Vedanta and Philosophy

Tezz

01:06

@KeshavSrinivasan Hmm... btw does he gives any scriptual evidence/pramana that one is not allowed to read more than one Shakha... ?.. or he gives only logical analysis..?

@KeshavSrinivasan "which is emblematic of later developments in Hindu thought." haha...lol.. you are thinking Mahadeva is among 11 Rudras... It is not supported by Vedas also... 11 Rudras are son of Surabhi whereas Mahadeva is son of Brahma... see Harivamsha Parva this chapter:

mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/hv_1_3.html

surabhI kashyapAt rudrAn ekAdasha vinirmame |
mahAdeva prasAdena tapasA bhAvitA satI ||1-3-49
ajaikapAd ahirbudhnyaH tvaShTA rudrAH ca bhArata |
tvaSTuH chaiva AtmajaH shrImAn vishvarUpo mahAyashAH ||1-3-50

Hallowed by her own ascesis and by the grace of mahadeva, the daughter of daskha prajApati, and the wife of kashyapa prajApati, lady surabhi, moulded eleven rudrA-s. Apart from those eleven rudrA-s, ajaika-pAd, ahir-budhnya, twaShTa, and ruda are also the progeny of surabhi, and tvaShTA's son is the highly glorious vishva-rUpa.

@KeshavSrinivasan see above "By the grace of Mahadeva, Surabhi moulded 11 Rudras."

@KeshavSrinivasan however their names and characters are similar like of Mahadeva. (being the Amshas of Mahadeva):... See the next verse:

haraH ca bahu-rUpaH ca tryambakaH ca aparAjitaH |
vR^iShA-kapiH ca shambhuH ca kapardI raivataH tathA ||1-3-51
mR^iga-vyAdhaH ca sarpaH ca kapAlI ca vishAMpate | 1-3-52

Oh, king, the eleven rudrA-s are: hara, bahu-rUpa, tryambaka, aparAjita, vR^iSha-kapi, shambhu, kapardi, raivata, mR^iga-vyAdha, sarpa, and kapAli.

Tezz

01:27

@KeshavSrinivasan and what do you think of Daksha Yajna described in short in this chapter of Shanti Parva: sacred-texts.com/hin/m12/m12b110.htm here Yudhisthira raises question and Bhishma answers it... It is witnessed by Parvati... "The daughter of the king of mountains, sitting by his side, shone in brilliance. "...

Sree Charan

04:31

While I was searching on Buddhism, I found an article. See public.wsu.edu/~brians/wcsyllabus/buddhind.html . Especially point 2 @KeshavSrinivasan @Tezz @TheDestroyer @SwiftPushkar @Pandya @KrishnShweta

Tezz

04:46

@SreeCharan haha lol.. "whereas in Hinduism only the brahmins could achieve moksha."

@SreeCharan I think we should intrepret Brahmin here as "who knows Brahman"...

Sree Charan

@Tezz Yes. But the author of that post doesn't do that.

The Destroyer

@Tezz I will check Daksha Yajna in Bori Critical edition.

14 hours ago, by The Destroyer

@Tezz Do dead have only existence without Consciousness and bliss?

Tezz

@TheDestroyer you mean dead body... ?

The Destroyer

@Tezz yeah.

Tezz

@SreeCharan yes... he doesn't know about Hinduism...

The Destroyer

04:52

only Sat without chit and Ananada?

@SreeCharan half baked people are dangerous.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer I think dead body is not different from a stone or table etc... now what do you call stone and table.. only sat not chid and aananda? In Vyavaharika level it may seem so... but in the Paramartha level everything is just Sat Chid and Aananda...

@SreeCharan @TheDestroyer he doesn't know Buddhism also "Mahayana Buddhism also introduces the idea of (temporary) heavens and hells." Theravada Buddhism also clearly talks about higher realms like Maha Brahma Loka and so on....

The Destroyer

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A: What is the difference between living beings and dead matter according to scriptures?

First, your interpretation of verse 7.5 is almost there, but not quite, which leads to your confusion. It is best to read verses 4-7 together and not separately. Verse 4 refers to the apparent division of Brahman, the Self, when seen through Maya. According to Sankara’s commentary on this verse, ...

