my community that if we do not follow our traditions of offering a Goat to Mother Kali, then our line...

tradition devi kali sacrifice

Pandya

@TheDestroyer Haha! I think users of our site and this room may/have not enjoyed this way before!

Tezz

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A: Is the ritual of killing an animal as offering to Maa Kali correct?

It's not mandatory to sacrifice animals in Devi or Kaali worship. But goat or animal sacrifice is considered as non-killing. The animals which are sacrificed to the Divine Mother will go to heaven. This is mentioned in Chapter 26, 3rd book of Srimad Devi Bhagavatam. This chapter describes proced...

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi Yeah. This is an oppurtunity to eat in that way.

Rakesh Joshi

10:11

??

what you have answered is like its not recomended but only to be taken when life is in danger. this makes mockery of all vedic yajnas @TheDestroyer

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi Both when life is in danger and Yajnas. Who can go against Vedas?

Tezz

@Pandya enjoyed?..

Rakesh Joshi

be honest yaar !!!

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi BTW, word is "Aja".

Tezz

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Q: Where do the Vedas mention sacrificing vegetable seeds rather than goats?

As I discuss in this question, one of the early movements that was important in the development of Vaishnavism was the ancient Pancharatra movement, whose sacred texts consisted of detailed procedures to worship the sage Narayana, an ancient incarnation of Vishnu who was the son of Yama god of de...

vedas mahabharata yajna pancharatra

Rakesh Joshi

10:13

I think its high time i will have to write a long answer for that question. will do in a day or two

@Tezz vegetable or pistha pashu bali are later alternatives ... like that of arya samaj

@TheDestroyer so meat is satvik or tamasik ?

Pandya

@Tezz I'm talking about recent star posts.

Tezz

@Pandya haha.. Nice!...

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi I think both, no so sure. But Kshatriyas can eat it.

Rakesh Joshi

when its given as Havis in the yajna still u have doubt ? @TheDestroyer

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi what are the Sanskrit words?

Rakesh Joshi

10:23

that i will describe in my answe but what if it says flesh of animals ? @TheDestroyer

you are satvik person so ..

The Destroyer

Yes. I don't eat meat. I used to eat it lot especially Hyderabadi Biryani but stopped as i don't want to eat some flesh a living being by killing it. But i eat unfertilized eggs.

@RakeshJoshi

@RakeshJoshi Does it say "Mamsa"?

Rakesh Joshi

then what about vedas ... and rituals which support it

The Destroyer

Because Mamasa can be anything which is "pluffy".

Rakesh Joshi

@TheDestroyer biryani which chiken or

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi Chicken. I don't eat it anymore.

Rakesh Joshi

10:26

i heard its very addictive ... it is true ? hard to leave it ?

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi Yes. Addictive for materialists. But once you contemplate on killing and suffering it goes. You don't like it anymore.

Rakesh Joshi

ohh

then better to give up milk also because many inhumane practices are done in dairy farming

we are not supposed to drink the milk its not produced for us but for the calves

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi Then, i shouldn't live in house too. Because i'm harming mother earth by exploiting. I shouldn't even wear silk or woolen clothes and there are many exploitations happenning in Kali Yuga.

Tezz

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Q: Why Karna didn't give Dana as said by scriptures?

EXPLANATION : Karna was a great man in giving Dana to Anyone who asks for Dana from him. Scriptures Support giving Dana only to whose who that Deserves it. Oppose giving Dana to whose who that does Not deserves it and giving to anyone is Punisable. Karna would been full aware of this rules in s...

scripture mahabharata karma dharma karna

Rakesh Joshi

but animal torture is more

chicken is only people use for eating but milk is even poured on god also is it correct ?
cows are given injections ... tortured

The Destroyer

10:32

@RakeshJoshi more than silk worms and constructing Apartments and multistoried building everywhere?

Rakesh Joshi

who is wearing silk ? hardly anyone here cos climate is so hot

moreover most of silk is fake and original silk is so expnsive that hardly anyone can wear it

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi Why not think like this? Milk is offered to God and cows are blessed.

