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@KeshavSrinivasan is sacred-texts.com/hin/sbe30/sbe30124.htm related?
@Pandya Which Sutra are you referring to?
@KeshavSrinivasan Though actually I don't know about those Sutras, just found discussion with the help of Yava and Vrihi examples.
@Pandya Oh ok. In any case what Kumarila Bhatta is saying is "If it was valid to say that because someone is really intelligent they're allowed to read multiple Shakhas, then it would be equally valid to say that because someone is really rich they're allowed to offer both Yava (rice) and Vrihi (barley) at once. But the second is invalid, so the first is invalid as well."
@SreeCharan you might know, We use Asta Daridras more frequently in Telugu.
@Pandya Kumarila Bhatta's point is that just because you have the physical ability to do something doesn't mean it is morally permissible to do it.
05:20
@KeshavSrinivasan Btw, Brahma Sutra has tried to clear confusion between different topics by different Shakha and explained how to consider they're saying similar by equating different shakha's explanation in favourable way. So, can we say we're allowed to study different Shakhas on the basis of it?
Good Morning Vedanta and Philosophy 🌞 @KeshavSrinivasan - Vannakam @Pandya - Namaskar 💐🙏🌸
@SwiftPushkar नमस्कार , सुप्रभात
05:35
@KeshavSrinivasan @Pandya - is there noticeable difference btw."Brahmanas of Shakha" or just few.I don't know much , but by far from my understanding i think , some Tradiations only are diff.
@SwiftPushkar Though they are similar but I think few points may be noticeable different. @Keshav knows more as he has read many Brahmanas.
@SreeCharan Namaste. New Avatar?
@Pandya Yes. Did you know who in the picture are? @SwiftPushkar
@Pandya - oh , ok ,i came to conclusion when i have seen the Rudra patha of various Shakhas , there is some difference in swaras ,but most of the Rudra is same 😊
05:40
@SreeCharan I don't think I know exactly. Who are?.....
@Pandya The child? who does he look like?
@SreeCharan - Yes , its quite amazing work , i like that 😊👍👍
Is the instrument veena?
@Pandya Stringed instrument similar to veena, tumbura.
@SreeCharan It looks like from South Vaishnava.
I think it is better to tell me as I'm not so good for identifying various form of ...... :P Haha
05:49
@SreeCharan - Who is the character playing veena in your DP i think other one is Bal-Krishna 😊
Btw, How aobut un-deleting this answer? /cc @KeshavSrinivasan or @AnkitSharma
OK. @Pandya @SwiftPushkar The one playing instrument is Annamayya AKA annamacharya. The one listening to it with enthusiasm is Lord Venkateshwara.
@SreeCharan - oh ok , Nice DP , so he is a saint from Bhakti parampara 👍👍,
@SwiftPushkar You mean bhakti movement?
@SreeCharan - Yeah ..
05:59
@SreeCharan ok. Yes, Venkateshwara! I've visited: tirupatibalajikhorasa.com /cc @KeshavSrinivasan
@SwiftPushkar No. He is just a devotee of Lord Venkateshwara.
There is also Sanskrit Vidyalaya and Peeth or Math : tirupatibalajikhorasa.com/about-religion.html /cc @KeshavSrinivasan
@Tezz @SwiftPushkar Btw, easy Punchanga/Jyotisha question hinduism.stackexchange.com/q/10351/277
@Pandya Well, even the Purva Mimamsa Sutras compare the descriptions of Yagnas in different Shakhas and show that they're the same. That's the funny thing, Kumarila Bhatta discusses what different Shakhas say but he also says you're not allowed to read multiple Shakhas!
@Pandya - yes , already seen that question , but i will try , i can give some answers based on books I have about karmakanda /pooja vidhi/ Joytish etc.but the explanation is given in marathi language ,so giving sources is problem ,and Don't know what other experts or Panchanga believe , difference in Longitude & latitude.
@Pandya - So a shubha kaal in MH ,may be Ashubha in guj ,because slight diif.in geographic location😊
@SwiftPushkar There are some differences in organization, and there are some stories that are found in some Brahmanas and in others, but for the most part Brahmanas from different Shakhas of a Veda contain the same set of Yagnas and more or less the same instructions on how to perform them. The biggest difference in Brahmanas is between Shakhas of the Krishna Yajur Veda and Shakhas of the Shukla Yajur Veda, but that again is an organizational issue.
06:17
@KeshavSrinivasan Hmm.... Though I think your question can be simply answered as No! Haha but it looks broad to find out if any scripture doesn't say you're not allowed......
@SwiftPushkar Btw, is Gulika Kala considered Shubh or Ashubh?
@KeshavSrinivasan - oh i see , i am going to read all this in some time , and yes , I learned a lot about vedas from your answers , i got my basics from u ,thanks 👍👍💐
@Pandya Haha yeah, it's possible that the answer is simply no. It's also possible that some scripture explicitly says "You're freely allowed to read multiple Shakhas."
@SwiftPushkar Yes, I think following answer by @KeshavSrinivasan is peerless!
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A: How did the Vedas in Hinduism come into existence?