Tezz

@TheDestroyer see Aitreya Upanishad:

III-i-3: This One is Brahman; this is Indra, this is Prajapati; this is all these gods; and this is these five elements, viz. earth, air, space, water, fire; and this is all these (big creatures), together with the small ones, that are the procreators of others and referable in pairs to wit, those that are born of eggs, of wombs, of moisture of the
earth, viz. horses, cattle, men, elephants, and all the creatures that there are which move or fly and those which do not move. All these
have Consciousness as the giver of their reality; all these are impelled by Consciousness; the universe has …

The Destroyer

@Tezz Does stone have consciousness?

Pandya

05:24

@SreeCharan Either they do mean "who knows Brahman" (as Tezz said) by Brahmin or (However and) they don't know various paths to Moksha! Haha

Tezz

@TheDestroyer I think in the Parmartha level it has consciousness...

The Destroyer

@Tezz At Parmartha level, everything is Satchidananda.. I want to know in Vyavaharika level.

Pandya

@Tezz Btw, do you believe/think that time (Samay) is/can only exist due to Maya?

The Destroyer

@Tezz Also, is it possible to have only chit without Sat? Unmanifest "sat"?

@Tezz Did you see Swamiji's answer?

Tezz

@TheDestroyer see this question: hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/13744/…

The Destroyer

05:30

@Tezz yeah. saw that.

I don't remember where i saw this but saw this scene in a Video. BTW, how can insentient pot get Moksha? — The Destroyer Jun 21 '16 at 8:02

Tezz

this story of Krishna hiding in Dadhipanda's pot and granting Moksha to Dadhipanda and his pot?

@Pandya I believe Time exists only due to Maya... what do you think... ?..

The Destroyer

@Pandya You answered that question. Do dead bodies have only "existence" without consciousness?

Pandya

@Tezz Haha I also think/believe same!

@TheDestroyer which question (where)?

The Destroyer

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Q: What is the difference between living beings and dead matter according to scriptures?

I am trying to understand from a spiritual point of view what distinguishes the dead from the living. I read in Bhagavad Geeta 7.5 that there is an inferior and superior nature of the self. The superior living on the inferior. But what exactly is the difference? I am confused because this implies...

Pandya

@TheDestroyer ok. Btw, you may have noticed that it can be concluded differently according to Advaita and Vishishtadvaita as I discussed in my answer.

Tezz

05:37

@TheDestroyer yes, I read it...

Pandya

@TheDestroyer Related:

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Q: Do Sri Vaishnavas believe Vishnu is the direct or indirect sustainer of the body?

The Rahasyatraya Sara is a work by the Sri Vaishnava Acharya Vedanta Desikan, concerning the meaning of the Rahasya Traya or three secrets of the Sri Vaishnava sect (of which I am a member). (One of these secrets is the Dvaya mantra used to surrender to Vishnu, which I discuss here.) In this exce...

vishnu philosophy sri-vaishnava vedanta vishishtadvaita

Haha

The Destroyer

@Tezz Did Swamiji say dead bodies only have existence without consciousness? I think they shouldn't have consciousness as they can't move on their own but they "exist".

SwiftPushkar

GM All 💐🌸🌞🙏

The Destroyer

only one out of Sat-chit-Ananda.

Pandya

@TheDestroyer Btw, while writing that answer I had not read the Adi Shankaracharya Bhashya on BG & BS!

I think @Tezz (and Kesahv) has completely read Adi Shankaracharya Bhashya on BG & BS.

Tezz

05:42

@TheDestroyer I don't think he means that... what I think is he tried to say that unmanifested Brahman is seperate from creation...

@Pandya No, I haven't read BSB fully... just only some parts of it....

Pandya

@Tezz ok

The Destroyer

@Tezz i'm not clear with his answer. But, what about "future" of rocks? Do they get Moksha like Pot? How can pot get Moksha?

Tezz

@TheDestroyer everything which has Nãma and Rupa are just modification of Brahman... same in the case of pots stones and etc... It may be that formations of pots stones etc.. are result of some previous karmas...

@TheDestroyer see this question:

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Q: What is the Nyaya argument for Karma being the instrumental cause of the Universe?

The Agama Pramanya is a work by the famous Sri Vaishnava Acharya Yamunacharya arguing that the Pancharatra texts, which are foundational to mainstream Vaishnavism as I discuss here, are legitimate Hindu scriptures. (He also composed another work on a related subject which I discuss here.) In th...

karma philosophy vaishnavism sri-vaishnava pancharatra

Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz "Hmm... btw does he gives any scriptual evidence/pramana that one is not allowed to read more than one Shakha... ?.. or he gives only logical analysis..?" Yes, he only gives logical analysis. I may post a question on whether it has a scriptural basis.

