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00:00
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez Could you help me with a counting problem?
@Charlie Yes, I'm listening to it again now :-)
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez Hmmm, let's see. I have to count the number of functions $f:\{1,\dots,11\}\to\{1,\dots,26\}$ such that
$(1)$ $f$ is one one
$(2)$ $9\leq f(2)\leq 22$
$(3)$ $f(4)+f(5)=13$
(i.e. the three conditions are met)
Now, I can count each set separately, but I am wondering how to find $|A\cap B\cap C|$ in terms of them.
@skullpatrol wonderful!
$(1)$ is $26!/15!$, $(2)$ (if I'm not wrong) is $14\cdot 26^{10}$
I was about to count $(3)$.
00:04
the third condition can be satisfied in 12 ways
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez Yes.
count how many ways you can satify the last two conditions
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez Simultaneously, yes?
if h[n] = (1/2)^n*(u[n]), then what is h[k-n] ??
if $f(2)\leq13$... and if $f(2)>13$...
yes
00:06
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez Aren't they independent of each other?
is my intuition correct, ill just replaced every 'n' with 'n-k' ?
oops, i mean 'k-n'
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez Oh, right, because giving values to $f(2)$ in $1,\dots 12$ takes away values in $(3)$.
00:08
OK, if $f(2)\geq 13$ then we're good. Each time $f(2)=9,\dots,12$, the third conditions loses a count.
@sk
@skullpatrol
(I'm counting)
@vvavepacket It is better to ask after they are finished.
im sorry
00:12
@skullpatrol what is your rating?
@vvavepacket While you're waiting you could just write up the question and ask it on the main site :D
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez $11\cdot 4\cdot 26^{10}+12\cdot 10\cdot 26^{10}$? I'm not sure.
@Charlie 9.896
where did you get the factors which are powers of 26?
00:13
@skullpatrol wow! Really good
@Charlie Yipyipyip
remember that the function needs tobe injective
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez I was not counting that... just $(2)$ and $(3)$. UGH. Let me try again.
@skullpatrol :)
@Charlie :)
well, my next step was count now the functions which satisfy the three conditions :-)
@skullpatrol :). Actually b it's a half smile, but I didn't find a better representation
@Charlie B-)
00:16
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez Cannot we use inclusion exclusion to find $|A\cap B\cap C|$ in terms of $|A\cup B\cup C|$ and friends?
there is no need
count in how many ways you can define a function $\{2,4,5\}\to\{1,\dots,26\}$ satisfying the three conditions
and then count inhow many ways you can extend one such function to an injective function defined on the domain you want.
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez OK.
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez That is a great idea!
@skullpatrol haha
@Charlie :D:D
@Charlie What is it you're trying to represent?
@skullpatrol my half smile
00:23
@Charlie $\frac{:)}{2}$
or 0.5:)
@skullpatrol haha good
$\frac{1}{2}$:)
@skullpatrol the first is better :)/2 too
$\frac{:)}{\infty}$
an infinitesimal smile...
@skullpatrol it's a good one too
00:32
@Charlie This is not a smile $\frac{:)}{0}$
:℩
@skullpatrol hehe
Off topic: Can someone lead me to (link) an example of a geometrical simplicial complex? I don't understand what it means to intersect two simplices (and hence how to check such an intersection is a face).
does this simply mean that the intersections can only occur along vertices, edges, and faces?
@skull :?
@Charlie :\
00:45
hw do we use latex?
coz without latex, it looks unreadable math.stackexchange.com/questions/393021/…
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez I think I got it.
I think.
It should be $$4\cdot 11\cdot \frac{23!}{15!}+10\cdot 12\cdot \frac{23!}{15!}$$
01:18
@TobiasKildetoft Yello.
@PeterTamaroff Hi
@JonasTeuwen Are you there?
@JonasTeuwen Is the "Russell Hobbs Rhgesla Glass Espresso Maker" a good machine?
@TobiasKildetoft What are you up to?
@PeterTamaroff just relaxing, watching a let's play
@TobiasKildetoft A what?
people playing video games and talking about it
01:25
@TobiasKildetoft ooh, what game?
@TobiasKildetoft Link?
It's a TV show.
@skullpatrol what TV channel does let's plays?
01:27
@TobiasKildetoft I don't know but I did see it a couple of times.
ok. I don't think I have ever seen it on TV
Maybe I'm wrong.
