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islam101

00:28

@goldPseudo are you sunni?

goldPseudo

I am Muslim.

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islam101

??

Also... what is a association bonus?

@goldPseudo

goldPseudo

new users get +100 rep if they're already have high rep on an account registered to another SE site.

it's supposed to offset the most basic limitations on a new account, since it's presumed you already know enough to comment and vote appropriately etc.

without unbalancing the whole rep system.

islam101

ok....back to my question....are you sunni or shia?

goldPseudo

I am Muslim. why is that not good enough for you?

islam101

00:40

no but its the wrong answer....i asked sunni or shia....but you are saying "muslim"

ok another one

what is more halal ....beer or wine?

goldPseudo

beer.

islam101

ok...whisky or wine (i know about non alcoholic beer)

goldPseudo

whisky.

islam101

whisky is halal?

goldPseudo

it's more halal than wine.

islam101

00:43

halal is means "permitted"

u know that right?

goldPseudo

i am aware of that, yes.

islam101

so whisky is more permitted than wine?

goldPseudo

that's what i said, isn't it? you're going in circles here.

the question you should be asking is "Why do you consider whisky more halal than wine?"

islam101

No...i should be praying

praying for all the "leaders" that make halal haraam and haraam halal

goldPseudo

i'll just go back to what i was doing then.

assalaamu 'alaykum.

islam101

00:47

walekum salaam wa rehmatullah

RobinHood

10:40

Assalamualikum

Anwar

10:52

Salam

I feel sorry, but I really have to write this

Sorry, I consider the Fiqh in Sunni school is of higher level. Btw, I'm neither going to accept your answer nor going to do an upvote, as I did clearly said I want answer from Sunni school. Also, I don't want to write anymore comment with you. — Anwar Shah 3 mins ago

Al Ummat

Asalam Alaikum

Anwar

Wa alaikum as salam

Al Ummat

@Anwar what a comment

although I see previous comments bad I see this one very bad, this is not good manners {in my opinion} what I would have done is just say that you would not want to comment anymore

not the rest of it, keep the rest of it to your self, but that is my opinion

you see, the problem I see with the comment is, that it further divides and makes the shia members think they are not welcome

I hope you understand @Anwar

Al Ummat

11:20

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Q: Quickly turning into a Shia-Sunni debate site

I am a user (read reader) of many SE sites and what I like about every SE site is that over time, the cream rises to the top. By that I mean that the people who are most knowledgeable in their respective fields and the ones who are inclined to help each other become the top answerers. The same ...

Al Ummat

11:35

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Q: Islam Self-Evaluation -- Let's Get Critical!

You love your site and we love your site, but there is a whole world of people out there who might not even know it exists. When they do find it, their first impression will either scare them away or keep them around. Given this, let's take a hard look at the questions and answers here and make s...

discussion featured quality-evaluation

Anwar

@AlUmmat I understand you

but in my earlier comments, I made clear you him that, i was looking for a sunni solution.

But, he goes on further and tried to something...

I don't know, what he wanted. (but i can guess)

Thanks for the answer, but I thought I was clear that I needed an answer from Hanafi School. But, don't remove your answer, since it may help Shia visitors — Anwar Shah 22 hours ago

This ^^ comment is totally friendly and a closure comment

Al Ummat

I see

Anwar

I removed my last comment too

@Ahmadi OK. though I can't verify how correct the answer is, but I think the reference will be helpful for Shia visitors. +1 for the peach message :) — Anwar Shah 12 secs ago

Added this one

Al Ummat

well you do not need to upvote it or accept it, but the sentence in your comment "I consider the Fiqh in Sunni school is of higher level" i find that it might be seen as a disrespect to the shia users by the shia users themselves, and I see it to be suggesting that the fiqh of other sects are higher, which suggest that if it is higher then the originating Imams must have been more knowledgeable than the others, and all the imamas of all the schools of Sunni and Shia were probably equal in

knowledge

Anwar

@AlUmmat You're correct. Thanks

removed.

I may be clearly wrong though

is he around here?