Tezz

The idea seems to be that everything that happens in the Universe, including the formation of the Earth and mountains and so on, is a product of the law of Karma, being the phala or fruit of some good deed or bad deed that some person committed in the past. (In the case of the Earth's creation it would have to be someone living in an earlier age on a previous planet Earth.)

The Destroyer

05:49

@Tezz But i never came across anything getting reborn as stone or mountains?

Himavat is exception i think. haha.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Parvatis father is Himalaya...

Mainak Parvat...

Pandya

@Tezz Btw, have you read Panchikaranam of Adi Shankaracharya? /cc @KeshavSrinivasan

Tezz

@KeshavSrinivasan haha you may post... but I'm sure you won't get answer.. 😀😀

The Destroyer

@Tezz But previously mountains used to move. So, they must have consciousness.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer similarly Astras also have forms...

Keshav Srinivasan

05:51

@Tezz @TheDestroyer The passage quoted in my question is not talking about mountains being created due to the mountains' past Karma. It's talking about mountains being created due to someone else's past Karma, for instance a mountain may be created so that someone can later climb it.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer I think everything has consciousness to some level... we can't perceive it... eg. We can't perceive consciousness in mountain now also...

Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz Haha, I may get answers to my questions eventually if and when the site gets more experts.

The Destroyer

@Tezz Then even hydrogen atom should have consciousness.

at Vyavaharika level.

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya No, I've never heard of it.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer yes, I believe hydrogen atom also has consciousness...

Pandya

05:55

Panchikarana

Panchikarana is the Vedantic theory of how matter came into existent originating from the primordial five subtle elements. It is the method and process of the subtle matter (or the prior stage of matter) to transform itself into gross matter. Intelligence is the subtle manifestation of consciousness and matter its gross manifestation. Adi Shankara wrote a treatise on this theory, titled – Panchikaranam, which was elaborated by his disciple Sureshvaracharya, and later on commented upon in 2400 slokas by Ramananda Saraswati, disciple of Ramabhadra, and in 160 slokas by Ananda Giri, disciple o...

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan what does it mean by pot getting Moksha?

Tezz

@Pandya No, I haven't read it...

Pandya

@Tezz I'm talking about Panchikarana

@Tezz I'm planning to read Panchikarana recently...

The Destroyer

@Tezz Then Darwin Theory of evolution must be correct. It says insentient molecules formed sentient beings. We do have conciousness like our building blocks. But i think Atoms realized in between which Darwin missed. Haha.

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya By the way, the origin of material elements is also described in Adhyaya 2 Pada 3 of the Brahma Sutras.

@Pandya By the way, it seems the Panchikarana is really short: swamij.com/shankara-panchikaranam.htm

Pandya

06:05

@KeshavSrinivasan Yes, it is very short: celextel.org/adisankara/panchikaranam.html /cc @Tezz

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya It seems similar to the Mandukya Upanishad.

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan How?

@Tezz You can get (read/download) Sanskrit+Hindi version at archive.org/stream/…

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya The Mandukya Upanishad also relates the waking state and the like to Vishwa and Taijasa and all that.

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan Though I've not read Panchikarana yet.

@TheDestroyer I don't think any Jiva can get unconscious body (say matter).

The Destroyer

@Pandya Pot is not Jiva.

Pandya

06:21

@TheDestroyer I didn't get what you mean by Moksha of pot.

The Destroyer

@Pandya see this question

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Q: What scriptures describe Krishna hiding from Yashoda in Dadhipandan's yogurt pot?

As I discuss in this question, the famous Sri Vaishnava Acharya Ramanujacharya once visited the town of Thirukkolur in order to see the Vaithamanidhi Perumal Vishnu temple, when he saw a little girl walking out of the town. He asked her, given that everyone wants to go into to Thirukkolur to see ...

mythology vishnu krishna vaishnavism sri-vaishnava

Pandya

@TheDestroyer Hmm.. read it.

> Dhadhipanda also asked for moksha for his pot and Krishna acquiesced. As promised, Krishna gave moksha to both Dhadhipanda and his pot

@TheDestroyer sorry I can't understand "the worth/meaning of giving Moksha to pot". :(

How can one ask for Moksha of things? and How can insentient matter get Moksha?

