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12:25 PM
@goldPseudo I honestly am not quite sure i follow you there. Exactly who are you concerned about driving who off?
 
 
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2:55 PM
@Caleb It's just inconsistency in how questions and answers are dealt with; i've repeatedly seen a number of shoddy questions earn nothing but upvotes, but answers of the same level of quality by the same user downvoted with extreme prejudice and often flagged.
 
 
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4:05 PM
@Imtiaz no need to flag all the comments :)
Salam Alaikum
 
@AlUmmatمجاهد Assalamu Alaikum, Brother. :) I didn't really mean that. :)
 
@Imtiaz Wa Alaikum salam, I have deleted most of the comments except the two, if he wants to discuss it further, this open chat room is always open
 
Thank you for your fast and very responsible response.
 
no problem :)
 
4:20 PM
So could it be that the soul is distributed in the cells?
And when somebody chops off your arm, the choped soul maybe travel to the remaining body?
 
4:43 PM
@Derfder, you should read this: missionislam.com/knowledge/Soul.htm
 
 
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6:59 PM
So, do you think that soul is not connected with your body at all?
 
@Derfder would we be alive if it wasn't?
@DhoweedYaAgov salam, please watch this
 
@AlUmmatمجاهد wa alaykum
@AlUmmatمجاهد what am i looking at here?
 
@DhoweedYaAgov probably the same thing that you want me to look at in the videos you gave yesterday
 
i know this already. jerusalem didnt change. just like it has been just like it is now. jerusalem is divided into 4 quarters muslim jewish armenian christian and greek christian
@AlUmmatمجاهد no the videos i posted shows that there are arabs who are really jews and not arabs
the video you show is just a description of jerusalem
 
I never had a doubt that Jews were in filisteen, I also believe that almost everyone knows this
 
7:08 PM
you know howm any arabs were killed by the turkish in israel?
 
@DhoweedYaAgov but they both came from shem?
 
turks didnt come from shem
they are a mixed people
 
@DhoweedYaAgov did jews and arabs both come from shem?
 
if we assume that ishmael is the father of all arabs then yes but not all arabs are real arabs
egyptians are not arabs
 
@DhoweedYaAgov do you know how many humans killed and kill each other?
 
7:09 PM
they are not from shem
yes people kill people that is known
but why do you call israel filisteen?
 
@DhoweedYaAgov was that ever in doubt, I a from syria am not an Arab, syra is not arab
egypt is africa
 
syria is not arab either thats right
arab as a nationality is not as big as it is supposed now
 
@DhoweedYaAgov they call it the middle east, arabia is part
 
israel is not arabia
but its in the middle east
 
@DhoweedYaAgov was that ever in doubt?
 
7:12 PM
idk just saying
 
@DhoweedYaAgov that's what I said, sorry, I am unclear
 
but why do you call israel filisteen?
 
@DhoweedYaAgov because they are both one, it doesn't matter whether you call it Palistine or isreal, it is just two names, of one place split by this line
 
thats not true though
israel has always been israel
the filishteem dont live in israel
they live near the medditeranean sea
they were our enemies
 
ok, then I need to go get eye glasses
 
7:15 PM
but the thing is the so called palestinians are not the pelishteem from the torah
The Philistines (, , , or ; , Plištim), Pleshet or Peleset, were a people who as part of the Sea Peoples appeared in the southern coastal area of Canaan at the beginning of the Iron Age (circa 1175 BC), most probably from the Aegean region. According to the Bible, they ruled the five city-states (the "Philistine Pentapolis") of Gaza, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Ekron and Gath, from Wadi Gaza in the south to the Yarqon River in the north, but with no fixed border to the east. The Bible paints them as the Kingdom of Israel's most dangerous enemy. their population was around 25,000 in the 12th centu...
look where the paleeshteem live and where jews live
where does that word come from
 
@DhoweedYaAgov it is the name of the place
 
Palestine ( , , ; , Palaistinē; ; Hebrew: פלשתינה Palestina) is a conventional name, among others, for the geographic region in Western Asia between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River, and various adjoining lands. The region is also known as the Land of Israel (Hebrew: ארץ־ישראל Eretz-Yisra'el), the Holy Land, the Southern Levant, Cisjordan, and historically has been known by other names including Canaan, Southern Syria and Jerusalem. The boundaries of the region have changed throughout history, and were last defined in modern times by the Franco-British boundary agreement (...
}} Syria Palæstina was a Roman province between 135 and about 390. It was established by the merge of Roman Syria and Roman Judaea, following the defeat of the Bar Kokhba Revolt in 135. In 193, coastal Coele-Syria was split from Syria Palæstina, to form a separate Roman province. Syria Palaestina had become part of the splinter Palmyrene Empire for a brief period that lasted from 260 to 272, when it was restored to Roman central authority. Eventually the province became reorganized under the Byzantine Empire as part of the Diocese of the East, which divided it into the provinces of Syria ...
this is the reason why israel is called palestine. it is a fake name
 
 
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8:20 PM
Hi, guys. if you lose our arm, do you lose part of your soul too?
or it will transport from the choped body part back to other ramaining body parts.
?
 
i don't know any reason to believe that the "soul" is even a physical thing.
 
