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3:17 AM
@Tezz It is available in English as a physical book, but I'm not sure if it's available online in English.
 
 
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4:26 AM
Good Morning To All ๐Ÿ˜ƒ๐ŸŒž ๐ŸŒท๐Ÿ™
 
4:50 AM
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Q: Which scriptures describe Dadhichi hiding Kshatriya children from Parashurama?

AryaThis Wikipedia page on Dadhichi says that he saved some Kshatriya children from Parashurama's wrath by hiding them in the Hinglaj Devi Temple. This site and this wiki page on Hinglaj Mata gives an account of how a King known as Ratnasena of Sindh took shelter at Dadhichi's ashram as Parashurama...

Possible , already has been answered ๐Ÿ‘‡๐Ÿ‘‡
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Q: Leftover Kshatriyas after Lord Parshuram's sanitization

YogiLord Parshuram sanitized earth by killing kshatirya generations for 21 times. From what Dharma calls that the one who is humble and does not raise a weapon he should be granted sharanagati, & due to this Lord Parshuram would have been merciful to the Kshatriyas who surrendered to him. So accordin...

@Pandya @TheDestroyer @KeshavSrinivasan ๐Ÿ‘†๐Ÿ‘†๐Ÿ™† @Tezz @SS.
 
5:10 AM
@KeshavSrinivasan So, Was Appayya Dikshitar an Advaitin?
@SwiftPushkar Does that answer refer to Hinglaj Devi?
 
@Pandya -hmm no i think ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ‘
 
@SwiftPushkar Btw, I find you seems copying url from address bar to link or share Q/A posts. You can use link provided by share button; links like ...../q/id and ...../a/id . Those are useful while linking or sharing posts.
 
@Pandya - Yes , ok๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
 
@SwiftPushkar further it can give you badges you know?
 
SS.
@Pandya where is he sharing?
 
5:24 AM
@Pandya - oh , i didn't knew that , how ๐Ÿ˜ƒ
 
@SS. He is using full urls like https://hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/12438/leftover-kshatriyas-after-lo‌​rd-parashuramas-sanitization instead he can use shorter url.
 
SS.
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Q: When does all water become impure as a result of sharing Indra's guilt of brahminicide?

RickrossAs per the Puranic story being discussed in this post Indra, after killing the demon called Vritra, acquired the brahmahatya dosha. His gulit was thereafter shared by women, earth, water and the trees. The women as result started to have menses and they are from then on wards considered as being...

 
@SwiftPushkar whenever you share link by share button you'll find your user id e.g ..../a/<postid>/<userid> check and tell me.
 
SS.
@SwiftPushkar announcer, booster & publicist :)
 
@SS. I make it more clear for Pushkar (by editing your comment) if you don't mind
 
SS.
5:32 AM
@Pandya No problems.
 
@SS. Btw, what does "W" stand for in the flag of your Avatar?
 
@Pandya -Yes here it is ๐Ÿ˜ƒ
 
SS.
@Pandya Wilderness explorer
 
5:39 AM
@SS. ok.
Yes, actually no need to click, open and copy link from box, you can just do it by right clicking (or holding tap from Android) on share button and "copy link
address" โ˜บ👍
 
@Pandya - oh ,ok do you mean sharing q/a with FB & Google + users , oh I know that๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ , but unfortunately i dont have FB account & didn't use g+ often , but anyway thanks for that๐ŸŒท๐Ÿ‘
 
@SwiftPushkar not only sharing on social sites, it can also be easy for sharing or linking posts to your another post, comments or chat-messages etc. (I mean short & sweet url) โ˜บ
Btw, you're not alone; I also don't have FB account! Haha
 
SS.
6:15 AM
@TheDestroyer @SwiftPushkar @Tezz @Pandya @MetaEd @KeshavSrinivasan @Yogi @LakshmiNarayanan Watch the video. It's good.
@Pandya @SwiftPushkar Are there any mention of number of spokes to Sun God's chariot?
 
