AvocadOS

Maltysen

04:54

where do invitations show up?

Easterly Irk

github.com/orgs/jQueryOS/teams/jqueryos-dev-team

@Maltysen email

Downgoat

email

Easterly Irk

ninja'ed

Mars Ultor

@Maltysen or just go to the org page

Easterly Irk

Everybody join the team!!!

Downgoat

04:55

we need an avatar

Mars Ultor

an avocad

Downgoat

yes

how's that?

Easterly Irk

brb making

Downgoat

@EasterlyIrk that is amazing

Mama Fun Roll

Alrighty guys, I added outputting capabilities to bitman!

github.com/molarmanful/bitman

Downgoat

04:58

@MamaFunRoll do you want to join the jQueryOS dev team?

Maltysen

@EasterlyIrk add OS to the end of that

other than that 8/10

Mama Fun Roll

@Downgoat Sure.

Easterly Irk

Maltysen

rofl

Mama Fun Roll

@EasterlyIrk -1 not enough comic sans

Easterly Irk

04:59

@Maltysen ^^

Downgoat

@MamaFunRoll you should get an email so you can join

Mama Fun Roll

@Downgoat Um I have one.

Mars Ultor

GH: molarmanful

Maltysen

@EasterlyIrk you might want to make the jquery smaller and add the "OS" in the same line as jQuery

Easterly Irk

yah

Downgoat

05:00

@MamaFunRoll no like you will receive an emial in your inbox soon

@MamaFunRoll no, github will automatically send you can email

Mama Fun Roll

@Downgoat Lol le misunderstanding

Mars Ultor

@Maltysen But you need to redefine add as + etc

Maltysen

@MarsUltor so why a special keyboard needed?

Downgoat

@MamaFunRoll you should ask a mod to purge the revisions or something

github.com/jQueryOS/jQueryOS/blob/master/jquery.asm

if you know asm please help me code jquery in machine code

Mars Ultor

@Maltysen For the less obvious chars

Maltysen

05:02

@Downgoat kinda

Mama Fun Roll

Anyway, I should go to bed. I will start working on jQueryOS tomorrow.

Mars Ultor

@Downgoat Um. No, you need an asm.js to asm compiler

Maltysen

we should first get a basic overview of what we're gonna do first

@MarsUltor why

Downgoat

@MarsUltor halp, how juic asm.js, i tri fo 3 hour but no asm :(

Mars Ultor

So you can update jQuery straight from their website

Maltysen

05:03

we're writing js ground up in asm, right?

Downgoat

no idea

Maltysen

well first lets get a bootloader going

Downgoat

ok, how do you make a bootloader

Maltysen

idk, I though you knew how to do OS's.

I'm reading some tutorial right now

Downgoat

I thought you meant ostrich slime

._.

Mars Ultor

05:04

Also, TIL brand.jquery.org/logos

Wait

Downgoat

organicdesign.co.nz/Writing_a_boot_loader_in_assembler

Maltysen

I'm reading: mikeos.sourceforge.net/write-your-own-os.html

Downgoat

ok, will read also

Easterly Irk

Maltysen

nice

Mars Ultor

05:06

Something like github.com/CosmosOS/Cosmos/tree/master/source/Cosmos.IL2CPU

Maltysen

liking the comic sans

Mars Ultor

Comic Sans?

Easterly Irk

@Downgoat ^^^^^^

Downgoat

@EasterlyIrk beautiful :^)

Easterly Irk

Tried to get red text. shrugs

Should I change the color of the 'OS'?

Nah.

I like JQueryOS.

Downgoat

05:07

@EasterlyIrk can you make it square?

@Dennis +1

Easterly Irk

@AlexA. thank you for the avocad meme starter.

@Downgoat yes brb

Downgoat

does anyone here know ASM?

Easterly Irk

Dead lizards always work for me.

@Downgoat @MarsUltor @Maltysen ^^^^^

Downgoat

@EasterlyIrk already updated github

Maltysen

@EasterlyIrk omg that scaling

Downgoat

05:09

@Maltysen it's perfect

Zach Gates

The inaugural message.

Downgoat

ok, so I think I figured out how to make a hello world program in asm. Now I just have to program jQuery in ASM

Zach Gates

pro

Maltysen

@Downgoat you're already halfway there

:P

Downgoat

yup

Easterly Irk

05:12

in The Nineteenth Byte, 3 mins ago, by Maltysen

@EasterlyIrk omg that scaling

in The Nineteenth Byte, 30 secs ago, by Easterly Irk

@Maltysen good or bad?

