Vedanta and Philosophy

Seeker

6:00 PM

Yes @Tezz Trika system explain that one very beautifully.

Rakesh Joshi

@TheDestroyer he is wise enough to understand which vedantins say :)

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi Sree Charan follows Visistaadvaita.

Sree Charan

@RakeshJoshi Vedantins means only advaitans say that. Actually I don't know about vyavaharika and paramatmika level. I am trying to understand about it.

Seeker

It is like Zooming in ourselves, Zoom out is liberation.

Rakesh Joshi

@SreeCharan excellent answer :)

The Destroyer

6:01 PM

@RakeshJoshi You don't need to test anyone here.

:)

Tezz

@Seeker haha... zooming in ourselves... nice..

Seeker

@Tezz 😀😀

Sree Charan

The Panchasamskara ritual is following Vishishtadvaita.

Rakesh Joshi

@TheDestroyer i m not testing but i feel that you are of opinion that either me or him are not clear that which vedantin accept ishwara as non real at absolute level

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer 😀

The Destroyer

6:02 PM

2 mins ago, by Rakesh Joshi

@TheDestroyer he is wise enough to understand which vedantins say :)

@RakeshJoshi then why did you say this?

Rakesh Joshi

i asked his opinion what he think about this.

The Destroyer

How it is not test?

Rakesh Joshi

let him speak na we dont need any proxy here. if he feels bad he will say it

Tezz

@Seeker by the way you may be already aware Brahma Sutras explain creation of world as just being Leela of Lord as I discuss here:

Rakesh Joshi

i have not made testing remarks on anyone here.

but in fact i have been time and again asked about what is my position in shastra . where i have learned etc etc. though i dont mind it

Tezz

6:05 PM

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A: What exactly is a leela (लीला)? Is there a scriptural definition of leela (लीला)?

First of all, a question arises: How or why is the name or concept of Leela relevant in Hinduism? It's because Brahman is defined as fully omniscient and omnipotent by many Vedic verses. Brahman is defined as being beyond mind and hence to be understood by Neti Neti or Not-this Not-this. So for...

Seeker

@Tezz nowadays "Leela of Lord* phrase seems a good excuse. 😂😯

Rakesh Joshi

@Seeker great one liner

Seeker

Leela of Lord immediately suggests

There is a desire in Gid

God

Which contradicts very nature of God

Rakesh Joshi

Sanjay leela is not doing good either @Seeker :)

Sree Charan

@Tezz Srimannarayan stopped Tirumangai alwar (last among 12 alwars) from being a robber. It is due to Alwar's devotion towards Lord.

Seeker

6:09 PM

Only which is incomplete can have desires,

Tezz

@Seeker haha yes... still every stories have their justifications from Karmic point of view...

Seeker

@RakeshJoshi 😂😂😂Yes.

Rakesh Joshi

Sanjay leela aur Raam leela ka zamaana hai @Seeker

Seeker

Question is very straight, thinking to ask on SE.

The Destroyer

@Seeker It's not like that. We are thinking from our perspective. We always try to justify things from limited things we know. (to say we have limited consciousness). But Lord is beyond everything. See Tezz answer.

Seeker

6:11 PM

@RakeshJoshi 😯😯😯 Pathetic.

Tezz

@SreeCharan oh I don't know about Alwars... I just know there were 12 Alwars... and I think NathaMuni is one of them...

Sree Charan

@Tezz I think that was directed to me. Nathamuni is not an alwar.

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi what does "Zamaana" mean?

Seeker

Yes, right @TheDestroyer. I don't know about Alwar sir @Tezz. 😯😐

Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer Generation

The Destroyer

6:13 PM

@SreeCharan ok.

Rakesh Joshi

@Tezz @TheDestroyer @SreeCharan contrary to puranas i do hold the view that creation is not same everytime ... i.e jagat is not repeated in a same way everytime.

like same mahabharat willl take place in all kalpa in a same way

because in world we see no repetitions as such

and gods ccreativity is unlimited.

no human is same as the other, no leaf is same as other and nothing in the world is exactly same as another.

