Shavu3h tov

I think most Shia are in the Iran area in which the story of aster takes place that is why they don't like that story. Maybe I am wrong

Some muslims in Iran even wanted to destroy the graves of mordochai and aster

Which is used as a mosque and knissa for Jews and muslims

for those who want to see the graves

shows a bit more around

anyway im going to head out to work real quick ill be back

Interesting Fact: Love without Justice is unfair, God/Allah is perfect in both, meaning He is both love and just

sholom

@DhoweedYaAgov Wa Alaikum

@AlUmmatمجاهد did u see those 2 videos?

@DhoweedYaAgov no actually i didn't

oh and for the record, I am not shia

I cannot really comment on the videos

you see

i was just showing them off

do you know farsi?

@DhoweedYaAgov I see

@DhoweedYaAgov A little, not much though

I can understand written Farsi more than spoken

look how much my people and the people around are connected

all around in muslim countries

there are cemetaries of my peoples nabee'eem

we cant visit them

even in our own home land, israel, we cant visit them

muslims dont let

@DhoweedYaAgov we are connected because we are brothers, if not we are brothers in deen, we are still brothers in humanity

@AlUmmatمجاهد if there would be less fighting between brothers that would be good

may Allah speed up the days of redemption and the coming of Malach HaMoshiahH. Omen

@DhoweedYaAgov agreed, and I also agree we can live peacefully together, but in today's world neither side would seem to want to

:/

@AlUmmatمجاهد do you understand aramaic?

@DhoweedYaAgov no

@DhoweedYaAgov do you?

yes a little

what about hebrew?

also a little

the talmud was written in aramaic

but with hebrew letters

when jews were in babylon(iraq)

they knew aramaic more than hebrew

so they wrote the laws in aramaic for people to learn it easier

the meeshna was written in israel before the exile to babylon so it was written in hebrew

i can read the aramaic letters a little also

the are more similar to hebrew than arabic

the hebrew letters we use now are called ktab ashuree

meaning assyrian letters

I see

then there is ktab eevree which is real hebrew letters

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/…

do you recognize anything there?

@DhoweedYaAgov on the second word I think I see a Jeem and a Haa' at the first of it

I also think I see a laam

a word that looks like Ma'akum which means "with you"

ther then that, it kind of looks like hebrew

secord word under the english

or second word of the paragraph

@DhoweedYaAgov on the second line

after the english

cant be ma'akum because there is a bei in there

oh and I think I might see a Hamza

the second letter is a bei

@DhoweedYaAgov I see

this is a aramaic prayer jews say

when praying

in the end will be a little hebrew

3mei is aramaic for 3mma

3m in hebrew

moshia7 in hebrew mashi7ei in aramaic mesih in arabic

I see

and hear

I listened to a bit in the first and fast forwarded to listen to the end

yea

I heard the difference

do you know your peoples history?

i feel like if people knew their nations ancient history, things would be different

not to mention if you look for people living in mountains or ask bedouins bout their history it would help alot since they didnt really change for over 2000years

@DhoweedYaAgov I am a man of many peoples, so which one do I start with?

thats the problem

people intermarried and no one is of pure heritage anymore

but according to jewish law religion goes by mother and nationality and customs go by the father

@DhoweedYaAgov the point of God creating many peoples, and tribes, and nations, is for us to get to know each other, furthermore we are to each other as a sign/Ayah for us to think about

@AlUmmatمجاهد well HaShem created odom hareeshon and hHavo so that they and their children could be in jan eidan

there wasnt supposed to be tribes and peoples and nations

@DhoweedYaAgov You have your way and we have ours. I do not follow the way of my ancestors, I follow the way God set for us all. My mother was a christian who became Muslim way before my birth.

all that happened after them being kicked out of jan eidan

@AlUmmatمجاهد yes alot of syrians were originally christian

because that is where isa's followers went to spread their teachings

no one listened in israel to their none sense

@DhoweedYaAgov But God wished this to be so, and this is one of His signs, for us to think, if we reject, we reject one of His signs