Al Ummat

11:48

ignore it

the more you ponder over it the more you get irritated

Anwar

Thanks for ^ this too

Al Ummat

you mean is he in the chat?

Anwar

:)

I see, he isn't

but i think, he is on the site

Al Ummat

you want to talk with him?

Anwar

yes

Al Ummat

11:50

you can always invite him to chat through the recent comments or @ his user name

Anwar

but I need to go, (power outage here)

Al Ummat

oh, ok well he'll probably be still around :)

Anwar

13:22

@Ahmadi can we talk here?

Anwar

13:37

BBL

ashes999

14:06

May Allah reward you guys greatly @AlUmmat @Abdullah, your flags and close-votes are very, very useful for us.

Al Ummat

Alhamdulillah

Al Ummat

14:27

Asalam Alaikum @ashes999 @goldPseudo

goldPseudo

wa 'alaykum assalaam

Al Ummat

wow, I forgot to give the salams today

ashes999

wa'alikum as-salaam @AlUmmat

lol I feel like it's becoming our daily routine :)

Al Ummat

:)

ashes999

I need critical feedback please. Does this make sense? Did I miss anything?

0

A: Did the prophet (SAW) himself fully adhere to the rules imposed on all Muslims?

The short answer to your question is yes, rasulullah did everything he taught his ummah to do. He was a leader who lead by example. The long answer to your question is, it's complicated. Very complicated. Therefore, permit me to indulge in a sample of the complexity belied by your question. Per...

Al Ummat

14:38

@ashes999 I find it answers the question

ashes999

Jazakumullahu khayran @AlUmmat. But like I said, I want more critical feedback :) where did I misstep? What did I miss? Is it clear, or too long?

Al Ummat

it is kind of long but it is fine, you did not answer some of the questions though

"So this makes me ask this question, Did the prophet (SAW) strictly adhere to the rules that are imposed on all the people? For example we are told to pray even when we are bed ridden and cannot stand. Did he himself do so? Did he never miss a prayer? It is possible he woke up late one morning or was sick? Did he always lead the prayer? Did he ever combine two prayers for his ease? Are there any evidences that he took the hard route to fullfull his religious duties and not the easy one?"

ashes999

Wow, I just read it again and I didn't even see that.

I think those are examples though; he doesn't want to know the answers -- he's using those as a basis for his (decent, general) question of "did rasulullah live by what he preached?"

otherwise, I would DV and say, ask one question per question! :)

Al Ummat

ok I see now

ashes999

But again, that's just my interpretation of his question. You interpreted it differently.

Al Ummat

14:46

I think your answer is great

+1

ashes999

Thanks. Maybe it would be a good idea to add another answer that addresses all his individual questions ... I'm not sure.

Al Ummat

I am preparing an answer

ashes999

okay mashaAllah

looking forward to reading it!

ashes999

15:14

@AlUmmat you were right

Good answer but sorry it lacks what I asked for. I asked for Real events / evidences that proved the prophet choose the difficult path and not the easy path + he obeyed by all the rules. Did he ever miss a prayer? Was he ever late? Did he follow all basic rules/etiquette in Islamic. I mentioned some violations above. Arguably he had not respect facing Kaba? — The crocodile hunter 2 mins ago

Al Ummat

I am looking for a report or hadith I heard, it basically says that the Prophet when commanding people to do something, he has already done it or raced to it and done it. does anyone know the Hadith?

ashes999

15:37

good question.

literally. good. question. to ask...

Al Ummat

15:56

@ashes999 on the site?

ashes999

Yes.

do you mean the hadith about four characteristics which, if united in one person, indicate a person of paradise?

Al Ummat

no

the report or hadith that says that whatever the Prophet commands, he has already done it himself

ashes999

not familiar with it. would like to see it :)

search sunnah.com, if it's in the Six Books, you'll find it inshaAllah

Al Ummat

I have already done, I could not find it, either wrong words or it is not there, I am asking it now on the site

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Q: Report or Hadith about the Prophet

I am looking for a report or hadith I heard, it basically says that the Prophet {Peace Be upon Him} when commanding people to do something, he has already done it or raced to it and done it. I would like to know if this is a Hadith or a report, is it authentic? and what book is it in?

source-identification

how is it, does it need editing?

ashes999

what exactly do you mean by "is it a report"?