The Destroyer

:)

Sree Charan

Jan 30 at 6:49, by Sree Charan

@TheDestroyer bhootam- poodatthalwar, sarascha- pogai alwar mahadaahvaya- pey alwar; bhattanatha- periyalwar; sri- andal; bhaktisara- thirumazhishai alwar; kulasekhara- kulasekhara alwar ; Yogi Vaahaan- Tiru Pani alwar bhaktanghri renu- Tondaradippodi alwar; parakala- Tirumangai alwar; yatindra- Bhagawad Ramanujacharya; Mishran- Sri Madhura Kavi alwar; Srimath parankusha muni- Sri nammalwar. @ChinmayaB @SwiftPushkar 12 alwars

Tezz

@Seeker Oh sorry I mistakenly mentioned you...

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan ok :) that was i precisely asking , thanks

Seeker

6:13 PM

Yeah. ;)

Sree Charan

@Tezz ^^

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi Noone holds creation is same everytime... there are variants...

Rakesh Joshi

then how come one character comes in every kalpa ?

Tezz

@SreeCharan I find very difficult to pronounce their names...

@SreeCharan Is Ramanujacharya also considered Alwar?...

Rakesh Joshi

no ramanuja is not alwar

Tezz

6:16 PM

@RakeshJoshi those character come which are mentioned in Vedas... because Vedas speak the eternal truths...

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Why Chinni (Chota) Krishna is not active? Krishna should be most active member here. I think as Krishna was born recently (you changed pic recently) , he is calm.

Sree Charan

@Tezz @SwiftPushkar Ramanujacharya is not an alwar. But he is mentioned in the verse. Because it is written by his shishya.In that verse he says Kuresha (shishya of Ramanujacharya) says he would always remember them

Rakesh Joshi

@Tezz is mbh repeated in all kalpas ? is puranas 18 in all kalpas ?

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi see my question and answer here for how variants take place... just an example:

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Q: Did the destruction of Daksha's sacrifice also happen in present Vaivasvata Manvantara?

It is a well-known event that Mahadeva destroys the sacrifice of Daksha when Devi Sati destroys herself in the sacrifice. But it happened in the Pitri Kalpa. Destruction of Yajna of Daksha is the symbolism of the fact that Devas due to their arrogancy are stupefied to such level that they procee...

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer haha bro , he is very much much active like past :)

Tezz

6:18 PM

@RakeshJoshi Puranas may not be 18 in every creation because there is not a Vedic statement that there are 18 Puranas...

Rakesh Joshi

@Tezz i feel your answer says that there will be only slight difference isnt it ?

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi No,Mahabharata also doesn't repeat in every Kalpas...

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi Events mentioned in Vedas happen in all kalpas. We can consider Vedas as Classes and Puranas as instances or Objects.

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi yes...

Rakesh Joshi

@Tezz vedas dont talk of vyasa and suka deva etc but they are repeated right ?

Tezz

6:20 PM

@RakeshJoshi Different Jeevas come to occupy the same position with same names mentioned by Vedas...

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi Present Indra name is Purandara.

Rakesh Joshi

suka is a position ?@Tezz

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi I think Vyasa is seer of some hymns of Vedas.. and Suka is mentioned in some Upanishads.. which maynot be authentic ... so not sure...

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi Even Brahma is just position. Hanuman is said to be next Brahma, though i don't know Scriptural evidence.

Rakesh Joshi

in next manvantara there will be rama and krishna etc?

@Tezz vyasa is not a seer for ANY mantra as far as i know ... if you know please let us know

Seeker

6:22 PM

Cosmic repeat telecast. 😂

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi Ramayana took place in Padma kalpa also... it isn't necessary that it always take place...

Rakesh Joshi

i am of opinion that creation is different everytime . not slight difference but almost full difference .

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi Yoga Vasistha mentions Kakabhusunda seeing Ramayana 11 times Mahabharata 12 times etc...

Seeker

😵😵

Rakesh Joshi

yes sir i do not hold this view that is what i meant in my eariler statements @Tezz

Tezz

6:24 PM

@RakeshJoshi will there be sun or moon in the next creation or not.. ?

Rakesh Joshi

talk about humans first na

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan oh ok , but as he is considered as Acharya , he also is in the category of Sant संत , but of Arch kind , and Main etc..:)

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi Do Vedas also change?

Rakesh Joshi

is there any statement in vedas which says that creation is same everytime ?

@TheDestroyer

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi do you think there can be creation without moon.. ?

The Destroyer

6:26 PM

@RakeshJoshi But there is a statement in Vedas which says Supreme Brahman refers Vedas to create Cosmos. It must be same creation by that statement.