@Pandya - Ha Ha , ๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ , i like this site ? more than FB & What's app etc.
@SS. - I will check and will tell you that โšฝโ˜ฎ๐Ÿ”˜๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ‘
@SS. - Yes ,will watch later , writing answer ๐Ÿ“โ˜บ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ’
 
6:38 AM
@SwiftPushkar Ooh!
 
6:57 AM
@LakshmiNarayanan - Hii , ๐ŸŒท๐Ÿ™๐ŸŒž Actualy finding & simultaneously writing๐Ÿ˜€
 
@SwiftPushkar Hello! Nice :) Check out my new question -> hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/18383/…
 
@LakshmiNarayanan - Yes , checked already ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
 
@SwiftPushkar :D
 
@LakshmiNarayanan - BTW , very thanks ,Nice edit of my answer ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
 
@SwiftPushkar you are too kind!
 
7:07 AM
@LakshmiNarayanan - ๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€ No oooo , but you did a nice job , so it's my duty to acknowledge your deed ๐Ÿ†
 
@SwiftPushkar Haha Thanks! Which questions are you answering?
 
@LakshmiNarayanan - BTW , we can ask a question about thanking someone here , like "Which scripture describes we have to say thank you to somebody who has done you some favor? " ๐Ÿ˜€
 
@SwiftPushkar What is the sanskrit phrase that is used? Is Dhanyavaad applicable?
 
@LakshmiNarayanan - Actually finding source for 2-3 , let's see ...
@LakshmiNarayanan - yes Dhanyawad is right one , also Abharam Tvam Prati - เค†เคญเคพเคฐเค‚ เคคเฅเคตเค‚ เคชเฅเคฐเคคเคฟเค‚ - means thank you
 
@SwiftPushkar cool
 
7:13 AM
@LakshmiNarayanan Story of Parvatha Muni is mentioned in Sahyadri Khanda of Skanda Purana. Parvatha Muni asks Shiva boon and Shiva grants boons as per his wish.
 
@TheDestroyer Son of Silada Maharishi?
 
@LakshmiNarayanan I don't know his father. But Parvatha muni has many siblings, bhadra (on which famous Rama temple Bhadrachalam) is located. His siblings have turned to many hills in Andhra.
 
@SwiftPushkar Is the second one, Abharam Tvam Prati, scriptural?
@TheDestroyer Oh! That's very interesting.
 
@LakshmiNarayanan - No , its general Sanskrit grammatical sentence ๐Ÿ“„ ,not related to scripture ๐Ÿ˜Š
 
@LakshmiNarayanan I can say both stories don't conflict. Seshadri is named after Seshachalam. Venkatadri is the hill brought by Garuda from Ksheera Sagara.
 
7:19 AM
@TheDestroyer - oh , intresting , ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
 
@SwiftPushkar ok, did you learn sanskrit at some point?
@TheDestroyer they do na, (all) the hills of srisailam are said to be part of the tail of SheshaNaga according to the story.
 
@LakshmiNarayanan - from 4th standard to 10th - in school๐Ÿค๐Ÿ““๐Ÿšธ๐Ÿ‘จ
 
@LakshmiNarayanan I think Parvatha story happened first. But i think word "claimed" is not accurate in your question.
 
@SwiftPushkar oh wow, scholar alert! :D Most of the people i know usually take sanskrit to score marks so they take it even till 12th!
@TheDestroyer it is a claim given there are conflicting accounts :)
hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/9404/… @TheDestroyer Good Question btw
 
@LakshmiNarayanan - ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚ me & scholar not in any manner , I don't know Sanskrit very well still , it takes years to be scholar ,I have just started ๐Ÿ˜ƒ
 
7:25 AM
@LakshmiNarayanan If it is claim, what about second account?
 
@TheDestroyer Yes, both are to be considered until a resolution is possible.
 
@LakshmiNarayanan But, you mentioned word claimed only for Srisailam not for second story.
 
@TheDestroyer I have changed it to 'stated', which is the same meaning as 'account', i hope this pleases you :P
 
@LakshmiNarayanan Thanks! I already got a resolution on that. Ananta is the one which stays with Vishnu forever and sesha is the one who incarnates in every Manvantara.
 