@anon Can you verify a solution to a combinatorics problem?
It is below:
1 hour ago, by Peter Tamaroff
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez Hmmm, let's see. I have to count the number of functions $f:\{1,\dots,11\}\to\{1,\dots,26\}$ such that
1 hour ago, by Peter Tamaroff
$(1)$ $f$ is one one
$(2)$ $9\leq f(2)\leq 22$
$(3)$ $f(4)+f(5)=13$
40 mins ago, by Peter Tamaroff
It should be $$4\cdot 11\cdot \frac{23!}{15!}+10\cdot 12\cdot \frac{23!}{15!}$$
so effectively $$\sum_{f(2)=9}^{22}\sum_{\substack{f(4)=1 \\ f(4)\ne f(2)}}^{12}\#{\rm injhom}([11]\setminus \{2,4,5\},[26]\setminus \{f(2),f(4),13-f(4)\})$$
I would count it as: First, pick the values for 2,4 and 5
since for any given choice of those, it is easy to count the number of functions
and note that the image of 4 determines the image of 5
01:36
every summand is $23!/15!$, so we must multiply that by the number of terms, which is the number of ways to choose $f(2)$ and $f(4)$ according to the conditions, which is $4\cdot 11+10\cdot12$. so your answer is correct, Peter.
@anon Dafaq, man?
hmm, actually, we must also have $f(5)\ne f(2)$, i.e. $f(2)\ne 13-f(4)$ in addition to $f(2)\ne f(4)$, so we may need to recount
@PeterTamaroff Do you know how to use [text](link) ;-D
of course he does
hence the ";-D"
01:42
@skullpatrol That was not the point here. I wanted the image to be displayed!
@anon I put that into consideration when I counted, I think...
It would have added to a better effect...
Oh, wait, no. I didn't.... FML
for f(2) in {9,10,11,12}, there are 12-2=10 choices for f(4) (we must exclude both f(2) and 13-f(2)), otherwise there are 12 choices for f(4) if f(2)>12, so the count should be 23!/15! times 4*10+10*12.
@anon Wait, I did count that!
Oh, no-.
you wrote 4*11 the first time just like me
01:46
I had $11$, not $10$.
Yeah.
@anon Well, at least I got the same part wrong as you did. Shouldn't feel that bad!
I fault you for my mistake :)
@anon Hehe, well.
@PeterTamaroff Sometimes when I'm talking to you I feel like this, while most of the time I feel like this.
See the "BOOM" effect?
Just a suggestion...
02:01
@PeterTamaroff That's the idea pal :D
Does anyone know good introductory texts on game theory that also covers continuous time multiplayer games?
An numerical approximation methods for cases when the Nash equilibrium has not been proven to exist.
@Daryl Hello!
@user72273 There are some questions on this.
@PeterTamaroff ping!
@user72273 Here and here. See if they fit your purposes.
02:17
@robjohn @anon helped me! =D
@PeterTamaroff Okay. I'm glad you got help. Sorry I had to go.
@PeterTamaroff You understand spanish - What about posting this when meta drama happen?
@GustavoBandeira Hehehehe, well...
@PeterTamaroff Imagine if you send it to Bill Dubuque? He'll go back, the location on his profile will be "shoulders of carnaval"! XD
@GustavoBandeira I'm thinking about another song!
02:25
@PeterTamaroff What one?
Ah, no hay que llorar - que lo MSE es un carnaval. E es mas bello vivir preguntando!
yes
@anon Suppose $14\mid a$. I have to find $(a^2+21a+7,4704)$.
Now, since $a\equiv 0\mod 14$, $$a^2+21a+7\equiv 7\mod 14$$
what is putting parentheses around the quadratic supposed to signify?
And $4704=14\cdot 336$
@anon $\gcd$?
02:35
oh, no wonder the comma was in the wrong place..
heh
@anon Oh.
Got it =)
I thought the constant term of the quadratic was 74704
@anon Yes.
I see now.
you'll want to show the quadratic is 7 mod 7^2, either 1 or 2 mod 3, and then figure out how high a power of 2 it can be mod 2^5
@anon Yes, I thought so.
02:43
for that, you need to find the highest $n$ for which $21^2-4\cdot7-2^n$ is a square mod $2^5$, for which it suffices to just run down the list $n=5,4,3,\cdots$.