@TheDestroyer Btw, you may be agree that Moksha can be attained by only who is in bondage....

Mukti and Bandhan are related thing and can't exist alone!

@TheDestroyer I mean if there is a Mukti then there must be a Bandhan and if there is a Bandhan then there must be a Mukti. (I mean philosophy of Mukti and Bandhana). What do you think?

The Destroyer

06:38

@Pandya i think same. I have asked Swami Vishwananda in comments. If i don't get satisfactory answer, i post a question.

Pandya

07:59

@TheDestroyer oh! now I got you mean:

Swamiji, do you mean "Dead" have existence (sat) without Chit and Ananda (Consciousness and bliss)? — The Destroyer 17 hours ago

And are you saying I've answered your that question (by chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/34847550#34847550 message)?

The Destroyer

@Pandya No. I didn't get clarity on this.

Pandya

@TheDestroyer ok

Pandya

08:37

@Tezz @KeshavSrinivasan Did you heard something like: "Guru come to help if one really needs help according to him/her spiritual level?" If there any scriptural reference for such thing, then I think we can provide answer to this question like: "If one really deserves (according to spiritual level), then Guru come and help him"... /cc @SwiftPushkar

The Destroyer

08:47

@Pandya Yes. I think Suta Samhita says Dakshinamurthy will help us to get Guru or Dakshinamurthy alone comes for qualified aspirant if he is serious.

@Pandya You might know, Adi Shankara read Suta Samhita of Skanda Purana 21 times before writing bhasya to Brahma Sutras.

Pandya

@TheDestroyer oh! I don't know! Thanks for informing..

The Destroyer

@Pandya Previously, many Swamijis read Suta Samhita before reading Upanishads or Vedas.

Pandya

@TheDestroyer ok. You may provide answer according to Suta Samhita. (Dakshinamurthy)

@TheDestroyer Then I think you can recommend me! Haha

The Destroyer

@Pandya Suta Samhita is not translated into English. I'm not sure about exact verses. I read in a blog. I mailed Shaivam.org and Kamakoti people asking Suta Samhita in telugu or English. It's the best book to know Guru aspect of Brahman. Dakshina murthy.

Pandya

@TheDestroyer Do you've/know Sanskrit+Hindi version?

The Destroyer

08:53

@Pandya See this question

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Q: What scriptures mention Shiva's Dakshinamurthi form?

One of the most popular forms of Shiva worshipped in South India is the sage Dakshinamurthi, whose name literally means "the South-facing form". Dakshinamurthi is the subject of the famous Dakshinamurthu Stotram, a hymn commonly attributed to Adi Shankarcharya (although this is disputed) which s...

mythology shiva puranas avatars adi-shankaracharya

@Pandya I think i know Hindi version. Let me check.

Pandya

@TheDestroyer Yes, I've read your discussion with Tezz. Let me ask : @Tezz Do you've/know Sanskrit+Hindi version of Suta Samita of Skanda Purana?

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya- Yes , About Guru comming to help - I will check whether we can find something in puranas ,etc , their are lot's of such a stories we hear /read in books etc.but will find that in scriptures , like GuruCharitra , or from Saint literature , संत वाङ्मय etc. 😊👍👍👍

Pandya

@SwiftPushkar Yes, have you visited this?

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya - One odd story , I remember is "Shukrachrya" warns Bali , but offcours thats not rescuing in real , but somewhat related😊

Pandya

@TheDestroyer I think this is in Tamil

Sanskrit

The Destroyer

09:01

@Pandya Yes. Tamil. BTW, there are many temples for Dakshinamurty in Tamilnadu. This is the reason, Tamilnadu is education hub for Enginering in India.

Pandya

Marathi /cc @SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer Yes, I think Hyderabad is considered hub for GATE preparation and coaching.

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya - I think in Hinduism we have indivisual guardian deties according to indivisual faith, belief , traditions etc.Some believe Rama as guardian deity (रामरक्षा) ,Some Devi (devi-Kavacha) , Some believe in Lord Narayana (Narayan Kavacham) नारायण कवच also श्री हनुमान Hanumana protects us , Maruti stotra (मारुती स्तोत्र)😊

The Destroyer

@Pandya for Competitive exams hyderabad is good but for Engineering Tamilnadu is good. There are also few temples for Dakshinamurthyin Andhra. Famous is Sri Kalahasti Temple.

Pandya

@TheDestroyer ok.