@TheDestroyer yes, AnantaShesha means endless beholden and AdiShesha means first beholden
 
7:32 AM
@LakshmiNarayanan Thanks! Not pleasing. But neutrality :P
 
@TheDestroyer LOL, I would poke more fun but i'm afraid you will threaten to walk :P
 
@LakshmiNarayanan btw, ex chief minister of Andhra, YSR, said he would build church on Tirumala hills (He was christian). And, tadaaa, his copter was hit to hill (part of Srisailam Hills) at Rudra Kona.
@LakshmiNarayanan Hmm.. it's better if we stop this here. :P
 
@TheDestroyer reminds me of that character, the name slips me, who badmouths Perumaal but Lord gives Moksha anyway because he wants him to stop this activity!
 
He said Venkateswara doesn't need all 7 hills.
@LakshmiNarayanan I don't think this is Moksha.
 
@TheDestroyer wow, just wow
@TheDestroyer btw, where did you find the answer regarding AnantaShesha and AdiShesha?
@SwiftPushkar Yes, i totally agree. I saw some of the learning material, it is very non-trivial. Although i think there are lots of effort going on to make the whole learning process easier for people who are totally unacquainted with the language to learn and continue learning it.
 
 
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9:14 AM
@TheDestroyer @LakshmiNarayanan @sree charan @KeshavSrinivasan

what do shastras say about those who are born and/or raised abroad ?

what is their eligibility for vedas and initiations like pancha samskara?

whats view of dharmashastra for crossing 7 seas
@SS.
 
SS.
@RakeshJoshi I think we should ignore crossing seas these days. Because, travelling to other countries is lot easier than the time when the smritis were written.
 
???
just enquiring about scripture point of view
 
SS.
About Pancha samskaras?
I don't know about vedas.
 
these abroad birth etc and relation to initiation
 
SS.
But a person who has faith in Lord Vishnu and is ready to accept initiation are eligible. No bias based on gender, caste.
 
9:21 AM
???
 
SS.
Am i not clear?
 
i m not asking about gender caste
 
SS.
There is no bias on nationality also.
 
non hindu can also get
?
 
SS.
Who has faith on the initiation, Accepts Vishnu as the supreme lord. He will be a hindu isn't it?
Feb 20 at 17:18, by Tezz
@SreeCharan for instance... if someone makes a Muslim perform Sharanagati ritual by keeping gun in his head.. made him complete Sharanagati ritual and utter Dravya mantras... then he will be liberated... (isn't it? @KeshavSrinivasan )
@RakeshJoshi ^^
Feb 20 at 17:18, by Sree Charan
BIG NO.
This was my reply. ^^ @RakeshJoshi
 
9:29 AM
damn r u sree charan?
why name change
 
SS.
LOL. Yeah.
 
SS.
May 13 at 16:47, by SS.
@TheDestroyer Just for a change.
 
i read somewhere about importance of being born in india and death in india
 
SS.
Oh!
@RakeshJoshi Do you believe in the concept of incarnations?
 
9:31 AM
whose ?
 
@RakeshJoshi I think they are not valid now. But if someone follows those Smritis and such rules about crossing oceans, they should also follow such rules of smriti which deny their initiation (if any such rules exist).
 
i m just asking rules because some people are upholding dharma shastras
 
SS.
Shiva, Vishnu all.
 
i think avatara concept is created to overshadow vedic gods
 
@RakeshJoshi without crossing oceans, Ancient India couldn't have performed trade with other countries.
 
9:34 AM
@TheDestroyer dwijas will be less na?
@TheDestroyer since when you started using logic :)
 
@RakeshJoshi Vaishyas are also Dvijas.
 
SS.
@RakeshJoshi I don't totally subscribe to Dharma shastras. Because they are added for some reason. If one crosses an ocean (probably in ships), one cannot perform daily rituals for so many days. So I believe they added that rule.
 
i think mostly they used to send servants along with shipments
@SS. that is one of reason . but i want to know what exactly they say
 
@RakeshJoshi It couldn't be possible (assuming servants are Sudra by Guna).
 