@Maltysen ^

Alex A.

← 82 messages moved from The Nineteenth Byte

Maltysen

@EasterlyIrk reminds me of:

I'm always disappointed when 'Anamorphic Widescreen' doesn't refer to a widescreen Animorphs movie.

Easterly Irk

@ZachGates not anymore....

@Maltysen so bad?

:(

brb

Maltysen

not really

its fine

it was just funny

Downgoat

github.com/jQueryOS/jQueryOS/blob/master/bootloader.asm

first commit!

Zach Gates

05:15

unfortunately I don't know asm

darn

Downgoat

mikeos.sourceforge.net/write-your-own-os.html

very good tutorial

if you know C you'll get the hang of it

Zach Gates

don't know C either

dang

Easterly Irk

don't worry, it's not that hard.

It is like js

Downgoat

well it's all stack-based

Easterly Irk

:(

I have to go to bed now.

bai guys

Downgoat

05:18

@EasterlyIrk night!

Easterly Irk

oh, ping me pls after I leave so i remember tomorrow

bbai

Downgoat

@EasterlyIrk ping

Mars Ultor

Found the font

for the logo

Not sure if anyone wants to make a more jQuery-looking logo

Probably needs a different logo

Maltysen

05:45

@Downgoat, so basically, in the bootloader, we have to load up our actual file from the disc and execute it

Mars Ultor

Actual file?

Maltysen

because the bootloader is limited to 512 bytes

Mars Ultor

that starts the OS?

or the BIOS?

Maltysen

the BIOS calls the bootloader

which is the first 512 bytes of the disc

the bootloader is then supposed to call your OS stuff

Mars Ultor

Oh

Maltysen

05:48

we probably want to have js in one file

jquery in another

our interpreter in another

Mars Ultor

are we using V8?

Maltysen

and the OS in the last

@MarsUltor no we're writing our own

Mars Ultor

right

shouldn't jQuery be run by the OS?

Maltysen

no

Mars Ultor

why not?

Maltysen

05:49

it'll be run by the interpreter

idk

Mars Ultor

OS -> interpreter -> jQuey?

Maltysen

it depends on how we want to structure it

Mars Ultor

Um.

Maltysen

we could just put the shell in the os file

Mars Ultor

Well, someone said it should break if there's no jQuery

Maltysen

05:50

well yes

Mars Ultor

wait, nvm

Maltysen

the shell won't be able to run any js commands like + and -

they'll be blocked

Mars Ultor

so just basic process commands?

node-style?

Maltysen

idk node

js will have everything that it normally has

but you can't call + from the shell

Mars Ultor

probably need node as well

for filesystem access, imports etc

Maltysen

05:52

@MarsUltor what do we need to import?

and file i/o will be done through ajax

Mars Ultor

@Maltysen nothing, just assuming JS is the base language

Maltysen

which is part of jquery

Mars Ultor

@Maltysen How?

Maltysen

$.get("file:///myfile", function(data){console.log(data)})

Mars Ultor

hmm

Maltysen

06:09

@Downgoat read through the mikeos asm source files. they're very helpful

Mars Ultor

06:58

Hmm

We just need a JS to asm compiler

then we can write the OS in JS

What kind of asm? x86?

Mars Ultor

07:12

okay, maybe not

but linux uses c, why are we using asm?

Maltysen

@MarsUltor we can use c

Mars Ultor

That is probably easier

Maltysen

we still need the bootloader in asm

and prolly some other boilerplate code to glue everything together in asm

i'm right now reading up on how all this works

and we can't use printf, fopen, etc.

Mars Ultor

github.com/torvalds/linux/search?l=nasm

have no idea why they only have three .asm files

wait

16-bit mode?

Mars Ultor

07:46

One of the survivors, poking around in the ruins with the point of a spear, uncovers a singed photo of Richard Stallman. They stare in silence. "This," one of them finally says, "This is a man who BELIEVED in something."

^ We have two years to do this

Also, apparently this is how the kernel should be structured/what it should do.

wait

is JS the best idea

many say JS is a bad language

Fire Shim

Doesn't that have something to do with why you're making this in the first place?