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya - By the way ,about Gotra pravara question - Panchangas used to list all this Gotrawali in them some years bav

Pandya

09:05

@SwiftPushkar Yes, of-course!

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya - By the way ,about Gotra pravara question - Panchangas used to list all this Gotrawali in them some years back , but now they stopped printing that.

but still will check in books

Pandya

@SwiftPushkar oh! which Punchanga publication do you use?

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya - Its our local Marathi panchanga called Date Panchanga दाते पंचाग , (दाते -surname)

datepanchang.com

@Pandya - Blogs are listing all that info :)-ramanan50.wordpress.com/2014/02/23/brahmin-gotra-list

Pandya

@SwiftPushkar Nice found! Btw, I've many times come across ramanan50.wordpress.com

SwiftPushkar

@Pandya -Ok , thanks , 😊 ,but i am finding old panchangas ,which we kept , we will surely find all in that , so in this way , i can give ref.to panchanga 😊 :)

Pandya

09:15

@SwiftPushkar sure!

familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Brahmin_gotra_system

Sree Charan

10:56

See this question :

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A: What was Duryodhana's actual name?

As per wiki it clearly says that he was having 2 names Suyodhana and Duryodhana.

Looks like What was the actual name of Sita. I came to 2 conclusions, 1. That her acrtual name is sita. 2. Her actual name is Janaki but later got the name Sita. :/

Pandya

11:21

@KeshavSrinivasan Have you any idea about "who is the interpreter (or English translator)?" of the texts available at Vedabase? Prabhupada? ISKCON? /cc @Tezz

Pandya

11:54

@TheDestroyer I don't know much about ISKCON except full-form. I've just read wikipedia page and found that it is founded by Swami Prabhupada in 1966 and belongs to Gaudiya Vaishnavism or Achintya Bhedabheda. Btw, I've heard many people are disagree with ISKCON. /cc @Tezz

The Destroyer

12:59

@SreeCharan In Sanskrit, i think people don't have actual names. People are named just after attributes they possess.

@Pandya ISKCON is brainwashing cult established by Prabhupada. It is based on Brahmavaiavarta Purana, most corrupted Purana among 18 Mahapuranas. But they fabricate and misinterpret Srimad Bahagavatam to prove Krishna is supreme God just like Abrahamic Religions. Followers of ISKCON believe, Bhagavatam is superior to Vedas. They aslo propose many wierd theories.

Sakthi

13:34

@Anyone here we need a support

@AnkitSharma

The Destroyer

@Sakthi What support?

Sakthi

@TheDestroyer do you know jallikattu problem in tamilnadu

@TheDestroyer it is practiced from 5000 years but now it is stopped and it is due to PETA and in tamilnadu college students and many of farmers over lakhs of people are protesting against it and if you share about jallikattu in your whatsapp and facebook it will be helping our state old tradition

@TheDestroyer i will upload the links now

@ChinmaySarupria hai please help by sharing this problem

@Pandya please share this

please share this two links to save our tradition:

Pandya

13:57

@Sakthi what?

Sakthi

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/…

huffingtonpost.com/nathan-j-winograd/…

Pandya

@TheDestroyer Hmm..... ok.

@Sakthi looks off-topic!

Sakthi

these two links are for our jallikattu all over tamilnadu and other about PETA

Pandya

@Sakthi Btw, I don't use facebook or such social media :P

Sakthi

@Pandya This is tradition problem and our belief is that if we pratice jallikattu there will be rain from god

Keshav Srinivasan

14:00

@Pandya Yes, Prabhupada.

Pandya

@Sakthi ok. Btw, I don't know about that tradition completely and hence can't criticise.

Sakthi

@KeshavSrinivasan @TheDestroyer @ChinmaySarupria read this and please share this two links

@Pandya its ok if you share this link to others because many people are protesting without food for 3 days and even now actors and government employees and IT employees and other departments and are protesting

Keshav Srinivasan

@Sakthi Why should I care about preserving the tradition of bull-fighting? Is it a Hindu tradition or just a practice unrelated to Hinduism?

Pandya

@Sakthi Btw, this is not a social chat room. SE chat is a:

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@Sakthi protesting without food! :(

Keshav Srinivasan

@Sakthi In any case, the only context in which I know about bull-fighting in Tamil Nadu is the Rajnikanth movie Morattu Kalai (that's the movie with the song "Pothuvaga Yenmanasu Thangam").