Keshav SrinivasanThe Vedas are Shruti, which means "that which is heard" (what Christians would call "revelation"). Hindus believe that from time immemorial, sages known as Dhrishtas (literally "seers") have, during a state of Tapasya (deep meditation), heard sacred verses directly from the gods. In the Dwapara...

@Pandya Thanks for the kind words!
@KeshavSrinivasan What is the origin of Brahmanas section of Vedas?
06:22
@Pandya - No i Don't know much about these beliefs as we personally do not believe in Shubha /Ashubha kaala , and many such beliefs ,which does not have any practicle value as such ,and are few fillowers only , so technically i can give answers on some well known facts only ,based on books ,like Marriages , janma kundali etc.
@KeshavSrinivasan I think Rishis heard only Veda Samhitas in deep mediation.
ok
@TheDestroyer Yes, you're right. So?
@Pandya I want to know how Brahmana section of Vedas came into existence.
@TheDestroyer The Brahmanas of the Vedas originated in disciplic successions originating with Brahman. Here is how the Satapatha Brahmana of the Rig Veda was passed down, for instance: sacred-texts.com/hin/sbe15/sbe15099.htm
> In any case, when someone says "I read the Rig Veda" without qualification, they usually mean the Rig Veda Samhita, because the Samhitas are the core part of the Vedas which came directly from the gods.
06:25
@KeshavSrinivasan Were they added to Veda samhitas later?
@TheDestroyer I discuss this particular Guru Parampara in my question here, by the way:
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Q: Who is Saraswati's guru "Ambhini"?

Keshav SrinivasanAs I discuss in this answer, each of the four Vedas consists of four portions: Samhitas, the core part of the Vedas consisting of verses heard from the gods; Brahmanas, which provide instructions on the proper performance of important rituals; Aranyakas, which provide a guide to rituals meant for...

06:40
@KeshavSrinivasan Actually I think your first answer (to this site) is absolutely peerless and most useful in our site forever!:
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A: What are the Hindu scriptures which every Hindu should abide by?

Keshav SrinivasanHindu scripture is made up of two categories, Shruti and Smriti. Shruti means "that which is heard" (what Christians would call "revelation"). Hindus believe that from time immemorial, sages known as Dhrishtas (literally "seers") have, during a state of Tapasya (deep meditation), heard sacred v...

Can you mark one of the answer like this as accepted? — Pandya 1 min ago
@Pandya Thanks!
@KeshavSrinivasan Btw, kindly speaking, my this question may be closed as duplicate regarding your this answer but I've not voted to close as duplicate :P (and no one has tried!) as I don't wish! Haha
Though it should be noted that I've not posted Q/A, actually my answer is posted about a year after the question!
07:02
@KeshavSrinivasan I once read in a magazine that Lord Hayagriva is the one who has done akshara sweekaram to Saraswati devi.
 