Rakesh Joshi

assumption is not good . vedas never said world is dream yet people assumed it.

if vedas say that brahman creates same sort of world every time then we can analyse it

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi what assumption?

Tezz

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A: Where does Rig Veda states about Cyclical Nature of Creation?

10.190 is the Hymn to the creation in Rig Veda. In it's third verse it states sun and moon were created like that of previous creation. सूरय्याचन्द्रमसौ धाता यथा पूर्वमकल्पयत् I दिवं च पृथ्वीं च अंतरिक्षमथो स्वः II RigVeda 10.190.3 II "The Ordainer created the sun and moon like th...

Sree Charan

@SwiftPushkar Ramanujacharya made Vaishnavism popular. He wrote bhashyas on Prastanatrayi and made Vaishnavism popular. Not that vaishnavism didn't exist before him but with other name.

Rakesh Joshi

brahman refers vedas to create cosmos ... but does it mention that same cosmos will exist al times

The Destroyer

6:28 PM

@Tezz Nasadiya Hymn too says it.

Rakesh Joshi

what does it say sir ? @TheDestroyer nasadiya

Seeker

Sir, Kalki Puran is written in past tense. Now I understand that Kalki has happened already via theory of repetitiveness.

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi vedas are constant (as he refers them always), content is constant and as content is constant, it must be same creation. No assumption Sir!

Rakesh Joshi

@Seeker it amazes me ... these people have already come to know what is there going to happen in all the upcoming creations ... great astrologers also cannot know such things what holds in the mind of god

Sree Charan

GN all.

Tezz

6:30 PM

@Seeker there is also anothet possibility:

@sv. It is a common practice of describing a future event in past tense in our scripture... It is so because when sages want to know about future,... by samadhi they go to future and become third person omnipresent at that place and of that event... so for them it is already happened... so they describe by past tense like "said", "went", etc... — Tezz May 9 '16 at 2:13

Rakesh Joshi

@TheDestroyer what does nasadiya say i m waiting

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi Do you have correct translation of Nasadiya Hymn?

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan Yes , the vaishnavas previously , were known as Bhagvatas , The word Vaishnava is of recent origin i think , cause we wont find that word much in SB

Rakesh Joshi

u can say froim wiki also no prob ..

The Destroyer

I read it in "Spirtual heritage of India" by Swami Prabavanada.

@RakeshJoshi

Seeker

6:31 PM

@Tezz Oh time traveling possible according to Hinduism? @RakeshJoshi yes sir. Such predictions contradict the notion of free well.

Will*

The Destroyer

@Seeker No free will.

Rakesh Joshi

@Tezz @TheDestroyer when there is no creation at all then nasadiya is useless for you because it talks of creation. hence its illusion

The Destroyer

@Seeker

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Q: Does Shiva or Vishnu or Trikaladarshi Yogi know our Aagami Karma or our free will?

Aagami Karma is actions we do in this birth. This is generally said to be free will. See this question: Is our destiny predetermined? If yes, then why do our actions affect our karma?. Does Shiva or Vishnu or a Trikalagnani Yogi (who can know past, present, and future) know our Aagami Karma? Or ...

vishnu shiva philosophy karma rishi

@RakeshJoshi You talk always without context.

Seeker

Thanks @TheDestroyer.

Tezz

@Seeker there is one interesting case of time dilation:

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Q: How much earth year passes in 1 second of Brahmaloka?

Every religious book, Vedas and Purans , units of distances such as Yojana have been tried to be converted in English in modern age. In Such Situation How much is the 1 second of Brahmaloka on earth ? How much it be when applied to chaturyugas and manwantars ?

vedas scripture history brahma yuga

Rakesh Joshi

6:34 PM

@Seeker @TheDestroyer @Tezz

But, after all, who knows, and who can say
Whence it all came, and how creation happened?
the gods themselves are later than creation,
so who knows truly whence it has arisen?

Whence all creation had its origin,
he, whether he fashioned it or whether he did not,
he, who surveys it all from highest heaven,
he knows - or maybe even he does not know.[11]

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan - i think , puranas called (Vaishnavism) as Bhagvat Dharma , here Dharma word is used as path , and not as separate religion as such. :)

Rakesh Joshi

no one knows what was before creation and what will be after creation but you people have already known about upcming creatons :)

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi yes, you are joining world as Illusion here... and it is without context...

