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21:00
for all other intresting stuff , i recommend gauss and riemann :)
It's a "World War"!!! it is everyone's fault!
I want to know whether or not the school fee is free of charge?
@Charlie no its not , they started it and voted for it and him
obama is everyones fault :p
@mick i won't talk about politcs
@Charlie I understand. But its related. Cant seperate it.
21:02
Can god divide a non zero by zero?
I don't talk about that subject , nor religion, nor sports
yes , its called the big bang :)
@GarbageCollector
the big bang is where god divided by 0.
@mick I think the word "relative" has relative meaning. :-)
i did not use the word relative , so relatively speaking , i do not know what concrete thing you are talking about ...
@mick Na, und?
21:05
yes with maple :)
Bist du von germany Brian ? :)
@mick No, I just like the language.
@Nimza why did you remove :)
@BrianM.Scott sprichst du deutsch?
fff im lucky then @BrianM.Scott :)
Ich Lerne!
21:06
@mick I think it's easy)
i just avoided a war.
@Charlie I’m too badly out of practice actually to speak it, and I write it very slowly, but I read it tolerably well.
@BrianM.Scott do you grow a mustache ?
@BrianM.Scott gut, sehr gut!
@mick Which mustache?
21:08
@mick I’ve had one for ... let me see ... over 40 years now.
I like Tom Selleck's Mustache!
@BrianM.Scott then you are at least 54 ... unless you mean milk ?
@mick 64. (It’s even in my profile.)
@mick yeah!
21:11
do you like MacGyver too ?
@mick yes
A friend of mine likes to annoy (educated) people bye asking why there are different languages ....
and then refute their ideas or commenly accepted ideas
@Charlie your an 80 type of girl it seems
@mick apparently
@mick That’s easy: because languages change over time, and languages that are not in contact do not change in the same ways. Basic historical linguistics.
@Charlie the A team ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MVonyVSQoM
21:14
@mick no...
@BrianM.Scott not so fast , prove that there was no contact :)
@mick How were South American natives in contact with East Asian nations?
For instance?
how about boats ?
btw we know nothing about their history we know european history and they killed the indians ..
21:18
@mick Across the Pacific or Atlantic Ocean?
@Argon what about before the continental drift ? or is that before mankind ?
@mick I think so.
what about the ice of the ice age then ? to walk on ?
By quite many millions of years
@mick True linguistic contact in the prehistoric world requires geographical proximity.
21:20
@mick Sure, for a bit. Then in melted.
The prevailing theory is an ice-bridge from Asia to alaska.
At least last time I read any anthropology
well america and uk are separed too ...
and there are many colonies in the history books
@mick So what?
they speak mainly the same ..
Yes but in such a case the linguistic similarity preceded the geographical separation. Also, Colonial Britain is not "pre-history".
21:22
@mick Again, so what?
@EdGorcenski Exactly.
what about europe , they are most connected and have most languages ??
and are the smallest region !
They have well-known linguistic family trees, with only a few notable exceptions.
@mick Europe is much smaller with a car and airplane...
@mick You’re still thinking in relatively modern terms. Europe is in fact huge by the standards of a hunter-gatherer culture, for example.
but dont you need to assume the explaination for languages difference before you can accept/construct linguistic family trees ?
yes , but communication is very vital to hunter gatherers , so why change it ?
21:25
No, because in recent history you can document linguistic changes, and the separation of languages is known in a modern context.
@mick It evolves with time, just as accents do.
aha , so you admit now you cannot document old linguistic changes ? thus disproving it :)
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@mick No, of course not. The interrelationships can be inferred without any reference to the causes of change.
No, I simply stated that we can construct linguistic family trees.
Effect is observable even when cause is not. This is a fundamental principle.
oh well I give up , but he has more arguments
21:26
Having many arguments does not mean that any of them are right.
Effect can have many causes !
@mick He seems quite argumentative.
one effect does not prove 1 cause
@mick No. You’re simply playing silly games based on ignorance of the subject.
are you an expert ?
21:27
@WillHunting $\therefore$
@Mick No, an effect has a single cause, always.
@mick Ask an expert. They will answer the same.