SS.
But these days, we are travelling to other countries within a day or two. So there will be no problem with our cleanliness.
 
9:36 AM
trade will be done via letters and mostly travel will be done via servents and labours
 
@RakeshJoshi I give very least preference to Smritis.
 
not u some people are here who are showing such things hence i raised this topics
there are some NRIs born abroad ...
 
SS.
There are some topics like child marriages. Which is very bad. So I don't accept those things too.
@RakeshJoshi One of our moderators is also born and raised in USA. YOu know who.
 
yes that is why i have raised question .
for those who support such dharmashastras
 
@RakeshJoshi I think Smritis are responsible for current situation of Hinduism. Bad Karma of our ancestors is responsible for current events. But still people, blame Kali is reason. Even if it is Kali demon, there will be a cause and effect. One of possible reasons could be following wrong Varna Dharma by blindly following interpolated or not properly interpreted Smritis.
 
9:41 AM
people other yugas were more evil than kali..
its a conspiracy of the priests
in US people will boast about being a scholar of religion.. no big deal here cos many scholar in every street .
 
@RakeshJoshi - I think I saw something about your this enquiry , I will let you know if i see that again ๐Ÿ˜Š
 
sure @SwiftPushkar

one old man said that for moksha it is essential to born/die in the land of india !!
 
Today is the day with lot's of activity , I like such days ๐Ÿ˜€
 
@RakeshJoshi This is true in most cases. But need not be always. No other religion talks about Moksha. But a serious Sadhaka may even get Moksha in other countries.
 
i m not taking of exception but general
i dont know on what basis mutt pontiffs are going abroad and giving samskaras..
smells commercial .
 
9:46 AM
@RakeshJoshi yes. Bharata is Moksha Bhumi, Punya Bhumi, Karma Bhumi.
@RakeshJoshi Some are real and some go for money.
 
@RakeshJoshi I think under SriVaishnava Sampradaya such considerations don't come into play.
 
@LakshmiNarayanan I read various references of Adi Sesha from Nitaaveda and came to this conclusion. But i can go wrong too.
 
@TheDestroyer which is real ?
@LakshmiNarayanan what about vedic initiation then ?
 
@RakeshJoshi In Vedas is being born outside of India mentioned as disqualification?
@TheDestroyer what is Nitaaveda?
 
i m asking ..
wesbite nitaai
iskcon
 
9:52 AM
@RakeshJoshi oh my
 
@LakshmiNarayanan Iskcon's website.
 
@SS. @LakshmiNarayanan any tom dick and harry can come and take up samskara ?
 
@RakeshJoshi Why what do you think should disqualify?
@TheDestroyer Hmmm, let me dig around and search for more sources.
 
@TheDestroyer - Yeah , thats clearly mentioned in puranas ๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
 
SS.
@RakeshJoshi It sometines depends on the acharya who gives the deeksha. Sometimes if the acharya is not satisfied, they reject too.
@RakeshJoshi Did you watch Beauty and the beast movie?
 
9:55 AM
no i did not watch it
 
@RakeshJoshi most importantly, it depends on grace of Perumaal
@SS. Oh! I didn't think they reject, they will ask you to do preparatory study perhaps?
 
talking hypothesis ..
 
SS.
@RakeshJoshi Tom dick and harry was first used in that movie I think. So asking.
 
what is proof of grace? does god give any certificate ?
ok
 
@RakeshJoshi No, there are things beyond proof which are true. If your concern is that they are not worth discussing i will refer to the disappearing evidence for origin of the universe argument...
@SS. Nice video post btw, keep them coming :)
 
9:58 AM
if X pontiff is initiating Y person how do we know if its due to grace or something else
 
@RakeshJoshi You don't need to know, if Y person believes X is his or her acharya that is sufficient.
@RakeshJoshi obviously, the question now is how to know if X is an acharya, for that only one traces parampara.
 