($a^2+21a+7\equiv 2^n$ mod $2^5$ has a solution iff $21^2-4\cdot7-2^n$ is square mod $2^5$)
note that $\Delta$ is a square mod $2^{{\rm blah}\ge3}$ iff it is a square mod $2^3$
@anon I don't follow this part.
I have shown the $\mod 7^2$ and $\mod 3$ parts, though.
oh, it would have to be something like $2^nm$ as $m$ can vary too, drats
the point is to see just how many times 2 can divide into the residue mod 2^5
that will be the power of 2 in the resulting gcd
list out the squares mod 2^5 (these are 0,1,9,17,25,4,16), translate this set additively by 4*7-21^2, then look at the 2-adic valuations of the resulting residues, I think
@anon Yes, I got $0,1,4,9,16,17,25$ alright.
 
1 hour later…
04:12
Does anyone have a favorite introduction to real analysis book?
nvm, I have read part of 1
lol
@Ethan Have you ever thought about thinking a little more carefully before you post a comment so that you don't have to remove so many of them Ethan?
@Ethan Would you want to consider it?
@DanZimm I have.
@GustavoBandeira what is it? :P
rather go answer this post then math.stackexchange.com/questions/392177/…
@DanZimm Specially the one by Brannan in this answer.
04:20
I lol at Ethan
Don't laugh at my pal please.
You guys take Ethan's (removed)mania too serious.
@GustavoBandeira ah ok
im not sure how to deal with duplicates but would that question i posted be a dup?
@GustavoBandeira I'm not taking it seriously, I'm just making a suggestion pal.
@skullpatrol You wouldn't be making a suggestion if you did not think there's a problem with it.
04:23
@GustavoBandeira or hes trolling
@GustavoBandeira I see no problem with it.
@DanZimm Some users want to hide their identities/thoughts, etc.
Sometimes they type it and then they remember they didn't want to say that and erase it.
It's just that.
gotcha ya
i know, i was moreso joking
There is time allowed for corrections.
04:24
I also joked in the past.
@GustavoBandeira What I'm try to say is that he should put a little more thought into what he is going to post.
@GustavoBandeira so would that question I posted be a dup?
7 mins ago, by skullpatrol
@Ethan Have you ever thought about thinking a little more carefully before you post a comment so that you don't have to remove so many of them Ethan?
hahahahaha
04:26
lol
I live in (removed)
:D
@Ethan I'm only making a suggestion pal.
@DanZimm I don't know if it's a dupe.
It's a dupe of what question?
the one you showed me an answer of
I don't mind, its partly for privacy and partly ocd, I do alot of things compulsively for no particular reason
@Ethan because youre awesome*
04:29
@Ethan And also partly for (removed).
s/no particular reason/because im awesome
@Ethan Just try to think a little bit about what and how you're going to say something, ok?
I am searching for a photo that shows express my manliness better.
@DanZimm Did you just call me a troll?
04:33
@skullpatrol yes but once again I said I was joking
Just joking :D
@DanZimm Nice to see someone new in the chatroom, welcome.
thank you :D decided I'd check out this place, it appears to be filled with awesome people!
I've found the photo.
9000 years later...
*over 9000
04:42
Done.
In the photo, I'm with beard.
Like an authentic mathematician.
wheres said photo
*where's
Profile.
Uploaded just now.
Actually some minutes ago
im jealous of the beard
04:51
im tyrying to grow one but its very sparse
@robjohn The chat in that question is going to be useful in the future - Did you see the questions I mentioned? Specially the one in mathematica.se? I can use that chat to show Artes why I didn't accept his answer. xD
@DanZimm Oh.
I should keep a mustache.
@DanZimm What's your photo? I don't get it.
@GustavoBandeira which chat?
i think it was some calculus on a napkin or something
04:55
@DanZimm The chat with Did.
huh?
@DanZimm I asked a question and a user pressed me for personal reasons.
(his personal reasons)
lmao, where?
Last question.
huh?
/me is an idiot sorry
04:58
@DanZimm You can sort my questions in the profile. But it's this one.
looking at it now
i lol to that @GustavoBandeira
@DanZimm To what?
Specifically?
how angry he's getting at that
@DanZimm When he said that I deleted a comment, I should have said that I learned that with @Ethan. XD
lmao
05:06
I don't.
Why?
nvm
Those guys made those visualisations with such crappy tools. xD
Have you ever heard of the old saying:
"Make sure your mind is in gear before you put your mouth in motion"?
@skullpatrol NO! doing so you lose all the fun.
05:12
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
I used to do songs for some of my friends.