Rakesh Joshi

for blessing is it need to torture them ?

Lord is already pashu pati even without any discrimination he will bless all pashus

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi Go to any marriage or temple. People wear Silk Sarees and Silk cloths.

Rakesh Joshi

that is some regional practice ... not all ovwer india

only 2-3 stats of south india

The Destroyer

10:34

@RakeshJoshi Why are we suffering. It's karma. How can we judge actions of a tiger when it has to kill another animal for it's survival?

Rakesh Joshi

further silk moths are insects .. cannot be compared to cow

human killing is highly bad then animal then insect then microbes etc

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi It's all personal interests. I said before, everyone has their own logic in their limited consciousneess.

Rakesh Joshi

human beings are not made in a way to consume animal milk.. and not every milk is suitable.
no creature in world drinks milk for whole life

only in infancy

i m not saying this because you offer milk quantities yesterday in pooja but because of logic that chiken eating is bad and so as milk

milk can be consumed when cow is raised in goshala or house and after all the calves have taken their milk we can take the remaining milk which will not do injustice to them.

Chinmay Sarupria

10:51

@RakeshJoshi What are you talking about? Human beings consume milk for whole life, tee, coffee everything contains milk.

Rakesh Joshi

@ChinmaySarupria yar you are not reading the post properly. Human are not MADE to drink it ... they can very well do without it. for every mammal its needed only until infancy .

Chinmay Sarupria

Well it's god will that makes us drink cow's milk.

Rakesh Joshi

i m talking here that is also gods will na ?

gods want me to convey this message

Chinmay Sarupria

Everything is God's will.

Rakesh Joshi

thanks ... so why not accept gods will ?

Tezz

11:14

@RakeshJoshi:

@Rickross see one of the answers below for how people are relating to deity based on puranas and folklore . — Rakesh Joshi 2 hours ago

Which answer you are referring?. ...

Chinmay Sarupria

@RakeshJoshi Majority of the people drink milk in the form of pure milk, tea or coffee, that is God's will, some don't because that is God's will as well.

Rakesh Joshi

And same thing is also shown by the Mahabharata and all other Puranas. For instance one should also see what Lord Lord Krishna himself says about Sata Rudriyam.

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi my answer is not based on that point... it's just ending... In all the 9 points I have used Vedas only...

Rakesh Joshi

i have also given meaings of word rudra , shiva , etc

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi your answer is based on Mahabharata ... like these are names of Vishnu in Vishnu Saharsaranama... antaryami of Rudra is Nãrayana etc... which is Puranic theory...

Rakesh Joshi

11:24

but main thing is translation . words

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi haha lol... I can also make the mantra 'Om namo bhagvate Vasudevaya Shankaram Bhugasayanam... " etc.. as mantra of Shiva by play of words.. But it is called misintrepretation...

Rakesh Joshi

@Tezz that is what you have been doing till now ..

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi where did I misinterpreted?..

Rakesh Joshi

I have serious doubt on your information.. what is this "Bhugasayanam"

previously you attributed chandrashekharendra to sringeri mutt ...
and chandrashekharendra as chandrashekhar etc etc ..

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi it's Bhujagasayanam...

Rakesh Joshi

11:29

so i have seen such things in your quotes ... i have also seen many videos of nepalese chanting vedas in false ways ...

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi it's not chanting in that way... It's called typing mistake..

Rakesh Joshi

then i will be waiting to hear some vedic hymns audios from you :)

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi Oh then I'm sorry..
I can't make you hear...

Rakesh Joshi

this is not problem but problem is even when someone points out any correction you are not showing courtesy to accept error and correct.

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi haha... for example:

Rakesh Joshi

11:33

i m repeating 4th time

chandrashekharendra did not belong to sringeri but kanchi mutt

his name was not CHANDRASHEKHAR but chandrashekharendra saraswati ...

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi so what? ... am I saying no ...? Whether he belongs to Kanchi mutt or Sringeri Mutt is not important at all...

