Vedanta and Philosophy

Sree Charan

02:30

@ChinmayaB Yes. we are brahmins and Sri Vaishnavas. But these days iyengars means only people with tamil origins. We are of telugu origin . We are Sri Vaishnava from generations at least since my great grandfather times.

The Destroyer

04:32

@SreeCharan I think in telugu Iyers and Iyengars are called Vaidugulu and Niyogulu. Not so sure. My friend is Brahmin too. He told me .

Pandya

04:48

@SwiftPushkar I was busy in Examination.

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya - GM 🌞Oh ok , by the way ,whts best book for brahma sutras?

@Pandya - GM 🌞Oh ok , by the way ,whts best book for brahma sutras?sanskrit+hindi or english

Pandya

@SwiftPushkar Namaste

@SwiftPushkar I think Gitapress doesn't have Brahma Sutra with Adi Shankaracharya Bhasya

@SwiftPushkar But Vedanta Dearshan (Book code 65) is very good.

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya - yes , seen that , but 9 Upanishad and VD will be much similar , i want book specifically of BS .Any other version?

Pandya

05:03

@SwiftPushkar How 9 Upanishad and VD will be much similar?; Actually VD is BS.

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya - oh , ok i thought VD is covering all Upanishadas , well ok😊👍

Pandya

@SwiftPushkar Btw, old scanned version of VD (BS) by Gitapress is available at Internet Archive.

archive.org/details/…

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya - ok ,thanks , i will download it 👍👍👍

Pandya

@SwiftPushkar your about:

> I Believe I Believe I Believe

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya - Commentry is in hindi , its more easy to understand 👍👍

Pandya

05:13

@SwiftPushkar Yes, I always recommend Hindi over English.

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya - haha , like ॐ शांति शांति शांति 😊

Pandya

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Q: Sanskrit non-translatables

Every language encodes within it a unique culture and a world view. This site being an English site, our questions and answers are in English. But certain words lose meaning when translated to English. For example, Sin is not bad karma or paap Atman is not soul Jati-varna system is not caste ...

@SwiftPushkar Btw, note that:

Jul 9 '16 at 13:19, by Pandya

He has written in निवेदन (announcement) that he has given explanation on the basis/reference of following Sanskrit scriptures: (1) Shri Shankaracharya's Sharirak Bhashya, (2) Shri Ramanujacharya's Shri Bhashya, (3) Shri Vallabhacharya's Anubhashya, (4) Shri Nimbark Bhashya, (5) Shri Bhashjaracharya Bhashya, (6) Brahmananad Deepika, (7) Shri Vijnanbhikhshu Bhashya and Shri Ramanand Vyakhya.

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya - Ok 😊

Pandya

@SwiftPushkar So, Are the (Gitapress) books we've discussed available in the store near to you?

I've realized Gitapress's Bhagavad Gita translation lean towards Advaita /cc @TheDestroyer @Tezz

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya - I am going today ..in some time ,👍👍📚

Pandya

05:21

@SwiftPushkar ok

@TheDestroyer Namaskaram

The Destroyer

@Pandya who is the translator?

@Pandya Namaskaram

Cucumber

Sigmund Freud was never wrong!

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya -I think even SB , is also primarily a Adavita , at least Gita press , translation

Pandya

@Cucumber Who was Sigmund Freud? and related to Hinduism?

The Destroyer

@Pandya may be this

Sigmund Freud

Sigmund Freud (/ˈfrɔɪd/ FROYD; German: [ˈziːkmʊnt ˈfʁɔʏt]; born Sigismund Schlomo Freud; 6 May 1856 – 23 September 1939) was an Austrian neurologist and the founder of psychoanalysis, a clinical method for treating psychopathology through dialogue between a patient and a psychoanalyst. Freud was born to Galician Jewish parents in the Moravian town of Freiberg, in the Austro-Hungarian Empire. He qualified as a doctor of medicine in 1881 at the University of Vienna. Upon completing his habilitation in 1885, he was appointed a docent in neuropathology and became an affiliated professor in 1902. Freud...

ignore!

Pandya

05:25

@TheDestroyer I don't know exactly but might be Goyandaka

The Destroyer

@Cucumber Namaste! Don't compare "Religion" with "Dharma". The so called Indian subcontinents Religions are "Dharmic faiths". "Matam" (Sanskrit word for Religion) is something which comes from "Man" or Mind. But on other hand faiths of Indian subcontinent are expouded by Rsis (seers) or sages in transcendental consiousness. it's absurd to compare Religion with Dharma.

