Moonwards

kim holder

01:09

oh my god SketchFab is INSANELY AWESOME!!

(pant, pant...)

me 10 min ago: Ok, so actually uploading something to SketchFab is really easy and feature rich... but i'll lose all the markers annotating the models... Oh wait, it has a feature that does that exact thing way cooler than i could ever do myself!!

help.sketchfab.com/hc/en-us/articles/…

life feels too easy sometimes... is it alright that this is going to be so easy?

kim holder

01:32

skfb.ly/MHZv

kim holder

01:55

ok, to get a pro account free i need 5 people to sign up after an invite from me... i have a couple of names, and could of course rope in various relatives. Anyone up for that?

i feel like i should try to get them some folks who might actually use it...

Hohmannfan

04:00

*Wakes up in the morning and is seeing a post about some 3D stuff he has never heard of before. Looks into it.

kim holder

16:38

skfb.ly/MIZI

Hohmannfan

19:10

Signed up for 3D-thingy.

kim holder

thanks :)

i think it is going to help a lot.

Hohmannfan

And now for something completely different: What is "Quark ice cream"? I feel I may slip a cultural reference in my translation.

kim holder

quark ice cream?? you've got me...

wow, a lot of hits come up when i google it

i've been away from canada a long time...

Hohmannfan

I know there are a lot of hits, but they do not make sense to me.

Wait...

I think I got it

Nevermind

kim holder

19:26

it would seem someone decided to name a fruit 'quark'

Hohmannfan

A dairy-product, actually.

kim holder

oh no - yeah, you beat me

Hohmannfan

I know what it is, it just has another name here.

kim holder

who does these things? they must be stopped.

wait - i guess actually quarks were named after a dairy product...

Hohmannfan

I also now understand why "Our entire food supply is Quark Ice Cream" is a problem.

kim holder

19:28

i have never, ever heard of any dairy product referred to as quark

Hohmannfan

...but for my translation, there should be plenty of crazy Norwegian dairy products to use instead.

kim holder

is norway big on dairy products?

Hohmannfan

A bit.

kim holder

low-sugar, raw quark ice-cream is probably something i could survive on for quite some time without detriment.

Hohmannfan

Actually, knowing the main character in that story, it could have been much, much worse.

kim holder

19:33

it's from a story?

Hohmannfan

Freefall. Translating a few webcomics right now. Freefall is my most recent project.

kim holder

Oh, translating into your own language? That is a cool project.

Well, you'll sure know the story after that :)

Hohmannfan

*Realizes he is going to be one of those people who can quote comics. Shrugs.

kim holder

:)

Hohmannfan

Anyway, can contributing to Moonwards be kind of an on-demand thing? At the moment, it is not entirely clear what is needed. But if you orders some calculation/simulation, I can have something ready within a week.

kim holder

19:43

Yes, i am well aware of this weakness....

i'm working on the wiki on GitHub, hoping to sort it out enough to be clear

the one section done on the Plan page could be used to create such a section for other pieces - it's meant as a model

Hohmannfan

I am not a "big picture" kind of planner with any project. I make a lot of specific parts, and then stick them together with duct tape and JS.

kim holder

Well, for instance, the TESS

you did work on that. i haven't built a model yet, but if i did, i'd probably import it into SketchFab, and then for instance you could annotate it

to explain it. or to point out things that need to be changed.

and we could work out how the final version should be through GitHub, using an issue page for that piece

then when it is done, i post it on the real site

i just keep getting sidetracked with other things i need to do, and backed up with more basic work on the site that only i can do...

and making the models, which only i can do at this point too

becoming moderator ate up close to half of last week

I'll indicate here, and on the forum, when i think i've gotten to a state where i need to talk to people about them taking on specific tasks

Hohmannfan

How many years ago would you have seen it as highly unlikely that you would ever become a space guru?

kim holder

heehee, i'm going to say -2?

i think this project has amazing potential, and i'm still like a chicken with its head cut off, trying to sort it out so that might actually happen.

Hohmannfan

"Creating a moon base is a bit like being a headless chicken... in a way... sorta."

kim holder

19:56

LOL

my faith was much renewed by the discovery of how powerful SketchFab is

learning to use it will be much, much faster than learning how to do walk-throughs in Blender and how to put that into a page with JS

Hohmannfan

Have you seen Randall's garden? The comic finally came out.

kim holder

hehehe, yes. but i didn't play with it.

you'll be happy to know half a dozen moderators have been so taken with it they've been chatting about it in the Teacher's Lounge.