Rakesh Joshi

whether important or not ,.. misinformation should be corrected. you should have courtesy to acknowledge and apologize .

Tezz

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrashekarendra_Saraswati

@RakeshJoshi I had already told that I mistakenly wrote Sringeri mutt...

Rakesh Joshi

name also wrong mutt also wrong ..

leave it yaar .

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi actually you should leave it... I think you are taking this simple thing too seriously..

Rakesh Joshi

11:36

how many such things you would have done in the process of gaining thousands of reps ...

it can mislead people .

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi show any mistake in any of my answer... I'll immediately correct it...

Rakesh Joshi

its a long process.

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi show as an example..
I'll immediately correct it...

Rakesh Joshi

when i find i will . i cant see whole site in 1 day

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi Ok...

Rakesh Joshi

11:40

BTW swetasvatara upanishad is part of which samhita?

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi it takes mantra from many samhitas like Purush Suktam, Skambha Suktam, Sri Rudram, Taittariya Aranyaka, Yajurveda Samhita etc...

Rakesh Joshi

its part of samhita or not ?

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi it's Samhita + Aranyaka + Upanishad... that's why it's also called Mantropanishad...

Rakesh Joshi

mantra specifically refers samhita riks

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi yes that's what I'm telling... It's combinations of Riks, Aranyaks and Upanishads....

Rakesh Joshi

11:45

if this upanishad belongs to krishna yaju how come it has mantras of shukla yajurveda?

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi it's because Shukla and Krishna Yajurveda has many mantras in common...

Rakesh Joshi

so isha upanishad mantras are present in krishna yaju also ?

what according to you is the time of composing of Krishna yaju

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi Vedas are eternal scripture... there can't be time of composition of them... it's not like novel story etc...

Rakesh Joshi

:D

every veda has chronology and approximate dating ..

Swetaswatara is believed to be composed around 400 BC .

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi it's western indologist belief... if you want to believe Vedas are composed scriptures then you can believe....

Rakesh Joshi

11:57

yaar you are not able to get simple thing

when Swetaswatara contains mantra of isha and brihadaranyaka then it must be later to them right ?

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi No, Vedas do not work in that way... however you may believe in it...

Rakesh Joshi

by comparing the grammar and prose/poetry style etc scholars decide these things. its not western concept but there are indological studies done by scholars of indian universities. do not reject them if such things doesnt exist in nepal

Chinmay Sarupria

@RakeshJoshi Earth has India, India is on earth, Vedas work similarly, they cannot be separate.

Rakesh Joshi

you were active enough to declare kalisantarana as a modern day scriputure and not genuine upanishad .. on what basis you said so ? @Tezz

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi these method can be used to determine to some level... but not to mean that Vedas are composed...

Rakesh Joshi

12:01

revelations have happened to different people at different time over period of centuries or milenumum .. its not done in 1 day !! @Tezz

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi I can't declare it... I can only say it's likely to be of latter date...

Rakesh Joshi

so later date makes it shruti or not? @Tezz

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi revelations are eternal things.. so they can't be compared with time...

Rakesh Joshi

not comparing with time but i m saying they were revealed in different times

before gayatri revelations people were following different worship.

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi if it's not a Upanishad (just someone fakely composed it)... then it's not Shruti... otherwise it is Shruti...

Rakesh Joshi

12:02

@Tezz how will you know if its fake or real what are the parameters ?

@TheDestroyer how you say if kalisantarana , shailopanishad and allopanishad are genuine or not ?

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi I can't have parameters... we can see quotatiobs like Shankara, Ramanuja, etc....

Rakesh Joshi

@Tezz that is the reeality you are not aware of any such parameters.

but we here in india have universities like BHU and others have indological deparment many scholars study languages and sciptures
the meter (chhandas) , style, language, many other factors.

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi you may also consider Allaopanishad as Genuine and recite it 3 times a day... 😀😀 you may also quote them in Hinduism SE answers here... let's see how people react...