@Pandya Most of the present day Hindus adhere Advaita Vedanta. So, may be it is leaning towards Advaita.

@Tezz Why Surya is called "MaartaNDa"?

m. (fr. मृता*ण्ड) " sprung from a (seemingly) lifeless egg ", a bird RV. Br.

How above definition suits for bird?

"bird in the sky" = Surya

Pandya

06:08

@Tezz Btw, Isn't "You Yourself know Yourself by Yourself" from BG 10.15 discussed here sounds Advaita?

Sree Charan

06:19

@TheDestroyer Is it? I know that we are niyogulu.

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan i don't know exact translations.

Sree Charan

@Thedestroyer Niyogi is a brahmin who are no longer in priest tradition. Our family occupation was not priesthood but we do daily karmas such as Sandhyavandanam. Vaidukulu means brahmins who continued in priesthood.

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan Yes. My friend is Niyogi Brahmin.

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer matham also has other meanings besides religion.

user Cucumber entered a wrong chatroom.

Mr. Alien

@Pandya Not sure about your history flag, keeping it pending for now, rest of the 7 are handled.

Pandya

06:34

@Mr.Alien ok. Thanks!

Mr. Alien

Just want to clarify with you guys, I'll write a message and star it so that others can read whoever visits this room

Sree Charan

@Mr.Alien about what will you write?

Mr. Alien

give me 2 mins

its about flagging

cuz I've seen a lot of users who are not flagging the correct way, declining their flags results in meta rage

I think I'll take this to meta, wait

Pandya

@Mr.Alien I think you've raised this before which may be related.

Mr. Alien

@Pandya kinda similar, but not same, the issue is, people flag posts which has no reference, need to close and so on

but they just don't get this simple thing that there is nothing a moderator can do here. They can in a way but that's not what they are for.

If no reference, downvote the post, put a comment which will help users that why there was a downvote

Pandya

06:40

@Mr.Alien Oh! it may be because of meta.hinduism.stackexchange.com/q/742/277

Mr. Alien

if question is off-topic, close it, don't flag it.

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because later, if mod closes it alone, some or the other user will rage on meta saying that the decision was incorrect.

closing questions, referrals etc need peer reviews, also it's something which even a decent reputation user can do. Yes, if the question is not yet closed even after a week? Then flag to a mod, but than, we need to make our users aware that they should be taking those actions instead of flagging it to a mod

@Pandya umm, nop.. there are weird flags all the time.

Sree Charan

Also what do you say about using delete vote by high rep. users? @Mr.Alien

Pandya

@Mr.Alien Btw, you can bookmark the (conversation) messages to share or link in feature.

Mr. Alien

some say that edit the post, some ask for a close, delete, some say the answer is incorrect. Mods are not supposed to judge whether an answer is incorrect or not. Yea, if the answer is completely incorrect, we will delete it, but if it has minor issues or somewhat wrong, all we need to do is a downvote.

@SreeCharan They should delete it. we have enough of high-rep active users now. When I contribute on StackOverflow, if I comment/delete vote/close vote anything, I do check in a day or two from my activity tab that whether the action was performed or not, if not, than we need to flag to a mod that 2 delete votes are casted, but since we are not getting the third one, we need a mod to step in.

But we should prevent flagging if answers are incorrect. Only flag if they are spam, hate speech, hurting religious sentiments and so on

in general, flag when immediate actions are required which might not be available to normal / high rep users

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan Did you watch Karma (2011) movie of Advi Sesh?

Mr. Alien

06:48

@Pandya pinned the first message

I need one of you guys to star it so that you can search in the rooms star tab

cuz this pinned message gets unpinned in few days

Thank you!

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer Matham as in abhimatham. your opinion, way. But I can't quote any dictionary right now.

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan yes. Whatever comes from mind. Need not be correct.

Pandya

@Mr.Alien ok +1 star

Mr. Alien

Thank you!

Pandya

Mr. Alien's flagging guideline

12 mins ago, 4 minutes total – 7 messages, 3 users, 3 stars

Bookmarked 41 secs ago by Pandya

The Destroyer

06:52

@Mr.Alien why your star looks different to Keshav's "star" message? Both are mods.

Mr. Alien

@TheDestroyer pinned message vs only starred messages

also, am a special kind of mod :P

Pandya

@Mr.Alien Alien mod! Haha

The Destroyer

@Pandya Not from Bhooloka! Must be from other 6 lokas. :P

Mr. Alien

@Pandya Mode* x) ... Aliens need special privileges ...