Rakesh Joshi

then accept that there is some creation as accepted by nasadiya which is against advaita

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi We know before creation (now) but after creation no one knows what happened before except Brahman alone.

Rakesh Joshi

6:36 PM

@TheDestroyer but you already told which things are going to be repeated in upcoming creations like daksha yajna , ramayana etc

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi Nasadiya Sukta is talking about How the Avyakta manifested as Vyakta jagat... it is not talking of present creation...

Rakesh Joshi

@Tezz which creation and which manvantara is it talking of then ?

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi First tell me context of Nasadiya Hymn.

Seeker

@RakeshJoshi Sir look at these both the latest threads. 😵

The Destroyer

CONTEXT PLEASE>

Rakesh Joshi

6:37 PM

@TheDestroyer the context is creation as per rig veda

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi Ramayana necessarily doesn't repeat..
However Destruction of Yajna repeats...

Rakesh Joshi

you said kak bhusundi already saw it 11 times ?

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi I didn't understand context but i know now some events which happens in future but after creation i don't know past things till i read Vedas and Puaranas.

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi more than 18000 kalpas has passed in this Brahmas life...

Rakesh Joshi

@TheDestroyer @Tezz world originates in a spontaneous manner out of swatantrya shakti

Seeker

6:39 PM

Sir @Tezz Daksha, Jalandhar etc went to the Brahmalok. But lacs of years didn't pass when they returned.

Rakesh Joshi

these revelations would make you nominee for padma bhusan award

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi At time of creation (freshly in that cycle), i don't know any past events and only Brahman knows them.

Now Ok?

Tezz

@Seeker I think they went in BrahmaLoka present in Meru Parvat...

Rakesh Joshi

then you are saying all cosmos will be same .. ramayana will hapen . daksha will happen . moon will come

Seeker

@TheDestroyer Answer implies indirectly that everything is fixed at the time of first karma ( creation).

Rakesh Joshi

6:40 PM

its like doubting on creative power of brahman \

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi Ok... you may help to nominatem..

Rakesh Joshi

@Tezz if you take indian citizenship i will send a letter to president :)

Seeker

@Tezz Mount Meru has different Brahmalok?

The Destroyer

@Seeker No. There's no first life. cycle of creation, Preservation and Destruction is happening since eternity.

Rakesh Joshi

what will happen with us tomorrow we dont know how can we be sure about next creations

Tezz

6:42 PM

@Seeker I think There is also a Brahmaloka in earthly dimensions ie. In Svetadwipa...

Seeker

@TheDestroyer 'Since eternity' is hard to digest.

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi Major events are already predestined. Don't you believe in Trikaladarshi Yogis?

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi haha I won't take...

Rakesh Joshi

then tell me what is going to happen in upcomingyears @TheDestroyer as per any prophecy

The Destroyer

@Seeker That's only way to make Law of Karma sensible and logical.

Seeker

6:43 PM

@Tezz Why can't we witness then? Even where is Sumeru Parvat?

Rakesh Joshi

@Tezz where is that mount meru on eath ? this research is worth a noble prize

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi

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Q: What do we know about the future Mahayugas?

Background: The four Yugas (Satya, Treta, Dwapara, and Kali) together make up one Mahayuga. 1000 Mahayugas make up one Kalpa, which is one day in the life of Brahma. After the Kalpa is over Brahma goes to sleep, and there's a Pralaya which destroys the three worlds, at the end of which Brahma ...

mythology puranas scripture yuga time

Seeker

@TheDestroyer Yes. Some truths can be known by experiences only.

The Destroyer

@Seeker Even Vedas say that.

Tezz

@Seeker our eyes aren't worth seeing it...

Rakesh Joshi

6:45 PM

@TheDestroyer even though i practice astrology but i cannot predict as good as you guys .. kudos to you.

i will stick to nasadia and related hymms ... let the creation be mystery and unique

Tezz

@Seeker I think it also comes in description by Sugriva in Ramayana to Vanaras...

Rakesh Joshi

@Seeker see whats app

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi Yes, you may stick to it... but we believe many events are repeated... and Adi Shankara tells the same in Brahma Sutra Bhasya... Ramanujacharya also tells the same....

Seeker

Yes. ✌✌👏 @Tezz @RakeshJoshi @TheDestroyer

Rakesh Joshi

more than acharyas i go with Rig veda.. you may choose other literature

The Destroyer

6:47 PM

@RakeshJoshi You don't believe in Puranas. So, you don't believe these things.