Pandya

14:05

@KeshavSrinivasan Yes, got it!

Keshav Srinivasan

@Sakthi Oh, is it about praying to the gods for rain?

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan I think @TheDestroyer is familiar and may explain us.

Sakthi

@KeshavSrinivasan it is said in our tamil scriptures but i forgot what is the scripture

The Destroyer

It's related to mating. Jallikattu is part of cycle. Indian Bulls (with Bump) are sent to mate with cows on open fields for some days and "Bulls" being bit arrogant won't heed to farmers after mating. So, youngsters in Villages go and make them heed by chasing them by holding "bumps". After Jallikattu, bulls are made friendly and used in Agriculture. This used to happen in olden days. Now, after "white revolution"(Indians cows are mated with Jersey Bulls) and this tradition is lost.

But i think in rural Tamil Villages, same cycle is still happenning.

Sakthi

@TheDestroyer I THINK IT IS SAID IN KALLI THOKAI

Keshav Srinivasan

14:11

@TheDestroyer They don't think the Bhagavatam is superior to Vedas, they believe the Vedas is superior to the Bhagavatam. But it is true that they misinterpret the Bhagavatam to prove that Krishna is supreme. Regarding the Brahma Vaivarta Purana, it's not clear to me if Gaudiya Vaishnavas based their beliefs on it or whether they're the source of the interpolations in it. But yes, ISKCON has many strange beliefs and they're arguably a cult.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan PETA India gave half baked proofs to Supreme Court that this Jallikattu is same as Spanish Bull fight.

@KeshavSrinivasan No. My friend is follower of ISKCON. He says Vedas are not in original form and he says we lost true Vedas. So, ISKCON says them to follow only Bhagavatam.

Sakthi

@TheDestroyer How are you saying this jallikattu about mating

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan Do you mean "sect" by "cult"? (I don't know the exact mean by cult).

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer I don't think that's the standard belief of Gaudiya Vaishnavas.

The Destroyer

@Sakthi I read in some blog written by some Tamilian. Traditionally it's a part of mating Indian Bulls (the one with "Bump") with Desi Cows. But i think in some villages it became tradition.

@KeshavSrinivasan Yeah. I also don't think. But ISCKON Chennai may have that belief.

Sakthi

14:15

@TheDestroyer No it is not about mating and it is followed in our varna system was there before british came here

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya Gaudiya Vaishnavism is a sect of Hinduism. (Just like Sri Vaishnavism is a sect of Hinduism.). ISKCON is a modern-day organization that believes in Gaudiya Vaishnavism. But I'm saying ISKCON is arguably a cult. A cult is a religious organization that brainwashes its members and the like.

Sakthi

@TheDestroyer did you see the link that i post

The Destroyer

@Sakthi This is also a conspiracy of PETA India to decrease Indian bulls and increase their Jersey hybrid bulls which is part of Capitalism. These foreign NGOs always have hidden agendas which is earning more money and showing that they are superior to us.

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan oh! ok. Then I think we should not recommend or cite their interpretations. What do you think?

The Destroyer

@Sakthi In Andhra near Tirupati, jallikattu was performed and Police couldn't do anything. haha.

Sakthi

14:20

@TheDestroyer i agree with you completely in peta destroying bulls but that link i given has people all over tamilnadu protesting agaisnt it and do you think mating of bulls problem or our tradition

@TheDestroyer thanks

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya Well, Gaudiya Vaishnavism is still a major sect of Hinduism, so citing Prabhupada's works is useful if you want to show what Gaudiya Vaishnavas believe about something.

The Destroyer

@Sakthi I may not know complete history or tradition behind Jallikattu as i'm not from Tamilnadu. But i read that on Quora. I will also see your links. Yeah. I know many people were protesting near Marina Beach.

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan So, are they properly teaches beliefs/philosophy of Gaudiya Vaishnavism?

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan I think we should "proofread" their translations before posting here. See how they involved Shiva, even though Sanskrit verses have mention of Shiva (in your Lakshmi choosing Vishnu answer).

Pandya

I've some work; will be back.

The Destroyer

14:26

@KeshavSrinivasan didn't your parents tell you anything about Jallikattu? It's hot news in tamilnadu now.

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya Yes, they do.