@GustavoBandeira Thoughtful dialogue is more fun :D
@skullpatrol why do you study math
I made this to troll a friend.
wow, busting out the hard questions
05:14
Not exactly troll.
@Ethan To learn.
@Ethan Why do you?
She had a misconception about MIDI clock - mostly due to wrong information in the internet.
@skullpatrol I don't know
@Ethan You should think about it pal.
why?
05:16
why not?
lol
I don't know what I am saying
@Ethan I have the plan of a song for you: I will (remove) it (move it).
@skullpatrol when did you first start studying on your own time?
@skullpatrol how old were you?
05:19
nvm
lol
I don't really mind
I know ;-)
/me curious too
why isnt there a /me thing here?
05:20
are you in your 30s?
something like that
hes over 9000
Whats the oldest thing you can remember?
I got sad in my 20th birthday.
Your life is about a 4th over
3/4ths more to go
05:22
Yeah, that was the reason. =D
lol
@Ethan My life is about 4th (removed)! =D
isnt 20
You start to die the day you are born.
I think you grow faster then you decay
at first
05:23
@skullpatrol Not in Brazil. Here we travel to Amazonia and live happy forever.
I don't really have strict definitions of these words, I don't know much about physiology, or biology in general
@GustavoBandeira You just get ready for the world cup pal.
@skullpatrol Oh... The world cup is going to happen here... Tourists, argh.
I don't understand sports
@Ethan How no?
05:25
Competition.
I guess some people enjoy that sort of thing
Nice edit^ :D
Yeah, but it's a competition for something that's so futile.
And the sport stars earn a lot of money - why don't use that money in something more productive?
The competition is a way to vent aggression.
@GustavoBandeira Have you been to Amazonia?
05:29
@JayeshBadwaik Never.
My father lived there for sometime.
In Manaus.
Guy was in a coma for 20 years woke up in 2003, thought it was still 1983
I guess he had no recollection of the time he was asleep for
do you think he would have perceived the transition from 1983 to 2003 in an instant then? sense he wasn't conscious for any time in between
Like when you go to sleep you don't really remember the 8 or so hours you were asleep for
You just wake up the next morning
05:36
I should stop talking, I am making myself look like an idiot
lol
Too much of (removed) does that.
IMO
@skullpatrol what kind of math do you study anyway
Greetings.
(huh, I only slept 4 hours)
05:44
@Chris'swisesister sorry
7 mins ago, by Ethan
I should stop talking, I am making myself look like an idiot
7 mins ago, by skullpatrol
Too much of (removed) does that.
I think its a pro of talking over chat
I can't remove what I say when I have real conversations with people
But that doesn't happen very often anyway
lol
So why do it so much here?
I have more control over the situation
You can think a while before you type
You can't take a 5 minute pause in the middle of a conversation with another person
sure you can
05:46
35 mins ago, by skullpatrol
Have you ever heard of the old saying:
"Make sure your mind is in gear before you put your mouth in motion"?
i agree with anon
i have before
Lol, you just stop mid sentence and take a 5 minute pause
my dad is notorious for that. gets to the last sentence in the articulation of a thought, then forgets how he started the sentence, so gives up.
One famous scientist once said "Never start a sentence you can't finish."
@anon What does your dad do as a profession
05:51
systems analyst
i just say "one sec i gotta figure out how to articulate this"
I think after studying long enough, I found my own reasons to continue studying
i actually probably started studying math for the exact opposite reason - only thing my father didnt know :P (kidding)
"Father like son"
well im the first one ever in my family to take math seriously so, for me, out of no where
(not saying im a mathematician or anything :P)
Yes I was trying to think of another word
@GustavoBandeira I'm also available to discuss my answer with you further in chat, but no pressure.
I think claiming to be a practitioner in any field sounds kind of arrogant
@Ethan many people do, it bothers me
05:56
I would rather just say, I study this and that
yea
exactly
@Ethan I have something nice to you $$\space \lim_{n\to\infty}\sum_{k=0}^{n} \frac{\cosh (k \pi /n)}{(k+1)^2}$$ I know you like these things ;) - - - (and it's created by me)
reimann summy looking
Its ugly
lol
@Chris'swisesister does that converge?
05:59
Re-write it in terms of exponentials and it will look like garbage
@DanZimm to $ \pi^2/6$
interesting
@Chris'swisesister nvm, I guess it is sort of cool
You should write the results..

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