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@Pandya I don't think if a question contains answer in another question then it should be marked duplicate... I think we should mark duplicate only if question matches...
@Pandya "http://hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/16825/why-there-are-no-new-dieties"

I haven't got so clearly...
@TheDestroyer @KrishnShweta btw.. the reason why I like that verse most in Shiva Tandava Stotram is it nicely summarizes various acts of Lord Shiva...
@TheDestroyer @KrishnShweta I worship him who is: Destroyer of the Desire (Smarantakam)... Destroyer of cities/body of illusion (Purantakam)... Destroyer of the cycle of Samsara (Bhavantakam)... Destroyer of the Karma Kanda portion of Vedas (Makhantakam)... Destroyer of Pride (Gajantak)... Destroyer of darkness (Andhakantam)... Destroyer of Kala (Tamantakantakam)...
@SreeCharan What is Akshara Sweekaram? Is it teaching of Sanskrit letters, or what?
@KeshavSrinivasan "When he says "Now, coming to understand My design and following My instruction, Hari and Sesha have already been born as the sages Sankarshana and Patanjali for the resuscitation of the middle section of the Veda dealing ..." who is he here?...
@Tezz He is Shiva. We were discussing a quote from the Shankara Digvijaya.
@KeshavSrinivasan Oh ok...
@Tezz So according to the Shankara Digvijaya, Kartikeya incarnated as Kumarila Bhatta to restore the Karma Kanda of the Vedas, Vishnu and Adiseshan incarnated as Sankarshana and Patanjali to restore the Devata Kanda of the Vedas, and Shiva incarnated as Adi Shankaracharya to restore the Jnana Kanda of the Vedas.
@Tezz The Sankarshana part makes sense, since he was a commentator on Kasakritsna's Devata Kanda Sutras, but I'm not sure what Patanjali's Yoga Sutras have to do with the Devata Kanda, i.e. the Samhitas.
08:39
@KeshavSrinivasan Oh... I didn't knew about that thing in Shankara Digvijaya... anyway interesting analysis...
@KeshavSrinivasan maybe it is talking about Mahabhasya of Patanjali.. and not Yoga Sutras...
@KeshavSrinivasan Yeah. Teaching letters. It is the ceremony done to children before starting education. It is also called Akshara abhyasam.
@Pandya actually I was replying for "Have you got what I wanted to discuss for Vishishtadvaita?"
@Tezz But it says Sankarshana and Patanjali restored the Devata Kanda by writing about Bhakti and Yoga. So I think it is referring to the Yoga Sutras.
08:59
@Tezz It is also melodious to sing that verse.
@Tezz What part of vedas are basis for Patanjali Yoga Sutras? Or did patanjali write those Sutras from teachings of Shiva?
As legend says Shiva appeared to Patanjali and taught him Yoga.
@Tezz Keshav was referring this message
yesterday, by The Destroyer
Yeah. For now, i too believe in Advaita Vedanta. Actually, in Maya, relatively everything (every Philosophy) is possible. There is actually a beautiful sentence in Shankara Digvijaya: Shiva says to Kartikeya, "The Veda has three strands in its comprehensive teaching
-The ritualistic, the meditative and the gnostic. By establishing
the sway of the Veda with its three-pronged message, the spiritual
ideal can be preserVed in the world. If the spiritual ideal is saved,
society is saved. For, sound social organisation leading to the
 
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@TheDestroyer I don't know about that....
@TheDestroyer see this answer:
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A: Do any one know about Daughters of Lord Shiva?

Devendar AgarwalMany must have heard all the incidents and stories of Lord Shiva but very few are aware about his children. We all know that he had two sons Kartikeya and Ganesha but in reality he had three sons and three daughters. Surprising but true! Shiva’s three daughters are worshipped even today in differ...