8:41 PM
So what else could it be? I consider all forms of energy as a physical thing.
Even our receptors like eyes or ears couldn catch and translate it.
 
if it can't be sensed, how can you even begin to apply known physical laws to it?
 
Why not? It doesn't mean that it cannot be somehow measured. You just need the right sensor to measure it.
 
what is the right sensor?
 
I don't know. Some detector
Let's call it for now soulsor
soul and sensor combined in one word
 
@Derfder we only have very little knowledge regarding it, speaking in regards with it out side the boundary of the knowledge we were given is impossible and bad
@Derfder ;)
 
8:53 PM
No, I see is as the doors or oportunity to God
we just need to find out how to "speak" to him
 
He is all hearing
 
connecting with the soul and finding the missing links like the detector coud help us
 
whether you speak to Him with words or not He can Hear
@Derfder we cannot do that without knowledge, and only God has full knowledge in regards to our souls
 
if we will stop thinking of other ways we will be stuck and never go further.
we need as a muslims to find new ways
how to connect with God and other spiritual parts
 
3la babi waqf qamareen wa7ed bilsama walthani man al3ein beefhem bilwama
 
8:58 PM
I know it'sn not
very popular
and feel it that way
but we need to check new ways like a spiritual scientists
 
@Derfder there is only one way
 
new endeveurs in religion
religion is a living thing
like an organism
if there is only one way you are not looking clode enough
I mean our knoledge and religious understanding evolves. I mean it's different that before 1000 years, right?
We have new interpretiations, new stuff come out and a lot of things changed.
Muslims changed.
Muslims today are different than 1000 years ago
 
@AlUmmatمجاهد do you know any pashtuns? also do you know your original people and their language?
im pretty sure they spoke aramaic
which is one of the languages mixed with arabic
 
I am sad that so few muslims want to try new things how to observe God and try to get some response from him.
 
@Derfder why the rush? do you doubt that we'll meet Him on the day of judgement?
 
9:05 PM
what do you mean by new ways
 
@Derfder there is only one way, and the shariah will never change, but what will change is the application, Fiqh, that is what changes, that is what makes islam timeless and place-less
 
trying to detect his presence or his actions using modern technology or even undiscovered phonomenon.
 
He doesnt have a presence
He doesnt have presence here
He IS HERE
 
E.g. right now people in CERN have find out Higgs particle that was created with collision that was so high energetic that maybe if we go to higher energy in next few years as they plan in CERN than we can observe God in some particles or him itslef
 
in other words, He is not part nor within his creation
 
9:07 PM
HE is presence
 
Are you suggesting that it's a program like that Matrix movie?
 
how can you observe something which cant be observed?
 
and you are trapped
like a pixel on the lcd screen
or a 2D person which is unable to communicate with 3D person?
I don't like this
but maybe you are right.
 
@Derfder We cannot see/observe Him in this life, no one, not even the Prophet has seen Him with his eyes, but in the hereafter we will see Him
 
@AlUmmatمجاهد we dont see Him there either
we will only see the shahHina
which is His light
 
9:11 PM
@AlUmmatمجاهد you don't know, until you try. People thought that Earth is flat. We at least need to try to connect with God in a new ways.
 
prayer the best way
prayer with tears is even better
 
it's inefficient a lot of prayers are sometimes lost during the transmission. Why not find a direct and more secure way of communication
 
nothign is lost
 
Do you have any idea how could this be done?
 
@Derfder :have you forgotten that He is teh all hearing
no prayers nothing is lost
and I repeat, nothing
our deeds, etc.
 
9:13 PM
We need to check the possibilities
that we are wrong and there are better ways
what was good 1000 years
ago
may be alittle bit obsolete
 
nothing is lost
man
 
e.g. people used horses and now they drive cars
 
@Derfder Islam will be until the last day
 
that has nothing to do with prayers being lost
 
what was good then, is still Good
 
9:14 PM
the progress should be made even with communicating with God
there should be better ways of connecting with God,
in prayer some poeple have difficultuies to formulate their problems
or are mentally ill or unstable
 
@Derfder If you want to communicate with Him, if you want to ask Him something, just ask, He is the all hearing
 
new ways of delivering message to God
would help them and maybe you too
 
@Derfder do you believe God is all hearing?
 
I think not all
just something
because
the method is inefficient
and old
 
want to send Him a text message?
 
9:16 PM
no
but some
alternative and much efficient even for mentally ill or people with low IQ or inability to concentrate
 
being the all hearing is an attribute of God
 
my friends daughter is mentally ill
she cannot formulate words
or thoughts
 
it doesn't have to be words
 
God knows the hearts of all mankind; you think He would be limited by something so mundane as a communication disorder?
 
did you hear, Allah/God is all hearing
all knowing
 
9:19 PM
that is why we pray on her behalf because she doesnt know how to pray and/or doesnt understand the meaning or prayer because of her disablities
 
With your logic we don't need to pray at all, why even bother ;(
I don't understand you sometimes
 
my logic?
 