@AlUmmatمجاهد no, HaShem let it play out. There is really no need for us to pray to Him

@DhoweedYaAgov Issa came to the Jews/Bani Isra'eel, not those aside them

@AlUmmatمجاهد if you knew your people's and the people's history around you, you would know that that is not true

@DhoweedYaAgov No, He has no need for our prayers, but we need them like we need food

that is one reason why quran is wrong. it is rewriting history

@AlUmmatمجاهد yes we need Him, He doesn't need us

hence we must pray, because He commanded us to

must pray for our needs not His needs

He doesnt have needs

@DhoweedYaAgov yes, and it would be in our best interest to follow what he commanded, and pray to Him

@AlUmmatمجاهد yes truth

@AlUmmatمجاهد you know how many shia muslims in iran are leaving islam for their "original" religion, zoroastrianism, which is fire worshiping?

they are learning about their ancestry and their real customs and real language and letters and all taht

@DhoweedYaAgov Do you know how many learned Muslims who leave Islam to follow the ways of their fathers?

and they are leaving islam because it doesnt correspond with their history

the iranian muftis or sheikhs, idk what you call them, they said it is a epidemic

people are leaving back for their original traditions

this is happening and other muslim countries too

they say islam merges people into one nation, when in reality those nations not so long ago were rival enemies

different nations with different historys and customs and stories

fi biladi

@DhoweedYaAgov ?

what

@DhoweedYaAgov what does "fi biladi" mean?

biladi means from the country

original

in arabic, no?

fi means in?

@DhoweedYaAgov yes, "balad" بلد

baladi

@DhoweedYaAgov بلدي means my country

right

baladi

doesnt fi baladi mean for my country?

or for the country

@DhoweedYaAgov it means in my country

ahh

have you ever been to syria?

i have alot of jewish friends who stem from syria

there is a big jewish syrian comunity here

@DhoweedYaAgov what kind of question is that?

alot from aleppo

I am from syria

I though I told you that before

:)

yea you might stem from syria but born here

I live almost all my life in Syria, some in Jordan and some in US

ahh

my jewish syrian friend has a website

aslalyahud.org

@DhoweedYaAgov your friend is in Syria or US?

here in us

I see

let me find you a video from taht site you can see and listen to what he says

in arabic

aslalyahud.org/subpage.php?id=14

bottom of page

he speaks

interesting

never mind

all I will say is interesting :)

did you understand what he said?

i heard its a good website

@DhoweedYaAgov yes, He made some mispronunciations of some letters but for a fus-ha speaker, from Syria, He is clear

alot of information of people learning about jews

hey i think he was born here

he learned arabic from home and/or college

so for what he knows i think its good

@DhoweedYaAgov ok that would explain some of the questions I have in my head

@DhoweedYaAgov ah I see

hes also young

@DhoweedYaAgov Alhamdulillah

aslalyahud.org/subpage.php?id=92

10 commandment in arabic

"And [recall] when We took the covenant from the Children of Israel, [enjoining upon them], "Do not worship except Allah ; and to parents do good and to relatives, orphans, and the needy. And speak to people good [words] and establish prayer and give zakah." Then you turned away, except a few of you, and you were refusing."

yes all truth

"O Children of Israel, remember My favor which I have bestowed upon you and that I preferred you over the worlds."