Rakesh Joshi

i wanted to show you that not all scripture with "upanishad" name becomes vedas

swetaswatara is relatively new upanishad than early vedic literature.

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi Ok India is great... it has many things.... we don't have anythings here... we don't know anything... Satisfied?...

Rakesh Joshi

12:06

no its not indra

sorry india

Chinmay Sarupria

@RakeshJoshi Why do you think scholars are great people who know everything? Those people try to fit Vedas with current environment, reality is Vedas are beyond normal people's understanding.

Rakesh Joshi

@ChinmaySarupria then you refute them we will accept your words.

if vedas is beyond understanding then people here at SE should stop quoting them :)

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi also lets assume Svetasvatara is latter day Upanishad... then what are you going to show through it?..

Rakesh Joshi

same thing which i showed that vedanta sutra is later day text of 400 AD and not written by vyasa

and that badarayana must be someone who lived around that time .

brahma sutra has mention of buddhist schools hence it is post madhyamaka era .

like how it has to be analysed

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi let's assume Brahma Sutra is post Buddhist era... then what difference does it make?.. Brahma Sutras itself aren't Pramana... it's just logical analysis...

Rakesh Joshi

12:12

that means vedanta school only emerged during that era .

its not assumption . when brahma sutra speaks of buddhist doctrine then it has to be post buddist

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi you may believe that Brahma Sutras are post Buddhism as they refute Buddhism... but we believe thay it's pre Buddhist text and Vyasa being omniscient and knowing about emergence of Buddhism also wrote about it...

Rakesh Joshi

when why he not write about islam and sikhism in brama sutra?

if it has to be accepted that vyasa is the author then vyasa should have lived during 400 AD !!!!!

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi because he didn't wanted to write...

Rakesh Joshi

if it has to be accepted that vyasa is the author then vyasa should have lived during 400 AD !!!!!

Rakesh Joshi

12:51

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Seeker

13:27

Better to know the meaning of Sacrifice before animal sacrifice. Only our beloved one are supposed to be sacrificed to the Brahm.

Chinmay Sarupria

14:00

@RakeshJoshi Beyond understanding means you can't just pick up any Veda and think you will understand them, it requires realized guru.

Rakesh Joshi

@ChinmaySarupria again repeat "if vedas is beyond understanding without a realized guru then people here at SE should stop quoting them"

Chinmay Sarupria

@RakeshJoshi Most of the verses from Vedas are quoted with someone's commentary like Adi Shankara or Sri Ramanuja.

Rakesh Joshi

but how many here have realized gurus ?

Chinmay Sarupria

How is that related to someone posting a Veda verse supported with commentaries of realized souls?

It doesn't matter if someone here has realized guru or not as long as they are also posting supporting commentary.

Rakesh Joshi

dont use childish logic >>

"" you can't just pick up any Veda and think you will understand them, it requires realized guru.""

this is said by you.

when you can declare shivaji chatrapati and narendra modi as avatar then wat is big deal in declaring anyone as realized soul for you ? @ChinmaySarupria

Chinmay Sarupria

14:06

Looks like you didn't read my last 2 comments, I clearly said verses from Vedas should be accompanied by commentary on that particular verse by realized gurus like Adi Shankara and Sri ramanuja.

@RakeshJoshi Swami Vivekananda said Shivaji was avatar, I didn't.

Rakesh Joshi

@ChinmaySarupria so you believe that shivaji was avatar or not ? be clear ?

Chinmay Sarupria

@RakeshJoshi Well I believe in Swami Vivekananda's words.

Rakesh Joshi

@ChinmaySarupria you have to go thru this so called vedanta ....

if you believe both ramanuja and sankara were realized then there is big differences in their commentaries ..

further later acharyas have criticized him badly ...

so which one to believe ?

someone said you sankara is realized you beleived .. someone said you ramanuja was realized you believed .

Chinmay Sarupria

@RakeshJoshi There are many paths to God, you can reach ocean by West Bengal or by Orissa.

Someone choses the path of devotion, the other of Jnana.