Mars Ultor

08:06

Yeah

Fire Shim

But you can't have jQuery without JS ;)

Mars Ultor

nvm

Fire Shim

If you really wanted, you could totally write all the JS stuff in a different programming language that transpiles down to Javascript (e.g. Typescript, or even something like Go or Scala)

Mars Ultor

08:52

Was gonna see how linux was written but encountered this

Found something :D

Useful resource #1: OSDev wiki

TIL there's an OS that fits on a flopy disk

Mars Ultor

09:17

@Maltysen @Downgoat @ZachGates ping to make sure you remember

es1024

09:54

@MarsUltor there was also an operating system in 3,555 bytes of C with lots of whitespace written for 17th international obfuscated c contest (more details)

Mars Ultor

12:28

@Everyone remember to make it a microkernel

Also try to make it small if it's possible. That way it will be very fast and customizable.

PhiNotPi

I've always wanted to make an OS.

Downgoat

14:59

@PhiNotPi Should I then add you to the jQuery OS team?

PhiNotPi

Sure

How much have you guys already done? Almost nothing?

Downgoat

@PhiNotPi We've started on the bootloader but none of us know asm, so we're all learning along the way.

@PhiNotPi invited

PhiNotPi

Have you seen this article on the OSDev wiki:? wiki.osdev.org/C%2B%2B_Bare_Bones

Downgoat

Right now, I'm reading this one: mikeos.sourceforge.net/write-your-own-os.html

PhiNotPi

15:17

Is it even possible to compile JS to C or anything like that?

Downgoat

there is a C++ implementation of JavaScript so yes

PhiNotPi

I assume you are talking about duktape.org

Downgoat

Spidermonkey is written in C/c++

Mars Ultor

Aren't all js interpreters written in c/c++?

Well, almost

Downgoat

yeah

well, Rhino is written in Java

Mars Ultor

15:33

Recompiling an existing interpreter to x86 won't work?

Btw, read the getting started section on osdev

/me hates using a windows phone

Also, apparently microkernels > hybrid > monolithic, just nobody's been bothered to create one that performs well

PhiNotPi

So, I guess the steps in loading the OS would look something like... boot loader calls a C program, which then has to implement all of the fancy functionality that the JS interpreter requires, and then we load up the interpreter, which we then feed the rest of the OS source?

Mars Ultor

And scroll up, there's some stuff about small OSes

@PhiNotPi any binary program will do, but we're probably using c

@PhiNotPi not sure if we can just recompile V8/spidermonkey

I'd honestly be really surprised if jQuery OS actually gets finished though

I think it should be renamed <something>.js because of XKCD. and node.js/os.js

@PhiNotPi fancy functionality?

Downgoat

jquery.jsOS

Mars Ultor

@Downgoat but that doesn't end in .js :(

Downgoat

jquery.jsOS.js

Mars Ultor

15:48

What

PhiNotPi

@MarsUltor I'm basing that assumption off of this...

Mars Ultor

Maybe jqueryos.js?

PhiNotPi

You should now
	# realize one of the profound truths about kernel mode: There is nothing
	# there unless you provide it yourself. There is no printf function. There
	# is no <stdio.h> header. If you want a function, you will have to code it
	# yourself. And that is one of the best things about kernel development:
	# you get to make the entire system yourself.

Mars Ultor

Avocad.js?

PhiNotPi

from the OSDev bare bones article

Downgoat

15:49

@PhiNotPi whaaaaat

is there still argc and argv?

Mars Ultor

@Downgoat c for OSes

PhiNotPi

My assumption is that, whatever is in the JS interpreter, it probably assumes a lot of OS functionality that we will have to provide it.

Downgoat

do I have to do asm to add to the output register then?

Mars Ultor

@Downgoat ?

Downgoat

there is no stdio so I don't know how to do input/output

PhiNotPi

15:51

If we want to print to screen, we will have to write directly to video memory: wiki.osdev.org/Printing_To_Screen

Downgoat

oh my gosh

Mars Ultor

@Downgoat scroll up, apparently it's possible in 3kb

Someone made an 8086 emulator in 8086 bytes as well IIRC

Downgoat

people are crazy, but so are we

Mars Ultor

@Downgoat also, somewhere up there I linked to a small OS with nice graphics that fits in a floppy disk

Maltysen

@Downgoat interrupes

Mars Ultor

15:56

Also, since I hope we're gonna make it a microkernel, it should mean much of the stuff is not run by the kernel

Downgoat

hm, where is the stdio source code...

Easterly Irk

16:14

okai morning

did you go all through the night?

Downgoat

@EasterlyIrk monking

I'm writing a display thing right now...

Easterly Irk

cool

What can I help with?