@mick No, but I’m a very knowledgeable amateur: historical linguistics is my major hobby, and I’ve been studying it off and on for decades.
hmm that sounds like a bijection to me , not all functions are bijections
Sometimes that cause is a combination of other smaller preceding effects. But there is only one arrow of time :)
21:28
@BrianM.Scott Like OldJohn :)
If my cat knocks my glasses off the table, the only cause for the glasses being on the floor is the cat. It cannot simultaneously be the dog, unless you trace the arrow back, and realize that the cat was on the table because the dog was barking. This does not absolve the more immediate causation, however.
@Argon It’s not incredibly uncommon to find mathematicians with an interest in linguistics.
see it works very well. you can irritate ppl easily with it :)
@BrianM.Scott Why is that? Interestingly, I have a similar interest in historical linguistics and ancient history in general.
@EdGorcenski Ha! The real cause is your having put them on the table in the first place!
21:30
btw if the glasses are on the floor , the cause does not have to be the cat !

i like cats !!
In my house, if the glasses are on the floor, it's always because of the cat.
@Argon I don’t know; it’s just an empirical observation. If I had to guess, it’s that both involve abstract systems in a significant way.
I have to put them in a drawer when I sleep -- he will hunt them down!
but your house is not a good model of the entire history of the planet :)
Apartly nobody trains their cats anymore :)
My cats are trained; they simply choose when they want to obey.
21:32
Mick, sometimes you just speak, speak and you don't say a thing...
@Charlie damn your mean :)
really that sounded like ... well ... like calling me a retard actually
@mick No, i just say that you put ideas that doesn't mean anything, and doesn't have nothing to do with what you are trying to prove...
so my defense makes no sense
21:36
sometimes, nothing you say makes sense...
lol
thanks
you're welcome
anytime
rolleyes
How are you, @Charlie ?
@Argon good, and you, Aaron?
21:38
@Charlie Good
:D
I'm listening to Ravi Shankar
@Charlie I'm getting worried; where is Jasper?
he's sleeping, it's 5 a.m
@Charlie He's usually up at 5!
@Argon he has no time to sleep. his sleep time function is discontinuous
nor uniform
21:41
Excuse me, guys, must eat!
Bye bye!
another must eat guys :)
@Charlie bye
@mick bye
@Charlie Bye
@mick and it's correct
21:42
@Charlie Gute nacht
@Charlie mine is funnier though :)
@Argon Bye! If you see willy, say Hi for him!in my name
@Charlie No prob
Danke
:)
21:43
@Argon Bis später
@Charlie That sounds ominous. (Well, it did before you fixed it.)
@BrianM.Scott yeah, i realized it was wrong
@Charlie It was kind of funny the other way, though.
haha
@will !!!
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Hey @argon thanks for the welcome song!
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21:47
@Charlie Hey hey.
ok im gonna post something stupid , brace yourself :))
@WillHunting :( i was just leaving...
@WillHunting Hey
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@Argon I just returned from a walk outside at my favourite shopping centre...
21:50
that was the silliest thing i posted .... so far :)
@WillHunting I was worried because you were not online... and it is Friday!
@WillHunting Great :)
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@WillHunting Bleh.
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Haha, I gave the first answer which is complete, yet it got no votes and the other two answers got votes. WTF!!!
@WillHunting It happens :(
21:54
@WillHunting What question?
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@BrianM.Scott Just something trivial. It's OK. math.stackexchange.com/questions/233541/…
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Hey @anon, so how did the rest of your talk go? Good good?
yeah, yeah. had to go over the same stuff again because of different people, I'm slated to finish monday. maybe. ish.
Will are you a bieber fan ?
@mick He is JB's biggest fan.
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22:00
@mick Of course. I not only am a Bieber fan, I used to look like Bieber as well.
@WillHunting I would have loved to see that.
@WillHunting No one immediately addressed EMACK’s obvious misapprension that $x$ automatically denotes something in the domain and $y$ something in the range, so I didn’t upvote any of them. I suspect that Pambos’s answer is the most useful of the three to EMACK, because of the example, and that Ilmari’s comments are more useful yet, but there’s nothing wrong with yours, so I’ve upvoted it to match the other two.