Hohmannfan

Mine is doing fine at xkcd.com/1663/#bb10d57e-fa76-11e5-8001-42010a8e0016

kim holder

oh, that's great!

well, randall outdid himself. i can understand why it was tricky.

Hohmannfan

What do you think? People building a moon base in an URL-pin, accessing it once in a while, sharing the link with friends...

kim holder

20:07

oh - absolutely

i thought of that a while ago. i've wanted it to be like a minecraft experience.

that's the thing - i have these ideas, but it is useless to talk about them right now.

unless somebody strolls in and says 'oh hey, i know exactly how to do that', there is a bunch of stuff to do first before i can even open the conversation

i do plan to start the Unity course Pearson recommended as soon as i have all the sections set up on the wiki on GitHub

and issue pages for each model

Hohmannfan

What might become true in the not-so-distant future is a "click here to play a text-based moon base management game".

kim holder

Oh?

Hohmannfan

It is not done yet though.

kim holder

Ohhhhh?...

Hell, that might need it's own page...

Hohmannfan

The basic interface and game structure is mostly done, and a few elements of game-play added, but it needs some more weeks of dev time first.

JS/HTML as usual.

kim holder

20:15

well, i'll think on how it could be given proper attention. It sounds like it would be great for piquing interest in the whole issue.

am i right that you are willing to put it on Moonwards, as opposed to your own site?

Hohmannfan

I do not have a site. Better putting it somewhere someone may play it.

kim holder

analytics.google.com/analytics/web/?hl=en#report/defaultid/…

considering how it is in such a partial state, and i don't spend time directly promoting it, i'm okay with the traffic right now

i'll push way harder once there is more infrastructure done

Hohmannfan

Is there data on Moonwards in that link?

kim holder

this brings to mind again though the proper sharing of credit.

did it load properly? i've never shared an analytics page before.

it should be the page for moonwards.com, with a filter that gets rid of spam views.

Hohmannfan

I just get the ad from google.

kim holder

20:21

shucks...

hm

i thought it was public

Hohmannfan

"Sell your soul to Google, and we give you some nice data back!"

kim holder

aha! i can add you through your email

should i use the one you've used to send me stuff?

Hohmannfan

yeah

kim holder

ok, you should get an email you've been added

Hohmannfan

I have to sign up though...

Walter gets this one.

kim holder

20:26

:D how many things have i made you sign up for now?

will it still work with walter?

Hohmannfan

I can see.

kim holder

(you should maybe delete the Trello thing...)

Hohmannfan

Meh, google can get another part of my soul for that analytics thing.

(is Trello not active anymore?)

kim holder

it was replaced with GitHub

i don't plan to use it anymore

Moonwards spiked when i was on the space show - which i will be on again. and it should spike after the ISDC conference.

and it is doing not bad, for its current state.

shortly i'll begin contacting people whose business cards i've been sitting on, waiting to have something noteworthy to say to them.

Hohmannfan

Let me see: GitHub, Google analytics, Trello, Lunatalks, SketchFab, SE forum...

kim holder

20:31

:D only two superfluous things you'll probably never use

Hohmannfan

Does this mean visitors are mostly us?

You do not see "41.44% Linux" every day.

kim holder

hm, i've been excluded from the numbers - i think. let me check that.

no, apparently there is something wrong with that

analytics.google.com/analytics/web/?hl=en#report/visitors-geo/…

but notice that there are no visits from norway

Hohmannfan

I am mostly registered as US and Russia :D

kim holder

:]

i've wondered how accurate it is, aside from that

there are a few people i know who likely ensure they aren't tracked

Hohmannfan

I am tricking GA on purpose though, it seems like I have succeeded with my browser too.

kim holder

20:38

i'm sure Tildal does the same thing

Hohmannfan

I am never ever going to put the google spyware on any page of mine.

kim holder

it's all over moonwards...

Hohmannfan

It is no problem for you...

kim holder

Pearson's garden

xkcd.com/#36aa0854-fa72-11e5-8001-42010a8e000e

Hohmannfan

Nice

But now it is getting late. Night.

kim holder

20:47

Goodnight, Sig

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