@DhoweedYaAgov I like it how He put in those brackets

all truth

we dont hide anything

@DhoweedYaAgov " Among the Jews are those who distort words from their [proper] usages and say, "We hear and disobey" and "Hear but be not heard" and "Ra'ina," twisting their tongues and defaming the religion. And if they had said [instead], "We hear and obey" and "Wait for us [to understand]," it would have been better for them and more suitable. But Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, except for a few ."

yes all truth

that is why those jews died in the meedbar

and didnt go ti arasS yisroel

only their children in the 4th generation were allowed in

even Mosha Rabbeinu didnt get to step into arasS yisroel

he only saw it ontop of the mountain

and he was crying because he wanted to be in the holy land

arasS is land

yisroel is israel

ah I see

all over the tanach you will see jews arguing with HaShem

and they get punished

and then they are accepted back by Him because of his mercy

and the cycle goes on

and it was already predicted in the Torah this will happen

Allah Himself said so

that doesnt mean he will send and replace his nation

he will only replace them with their children so they can fill in their shoes

if you read the Torah, it says Mosha Rabbeinu asks who is for Allah come with me who is for their old ways will die

i think only a few of each tribe went

the rest didnt want to go until Mosha Rabbeinu thought them well

all those curses in the quran already happened on us and still are occuring

look in the Torah how many curses HaShem bestowed on us

@DhoweedYaAgov but don't you believe the Quran is not from Allah?

yes

i believe the quran takes things from the Torah and twists them the wrong way

@DhoweedYaAgov Muhammad couldn't read

it has nothing to do with mohammed

@DhoweedYaAgov then what?

also fatima was rich enough to afford for him writers and interpreters

her ex husband was a rich man

"Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah , they would have found within it much contradiction."

there is much contradiction in it

@DhoweedYaAgov no one of the best poets back then could match the Quran

by restating the Torah and christian bible doesnt mean it is not contradictory

if can be the best poetry in all of eternity

it still has no holyness

law in judaism says if a writer is writing the Torah and 1 letter in all of the Torah is wrong

the entire Torah is forbidden to use and should be buried

and it has no holyness

so if 1 letter is false and it has no holyness, how much more so if entire pages are found to be false

if islam only accepted judaism and not christianity, then i think it would have changed alot of jews to muslims

even though it is still false

but having accepted christianity and pre islamic pagan arab traditions and stories

it has no chance

Islam will never change

only the uneducated people will accept it

the basic message will never change

thats good

as long as everyone believes in 1 G-d

no murdering no stealing no adultery no idolatry

its fine

no problem isa had Torah for he was a jew and he followed the Torah as well

@DhoweedYaAgov yes

im fine with that

if you believe in the torah

then stick with it

if you believe the quran more than the torah then its contradictory

i also have a question

why does it matter to you what banei yishmoel and banei yaAgob did?

@DhoweedYaAgov what is it?

you are not from neither tribes

they are not your people

90% of the nabee'eem are from banei YaAgob

the rest are made to be prophets by Allah

so why does it matter to you what MY people do?

So that others may not transgress and think twice before doing, so that we do not become like some of those of the past

your people were pagans even after Allah punished my people

most middle eastern people were pagans

theres still people from arab countries who are pagans

@DhoweedYaAgov others can be murderers but that doesn't make you or me a murderer, and just like others of your people and mine may be pagan doesn't you or me pagan

the jews were exiled from jerusalem and the destruction of the second temple occured a little bit over 2k years ago

right

so if HaShem wanted to chose arabs over jews to be his people, chas washolom, then why did he wait more than 300-500years

not to mention it still contradicts the Torah

but lets just think it doesnt for a second

when did mohammed live

in 400ad?

@DhoweedYaAgov because they aren't, you are not over us nor are we over you, no person is above another, the only thing that distinguishes is the God consciousness/Taqwa in an individual

but in quran is says HaShem pickedus above all otehrs

even though that contradicts the torah

that question is brought in the talmud

a zoroastrian priest asks that question to a jewish sage

and the jewish sage answers hiim

the misconception and hatred towards jews already existed before islam and christianity

just islam and christianity repackaged the hate with a different story

@DhoweedYaAgov He picked you over the world in the past, He chose your forefathers your ancestors

and when did he stop choosing us?

I have to go make maghrib now, I'll be back in a few minutes

maArib for me too