SS.
@RakeshJoshi I know some people who think of getting initiated. They waited for years and years for initiation. But they still don't get a chance or missed those chances due to some reasons. I think this is something beyond we can see with physical eyes.
 
@SS. - Yes ,there are 12 spokes to the only single wheel of Chariot of sun god - see ๐Ÿ‘‡
 
then how these points applicable to this discussion
 
@SwiftPushkar Did you understand the connection he was talking about in the end regarding Buddha and KalaBhairava?
@SS. ^
 
10:06 AM
@LakshmiNarayanan - Is he asking this in relation with the video , unfortunately i haven't seen it yet ,but just given reply to @SS. comment๐Ÿ˜Š
 
@SS. FYI, Dushyanth Sridhar is penning a sanskrit screenplay for a movie on Vedanta Desikar :D
@SwiftPushkar Do watch and tell me what you think.
@SwiftPushkar I don't think @RakeshJoshi is asking in the context of the video
 
@LakshmiNarayanan - No i was talking abt.you ,on your comment abt.Buddha & kalBhairava ,anyway ,i will watch it ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
 
@SwiftPushkar yeah it is part of video
 
10:29 AM
@LakshmiNarayanan - I haven't found and think that there is any connection between Kaal-Bhairava and Buddha and their kaal-Chakra tantra , Majority of buddhist material are just taken as it is from hindu texts with changed meaning , like mudras , concept of time etc.
 
kala chakra initiation takes places every year by dalai lama
but i think original stuff is lost now
 
@SwiftPushkar But are the mudras important? He is showing Jnana Mudra with Right hand and Dhyana Mudra with left.
 
@LakshmiNarayanan - And we cant surely say that deity under the second wheel is buddha it could be anyone.
 
@SwiftPushkar Also, i read somewhere that Kalki Avatara will be initiated in Kalachakra...
 
@LakshmiNarayanan mudras is most important in all sects .. esspecially agama
 
10:31 AM
@RakeshJoshi Yes, i know, they are part of Pancaratra Agamas as well presumably.
 
@LakshmiNarayanan - Yes mudras are important , but they are not exclusive to Buddhism , they were there from time of Rig-Veda , they later took them ๐Ÿ‘ŽโœŠ๐Ÿ‘Š๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘Œ
 
yes all agama its core importance
its predates vedas and any civilization
before language came into existence people interacted silently with hand and face gestures
 
@SwiftPushkar Agree, Mudras are steeped in our tradition, now they are being appropriated greatly in "NeoYoga" "traditions"
@RakeshJoshi How did you come to this conclusion?
 
if at all you believe anything called as evolution !! or right from the first day humans were using spoken languages?
now also when we meet people with unknwon language we use mudras to communicate
 
@RakeshJoshi - oh ok , what is it ? And is there specific purpose of that ,like getting imortality or increasing life span etc?
 
10:35 AM
further they are means of communicating with deities
by certain gestures you do specific invocations of deities
 
@RakeshJoshi Vocalisation would be an important tool of communication at the time of facial and hand gestural communication phase as well. I'm asking if you actually know if some research went into that conclusion...
 
it dont reasearch ... if you see movies.. first were movies then came talkies etc
prior to language also humans would have communicated
i went to karnataka i went to core area did not know language so used hand gestures..
@SwiftPushkar while my guru teaching me mudras .. said that five fingers have five tatvas and pranic energy flow in them
 
It's a classic trap, Language didn't happen overnight...Vocalisations of sound carried meaning during the period of toolmaking evolution when communication along with hand and face gestures would have been important
 
by combining various fingers and palms we regulate or increase/decrease the flow of certain energy for the time being
what trap
 
@SS. That's a good one btw is that a Saura temple, even preists are ignorant there!?
 
10:39 AM
@RakeshJoshi Thinking that language happened overnight, that communication via language has developed over very short span - language is an accumulatory phenomenon, it has evolved along with Hand & Face Expressions and other forms of communication.
 
@RakeshJoshi - oh ok , Grt. info. you have about mudras ๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
 
that is what i m saying no
 
SS.
@Yogi No. It is near Lepakshi. Airavateshwara temple.
 