He had three daughters

1. Ashok Sundari
2. Manasa
3. Jyoti
They are mentioned in the Shiva Purana. Readers can refer Rudra Samhita: Section II – Sati Khanda of Shiva Purana.
@TheDestroyer I don't think Rudra Samhita Sati Khanda mentions this story... do you know about it...?
@TheDestroyer also see.. "She was the one who saved Lord Shiva when he drank poison during the “Samandar Manthan”or “Amrit Manthan”. Haha... lol...
@TheDestroyer I think the story of Manasa is just a folktale... do you know any scriptual basis... ?
@SwiftPushkar I haven't checked fully... but I think it's not there...
@Tezz - ok :)
@Tezz Goddess manasa he mentioned is a folklore. There is also a folk goddess here in our state known as nalla pochamma.
He is trying hard to advertise his site.
10:40
@SreeCharan also he added a new daughter's name... Jyoti... haha...
@Tezz @SwiftPushkar According to the tale, Manasa devi is given the status of goddess by Shiva. Adishesha worshipped her and made the queen of the snakes. I don;t believe these.
@SreeCharan - yes , but serious users will not entertain that blog , Hinduism SE is far more better , we present facts with links , quotes so its much more reliable.
@Tezz Yeah. It's the first time I am hearing the name.
@SreeCharan yes... I'm also almost sure that the story of Manasa is just a folklore...
@SreeCharan @Tezz - I think there is one famous temple en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansa_Devi_Temple,_Haridwar
10:42
I have heard about ashoka sundari from Devon ka dev mahadev serial. @Tezz.
they are saying Mansa devi is sister of vasuki
@SreeCharan yes, the story of Ashok Sundari may have some scriptual basis (I'm not sure)...
@SwiftPushkar it tells emerged from the mind of Lord Shiva... (another story added)... haha...
The temple is known for being the holy abode of Manasa, a form of Shakti and is said to have emerged from the mind of the lord Shiva.
@Tezz - yes , i only heard the name before , dont know much details :) but will check shiva-purana afterwords.
@Tezz OP added Devdutt patnaik as a reference. Devdutt patnaik is an author who adds folklores and creates a belief in readers that it is true. Draupadi wanting Karna as sixth husband is one such example.
BTW @SwiftPushkar you once said using "Hanumana" instead Hanuman would be respectful. The actual word is "Hanumantha". I remembered the word some time ago.
What about santoshi maa and shubh labh.? — Anubhav Goel 54 secs ago
@Tezz - yes , you are correct the word "hanumanta" is more respectful ,in marathi language we use both words but , when writing the word in english , Hanumana looks more respectful saying :)
10:54
@Tezz@TheDestroyer Is there any scriptural basis on shubh labh as sons of Ganesha?
@Tezz I don't think Rudra Samhita Sati Kanda has that story. Let me check.
@SreeCharan - Actually Ganesha is widely worshiped & much popular deity in Maharashtra. But we dont know much about that ( shubh labh ). We can see the word शुभ -लाभ in pictures , but people always take the meaning of that as -auspicious and gain :) in business or in day today life
@Tezz Those who say that are deluded by Shiva Maya..haha..
@Tezz I think Ashoka Sundari is mentioned but not in Shiva Purana. Padma or Brahmanda Purana.
@SreeCharan I don't remember exactly about sons. But wives are mentioned.
@Tezz story of Ashoka Sundari is mentioned in Bhumi kanda of Padma Purana.
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A: Why is Lord Shiva's daughter Ashokasundari not woshipped?

Keshav SrinivasanIt's probably because the story of Ashokasundari is only attested in the Padma Purana; you can read the story starting from page 1280 of this section of the Bhumi Kanda of the Padma Purana. (If you want to read the rest of the Padma Purana, see my answer here.) And Ashokasundari is described ...

