Vedanta and Philosophy

SwiftPushkar

18:00

@TheDestroyer - yes , sorry i was writing ans. now do tell me wht do you want?

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Can you check death chapter of Krishna from Bhagavatam of GeetaPress Edition?

and check whether jara is mentioned as Vali's rebirth.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer hmm.. I just remembered Harihara stuti made by Markandeya in Harivamsha.. while reading those Agni and Soma part..

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer - just a sec.

The Destroyer

@Tezz Yeah. I really like that chapter. It's awesome.

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar hmm.. nice answer..👍👍👍

@TheDestroyer have you read HariHara stuti in Harivamsha?..

The Destroyer

18:04

@Tezz No. I think you posted a question and answer on that.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer no, that stuti was composed by Adi Shankara..

The Destroyer

@Tezz ohh..

Tezz

It's avaliable here: mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/vishnuparva/hv_2_125.html

The Destroyer

@Tezz Thanks!

Tezz

agnimagniH praviShTastu agnireva yathA bhavet |
tathA viShNuM praviShTastu rudro viShNumayo bhavet ||2-125-34
As fire that enters fire becomes fire, when rudra (shiva) enters viShNu, he (rudra, shiva) will become full of viShNu.
rudramagnimayaM vidyAdviShNuH somAtmakaH smR^itaH |
agnIShomAtmakaM chaiva jagatsthAvaraja~Ngamam ||2-125-35
Remember that rudra (shiva) has the soul of fire and viShNu has the soul of soma (nectar, moon). All the world including the fixed and movable beings have the combined souls of fire and soma (shiva and viShNu).

SwiftPushkar

18:07

@TheDestroyer - oh already checked for that question , there is mentioning of jara the hunter & conversations btw.Shree krishna & him , but no rebirth description regarding vali's rebirth as jara.

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar ok :)

Tezz

@TheDestroyer compare this Agni and Soma part with those verses of Linga Purana...

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - आभार , Thanks for encouragement😊👍👍

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar 😊😀

Sree Charan

@Tezz Good answer and +10 rep

Sorry. That was for @Swiftpushkar..

Tezz

18:11

@SreeCharan which answer?...

The Destroyer

@Tezz haa. Apt comparision. But i assumed Soma as Uma as He said Purusha and Prakriti. But Uma is Vishnu which is true in the other way too.

Tezz

@SreeCharan oh ok...

@TheDestroyer read verse 7.. Soma is Uma..

Verse 1 is just for absolute level...

The Destroyer

@Tezz yes.

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - Yours also is fantastic answer , that's real finding and quick तेज also 😀

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar haha..

The Destroyer

18:16

@Tezz where do Vaishnavas have problems with Pasupata Yoga?

@Tezz see verse 12. He says that many times in Linga Purana.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer because it holds Pasupati is eternal.. Pasupati unties Pasha of Jeevas etc..

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz @TheDestroyer @KeshavSrinivasan @SreeCharan - Now will take your leave GN bye ,see u , it's really nice to have such a good company of yours😊👍👍

Tezz

The universe comprising of shame fear and confusion is created by me.

@TheDestroyer so it is Lord Shiva behind all our confusion... haha..😀😀

The Destroyer

@Tezz sorry verse 11

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar Good night...

The Destroyer

18:20

@Tezz yeah. he is creator of confusion and also destroyer of confusion.

@SwiftPushkar Good Night bro

Tezz

@TheDestroyer yes Pasupata Yoga is good..even the Atharvasiras says "PashuPaasha Vimokshanam".. and in Yajurveda Rudra asks boon to be Lord of Pashus before Tripura Samhara... so Devas are also Pashus...

The Destroyer

@Tezz How Shiva created Kapila Samkhya Yoga?

Tezz

@TheDestroyer but I don't consider Shaiva Aagama as infallibile authority.. but believe in Pashupata Yoga.. I also don't consider Pancharatras as infallible authority... but I believe in forms of Vishnu like Aniruddha, Pradyumna etc...

The Destroyer

@Tezz BTW, i downloaded Dakshina murthy stotrams sang by Bombay Sisters

Tezz

@TheDestroyer he may be the subtle cause for it.. it's like how Shiva killed all the warriors of Mahabharata..

The Destroyer

18:25

@Tezz But All temples work based on principles laid in their respective Agamas. How can they go wrong?

@Tezz According to Skanda Purana, Hari hara killed those warriors.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer oh... Dakshina Murty stotra is one of my favourite stotra...

@TheDestroyer Skandha Purana which chapter..,?

The Destroyer

@Tezz

Sri Dakshinamurthy Stotras || Bombay Sisters || Devotional Songs

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Do you know Carnatic music?

Tezz

@TheDestroyer I think they are fine for ritualistic purpose.. but not fine for philosophical aspect...

The Destroyer

Carnatic music

Carnatic music, Karnāṭaka saṃgīta or Karnāṭaka saṅgītam is a system of music commonly associated with the southern India including the modern states Andhra Pradesh, Telangana, Karnataka, Kerala, and Tamil Nadu, but also practiced in Sri Lanka. It is one of two main subgenres of Indian classical music that evolved from ancient Hindu traditions, the other subgenre being Hindustani music, which emerged as a distinct form because of Persian and Islamic influences in northern India. The main emphasis in Carnatic music is on vocal music; most compositions are written to be sung, and even when played...

Tezz

For instance AdiShankara in Brahma Sutra Bhasya rejects both Shaiva Aagams and Pancharatra Aagams..

The Destroyer

18:28

@Tezz Ohh ok.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer hmm.. nice description...

The Destroyer

Brbarika chapter of Kaumarika Khanda - Maheshwara Khanda

@Tezz how should we get Dakshina murthy as Guru? Now, i'm learning his slokas and soon will do pooja for Him on Thursdays. I need to bring his photo.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer what Barbarika says left is actually right isn't it..? He is describing from his angle.. In HariHara form Hari is in left side...