@SwiftPushkar its part of my sadhana
 
@RakeshJoshi - Yes , keep it up ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ‘
 
10:41 AM
@LakshmiNarayanan mudras are neurophysiological locks
 
@RakeshJoshi I'm saying that vocalisation was hand in hand, pardon the pun, with Hand gestures, you are saying they pre-date.
 
@LakshmiNarayanan u can verify with historians and language specialist
wen i make XYZ sound how will others know its meaning
 
@RakeshJoshi Ahem, i work in the field of physical/scientific evolution for a living...
 
what is your qualification
 
@RakeshJoshi Good question (they are no stupid questions btw) I think that the knowledge would have happened along with these hand gestures, so for instance, i point to a rock and vocalise "RAAAAA" then next time i say "RAAAA" or after a few times with pointing you will know what i'm talking about.
 
10:44 AM
so pointing is first and then making sound RAA
 
@RakeshJoshi I'm a Mathematical Biologist.
 
qualification yaar
 
@RakeshJoshi Masters, doing phd.
 
means msc ?
 
@RakeshJoshi it is a process of learning, i'm saying that both would have coexisted, it is natural to make sounds not entirely in isolation from gestural and facial expression
@RakeshJoshi Masters in Engineering
 
10:45 AM
i m also a post grad in life science .
i know a thing or two about it .
 
@RakeshJoshi Which field?
 
pharma
 
@RakeshJoshi clearly not as much about this area i'm forced to conclude.
 
what field you did engeineering
 
@RakeshJoshi I was trained in EE
 
10:46 AM
and you boast about life science .. @SS. @TheDestroyer see this guy :)
 
@RakeshJoshi So you are a Medicinal Chemist type of guy or Clincal?
 
my masters in pharmacology ..
 
@RakeshJoshi Haha Nice strawman argument, I am a post grad in Life sciences after doing EE means that i know two fields not just one.
 
then why the heck are you ashamed of saying your qualification ?
 
@RakeshJoshi I told na, EE Bachelor's and Master's and doing PhD in Mathematical Biology
 
10:48 AM
its not pure science
darwin and other concepts as well as language concepts have to be deeply analyzed
when two people are far from each other where the sound is not reaching .. still they can communicate with language of hand
 
@RakeshJoshi What is this distinction between pure science and engineering? do the standards suddenly change for research in biology if you come trained from another field??
 
you can communicate with a neonate without any sound and just hand and face eye gestures.. try it
and it will also do the same
 
@RakeshJoshi LOL Eyesight diminishes with LOS, sound doesn't need LOS. It is natural that vocalisation was as important if not more so when we were gesturing a lot
 
i can answer you but then you will start crying for apologies .
 
@RakeshJoshi Just because something is taught doesn't mean it is recent. You have to teach a baby to take a dump doesn't mean it evolved recently the necessity to take a dump.
@RakeshJoshi so you will basically attack me instead of ideas then?
 
10:52 AM
cos you are not talking properly and using provocative phrases ..
deaf and dumnb people interaction would make no sense for a mathematician off course.
 
@RakeshJoshi what! no more provocative than i have received.
@RakeshJoshi Deaf and Dumb people exist, they are sadly not the majority.
 
Noam Chomsky, a prominent proponent of discontinuity theory, argues that a single chance mutation occurred in one individual in the order of 100,000 years ago, installing the language faculty (a component of the mindโ€“brain) in "perfect" or "near-perfect" form.[6] According to this view, emergence of language resembled the formation of a crystal; with digital infinity as the seed crystal in a super-saturated primate brain, on the verge of blossoming into the human mind,
with evolution of humans language came to existence
we can learn from animals that they use gestures while mating and other activities.
dance came first or language ?
 