Tezz

In every age the Gayatri mantra is heard by a sage named Vishwamitra..

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A: Sandhyavandanam before the age of Vishwamitra?

In every age the Gayatri mantra is heard by a sage named Vishwamitra.. In this section of Ramanujacharya's Sri Bhashya, his commentary on the Brahma Sutras, Ramanujacharya explains how sages with the same names hear the same mantras after undergoing Tapasya: As words such as Indra and Vasisht...

Rakesh Joshi

i m quoting nasadiya which u dont want to accept

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi In every Kalpa, Indra loves Ahalya.

Rakesh Joshi

and sankara rapes kashi queen @TheDestroyer

Tezz

The idea is the Brahma uses the Vedas as a blueprint for the creation of the world. In particular Brahma, knowing that certain mantras have certain sages' names associated with them, proceeds to create sages with those very names.

By the way, the fact that the Vedas describe things that are common to every age is the reason why the Vedas seem to refer to specific stories despite being eternal; see my answer here.

@TheDestroyer it isn't necessary he rapes... "he loves..."

The Destroyer

6:49 PM

@RakeshJoshi The story of Indra is mentioned in Vedas. I'm not quoting out of thin Air,.

@Tezz as mentioned in Vedas.

Rakesh Joshi

i m also quoting from story written by sankaras pupil not my imagination

Seeker

@RakeshJoshi "and sankara rapes kashi queen " 😂😂😂

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi Does it say in every kalpa?

Rakesh Joshi

@TheDestroyer if all great souls come then why not sankara ?

he doesnt go to raurava right for commiting adultery ?

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi Shankara may come... but it isn't necessary that he necessarily comes...

The Destroyer

6:51 PM

@RakeshJoshi You should talk with Pramana? Simple saying is of no use in debates or discussions.

@Tezz I think he will come in every kalpa. Kurma Purana mentions it which is not of this Kalpa.

Rakesh Joshi

that is why i ask you people not to mix vedas with oithers

Seeker

Sir @Tezz but Repeated happenings theory seems very discouraging. And Nasadiya Sukta says none knows what happened before creation.

Rakesh Joshi

ok as per you is it okay to worship such gods like indra and other vedic god despite these bad deeds ?

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi You don't believe Puranas. That's not our mistake. We prefer Vedas over other scriptures but also believe in Puranas.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer yes, he may come repeatedly but it isn't necessary he necessarily comes...

The Destroyer

6:53 PM

@RakeshJoshi Yes. We do yajnas for him.

Rakesh Joshi

u prefer vedas that is you have bveen saying since long but wehenver i quoted vedas against purana you didnt

The Destroyer

@Seeker I think we should know proper context of verse to understand it better.

Rakesh Joshi

@TheDestroyer why shuld we do yajnas for a rapist and coward ?

Tezz

@Seeker Nasadiya is talking how Sages do not know how Avyakta manifests as Jagat...

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi Don't argue for sake of arguing. Vedas mention it. I'm not saying it.

Rakesh Joshi

6:55 PM

i m asking why should we worship such gods then ? does it make any sense ?

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi You must find answer for it as you have studied vedas under Guru.

Rakesh Joshi

as far as i see majority

the moola samhitas i dont thinjk have such story

swetaswatara i think is a later day upanishad

its language is very different from ancient vedic

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi Do you know all lost Samhitas?

Rakesh Joshi

i think shakhas have lost .

Seeker

@TheDestroyer @Tezz Puranas making it difficult. Kashmiri Shaivism will ease this. I will post once I find on these matters.

The Destroyer

6:58 PM

@RakeshJoshi A shakha has one samhita with it.

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi RigVeda Moola Samhita also mentions Indras such story...

@Seeker Ok.. all the best...

Rakesh Joshi

but 1 samhita can be chanted in multiple shakhas with slight variation in mantra

example kanva and madhyandina shakha

@Tezz is this story about ahilya ?

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi But that doesn't mean we lost all same info.

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi Svetasvatara, Katha, Mundaka and Mandukya use similar language..

Rakesh Joshi

this is again assumption.
i m talking that the present vedic literature which has more of positive stories in constract to such negative stories

@Tezz if i may know what is your level of sanskrit study

Tezz

7:00 PM

@RakeshJoshi btw you should know that Svetasvatara is a Mantra Upanishad not a Upanishad only...