Rakesh Joshi

but @ChinmaySarupria when realized souls (ramanuja , madhwa) say sankara was not realized then ?

blind belief is not good
i have made a thread where i have showed how some hymns are wrongly associated with sankara @ChinmaySarupria

Seeker

14:12

@ChinmaySarupria getting the right answer doesn't necessarily mean, solution was correct.

Chinmay Sarupria

When did they say that? Even if they said it, it can be justified, Adi Shankara's path is Advaita and Sri Ramanuja's path is Visistadvaita so naturally they must refute the other if they have to say their path is the correct one.

Rakesh Joshi

then dont make such illogical statements that we should believe realized acharyas . cos one acharya has said that sankara was a drunkard ... so why should i accept drunkard commentary as correct ?

Chinmay Sarupria

@Seeker "getting the right answer..." You are referring to which comment?

@RakeshJoshi So you think only one person can be right?

@RakeshJoshi Adi Shankara praised Buddha in one of his stotras but in Badrinath, he replaced idol of Buddha with that of Vishnu, that's why I said actions of such people are beyond understanding of non-realized souls like you and me.

@RakeshJoshi You think that Vedas, Upanishads, scriptures are basic text that can be understood at once by anyone reading it, if it were, you would have already got Moksha by now.

but you are still here.

Seeker

15:01

@ChinmaySarupria I meant there can be many paths to brahm but it is not necessary every path is the right one.

Rakesh Joshi

15:12

@ChinmaySarupria

the refutation and accuses made on sankara has nothing to do with stotras or calling buddha a god but based on his commentaries and yukti/logic behind it.

Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz Hahahaha

Chinmay Sarupria

@Seeker Yeah, that is indeed correct. What I said to him is that there can be and are multiple paths to God and not just one because he thinks for everything, only 1 path can be correct.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Haha

Chinmay Sarupria

@KeshavSrinivasan Waiting for your views on lucid dreaming.

Rakesh Joshi

@ChinmaySarupria its your assumption i never said one path is true.

Seeker

15:18

Sir @RakeshJoshi Sometimes unreal becomes the synonym of impermanent. And real permanent

Chinmay Sarupria

@RakeshJoshi You did say Adi Shankara and Sri Ramanuja's path were different and Sri Ramanuja criticized Adi Shankara, so you do believe that only one of them is realized and the other one is not, right?

Seeker

Now, we must understand this.

Self realization doesn't necessarily imply omniscience.

Rakesh Joshi

yes but vedantaq is just one path and we were discussing sub sects of vedanta...
@ChinmaySarupria i have supported multiple paths like bhakti , yoga, tantra etc

@Seeker yes its not needed to have omniscience

Seeker

Yes.

That's why I doesn't blindly accept even self realized master. :p😀

Chinmay Sarupria

@RakeshJoshi It will still lead to the same thing you are saying - person of Bhakti Yoga will say his particular deity is supreme and the other is wrong, Yogi will say Brahman is supreme, whom to believe then?

@Seeker In Advaita, if you realize your true nature, I think that is the highest goal.

Rakesh Joshi

15:23

bhakti is part of most of the sects

Seeker

Realize true nature doesn't guarantee end of death-birth cycle. But it guarantees no more than 3 births.

Chinmay Sarupria

@RakeshJoshi But most of them refute other paths that declare no particular deity is supreme

Seeker

That I have concluded, might be wrong.

Rakesh Joshi

but it was you who said ramanuja and sankara all as realized ... not every person who write commentaries is realized .
for their disciples it could be that way

Chinmay Sarupria

@Seeker Well according to advaita, you become free the very moment you realize your true nature.

Seeker

15:26

In Kashmiri Shaivism, there are 3 Malas, one of the mala is Karmayi, one has to eradicate Karmayi mala to end Birth-death cycle. BG aims at eradicate this mala.

Chinmay Sarupria

@RakeshJoshi I still say both Sankara and Ramanuja were realized.