@TheDestroyer No, I've never heard of Jallikattu. Maybe Brahmins don't participate in it.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Not all actually. May be in America but not here in India.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer Prabhupada accurately conveys the beliefs of Gaudiya Vaishnavas, if you compare his works with the works of earlier Gaudiya Vaishnavas. If you have a problem with the beliefs of ISKCON then you really have a problem with the beliefs of Gaudiya Vaishnavism (which you should, because Gaudiya Vaishnavas believe in many strange things).

@TheDestroyer The only context in which I've seen bull-fighting in Tamil Nadu is the classic Rajnikanth movie Morattu Kalai:

Murattu Kaalai (1980 film)

Murattu Kaalai (English: Rogue Bull) is a 1980 Tamil film produced by AVM Productions. Directed by SP. Muthuraman, the film stars Rajinikanth, Jaishankar, Rati Agnihotri and Sumalatha in the prominent roles. This was the first film for Rajinikanth with AVM Productions. AVM had stopped producing films by 1970 and Murattukaalai was their re-entry into Tamil films. It was dubbed in Telegu as Oorikokkadu. This film boasts of the highest budget ever for a Rajini starrer at that time. == Cast == Rajinikanth as Kaalaiyan Jaishankar Rati Agnihotri as Kannamma Sumalatha Y. Gee. Mahendra Suruli Rajan S....

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Haha. I have problem with all philosphies except Advaita. But among all philsophies, i find Gaudiya strange. But what i want to say is, ISKCON temples in India are not strictly following teachings of Prabhupada. They sometimes knowingly or unknowingly deviate from their philosophy by saying random theories.

Keshav Srinivasan

@TheDestroyer I think there are stranger philosophies than Gaudiya Vaishnavism, like Purva Mimamsa, although it has no followers anymore.

The Destroyer

14:38

@KeshavSrinivasan i think everything gets corrupted with time.

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan ok. Then strange or brainwashing thing is actually belifs of Gaudiya Vaishanava not ISKCON?

Keshav Srinivasan

@Pandya The strange beliefs are a property of Gaudiya Vaishnavism. Brainwashing and the like would be a property of ISKCON.

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan haha. Well said.

Pandya

@KeshavSrinivasan ok. Haha

@TheDestroyer Btw, I've a copy of Bhagavad Gita (that they call "As it is") in Gujarati and yes, I don't like their interpretation sometimes.

The Destroyer

14:59

@Pandya yeah. Even i have the same version in telugu. i regret now purchasing their version. I will soon replace it with Adishankara commentary.

Pandya

@TheDestroyer "replace" Haha!

The Destroyer

@Pandya haha.

The Destroyer

15:38

@Pandya @Tezz @KeshavSrinivasan @SwiftPushkar @SreeCharan What do you think about TShirts with photos of Hindu Gods printed on them?

Pandya

@TheDestroyer Though I've not thought much on it but I don't like it especially when personality of one not match with photo :P

The Destroyer

@Pandya Do you mean those who wear it?

Pandya

@TheDestroyer yes, I mean when him/her behavior doesn't match with the photo. Are you getting?

The Destroyer

@Pandya ok.

Pandya

15:59

@TheDestroyer btw, I think it is not good idea/thing to print photos of god printing on T-shirts that are targeted to marketing in public. What do you think?

The Destroyer

16:16

@Pandya i don't know. This is the reason i asked your opinion. But modern paintings of Shiva/Rudra on Tshirts look cool. But not sure Dharmically.

Pandya

@TheDestroyer Shiva and Rama always looks cool to me!

The Destroyer

@Pandya Yes. same to me. I like Rama next to Shiva.

The Destroyer

16:39

@Tezz Do you know any story of Shiva giving boon to Aghoras that "Aghoras have power to grant Mosksha (by killing)"?

SwiftPushkar

16:52

@TheDestroyer - yes , T-shirts with Gods or Hinduism SE logo is grt.idea, but i think we will graduate first and then will uses this as PROMOTION , as done by Electical SE and pointed by @KrishnShweta :)

@TheDestroyer @Pandya - We also can prints HE SE logo Mugs and can print Calendars etc. Even with BETA mark also , that is also :) fine

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Lol. I'm not asking to promote our site by printing Hinduism SE on Tshirts but just asking opinion about "printing Hindu Gods photos on Tshirts".

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer - oh ok , i thought ... :)

The Destroyer

like this

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer = Anyway i Dont think this is a good practice , unless one is going to keep that Shirt in a proper place and do take care of that , eg. only wearing while doing meditation ,puja , on festivals etc. also washing it in proper way , ..