@Derfder And as for new ways, there will only be one, the straight path, see this Hadith sunnah.com/bukhari/96/14
 
Sorry, this was for goldPseudo
 
@Derfder the ritual prayer is more about humility than because God can't hear you otherwise.
 
9:20 PM
With your logic "God knows the hearts of all mankind" we don't even need to pray.
I don't agree. Prayer is important
we just need to find a more accurate way
And technology could help
I am not saying that it will be
 
meh. lakum deenukum waliyadeen.
 
100% successsful
 
I worship the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.
 
@Derfder prayer and all other forms of worship is for us, not for God, God needs nothing from us
 
or maybe not at all, but we need at least try
we need to have some department that will try to connect with God other way than with Praying
I also suggest to invite him to a "discussion" I mean like when you want to know the answers from your parents.
 
9:23 PM
@Derfder if you want to ask God something or for something just ask Him
He hears
 
My or your religion, it's just one God
 
AlWahHeed
 
People are stuck in the old methods of connectiing with God. What if he wants to follow him, or even became one of the God itself
we can address this question to him
 
"And [recall] when you said, "O Moses, we will never believe you until we see Allah outright"; so the thunderbolt took you while you were looking on. Then We revived you after your death that perhaps you would be grateful."
would you be the same as they?
 
All I wknow is that I want more efficient way to communicate and maybe see or feel God
 
9:26 PM
@goldPseudo we cant see HaShem
 
@Derfder then wish for death if you should be truthful.
 
@DhoweedYaAgov until the day of judgement
 
that is a meedrash which is taken out of context and used as quran
@AlUmmatمجاهد we will never see Him
 
I will try to find a more efficient way
 
because he doesnt have a form
 
9:27 PM
of connecting with him.
 
we will only see his ShahHinah
 
@DhoweedYaAgov we will see, we will one day see which one of us is correct
 
Shekinah, Shechinah, Shechina, or Schechinah, () is the English spelling of a grammatically feminine Hebrew ancient blessing of God. The original word means the dwelling or settling, and denotes the dwelling or settling of the divine presence of God, especially in the Temple in Jerusalem. Etymology Shekinah is derived from the Hebrew verb שכן. In Biblical Hebrew that Semitic root means literally to settle, inhabit, or dwell, and is used frequently in the Hebrew Bible. (See Exodus 40:35, "Moses could not enter the Tent of Meeting, for the cloud rested [shakhan] upon it, and the glory ...
 
Nobody believed Wright brothers that they will ever fly, but they have done it.
 
@DhoweedYaAgov He is not like His creation
that is why we can't even imagine Him
 
9:28 PM
There have to be a way... "where is a will, there is a way"
 
@Derfder that way is Islam
 
we cant imagine Him because like you said he is not like his creation which has a form
He is formless
 
This is maybe wrong interpretation.
maybe it is possible for future generations
Resigning is not the answer
 
@Derfder what are you talking about?
 
Forming a group of people who will try to find new ways of communication with God and then even further
"he is not like his creation which has a form" this is on us to find out
 
9:31 PM
nothing to find out
He Himself said so
 
Like I said there were too many occasions in the history when people were wrong, like with the flying airplanes
but now we are flying
I like to participate
 
you are confusing the material world with the metaphysical one
 
I like to speak
 
@Derfder But God is never wrong, and He himself said He is all hearing
 
ya farahHatee
 
9:33 PM
@Derfder really, how?
@Derfder how does sunlight make mistake? it is part of it's nature, and part of it's nature is to be bright
 
I mean I will try to study more about possibility of detecting God or his actions/reactions via techincal instruments
 
@Derfder try logic
it works
 
maybe my chldren or their children find some way like e.g. wormholes but not in spacetime but to oher dimension or something where God can be feel or detected
 
I have to go make my Asr, I'll be back
while I am gone, try figuring out an answer to how can sunlight make a mistake
 
"try logic it works" well the problem is that the logic is sometimes a mistake too.
I don't want to talk about that with you sorry is a personal thing you cannot understand only God, or at least I hope, because somethimes the communication is not delivered in whole package
 
9:44 PM
I am back
@Derfder how is that? tell me, how can logic make a mistake? or is that also something only you and God can understand?
@Derfder try me, I may or I may not understand
 
But I can tell you the '"logic" behind it from my secular point of view: The basic idea is that The Universe is based on inequality = the opposite of harmony. This inequality is responsible for the fact that in This Universe we have structures, energy, suns, galaxies, groups of galaxies.
Because of this implerfection there is life and everything we know including religions and this conversation. In your words my sentence "Sunshine makes mistakes too" means... one word.... God. Live long and prosper my friend. We are all made from stars ;)
 
@Derfder can you explain what you just said in simpler more logical and less baffling words?
@Derfder interesting, so what were the stars made from?
 

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