@RakeshJoshi Animals vocalise, you only need look at our relatives the apes.
 
not in all places ...
peacoks expand their feathers
dance is nothing but a gesture ... body language .
internal music
 
@RakeshJoshi Chomsky's discontinuity theory is not the only major viewpoint in this area btw. In fact, people have been trying to prove chomsky's linguistic origins theory for years now and have no solid program that supports it in cognitive neuroscience that is accepted by the majority without question
@RakeshJoshi Why don't we go to level of bacteria then? there is neither gesture nor vocalisation.
 
10:58 AM
there is no proper theory for that matter .
yes
 
@RakeshJoshi There are various viewpoints, no proven theory.
 
see neuronal communication
but im only comparing vocal vs non verbal communication and their order of emergence
 
@RakeshJoshi what is your point? if you want me to read something specific, link and i'll be happy to
 
even atoms and atmic particles communicate
 
@RakeshJoshi I'm saying you can't separate them. Peacocks squawk to communicate territorial matters , come to my grandaunt's backyard, i will show you.
 
11:01 AM
but see major events ...
and i m saying about dance as a language of gesture ... an expression of joy
whose origin cannnot be traced ..
 
@RakeshJoshi Even same for vocalisation and facial gestures, there's no fine line that serves as a boundary.
 
my point is vocalization was limited but gestures were very frequent means of expression and communication.
 
@RakeshJoshi Both had finite combinations when they emerged...both evolved together, there is no separation of the two evolutionary processes into cause effect relations!
 
both have no proofs .. let the members use their logic and find out.
but dont forget ...

real prayer is folding hands, bowing down, closing eyes

not verbal :)
now try to trace first person who prayed ...
 
@RakeshJoshi Good Arguments have been made to forward what i'm saying right here...by me!
 
11:08 AM
i have also made good arguments.
with less boasting
 
@RakeshJoshi What, my whole claim is this business of "first evolutionarily speaking" is an outmoded Lamarckian concept that has no place to play until cultural evolution got set in
 
when u realize real prayer many of your questions will be answered .. no words no thoughts nothing.
good day..
BTW i m also researching on the supramental transformation evolution of human race.
 
@RakeshJoshi Glad to see you are assuming i have not experienced it. Clearly you are talking out of ignorance here.
@RakeshJoshi good day!
 
then when i said first person who started praying .. u did not say anything at all.
prayer is gesture in silence .
 
11:11 AM
i m focusing on new biological evolution to a supramental human race.
as proposed by sri aurobindo
 
@RakeshJoshi Are you reading publications by the Ashram?
 
and interacting with sadhaks
also visiting
 
@RakeshJoshi I would suggest you start reading Haplogenetics of the Human race, Archaeogenetics of the human race, evolution of sociality if you are seriously interested in this matters. My 2 cents.
@RakeshJoshi So have you read works on Aurobindo's philosophy by SatPrem?
 
to be frank aurobindo has not much revealed the secrets in his books
we find only in mothers books
 
@RakeshJoshi I'm sure the Ashram will not have his books, he was ousted as a rebel when he was the one who truly found a genuine continuation of Aurobindo's interpretation.
@RakeshJoshi Clearly, you haven't read SatPrem's works on SriAurobindo
 
11:14 AM
i am also correlating with HP Blavatsky
 
@RakeshJoshi Theosophical i see
 
no i m saying that mothers books have lucid and clear info
lucid dreaming and extra terrestial communication also important part of theirs .
its biologically different race..
the evolution is in a beginning phase
 
@RakeshJoshi To get flavor and taste for SriAurobindo, you need to go to a true disciple of his like SatPrem, of course Ashram wants nothing to do with him since he questioned the authority of so called ashram "leaders" in the later times of SriAurobindo and Mother
 
did satprem get descent of supramental force ?
 
@RakeshJoshi He was one of SriAurobindo's true disciples!
 