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi what assumption?

Rakesh Joshi

@TheDestroyer assumption that MANY LOST SHAKHAS WOULD HAVE MORE NGATIVE STORY ABOUT INDRA

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi normal level...

Seeker

Because there can't be a timer in Brahm so that it creates after such time of Brahma or dissolute after such fixed time. If Brahm is prone to time, it immediately reveals Brahm bounded & hence not God. I think we are missing something. Better to conclude after including other sources.

Rakesh Joshi

@Tezz that is why arya samaj gives importance to moola than upanishad

Tezz

7:01 PM

@RakeshJoshi about Indra Indrani and Vrishakapi incident... I had already given you link...

Rakesh Joshi

so ahilya story is not mentioed right ?

Seeker

Creation is immediate without any fixed time interval. Right?

Rakesh Joshi

what is the other story can you say ? is it about rape ?

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi something like that...

Rakesh Joshi

in short can u say or post

Seeker

7:03 PM

Good night all. :)

Tezz

@Seeker the conclusion is not that Brahman is bound of time... the conclusion is Brahman is omnipotent so he does perfect creation every time...

@Seeker Good Night...

@RakeshJoshi read the 2nd spoiler in the answer here: hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/3457/…

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi when you say something, say with proper source which can be verified. Else , others may assume it as your assumption

SwiftPushkar

What is the difference between Dwikpala and kshehtrapala ? @all

Rakesh Joshi

@TheDestroyer till now you have been saying as assumption

there is no word like mithya or dream world in vedas but you assumed it

next you assumed that world will be same

then you assumed that vyavaharika etc when they are not at all mentioned in vedas

dikpala are rulers of 10 directions

@SwiftPushkar

kshetrapala are local deities of that particular region .

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi and btw also many mantras of Svetasvatara are from Veda Samhitas itself...

The Destroyer

7:10 PM

@RakeshJoshi world as dream is based on interpretation. Like how others interpret, Shankara too did it.

Rakesh Joshi

some upaniushads comtain some mantra from moola veda but sometimes it has additioal too

@TheDestroyer but still no such word is directly given in vedas. but creation is repeated several times you should keep in mind

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi yes... but Svetasvatara has many mantras from Veda Samhitas itself...

Rakesh Joshi

even kalli santarana might have

SwiftPushkar

@RakeshJoshi ohh , ok and wht abt. the idols we find in front of Garbhagriha of temples ,generally on both sides , are they just guardian of temple ?

Rakesh Joshi

dwarapaalas @SwiftPushkar

The Destroyer

7:11 PM

@RakeshJoshi we already discussed this. See our old discussion why you ask same questions?

Rakesh Joshi

im saying when something is not mentioned then its your assumption only

nasadiya says there was no creation then the creation manifested. means wrold exists but you reject it @TheDestroyer

Tezz

@TheDestroyer btw are you reading only Isha Upanishad in this ShivaRatri?...

Rakesh Joshi

and what isthe way to know which interpretation is correct ? @TheDestroyer 10 acharyas have different interpretation

The Destroyer

@Tezz yes.

@RakeshJoshi it's again difference in interpretation.

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi just believe what you think as correct... and let others believe what they feel as correct... this is the way to know correct interpretation...

SwiftPushkar

7:14 PM

@RakeshJoshi Yes , they are Dwarapalas , i know , but do the temples have , guardians in all four or more corners etc? like Dwikpala

The Destroyer

@Tezz ohj

.i didn't see it properly

Rakesh Joshi

yes then how will you come to conclusion @TheDestroyer

you will post sankara bhashya i will post madhwa bhashya

both of them have quoted vedas to support their views

then how come there is any conclusion possible ?

@SwiftPushkar i think in shiva temples we have some deities on three sides of griha .. i dont know about 4 guardians

The Destroyer

I will read Isha in Sanskrit and English. But i wakeup whole night. So, may read other Upanishads too. @Tezz

SwiftPushkar

@RakeshJoshi Yes , right , i just read that in Shiva-purana , which i am reading right now , so asked.. :) thanks

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi it isn't necessary that one will surely reach to the conclusion... these are paths only.. if God is moon then philosophies are just the fingers which point the moon... so it's better if one doesn't get stick in philosophy only...