Al Ummat

16:03

like in Shama'il Muhammadiyah, they are reports about the Prophet not actual hadiths from the Prophet {Peace Be Upon Him}

do you understand?

ashes999

Nope.

The definition of hadith is "a narration of the Prophet."

A hadith that does not have a companion in the chain is called "mursal," which is a weak hadith.

On the other hand, an "athaar" is a "hadith" (narration) of a companion that is not attributed to the Prophet (salallahu alayhi wa sallam)

did you mean, by report, a mursal hadith or did you mean an athaar?

Al Ummat

I think I mean athaar, an example I can give is the report or hadith from Aa'ishah talking about the Prophet being a walking Quran, and the Hadith by her too about his charachtristic is the Quran

ashes999

there's also this thing about "any narration about ilm al-ghayb from a sahaba is counted as a hadith" (where else would they learn about such things?) -- it's very tricky and complex

that example you gave would be a hadith, because hadith technically covers statements and actions, tacit (implicit) approvals of rasulullah

I feel like a textbook now :/

Al Ummat

@ashes999 textbooks benefit people but I do not believe they are rewarded by Allah if they benefit, but you are alive and I pray Allah rewards you

ashes999

inshaAllah ameen

actually I have a proof that Allah rewards textbook writers too :)

the famous hadith about sadaqah jaariyah -- "knowledge that benefits after the writer dies" -- would include, say, books of seerah and stuff too, no?

Al Ummat

16:13

:)

I did not mean the writer of it, but the textbook itself, and since you said you feel like a text book, I say I do not believe that textbooks themselves get rewarded, but you are alive and you know and you have benefited me so Insha'Allah you get rewarded :)

I am basically saying that even though you fell like a textbook you get rewarded but textbooks themselves don't

do you understand?

ashes999

lol

yeah I get it

(inshaAllah ameen)

Al Ummat

@goldPseudo I saw your discussion above with islam101

how can certain types of alcohol be more halal than others?

I understand all Alcohol are haram to drink

ashes999

here we go again...

"great question"? ;)

(I think goldPseudo was being, shall we say ... clever and precise, although not literal)

Al Ummat

so all alcohol is the same level of haram?

I think I need to do some research on Alcohol

anyway, that looks like a very weird discussion

ashes999

16:39

I'll let @goldPseudo answer for himself

I believe he was alluding to a relative level of "what is more (or less) permissible/haram," although he definitely did not say that any alcohol is permissible.

goldPseudo

17:08

early hanafi opinion was that only wine was inherently haram; any other non-wine alcoholic drink is only haram if enough is consumed to intoxicate.

in addition, the question was vague; it didn't specify haram to drink, just haram.

there is difference of opinion on using alcohol for topical (i.e. non-drinking) applications.

Al Ummat

what do you mean non-drinking?

ashes999

@goldPseudo that's around the issue of alcohol being najas, not haram

@AlUmmat for example, in medicines

Al Ummat

oh

goldPseudo

alcohol in mouthwashes, or in perfumes, for example.

haram means unlawful. it being haram to drink doesn't mean it's haram for other purposes.

similar to the issue of using leather from maitah.

ashes999

Yes.

goldPseudo

17:11

the fact is, there are more valid scholarly arguments allowing the use of non-wine alcohol (for whatever reasons) than there is allowing the use of wine (for whatever reasons). thus, "more halal".

ashes999

Ah, that's what you meant.

goldPseudo

and if you go from a qur'an-only perspective, only khamr is explicitly mentioned.

he asked a vague question, he got a vague (but no less correct) answer. that's just how i roll.

ashes999

+1 "that's how we roll" :)

Al Ummat

:)

Asalam Alaikum @NesreenA how are you today?