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@BrianM.Scott Aww, you don't need to do that. I would not want to trouble a retired prof to upvote my answer. =)
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@BrianM.Scott But yeah sometimes there are so many doubts in the question that one is not sure what to include in the answer anymore. =)
@WillHunting I’ve an advantage there: after all these years of teaching, I can often guess what the misconceptions are, simply because I’ve seen them so often.
22:04
Perhaps I will ask a new question ...
I cannot find anymore fun or cool vid at youtube anyway ..
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@mick I am not only a JB fan, I am a RB fan as well. =)
@WillHunting RB ?
:)
I like Tina Armstrong and Amy Rose :)
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@mick Rebecca Black.
22:10
Dammit... -30 rep for "User was Removed"
##shakes fist##
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@EdGorcenski Really? I was not a victim!
Obviously someone who had given me 3 upvotes along the way
@WillHunting selena gomez ?
Or perhaps accepted two answers
does removed mean banned?
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22:11
@mick Never heard anything from her...
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@JohanLarsson It means account deleted.
i stick with tina armstrong and amy rose :)
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@EdGorcenski Accepted rep stays even when user is deleted.
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SO if the guy upvotes you and accepts and you get 25, you lose only 10 and keep 15.
22:13
no fans of tina armstrong here ?
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Hey I got -30 as well. WTF!!!
leo
leo
another user was removed?
Just now? Try -40 here.
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HAHAHA.
i lost rep too that way
22:14
-40 for me too
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OMG, my 5k is in danger!!!
<-- -50
hey guys , answer my questions , so i can upvote you !! XD
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@anon HAHAHA, well you don't need any rep, though I gave you plenty. =)))
indeed
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22:15
I don't know why...
lol
MJD
MJD
Who was removed?
because you are in love :)
Why was he removed ?
@WillHunting are you singing wonderwall?
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It might even be multiple users removed.
22:16
@MJD hi !
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@kush I don't even know what that is...
@WillHunting Oasis, I think
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@mick HAHAHA. Let's hope someone is in love with me too. :)))
@Argon yeah just a song. It actually goes but I don't know how
consider a line A on the complex plane and some function f.
22:18
''there are many things that i would like to say to you but i don't know how ''
I don't care that it doesn't tell you what user was removed
I just want to know on what questions the rep was removed.
MJD
MJD
Do badges, say the one for ten upvotes, get revoked?
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I was in love with someone on another site and gave her 2000 rep.
MJD
MJD
If they don't get revoked, do you get another one if the criterion is met a second time?
now take f(A) and f(f(A)). if there are points that intersect A and all those two iteration call them B points.

When do we have B points ?
leo
leo
22:19
is there some easy example of a locally euclidean Hausdorff space that is not second countable?
@EdGorcenski I suspect that The Powers That Be feel that that might give too big a hint as to who was removed.
MJD
MJD
If anyone cared enough it would be easy enough to track.
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@BrianM.Scott Of course, TPTB knows everything!!!
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I was in love with yet another user on another site and gave her 360 rep.
22:20
guess nobody notices but i asked a question here ...
alright guys, off for the night
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@EdGorcenski Good night. See you in your dreams.
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@GarbageCollector Who are you calling honey?
@WillHunting :-)
leo
leo
22:21
@BrianM.Scott What exactly is the long line? The Wikipedia entry says is the product space of yhe first uncountable infinite with $[o,1]$. Don't understand
@leo Do you understand $\omega_1$?
nobody listenes to poor me
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@mick You should just post your question on the main site after thinking carefully.
i cannot think :p
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@mick Then quit math. QED.
leo
leo
22:23
@BrianM.Scott That's the point. I have not read about that stuff. I just reading the Wikipedia page about it
besides i dont get replies there lately :) @WillHunting
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@mick Ah, you need more love then...
@WillHunting QED ? Need more love ? wtf are you talking about ??
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@mick NVM, my words are as deep as the ocean.
Hahahaaa
22:24
@WillHunting you think like justin bieber
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@mick I told you, JB and I are ONE.
i like tina armstrong
apparantly im the only one here
@leo You pretty much need to know a bit about infinite ordinals to get an example.
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@mick apparently
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That is a common misspelling.