Rakesh Joshi

7:17 PM

then there is no discussion is possible cos n number of achayras with diff opiniuons can be quoted

@SwiftPushkar shiva temples have unique construction

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi all philosophies are true relatively. Such is complex nature of Maya.

Rakesh Joshi

in kerela the parikrama style is also diff

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar which chapter?

Tezz

@TheDestroyer oh ok... if possible read Svetasvatara Upanishad too...

Rakesh Joshi

all acharyas opinion is contradictiory .. all cant be true

The Destroyer

7:19 PM

After Isha? @Tezz

Rakesh Joshi

all vedantin claim from vyasa lienage its not possible thaty vyasa taught different vedanta to all @TheDestroyer

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi you don't say that if you follow or understood Advaita

Rakesh Joshi

say what ?

Tezz

@TheDestroyer yes...

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi that philosophies are contradictory

@Tezz ok.

SwiftPushkar

7:21 PM

@TheDestroyer - vayaviya samhita -chapter 24 Ritualistic worship of shiva :)

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi all can also be true as blind man and elephant...

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar part 1 or part 2?

Tezz

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant

Rakesh Joshi

@TheDestroyer they have criticzed ad abused each other in worst possible way in their books and you say theydont think each other contradictory ?

SwiftPushkar

@TheDestroyer - i am findind ref. of Abhisheka by milk of shiva-linga question :) Uttar bhaga Part 2

The Destroyer

7:22 PM

@RakeshJoshi you see abusing and criticizing not philosophy?

Rakesh Joshi

the philosophy itself is based on refutement of other philosophies

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar ok

Rakesh Joshi

dwaita books are full of advaita refutation and vice versa

SwiftPushkar

Rakesh Joshi

@SwiftPushkar wha you think about movies like oh my god ? offfering milk to poor or animals over abhishekam?

SwiftPushkar

7:23 PM

@Tezz @TheDestroyer - you might already knew this :)

@RakeshJoshi I am not much fan of movies , I rarely see them , instead i love to watch documetory films :)

Rakesh Joshi

it was a movie with some religious message . @SwiftPushkar

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi read philosophies instead of unnecessary criticizing.

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar Yeah I quote those verses in my answerr here:

SwiftPushkar

@RakeshJoshi oh ok :)

Tezz

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A: Which mantras should be recited to properly worship Lord Rudra?

There are various mantras which are used to worship Lord Rudra / Lord Shiva. In Shiva Gita various Gods and sages are seen singing various hymns of Lord Shiva. Shiva Gita is a part of UttarKhanda of Padma Purana which I discuss here.. One can read Shiva Gita here. In the Shiva Gita, Shiva Pradhu...

Rakesh Joshi

7:25 PM

@TheDestroyer i think you have not yet gone through their books

more than talking of own philosohphies they refute others .. its like fight

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz yeah , already seen that answer of yours :)

The Destroyer

Bye. Sleeping. Will discuss tomorrow.

Rakesh Joshi

do you think its better to donate milk to poor people or animals than using for abhisekam ?

Tezz

Yee.. me too sleeping.. Bye all..

Rakesh Joshi

@SwiftPushkar did u enquire any pathshala aboiut rudri path ?

SwiftPushkar

7:29 PM

@Tezz @TheDestroyer - but i wonder why we find the name "vinayaka" more often instead of Ganesha , in puranas ?

@RakeshJoshi No but i checked , one web site , they have no mentioned abt. any store , which sell , CD's and Dvd's

Rakesh Joshi

can u share link

SwiftPushkar

@RakeshJoshi - vedbhavanpune.com and most probably i am visiting Alandi tomorrow , i will surely ask there abt. Rudri paath :)

Rakesh Joshi

yes please do try ....

in this site which page they say ?

i think this pathashala teaches rig veda alone ? @SwiftPushkar

SwiftPushkar

@RakeshJoshi - ok , by the way , there is another ved-Paath shala in Pimpri-chinchwad , if i visit theree in some days , i will enquire there also , but most probably , they also dont sell any audio discs , i once visited there :)

Rakesh Joshi

that is sad

but i heard there is one famous renuka temple they sell some audio i think

SwiftPushkar

7:37 PM

@RakeshJoshi Where is renuka temple ? in pune ? or Mahurgad

Rakesh Joshi

nearby

i forgot name

mahur

thre is one in aurangabad . sant gyaneshwar pathshala they are willing but dont have facitlity to record

SwiftPushkar