Abdullah

Assalamu 'alaykkum

goldPseudo

17:16

not sure if modern hanafi opinion allows drinking of non-wine alcoholic beverages (insofar it's not enough to intoxicate), but just the fact that it was an established (albeit minority) opinion by a major school is enough to make it "more halal" in my eyes.

ashes999

wa'alikum as-salaam @Abdullah

Al Ummat

@Abdullah Wa Alaikum salam

NesreenA

wa3alekum isalam

ashes999

@goldPseudo there is that hadith about "what's haram in large quantities is haram in small quantities"

NesreenA

sorry reading older messages

goldPseudo

17:17

i am aware of the hadith. it's also possible that Imam Abu Hanifa was too.

ashes999

Yes. It is possible he was not aware of it, or considered it not authentic, or abrogated, or something else. Fiqh is complicated :)

Al Ummat

I heard something from someone that in the shafi school that the most smallest quantity of alcohol is haram, and if it goes into something it makes the whole thing haram

NesreenA

@ashes999 i didn't disappear, just started going to public school

ashes999

MashaAllah @NesreenA

NesreenA

i come on saturdays though, today is the first day i didn't have homework, instead i did next weeks homework lol i'm a nerd

ashes999

17:29

mashaAllah, awesome

afk, dhur time

NesreenA

me too its i3sha gtg sleep too salam alekum

ashes999

wa'alikum as-salaam

Al Ummat

Wa Alaikum salam

@ashes999 it's dhur time where you are?

ashes999

yes @AlUmmat, perhaps a bit after dhur

Al Ummat

it is also dhur time here

1:31

Abdullah

17:40

I wish there was a way to remove a flag. I had flagged an answer when it was really poor quality and not an answer at all. Then it was made into a proper answer

goldPseudo

flags automatically expire after a few days.

Abdullah

Sorry I dont understand. My flag history shows - 30 moderator attention flags
29 deemed helpful
1 disputed

the 1 disputed is the one I am talking about

If I could, I would retract the flag

What does disputed mean? I think denied would be a better term

goldPseudo

i'm not 100% sure. i think that means that one mod declined the flag, but the other mods still have a chance to look at it.

Abdullah

OMG, I just heard the US Embassy in my city was attacked by muslims by stones and they blocked the whole road..

goldPseudo

at work, so no time to research it right now. might be something on meta.stackoverflow.com explaining it.

Abdullah

17:47

carry on @goldPseudo , it is not so important. Was just curious :)

Abdullah

18:01

Have you guys smelled musk?

ashes999

nope

not The Real Stuff, just 'itter named "musk" :)

I have smelled 'oud though, it's pretty amazing.

Al Ummat

@Abdullah yes

Abdullah

Lol.. yeah.. I wonder how the real stuff smells like..

@AlUmmat Amazing is it?

Al Ummat

@Abdullah better than the unreal one

Abdullah

Ma'asha Allah

Al Ummat

18:06

in Syria there is a giant Masjid/university called Abu noor, you could find good oils there real and fake, and their pretty cheap in my opinion, you could see a whole crowed around them after Jum'a kutba

Abdullah

Wow, we get the ones from Pakistan.. most probably fake.. Allahu A'lam. I see there are options to buy these oils online.. but quite expensive

Usually when some of my relatives return from Umrah/Hajj, I get lot of 'ittars as gifts

Al Ummat

I have observed that usually if you get real oils they are very expensive and if you get fake than very cheap, the real oils are also more expensive if you buys them form somewhere were they import it from another country

Abdullah

@AlUmmat Yup, true.

I like the bottles they come in though, when I was a kid, I used to collect them :)

Al Ummat

:)

Abdullah

islam.stackexchange.com/a/2753/38

I couldn't make out anything from that answer

Al Ummat

18:14

neither can i

ashes999

which is probably why it's deleted.

Abdullah

that was quick action

ashes999

mashaAllah, goldPseudo is very quick :)

would it be better for mod deletion or -3 from the community? I tend to think the latter, although I'm not sure.

Abdullah

I was assuming that most visitors of Islam.SE are from other SE sites but now, I see the users from forums are coming.. and hence such answers

I should say comments

ashes999

inshaAllah khayr, let's be encouraging and try to make them positive contributers for the site.