@TheDestroyer - yes , good find :)
@Tezz Swami Vishwananda says at Vyavaharika level, inanimate objects just have existence without Chit and Ananda.
@TheDestroyer if by dead if you mean your gross material body, then your statement is correct. if by dead, you mean the subtle body that leaves the material body behind upon death, then no. — Swami Vishwananda 21 mins ago
11:08
@TheDestroyer - which q/ans.?
@SwiftPushkar ??
@TheDestroyer - i mean where is the comment made by Swami Vishwananda as said by you , above
click on time: 21 min ago.
@TheDestroyer - ok , i was't aware of that feature , i clicked the name :)
@SwiftPushkar ok. You can even copy the comment here to chat by moving cursor to "time section" of comments under question or answer and copying link and pasting here.
11:25
@TheDestroyer - oh , ok , thanks let me do that ...
:34923518 haha.
@TheDestroyer - haha , yes , got it after trial and error :)
@TheDestroyer - By the way , i would also like to say say "Hearty Thanks" to you for puranas.. its because of you , i have got boost in answers and learned diff. puranas. So Thanks very much again.:)
11:41
@SwiftPushkar No need Bro :)
@TheDestroyer - :)
 
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@Tezz (Reply to this): See my revised meta post with [Note].
 
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17:46
@KeshavSrinivasan Hello....
@KeshavSrinivasan Vaikhanasas belong to which sect of Vaishnavism?
18:02
@SreeCharan Vaikhanasa is its own sect.
@Keshav Don't they revere Ramanujacharya?
@SreeCharan No, they don't, they're not Sri Vaishnavas. But Ramanujacharya did help the Vaikhanasas, by saving the Venkateshwara temple from Shaivites and others. The Vaikhanasas were so grateful to Ramanujacharya that they agreed to incorporate Alwar poems into the Tirupati temple practices. That's why Tirupati is the only Vaikhanasa temple where Alwar poems are sung.
@SreeCharan Vaikhanasas don't revere the Alwars.
@KeshavSrinivasan strange.
@SreeCharan And they follow Vaikhanasa Agamas, whereas all other Vaishnava sects follow Pancharatra Agamas.
@SreeCharan Vaikhanasas have many strange beliefs. For instance they believe that you cannot convert into the Vaikhanasa sect, you have to be born into it. They consider themselves "Garbha Vaishnavas", because they believe Vishnu performs Samashrayanam for Vaikhanasa babies when they are in their mothers' womb.
@KeshavSrinivasan But Ramanujacharya was the one who saved the tirumala temple. They no more follow rules made by Ramanujacharya.
@KeshavSrinivasan This is the strangest belief I have heard.
@KeshavSrinivasan Don't they follow any other occupations than purohitya?
18:12
@SreeCharan No, all Vaikhanasas are priests.
@SreeCharan I recently posted a question related to their Garbha Vaishnava concept:
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Q: Where does Srimad Bhagavatam book 10 describe Krishna's son Upashloka and Pancharatra initiation?

Keshav SrinivasanAs I discuss in this answer, one of the early movements that was important to the development of Vaishnavism was the ancient Pancharatra movement, whose sacred texts consisted of detailed procedures to worship the sage Narayana, an ancient incarnation of Vishnu. Since the Pancharatra texts origin...

Isn't a bit arrogant? Calling themselves garbhavaishnavas? @Keshav
@SreeCharan Haha yeah. By the way, they think that Vishnu only performs Samashrayanam in the womb for male Vaikhanasa babies, so they believe that women and low-caste people still have to perform Samashrayanam after they're born.
@KeshavSrinivasan Why would Lord Srimannarayana discriminate His children based on gender? Strange!!!
@SreeCharan Yeah, they're definitely strange. By the way, they believe in a philosophy called "Lakshmi Visistadvaita". I posted a question about it here:
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Q: Is the Vaikhanasa commentary on the Brahma Sutras available in English?

Keshav SrinivasanAs I discuss in this answer, one of the early movements that was important in the development of Vaishnavism was the ancient Pancharatra movement, whose sacred texts consisted of detailed procedures to worship the sage Narayana, an ancient incarnation of Vishnu. Since the Pancharatra texts origin...