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Yeah. I think washing is problem.

But many websites are selling them.

I think if i ask a question on this, it will be closed as opinion based question. Haha

SwiftPushkar

17:03

@TheDestroyer - yes , they are popular among Teens and among many foreigner's , during kumbha-MEla etc.

@TheDestroyer - No it will not be asked as such , this is very IMP question :)

@ChinmaySarupria - Like ur new avatar photo :)

Chinmay Sarupria

@SwiftPushkar Thanks.

The Destroyer

@ChinmaySarupria Planning Shiva hair style? :P

Chinmay Sarupria

haha no

SwiftPushkar

@ChinmaySarupria - i am planing to visit RAJ.& GUJ ,next week , visiting Somnath , jaipur , Abu etc., but still not fixed :)

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar what is Abu?

Chinmay Sarupria

17:06

Mount Abu

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer - mount Abu , in Rajasthan

Mount Abu

Mount Abu ( pronunciation ) is a popular hill station in the Aravalli Range in Sirohi district of Rajasthan state in western India near the border with Gujarat. The mountain forms a distinct rocky plateau 22 km long by 9 km wide. The highest peak on the mountain is Guru Shikhar at 1,722 m (5,650 ft) above sea level. It is referred to as 'an oasis in the desert' as its heights are home to rivers, lakes, waterfalls and evergreen forests. Nearest Railway station is Abu Road railway station which is 27 km away. == History == The conquest of Mount Abu in 1311 CE by Rao Lumba of Deora-Chauhan dynasty...

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Ohh..wiki says Vasista and Vishwamitra had fight there.

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer - HAHA and i think both of them turned into birds , its in puranas , read that story as footnote somewhere :)

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Valmiki Ramayana doesn't say anything about turning into birds.

@SwiftPushkar Spiritual tour?

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer - not sure , that is same story or not , but faintly remember the footnote abt this :)

@TheDestroyer - Yes , somewhat , visiting relatives in Ahamadabad , so will , see some places in that , and havent visited somnath so , that is priority :)

The Destroyer

17:12

@SwiftPushkar ok.

SwiftPushkar

@ChinmaySarupria - By the way , now a days why are u not taking part in chat ? pls. do visit often :)

Chinmay Sarupria

@SwiftPushkar I've been busy developing websites and working on my existing app. But I do open the site atleast once a day.

SwiftPushkar

@ChinmaySarupria - oh , ok , I thought u r not visiting .. , ok :) BTW i know some HTML basics also , and can create simple web pages :) with flash and css

Chinmay Sarupria

@SwiftPushkar That's great :)

SwiftPushkar

@ChinmaySarupria - but i really want to learn a prog. language , but find it difficult , tried to learn Javascript some years back ..

Chinmay Sarupria

17:18

@SwiftPushkar Try to learn HTML, CSS and Javascript from here htmldog.com

SwiftPushkar

@ChinmaySarupria - i know HTML and css commands , so now want to learn C# or java etc, BTW which languages are mostly used in apps developement ?

Chinmay Sarupria

@SwiftPushkar Java is used for developing Android apps.

SwiftPushkar

@ChinmaySarupria - ok , and is there any prog. such as we can write program in HTML and then that program will convert it in APP , ie. for those who dont know programming part , but still they can develop using readymade menus etc..?

Chinmay Sarupria

@SwiftPushkar Yes, there are a lot of such tools through which app can be made without coding. One such tool is PhoneGap, using which apps can be made by html, css and javascript.

here is another one appinventor.mit.edu/explore

SwiftPushkar

@ChinmaySarupria - ok , thanks , will look into that ...:) yes the site looks useful

@ChinmaySarupria @SreeCharan - will sleep now , GN , nice 2 talk with u TC and thanks to chinmay , he is always ready to help ...:)

Chinmay Sarupria

17:31

@SwiftPushkar Good Night :)

Sree Charan

@SwiftPushkarGood night.

Sree Charan

18:44

@KeshavSrinivasan Hello...

in Hinduism, 13 hours ago, by Sree Charan

Has anyone thought before why there is only a diamond beside a moderator in SE?

What do you think about answers on this question? @KeshavSrinivasan

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Q: What was Duryodhana's actual name?

I have come across two opinions on this: This was his actual name His actual name was Suyodhana and he was later on known as Duryodhana. What was Duryodhana's actual name?

mahabharata history name duryodhana

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