Abdullah

18:18

yup.. so I was wondering the psychology. Would deletion and downvoting scare them off?

ashes999

Hey I always wanted to ask @Abdullah, are you a full-time student studying Islam by any chance, at some jaami'ah?

goldPseudo

i prefer to leave things for the community to judge, but some posts are clearly not what we're looking for.

ashes999

Probably :/

@goldPseudo deletion precludes the ability to curb answers into something more useful

goldPseudo

if i felt the post was salvageable, i would've given a welcome comment and given the poster a chance to fix it.

ashes999

ah, so that's how you distinguish.

goldPseudo

18:19

and answers can still be edited when they're deleted, then flagged for undeletion (which admittedly not everyone just knows out of the box).

that post, i felt was way too "forumy" and did far more harm by being visible than it did by being deleted. subjective call, but i stand by it.

ashes999

I'm not contesting it. I'm trying to figure out, as mods, how we can be more lurking in the shadows and let the community handle stuff like this itself.

Abdullah

@ashes999 Not at all, I learnt the basics of Islam only with a qualified teacher. Others are just uncoordinated learning with students of knowledge who actually study in a Jaami'ah.. and give/suggested me their books ...The ones who study in Jaam'iah are far knowledge and would answer most questions posted here..

ashes999

MashaAllah, that's awesome

Maybe you can lure them into the site :)

Abdullah

Yes, Actually I am trying to.. There is one who is studying degree in Shari'ah.. we talk very often.. next time I am going to suggest him this site

goldPseudo

i prefer to lurk, given the choice. wait for the flags to roll in before swinging the diamond hammer.

ashes999

18:25

mashaAllah.

Yeah, we don't swing it often eh @goldPseudo

goldPseudo

diamond deletions are irrevokable except by another diamond mod. it's a heavy hammer to swing.

God willing, we'll get enough high-rep users who can cast their own delete votes.

ashes999

I think we have five. Although I think we're missing that semi-casual core of users, according to Area51.

goldPseudo

i think deleting only requires three votes. but there's different criteria for deleting questions vs answers, i'm not sure exactly how it works.

and two of the top five users are already diamond mods, so they don't really "count" :)

"It takes 3 votes, minimum, to delete a closed question. However, the number of delete votes required scales to the number of votes on the question and all its answers."

don't think you can vote to delete answers at all until you hit 4k "trusted user".

Al Ummat

18:47

sunnah.com/bukhari/9/68

Abdullah

Yes, it is said to be very rewarding

the two before Fajr

Al Ummat

and there are two after Asr

I thought there was no rakats after asr until maghrib

ashes999

@AlUmmat good...question...? ;)

There is a prohibition of praying after Asr (in general) because of the "forbidden time" (the time where people used to pray to the sun as it sets)

perhaps that plays into the answer.

Al Ummat

what does this hadith mean?

sunnah.com/bukhari/3/58

ashes999

Allahu a'lam, @AlUmmat, it seems to mean "we'll all be dead in 100 years"

Al Ummat

18:53

this is in Sahih Bukari

ashes999

I didn't study the whole Bukhari :) just 1% of it, roughly (75 ahadith)

Al Ummat

no, I meant I don't understand the meaning, and since it is in Sahih bukari it must be authentic

does anyone know where I can get an online copy of Fathul Bari

?

at a reliable source

well here is one for those who are interested, but it is in Arabic, it is a summery of Fath ul bari

al-eman.com/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%83%D8%AA%D8%A8/…**/i9&p1

Abdullah

Fath ul Bari is one of the most beautiful books

Al Ummat

agreed

have you ever seen all of it's books?

physically?

Abdullah

Nope.. some of them..I've

It is a wealth of knowledge

Al Ummat

19:10

well if you get a chance you should see it in all of it's books, and not the summarized ones, but the full ones. I have been trying to obtain it, it is full of knowledge, it can fulfill the obligation of seeking knowledge for a few years

Abdullah

Totally agree..

Al Ummat

have you ever thought what it would be like being in a giant library that contains all the written books by Islamic scholars ever?

I am pretty sure I won't leave until I die if there is such a place :P

Abdullah

Yup, I've seen them. And I wonder if I ever start reading them.. I would not leave it for rest of my life

ditto

There were some scholars who locked themselves up in libraries

studying

And they study a particular issue for so many years.