Downgoat

you can help write some IO stuff

or really anything

the bootloader has been barely started

Easterly Irk

Are we going to make our own or use a premade one?

Downgoat

we're going to make our own

we're going to use spidermonkey's JS engine though

Easterly Irk

16:19

okai

Mars Ultor

/me has yet to sleep

Easterly Irk

rofl

What time is it for you @MarsUltor?

Mars Ultor

2am

Downgoat

O_o

Easterly Irk

niiiiiiiiice

9:20am here.

Mars Ultor

16:23

I usually read webcomics from around 12 to 3, because I'm supposed to be asleep but I don't really feel like sleeping, and I can do hardly anything on my phone

Easterly Irk

okai

You still have to deal with parents?

Has anyone here killed the Doom final boss on nightmare mode?

According to the site, that is harder than creating an os.

Mars Ultor

@EasterlyIrk ?

Easterly Irk

Are you a highschooler, college student, or adult?

Mars Ultor

@EasterlyIrk highschooler

Easterly Irk

okai

same

Mars Ultor

16:27

Apparently a lot of people here seen to be highschoolers

Easterly Irk

Technically I am a middle schooler, but eh.

same thing

Mars Ultor

More specifically, 15-16

Easterly Irk

@MarsUltor A lot yeah

Mars Ultor

@EasterlyIrk Wait what

Easterly Irk

I think the majority is 20-25.

@MarsUltor I am a middle schooler.

Are you not american?

Mars Ultor

16:28

@EasterlyIrk what grade?

Easterly Irk

7th.

Mars Ultor

/me is too lazy to bring up SE rules

Btw, Australian

Easterly Irk

I am 13, so I am fine here.

@MarsUltor oh yeah

YOu made me think that Downgoat was australian when you were Upgoat.

That was really confusing.

Mars Ultor

@EasterlyIrk just no personal details allowed or something I think

Easterly Irk

eh

yeah, that's right.

Minibits has an 'account' created with permission from his dad, Geobits.

Mars Ultor

16:32

@EasterlyIrk wait, minibits has an account?

Easterly Irk

yep

Mars Ultor

Link?

Easterly Irk

brb finding

Minibits

7 4

Minibits

1 1

On PPCG and Arqade.

I think he is 7-8.

Downgoat

I started on the video memory

if anyone has a VM can you compile and test the OS?

Easterly Irk

brb getting VM

Mars Ultor

16:36

BTW, I kinda know how Americans are different, just I wasn't aware there were any <15 year olds here

@EasterlyIrk get virtualbox

Easterly Irk

;)

okai

Mars Ultor

Also might need NASM

Easterly Irk

got that

brew install nasm was ran last night.

Mars Ultor

7 rep?

Easterly Irk

2 answer up, 2 answer down.

Mars Ultor

16:38

s/ran/run/

Easterly Irk

screw grammar

He answered something to a guy using cheats, which got him into the original problem.

Downgoat

do we want to use BIOS for our I/O or make our own?

Easterly Irk

Start with BIOS.

Downgoat

and do we want graphic support or just plain text?

Easterly Irk

Plain text.

Figlet + Picascii.

:)

Downgoat

16:41

I'll do GUI, that we we can admire the jquery in full HD

Easterly Irk

eh

idc

Also, how can I boot AvocadOS into VirtualBOx?

Downgoat

no idea

did you built it?

I think you have ot modify the master boot record

Easterly Irk

:(

I think it needs a .iso.

Mars Ultor

Idk

I can do it tomorrow

Also, will this have a c9?

Easterly Irk

idk

brb making

Mars Ultor

16:45

Booting avocados is a bad idea

Easterly Irk

yeah

but not AvocadOS!

ide.c9.io/rikerw/jqueryos#openfile-README.md

@MarsUltor ^

Downgoat

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A: Creating a bootable ISO image with custom bootloader

It appears you found your example for creating a bootable ISO image from this StackOverflow Answer. Unfortunately you picked an accepted answer that is incorrect in many ways. Pretend you never saw that answer. On most Linux distros either a program called genisoimage or mkisofs exists. These da...

@EasterlyIrk ^

Easterly Irk

Okay, so I am working on testing it. Great.

brb

Downgoat

I think I might have to fix the bootloader

Easterly Irk

yah, it errors

when I try to boot it

also, any windows users put a win8 .iso online for free pls?

Downgoat

16:58

I'll try to get the booting done before the display then

Easterly Irk

kthx

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