@Keshav The link provided to the excerpt in the question doesn't work.
18:25
@SreeCharan Thanks, I fixed it. Does it work now?
@KeshavSrinivasan Yes. It works.
@Keshavsrinivasan Why are they more in Venkateshwara temples only?
@SreeCharan Vaikhanasas run lots of Vishnu temples, not just Venkateshwara temples.
@KeshavSrinivasan That excerpt is almost 4 decades old.
@SreeCharan Haha, four decades is nothing. I often quote articles written in the 1800's.
@KeshavSrinivasan Yes.But comparatively, Venkateshwara temples are more(if you see from wikipedia).
@KeshavSrinivasan Ha Ha....
18:32
@SreeCharan What Wikipedia article? By the way, Wikipedia says "Today Vaikhanasas are the chief priests in more than half of the Vaishnava temples in the South Indian states of Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh, and parts of Karnataka."
@KeshavSrinivasan Do you know how I got doubt about vaikhanasas ? Today, I have seen a video about tirumala temple. In which the chief priest of the temple explained history of temple and didn't even take the name of Ramanujacharya. Instead of the name of Ramanujacharya, he said our elders organised the rituals in the temple...
@SreeCharan Oh, I see the place in the Wikipedia article you're talking about: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaikhanasas#Adherents
@KeshavSrinivasan Yes that one.
@SreeCharan Yeah, that does list a lot of Venkateshwara temples. I don't know whether that's just because the particular temples Wikipedia is listing is dominated by Venkateshwara temples, or whether Vaikhanasas really serve more in Venkateshwara temples than in other Vishnu temples. Maybe a lot of those Venkateshwara temples are TTD temples.
@KeshavSrinivasan Are you active on social media?
18:39
@SreeCharan By the way, the Kanchipuram Shankaracharya claims that Swayambhu Vishnu temples have to be run by Vaikhanasas:
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Q: Are Vaikhanasa Agamas supposed to be followed in Swayambhu Vishnu temples?

Keshav SrinivasanAs I discuss in this answer, one of the early movements that was important in the development of Vaishnavism was the ancient Pancharatra movement, whose sacred texts consisted of detailed procedures to worship the sage Narayana, an ancient incarnation of Vishnu. Since the Pancharatra texts origin...

@SreeCharan No, I'm not. I have a Twitter account, but I mostly use it to follow other people. I sometimes use it to advertise our site though.
Our site also has a FB page. But its last activity is in april 2015. @KeshavSrinivasan
@SreeCharan Like I often search Twitter for advanced topics in Hinduism, like "Pancharatra" or "brahma sutras", and then if I find someone discussing those things I may invite them to the site.
@SreeCharan I think our site also has a Twitter account.
@Keshav Do you manage the twitter account of our site?
@SreeCharan No, I don't. I think there's just a Twitter account that tweets out links to questions.
There is only one account @Rapid_rar which redirects to your questions. This is strange. @KeshavSrinivasan.
18:59
@SreeCharan Oh, that's my Twitter account.
@KeshavSrinivasan So did anyone you replied sow up on the site?
@SreeCharan Well, lots of people I told the site about on Twitter expressed interest in participating in it. I'm no sure which ones if any actually joined the site.
@SreeCharan I even invited some famous people, like Rajiv Malhotra and Devdutt Pattanaik. Both of them said they were interested in participating, but neither of them have joined the site yet.
@KeshavSrinivasan Yeah. there is a meta post too about opinions on inviting famous people to this site(you know about it).
@KeshavSrinivasan From what I have seen from your replies are there were hot discussions about BG and caste system.
@KeshavSrinivasan I saw your discussions on twitter long ago about caste system.
You were supporting birth based caste system on twitter.
@KeshavSrinivasan Try inviting Subramanya Swamy. haha..
19:19
@TheDestroyer Yeah, how did you find out it was my Twitter account?
@SreeCharan Yeah, I discuss the caste system a lot on Twitter.
Time to leave @KeshavSrinivasan or should I say @rapid_rar ? Bye...
19:53
@SreeCharan Haha

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