22:25
@mick Never heard of her.
@Argon
From dead or alive !
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@mick The movie?
@mick Never heard of that either!
wait i go to youtube again :)
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I like Jessica Biel. I would like to marry someone like her...
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22:29
Wow if I delete my ELU account, someone is gonna lose 2k rep, hahaha.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wiey6A4QTy8&feature=related
tina armstrong !
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@argon Did I tell you my favourite pop song?
@WillHunting no
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leo
leo
@BrianM.Scott It seems this works
22:34
@WillHunting ...Interesting...
$$\sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac{\sin n}{n!} = \sin ( \sin (1)) e^{\cos 1}$$
Argon's cool sum of the day
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@Argon As cool as argon himself...
@WillHunting Way cooler then Argon himself!
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@Argon No way! Only anon can be cooler. =)))
@WillHunting It even has nested sines!!
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By the way I read the book A Beautiful Mind as well a few times.
22:40
Among all nations on the globe, which one more cares about others?
@WillHunting And was it more fantastic each time?
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@Argon The first time is the best of course.
@GarbageCollector Elves
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@Argon Eisengard!
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HAHAHAHA, your stupid video!
22:41
@Argon Oh my ghost!
@leo That’s also much more complicated than the long line.
@WillHunting They are taking the hobbits to Isengard!!
Hahahaaaa
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@GarbageCollector By the way, I know people who have seen ghosts before...
@WillHunting Hmmm.... I did not get the meaning. :-)
you mean justin bieber ?
did justin bieber find a ghost under his bed ? :)
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22:43
@GarbageCollector Never mind, I mean real ghosts. But this is too spooky for you...
@WillHunting OK. H***y :-)
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@GarbageCollector So I think it is better for you to say Oh my God than Oh my ghosts because you don't want to see ghosts.
@WillHunting You have not took asleep?
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@GarbageCollector No.
22:45
who you gonne call
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Mick?
yes ?
@WillHunting: I found a homeless in Chinatown, approaching me and asked me to give him 2 SGD.
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@GarbageCollector Many beggars here are cheats, trust me.
ghostbusters !!!
with the epic car :)
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22:47
@GarbageCollector Some of these beggars may have more money than you, really...
i got something with epic cars today apparantly
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@mick apparently
@WillHunting But he looks too old, he said his age is 58.
@WillHunting that too
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@GarbageCollector Still, they can be cheats.
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22:48
@GarbageCollector I have been cheated many times, so I am telling you now...
i expected more reaction to the ghostbusters ....
@WillHunting You know SingHealth?
@WillHunting OK. Thank you!
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@GarbageCollector No, you go find out yourself. Don't ask me about stuff here as I am not in touch with worldly affairs.
@WillHunting How?
there are no ghosts
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22:50
@Argon They tell you fake stories. People who are really desperate don't tell fake stories. I know they are fake because I see them telling the same fake story over and over again at different locations.
@WillHunting OK. I will wash my clothes. Byeee.
all stories are fake. the rest is called science !!
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For example, there is this woman at a bus stop who will say she fell down. A few years later, she is still there and saying she fell down.
and ghosts are stories !
hehe thats not a lie then
she might fell down many years ago
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SO how can she fall down at the same bus stop every day for years? HAHAHAHA
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22:51
Therefore she is a cheat. QED.
or she has to take the same bus every time :)
@WillHunting QED :)
how can ppl tell ghost stories for every day , yet in years none have been seen ? lol
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Now ghosts are real, but that is not for me to say more about here...
why because its 2012 ?
since halloween ?
or is it religion ?
22:55
Ghosts of Christmas past?
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@mick You may not have seen them, but that does not mean others have not seen them.
@WillHunting well some ppl are on meds
or take drugs
or lie
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What is real?
real is that what does not go away when you stop believing in it
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Isn't life just a dream, and a dream a dream within a dream?
22:57
I don't remember my dreams.
i answered your question
and as a scientist you should know that
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HAHAHA, you don't know what I believe in do you?
why are you laughing ?
user19161
Nothing I just am in the mood to laugh now, it's not at you.
seems you believe in justin bieber and ghosts , probably ufo too

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