11:16 AM
that is okay
let us to go main root itself
the shape and creation of matri mandir is also for a reason
 
@RakeshJoshi This will help with that
 
the agenda of mother has many hidden secrets revealed i believe
preseently there is one scentist there he is well versed in this subject
auroville
 
@RakeshJoshi Auroville and by extension Ashram are trying to live by words of SriAurobindo and Mother yet they exclude stellar people like SatPrem from their roster of disciples, the disgrace of his ouster is a blot that will slowly kill the "official" integral yoga movement IMHO
in Agama and Tantra, 28 secs ago, by Rakesh Joshi
you will stoop to any level to uphold maths .. but people know its reality .
@RakeshJoshi why is it stooping to support mathematics and not when trying to disengage its essence?
 
quote n number of mathematicans who enligthen so that we can proceed further .. and i shall quote artists
 
@RakeshJoshi This is not worthwhile since i'm sure almost all great professional mathematicians are at a level spiritual more than self proclaimed artistic types. So why don't you start?
@RakeshJoshi The very activity of mathematics at the level as a craft done by many great mathematicians are purely spiritual activities to stretch the point further.
 
11:28 AM
if you cant say even exmaples then it says it all
also you can cite the references of great enligtened souls who have supported that mathematics has direct link to spirituality
that would be ok too
 
@RakeshJoshi I'll give one, he is indian also, he is truly a sadhaka in this area of showing the obvious connection between spirituality, god's grace and mathematics link to the same - Srinivasa Ramanujam
 
did sankara and ramanuja consider worthy of maths ?
how many people belived srinivasa is enligthened ? only biased viashnavites like you ? :)
 
@RakeshJoshi Did Gauss & Euler considered worthy of Scriptural Commentary and reformation?
 
its you who is linking to spirituality
 
@RakeshJoshi You wouldn't say things like this if you made even the slightest attempt to know his life story
 
11:30 AM
m askng did any great men before you knew this fact?
how many has acknowledged srinivasa as an enlightned being ?
 
@RakeshJoshi Almost everyone who knows about Ramanujam's story and his mathematical work can confirm
 
cite some great men na
sankara, madhwa, ramanuja, ramakeishna , who said manths is connected with spirituality
or from scriptures
saints
its because you are engaged into i t.. you are finding it hard to accept it as non spiritual
 
@RakeshJoshi Your lack of knowledge of mathematics is appalling to say the least.
 
not even one man you are able to quote to support your impotent claims ..
later i will fill your bag with references of artists and spirituality and enlightenment
 
@RakeshJoshi It is self evident if you engage in even in a little bit of mathematical meditation. I'm sorry to see such prejudice from someone who arms themselves and shields themselves with so much rationality to the point of exhaustion.
@RakeshJoshi I'll be happy to discuss this.
good day
 
11:40 AM
so first accept that not a single enlithened man has spoken in connectiion of spirituality and maths ..
bye
 
 
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@Pandya Yes, Appaya Dikshitar simultaneously believed in both Shaiva Siddhanta and in Adi Shankaracharya's philosophy of Advaita. Now this created some awkward situations for him, because Srikantha Sivacharya, the Shaiva Siddhanta commentator on the Brahma Sutras, advocated a philosophy called Shivadvaita which is very close to Ramanujacharya's philosophy of Visistadvaita except with Vishnu replaced by Shiva.
@Pandya But then Appayya Dikshitar wrote a work called the Shivadvaita Nirnaya which argues that properly interpreted, Srikantha Sivacharya's commentary actually advocates Adi Shankaracharya'a philosophy of Advaita, it only appears to advocate a Visistadvaita-like philosophy on the surface.
@Pandya I think that's ridiculous. If you read Srikantha Sivacharya's commentary, it's overwhelmingly clear that he believed in a philosophy very similar to Visistadvaita.
 
SS.
1:38 PM
@SwiftPushkar He looks like Buddha
 
1:53 PM
@RakeshJoshi Dharma Shastras don't put restrictions on being born or raised abroad. They do put restrictions on extended sea voyages though, because you can't perform Nitya and Naimittika Karmas unless you're on dry land.
 
@KeshavSrinivasan we are discussing that .. will come up if i find something.
 
@SS. - ๐Ÿ˜€ yes but i think the typical hair-style is not properly visible & many of hiunduism deities are also carved which looks like buddha , actually that depende upon the craftsman employed or the style of that particular region , many of hiunduism gods are depicted with such mudras ๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
 

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