@TheDestroyer oh ok.. nice.. praying sincerely will surely work...

The Destroyer

@Tezz yeah. I got the same doubt. I thought Shiva was right only for Ardhanareeswara.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer I think Shiva is also right in HariHara form also...

@TheDestroyer in any case what Barbarika is describing isn't actually HariHara form . ... they aren't mixed...

The Destroyer

18:38

@Tezz Yeah. Either Barbarika got confused or it was interpolated by some "confused Jiva".

Tezz

@TheDestroyer haha..

The Destroyer

@Tezz Why did Rudra kill warriors in Mahabaharatha?

Tezz

@TheDestroyer because Rudra is The Destroyer ... 😀😀

The Destroyer

@Tezz Haha.

@Tezz I'm "The Destroyer" and I'm Rudra aka Shiva. Haha... Sivoham

Tezz

@TheDestroyer haha..

Because he is time.. and time engulfs all...

The Destroyer

18:41

@Tezz Did Mahabhartha mention any reason?

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Shivoham Shivoham... to reach Shivoadvaita state of Mandukya Upanishad...

The Destroyer

@Tezz Ohh.. i don't know ShivoAdvaita state of Mandukya Upanishad.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer I'm not sure... btw Krishna doesn't also blame Ashwatthama for killing upapandavas and other warriors that night... when Arjuna asks how was it possible to do such destruction for Ashwatthama.. Krishna says that It was all done by Mahadeva.

@TheDestroyer It is the Turiya state which is beyond Jeeva, Jagat and Ishwara...

The Destroyer

@Tezz yeah. Even Shiva purana says the same.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer the English translation of the verse goes as:..

7. The Fourth is thought of as that which is not conscious of the
internal world, nor conscious of the external world, nor conscious of
both the worlds, nor dense with consciousness, nor simple
consciousness, nor unconsciousness, which is unseen, actionless,
incomprehensible, uninferable, unthinkable, indescribable, whose proof
consists in the identity of the Self (in all states), in which all
phenomena come to a cessation, and which is unchanging, auspicious,
and non-dual. That is the Self; that is to be known.

Auspicious and Non Dual

The Destroyer

18:49

@Tezz Vamana Purana says Shiva used his 3rd eye to burn 5th head of Brahma. But that chapter looked spurious to me. Shiva (not Kala Bhairava) get relieved from Brahma Hatya by visiting Varanasi (wonder why He visits or he didn't known His own city). But Vamana Purana also says, Brahma and Vishnu weren't able to find top and bottom of Linga. I am actually confused to whether believe it or not.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer the Sanskrit verse is:

नान्तःप्रज्ञं न बहिष्प्रज्ञं नोभयतःप्रज्ञं न प्रज्ञानघनं
न प्रज्ञं नाप्रज्ञम् । अदृष्टमव्यवहार्यमग्राह्यमलक्षणं
अचिन्त्यमव्यपदेश्यमेकात्मप्रत्ययसारं प्रपञ्चोपशमं
शान्तं शिवमद्वैतं चतुर्थं मन्यन्ते स आत्मा स विज्ञेयः ॥

The Destroyer

@Tezz Ok. I know about turiya.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Vamana Purana is Shaiva or Vaishnava Purana..?

The Destroyer

@Tezz I think Vaishnava Purana.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer oh ok..

The Destroyer

18:51

@Tezz Even language is not good but at same time they praise him lord of all worlds.

Tezz

Maybe for some Brahmas Shiva did with 3rd eye...

The Destroyer

The text is named after one of the incarnations of Vishnu and probably was a Vaishnavism text in its origin.[1] However, the modern surviving manuscripts of Vamana Purana are more strongly centered on Shiva, while containing chapters that revere VIshnu and other Hindu gods and goddesses.[2][3] It is considered a Shaivism text.[1][4]

wiki says this

Tezz

@TheDestroyer or it is interpolation...

The Destroyer

I will post some screenshots see them.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer oh so.. it is Shaiva Purana.. like Kurma Purana...

The Destroyer

18:53

Tezz

@TheDestroyer omg.. I'm wondering why is it using such languages..

The Destroyer

@Tezz Yeah.

bad language.

Tezz

"I'm burning myself in the sensual fire.."

This is too much..

The Destroyer

@Tezz But Shiva burns Kama Deva in succeding lines. in that chapter Kama Deva hits Shiva 3 times. And 4th time Shiva burns him.

@Tezz Looks spurious.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer oh ok . .. Vamana Purana narrAtes story of which kalpa..?

The Destroyer

19:00

Kurma Kalpa

Padma Purana - Padma Kalpa (hence the name)
Vishnu Purana - Varaha Kalpa (current Kalpa)
Vayu Purana (includes Shiva Purana) - Sveta Kalpa
Bhagavata Purana - Sarsvata Kalpa
Naradiya Purana - Brhat Kalpa
Agni Purana - Isana Kalpa
Bhavishya Purana - Aghora Kalpa
Brahma Vaivarata Purana - Rathantara Kalpa
Linga Purana - Agneya Kalpa
Varaha Purana - Manava Kalpa
Skanda Purana - Satpurusha Kalpa
Vamana Purana - Kurma Kalpa
Kurma Purana - Lakshmi Kalpa
Matsya Purana - Vaivastara Manvantara of Varaha Kalpa

Tezz

I need Markandeya Purana in the above list...

But Matsya Purana in that chapter doesn't tell about it..

The Destroyer

@Tezz Yeah.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Ok.. I should sleep now.. good Night... we shall talk tomorrow... 😀😀

The Destroyer

@Tezz Bye! Good night

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