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan Even word "Mano Bhava" is misused.

Sree Charan

06:56

@TheDestroyer It is pinned. So, looked different.

Mr. Alien

There's something insanely bad going on with my Chrome, UI messes up if am posting a message, weird.

Pandya

@Mr.Alien Btw, what do you think about our stats on Area51 and graduation?

Sree Charan

@Pandya I also bookmarked this conversation....

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan yes. just saw that. Messages can be pinned only mods or by room owners or by SE team.

Sree Charan

@Pandya @Mr.Alien Is it possible to exclude some messages which we don't want to include in a bookmark?

@TheDestroyer No.

Mr. Alien

07:00

@SreeCharan you can tell me and I'll cancel them, share it here

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan Good movie. Hero gets powers by doing Puja and it also talks about degrading Varnasrama Dharma. Best movie of Adivi Sesh.

Sree Charan

14 mins ago, by The Destroyer

@SreeCharan what meanings?

@Mr.alien ^^^

27 mins ago, by Pandya

ok

Mr. Alien

those are not bookmarked

Sree Charan

Did you see my bookmarked conversation? titled Guidelines for flagging?

Mr. Alien

@SreeCharan Sorry, but am not getting what you are trying to say.. bookmarked mean star messages.. if you want me to remove those stars, I can do it.. but the messages you are sharing are not starred

Sree Charan

07:05

@TheDestroyer spokensanskrit.de/…

Guidelines for flagging a post.

31 mins ago, 13 minutes total – 23 messages, 4 users, 3 stars

Bookmarked 10 mins ago by Sree Charan

@Mr.alien I want you to remove the above messages from that conversation.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer I don't know...

@Pandya I think it's referring to the Gitacharya (Krishna)... not about ourselves...

@TheDestroyer where did you see the word Martanda.. ?..

@Pandya in those Hindi Archives of Shankara Sutra Bhasya.. part 1 doesn't start with "Athato Brahman Jijnasa".. why? Where are the previous parts.. ?..

The Destroyer

@Tezz I know Martanda is used for Surya. In a movie song.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Oh.. I found it:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81rtanda

The Destroyer

07:24

@Tezz is name of martanda sun temple "coincidence"?

Ruins of martanda temple in Kashmir.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer it says "and it denotes a dead sun, or a sun that has sunk below the horizon.[1]"

Mr. Alien

@SreeCharan done

@TheDestroyer that is a beautiful pic

The Destroyer

@Tezz Yeah.

@Tezz Monnier williams says

मार्ताण्ड

(H2) मार्ताण्ड [p= 813,2] [L=163563] m. (fr. मृता*ण्ड) " sprung from a (seemingly) lifeless egg ", a bird RV. Br.
[p= 813,2] [L=163564] " bird in the sky ", the sun (= or v.l. for, मार्तण्ड) Rājat.

@Mr.Alien Yes. Even the ruins looks beautiful.

Now.

Martand Sun Temple

The Martand Sun Temple was a Kashmiri Hindu temple dedicated to Surya (the chief solar deity in Hinduism) and built during the 8th century CE. Martand is another Sanskrit name for the Hindu Sun-god. Now in ruins, the temple is located five miles from Anantnag in the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir. == History == The Martand Sun Temple was built by the third ruler of the Karkota Dynasty, Lalitaditya Muktapida, in the 8th century CE. It is said to have been built during 725-756 CE. The foundation of the temple is said to have been around since 370-500 CE, with some attributing the construction...

Rickross

Why wud someone be afraid of Shiva or of his looks? :D

I mean if there's one male God who's by far the most handsome of all then that is Shiva

I mean he is not ferocious looking like the way say Chamunda,Chinnamasta or NaraSimha are..:P

Is anyone reading my messages? :D

BTW my above messages about Shiva were meant for Sree charan and Krishna Swetha

Pandya

07:57

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Currently the "Bookmark a conversation" feature is great. It provides just what a user needs in a busy chat room; get in, get the important stuff from the bookmarks and get out. Though sometimes, these bookmarked conversations have a lot of extra stuffing in it. Chit Chat. Sometimes 100-300 mess...

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Rickross

@Mr.Alien I have deleted my recent meta post as per ur suggestion..But why was it technically not allowed?

The Destroyer

@Rickross Yes. Shiva is the most handsome God.

@Rickross I think this is the first time you are talking here.

Rickross

Ok may be not sure.@TheDestroyer

@TheDestroyer But Yama(death) and Kama(desire) are both afraid of Shiva

The Destroyer

@Rickross which post?