Apparently, I read Imam Ahmad studied the fiqh of menstruation for 9 years.

Al Ummat

that's nice to know

Abdullah

Yeah, that shows the complexity of fiqh

Al Ummat

19:18

I have heard from a friend that in Africa {I don't recall the exact place in Africa} they discovered books under houses and stuff

because Africa was a center of knowledge and the scholars had written many books, but when Europeans came and started taking them as slaves they started burning the books

and so to keep them safe the people hid the books and texts under houses and buried them

Abdullah

Could be..yeah.. Africa once was a centre of knowledge... Ethiopia and regions.. may Allah aid the brothers and sisters in somalia

Al Ummat

and they had discovered them again, and they are now trying to digitizing them for preservation

Ameen

but when the burning of the books started when the slave trade started many many years ago

hundreds of years

Abdullah

Yup

Al Ummat

but now since they are digitizing them, I wonder if they can be accessed online

did you hear about this {discovery} before?

goldPseudo

you can find a lot of classic texts digitized at archive.org

Abdullah

19:23

No.. I haven't ...Allahu A'lam.. I have found some good books at the archive.org though.. some rare ones.. Not really old.

@goldPseudo :)

goldPseudo

often straight scans, rather than searchable text. but still valuable.

Abdullah

yup..

Al Ummat

I have some good links to some book site online, some are in Arabic though

here is one

islamweb.net/newlibrary

Abdullah

Yes Islamweb is also good

Al Ummat

I find this good

maktabah.org

Abdullah

19:28

the name sounds fancy

multilingual wow

Al Ummat

there is this, it can be translated into some languages including English

qurancomplex.org

there is this it is in Arabic

almaktba.com

Abdullah

Yup, this is King Fahd printing press' website

Al Ummat

yes

it has some online books on some of the sciences of the Qur'an

like Maki and Madani

Abdullah

yup

Al Ummat

Annasikh wal Mansookh

although it is not all of them

it is a good introduction

now there are some of the sciences that you got to know Arabic like Ilmul Tajweed and Irabul Quran

I tried to see if I could get these in english but I can't it would seem it is only in Arabic, that is fine for me but maybe not for someone else

Abdullah

19:33

Yes, there are many works that has not been translated into English in first place

Probably because it loses its original significance or meaning..

Al Ummat

yeah, but there are some sciences that don't require the Arabic

like Maki and Madani

you could probably find some english copys online

Abdullah

yeah.. There is one

this is a nice site - al3arabiya.org

Al Ummat

yes very nice

this looks like a nice book

al3arabiya.org/2012/03/book-of-arabic-grammar-lessons.html

Abdullah

Ma'asha Allah .. Arabic is something.. you have to keep improving and learning.. and it has lot of things to study

has anybody tried cupping?

Al Ummat

no, but I intend to

it's about time I do it

Abdullah

19:43

I want to as well..

but have to do with some who has experience

Al Ummat

this is a very good site @Abdullah I think this might interest you I don't know, the site is: qibla.com

qibla.com/academics/curriculum-degrees

I intend to get my Ijazah for Qur'an here Insha'Allah

Abdullah

they are based in US?

yup

I am not in US

Al Ummat

I believe you can still access, actually I believe one can access from any where

Abdullah

like online degree?

Al Ummat

yes

I am not totally sure I know this site provide online degrees

islamiconlineuniversity.com

and diplomas

user791022

19:55

salaam

Al Ummat

@user791022 Wa Alaikum salam

@user791022 how are you?

user791022

I am good Alhamdolillah

How are you?

Al Ummat

Alhamdulillah

user791022

I need to decide my username lol

Al Ummat

@user791022 Inhsa'Allah you think of a very good one, can I be of any help with your deciding?

user791022

19:57

Do you remember which hadith say Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) got married at the age of 9?

If you want :D

TRiG

@user791022 Mine is from my name: Timothy Richard Green.

Al Ummat

I do not believe Muhammad got married at nine

but Aisha did is that what you are looking for?

user791022

Sorry, I meant other way round.

Silly me

yes

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