Rakesh Joshi

ok you may believe but i neither accept vivekananda or sankara as realized .@ChinmaySarupria

Seeker

Karma mala is the limiting condition brought about by the vasanas or residual traces of actions done under the influence of desire. It is the force of these vasanas that carries the jiva from one life to another.

Chinmay Sarupria

@Seeker But according to Advaita, once you realize your true nature, the fire of knowledge burn all of the remaining karmas, desires and everything. You shine in your divine glory.

Seeker

I think only Anava mala is destroyed in Self realization.

The bondage of the individual is due to innate ignorance or anava mala. It is this primary limiting condition which reduces the universal consciousness to an anu or a limited creature.

@ChinmaySarupria Yes,good point.

Rakesh Joshi

15:32

@ChinmaySarupria can bhakti fire too burn all the karmas ?

Chinmay Sarupria

@RakeshJoshi Yes, Krishna confirms it in Bhagavad Gita, he says "Take shelter in me, fear not, I will free you from all sins".

Seeker

I thought because Buddha had 3 teachers who were realized but none were free of Birth-death cycle. Though they were entitled to take only 3 more births.

Rakesh Joshi

good

Chinmay Sarupria

@Seeker Those who become realized can then come to earth and take physical body if they wish. In our case, we come because of karma, they come to show others the path of highest abode. Sri Ramakrishna and Swami Vivekananda will take birth again around 2082.

Rakesh Joshi

@TheDestroyer does vedanta accept that realized people can be born again ?

Chinmay Sarupria

15:37

@Seeker Sri Ramakrishna himself said in 1882 that he will take birth once again after 200 years.

Seeker

Good read. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_stages_of_enlightenment

Oh. @ChinmaySarupria. Great

Simply Beautiful Art

@RakeshJoshi So true

Rakesh Joshi

@SimplyBeautifulArt simply beautiful pleasant surprise !

Simply Beautiful Art

:D

Rakesh Joshi

@ChinmaySarupria he said he will come after 200 years and you made exact calculation of 2082 .. Cant it be 220 or 250 years ? :)

Chinmay Sarupria

15:43

@RakeshJoshi I said around 2082, of course coming after 200 years doesn't mean that he will take birth exactly in 2082

Rakesh Joshi

then it can be 2180 as well

300 also comex after 200 na

Chinmay Sarupria

but then he would have said "after 300 years"

Rakesh Joshi

Let us wait for other advaitins to give their opinion

Tezz

16:01

@KeshavSrinivasan btw... have you read this;
http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/38640?m=35245924#35245924

Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz Oh, it contains no content? It just consists of the invocatory mantra and the Shanti mantra?

Tezz

@KeshavSrinivasan Oh I don't know where did the content went..

@KeshavSrinivasan do SE automatically removes long msg. Contents?...

Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz OK, now I see it. Haha, it's about atoms. Did you make that up?

Tezz

@KeshavSrinivasan haha yes... I made it..
Also see what @Pandya asked just after reading it...

Feb 6 at 5:55, by Pandya

@Tezz Is it listed in 108 Upanishad in Muktika canon?

Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz Haha

Rakesh Joshi

20:09

@KeshavSrinivasan i have posted about vidyaranya .

Keshav Srinivasan

20:20

@RakeshJoshi Yeah, I saw that. I'm familiar with Vedanta Desikan moderating the debate. They choose him because he believed in Visistadvaita, so he thought both sides were wrong and thus he wouldn't rule based on personal opinions of who is right.

Rakesh Joshi

:)

there should be some logical proof whether how did sankara got connected to suka deva as they claim him in the parampara. @KeshavSrinivasan

Keshav Srinivasan

@RakeshJoshi I think it was probably some folklore that got accepted as official doctrine.

Rakesh Joshi

but such things shoukld not happen @KeshavSrinivasan other vedantins should raise questions

even madhwa claims lineage from vyasa dont know how .

Keshav Srinivasan

20:58

@RakeshJoshi Madhvacharya claims that he went to Badrinath and he met Vyasa there.

@RakeshJoshi That is why Madhva people and Gaudiya Vaishnavas claim to be part of the Brahma Sampradayam.

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