@Rickross Yes. Do you know what scriptures descibe Markandeya, Shiva and Yama Story?

Rickross

@TheDestroyer My most recent meta post..let me see if i can post a link ...its deleted now by me..no..possibly no purana tells that story..but that does not mean that is not true either

The Destroyer

08:05

@Rickross Post about editing history?

Rickross

@TheDestroyer A person who has a whole lot of Avidya(ignorance,illusion) will be afraid of Shiva..Because he ends all of that..

@TheDestroyer No there is another post..wait..

The Destroyer

@Rickross Yes. Markandeya Shiva story is true. It's quiet a famous and many Achryas say this story in Parvachanams. But i'm interested in Sanskrit words of Shiva's boon to Markandeya

Rickross

@TheDestroyer meta.hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/759/…

@TheDestroyer Haha i have undeleted that post to give u the link..if i gave the link of the deleted post cud u still see that?Anyways after u have finished reading it i'll delete it again..

The Destroyer

We discussed about this Shiva Markandeya before in this room.

Pandya

@Tezz Can you that part of verse as I interpret "you yourself know yourself by yourself" as like Paramatma (as a or with/by being Jivatma) knows Paramata.

The Destroyer

08:09

@Rickross ohh.. ok. I read it.

Rickross

@TheDestroyer Ok so deleting it yet again..Its not nice to ask like that..

The Destroyer

Sep 10 '16 at 14:05, by The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Do you know where Markandeya and Shiva story is mentioned in Puranas?

@Rickross ok. But if you got any doubt you can check meta Stackexchange

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Q: Encouraging people to explain downvotes

I used to get "upset" (though that is too strong a term) when I got downvoted without comment. If my answer isn't good enough then I'd like to know why. Not only does it improve the answer for the OP but it improves my knowledge too. Where the down-vote has been explained I've found it useful & ...

feature-request status-completed voting down-votes comments

Rickross

@TheDestroyer I have chkd with someone who has read all Puranas in Sanskrit..He said to me that the story is possibly not in any puranas..I used possibly coz there mite more than one manuscripts for any purana..But that does not mean that the story is false..Even he said the same..Its a story

The Destroyer

@Rickross I feel there's no reason to downvote those posts. But i think downvotes shouldn't be taken seriously. It's more or like people disagree with us.

Pandya

@Rickross 1 downvote is normal. You should concern about it when you're getting (3 or more) downvotes continuously.

Rickross

08:15

@TheDestroyer * true Story i meant..also we shd not rely too much on scriptures because how much amount of scriptures are available to us and what huge amount has been lost?

The Destroyer

@Rickross Yes. Story is real. There's no doubt about it.

Rickross

@TheDestroyer So if some stories are very popular but seemingly don't have scriptural proofs then we have to assume that may be they were contained in those parts of scriptures which were lost or changed with time

The Destroyer

@Rickross Yes.

Rickross

@TheDestroyer Yes..Ok Logging off now..and yes deleted that meta post coz even i'm emabarrsed asking that question..:D

The Destroyer

@Rickross btw, which philosophy you follow or believe? Ok. I will tell you my opinion about Varnasrama Dharma later.

Pandya

08:19

@Rickross it may also possible that someone follows your post and downvote which is called serial voting which is automatically removed if detected:

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Q: What is serial voting and how does it affect me?

I just noticed that I lost a bunch of points from my reputation score, and I used the "reputation" tab on my user profile page to try and track down the cause. During my investigation, I noticed there was an unusual event of type "reversal". In the normal place of a question title, it says "voti...

support faq reputation voting serial-voting

Rickross

@TheDestroyer I'm not much serious about these philosophies..I think too much indulgence in hetuvada & philosophies are gateways to hells..Do u know of any philosophies that is capable of describing even a toe nail of the Almighty?

@TheDestroyer Sadashiva says-They know me by Dvaita-Advaita but actually i'm Para Dvaita-advaita..that is beyond them..

logging off now

Tezz

@Rickross @TheDestroyer story which is similar that of Markandeya is of King Sveta...

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A: Did lord Shiva time travel?

Kãlãnjãra means who is the destroyer of Kãla. ie. Who is Kãla of Kãla (Kãlakãla). There is also a tirtha called Kalanjara where Lord Shiva destroyed Kãla while protecting his devotee Sveta. Kurma Purana Uttara Bhaga chapter 36 tells that story: There is a great Tirtha by the name Kãlanjara wh...

Mr. Alien