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02:05
Proposition:$$\int_0^1\left\lfloor\frac1x\right\rfloor^{-1}~{\rm d}x=\frac{\pi^2}6-1$$
Proof without words:
i saw that floating around the birdsite (not the proof)
Made it just now
Ohhh
Much simpler proof:
02:53
I don’t see it at all. I require words.
@TedShifrin So in that last picture, that's a graph of the function whose integral we want to find.
So the integral asks us for the yellow area.
Now, what's the area of each individual box?
That first one has area $\frac14$, the next has area $(1-\frac13)(\frac12-\frac13)=\frac19$, ...
03:14
Ah.
 
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04:51
For some time, I had the mis-belief that complex numbers are its own application domain, and that anything it can do can be achieved by applying complex arithmetic rules to real numbers.

However, when I scaned through the TOC for the second volume of my calculus textbook, I realized that complex number is a self-consistent in such way that it finds itself applications in a ubiquitous way.

However, instead of settling with it, I instead turn to look for generalizations of complex numbers that are as natural as generalization from real numbers to complex numbers, and that finds itself equal
The issue is that (finite-dimensional) stuff beyond the complex numbers aren't commutative
Like, there's the quaternions
People have tried to come up with "quaternion analysis" and it turns out it has really bad properties coming from the noncommutativity
For example, if you define 'differentiable' as $\lim(f(q+h)-f(q))h^{-1}$ exists - note that we have to say if $h^{-1}$ is multiplied on the right or left - then the only differentiable functions are linear functions $f(q)=cq$
Not even $f(q)=qc$ works
Technically there are infinite-dimensional fields that extend the complex numbers, but those are things like $\Bbb C(x)$ (the set of rational functions with complex coefficients)
Is the following statement correct?: If z(t), a<=t<=b is a contour then z(t) is continuous on [a,b] and z’(t) is piecewise continuous on [a,b].
(a rational function is a ratio of two polynomials)
and then it's basically just complex analysis again
@Koro What do you mean by contour?
Finitely many smooth arcs joined end to end.
Then yeah
'cause you only have to check continuity of z at the joins
04:57
Background: z(t)= u(t)+i v(t) is said to be a differentiable arc if z’(t) is continuous on [a,b]. (my understanding is: it inherently means that z is continuous on [a,b]).
If z' exists then z is continuous.
In addition if z’(t) is non zero on (a,b), then we call it a smooth arc( as we can define unit tangent vector T= z(t)/|z’(t)|, which changes continuously on [a,b]).
Contour= finitely many smooth arcs joined end to end.
Based on this, can’t I say that z’(t) is continuous on [a,b]?
Saying piecewise is fine but isn’t this stronger condition also true?
@AkivaWeinberger
@Koro Can't you do an angle?
Like $z(t)=|t|$
or $|t|+it$
the angle (arc ) is supposed be continuous. And it’s not true for the second example you gave above.
So basically the ubiquity of complex numbers and its analysis is due to the fact of its inenumerablly many nice properties that more general objects don't have?
05:09
All you said was "finitely many smooth arcs joined end to end" @Koro
If $z(t)=|t|+it=\begin{cases}t+it,&t\ge0\\-t+it,&t\le0\end{cases}$ then that's two smooth arcs, isn't it?
Yeah, I have also defined smooth arcs also above.
The smooth arcs are $t+it$ and $-t+it$
@DannyNiu Yeah, basically
It's kinda hard to find one big property that explains all the niceness
You could make an argument for the fact that it's 'cause rotations in 2D that fix the origin are determined by exactly one value
@AkivaWeinberger yes, indeed.
:)
@DannyNiu In 2D, you have lots of "conformal" maps (maps that preserve angles)
namely, if $f'(z)\ne 0$ for $z\in U$, then $f:U\to\Bbb C$ is a conformal map
In 3D and above, you have very few
Thanks a lot @AkivaWeinberger
05:14
You still have some
You have Möbius transformations in any dimension (the n-dimensional generalization of these guys)
as well as rigid motions
but that's it.
No other conformal maps in 3D and higher.
(not counting infinite-dimensional spaces which are weird)
So 2D is just on the boundary between "too little restriction" and "too much restriction"
@AkivaWeinberger Infinite-dimensional polynomial was one of the generalization I thought of. What are the most essential weird properties it has?
Or I abused the terminology?
You mean like a series $a_0+a_1x+a_2x^2+\dotsb$?
Yes.
I don't know super much about them
I took a class on functional analysis, which is basically the study of infinite-dimensional vector spaces
but I didn't do well
You can get injective linear maps from a space to itself that aren't surjective
Then nor would I do too well with these concepts, I'm just a software developer.
05:19
and finite-dimensional vector spaces are isomorphic to their double duals (the dual of the dual) but this isn't always true for infinite-dimensional vector spaces
@DannyNiu It was mainly a matter of me missing a bunch of classes
 
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06:42
hi, if I have f(b) where b is in (c, c+h), then how does the statement lim (h to 0) f(b)=f(c) follow from the continuity of f? I mean, I intuitively get it that the interval length decreases till we have only one point left, but how to formalize it?
@insipidintegrator Write out the epsilon-delta definition of continuity
also, mind your h's and b's
Nah it's right
I mean I'm imagining h and b both depend on some external variable such that the relation always holds
and as that external variable goes to some point h goes to 0 or something like that
06:59
OK, but i think generally it's bad for someone with basic questions about limits to notationally suppress the dependence of things on other things
to the point of, it might be part of why you have such questions about limits in the first place
 
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08:42
@leslietownes for the complete context, I was trying to understand this answer (math.stackexchange.com/a/658935/1062486) and got stuck in the last step
yeah, i'm not a fan of that expository style. i'm not saying it's incorrect, but as exposition for people who might be pondering questions like that, it sucks
what's "it"? my question or their answer?
their answer.
 
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12:12
What is the mistake in this proof
12:59
@AkivaWeinberger I saw this on twitter! It was you.
I mean the birdsite
@nickbros123 not clear why S = R+, not clear why it is needed either
a better way to phrase the beginning of the proof is: Let $\epsilon$ be greater than 0. Given $a$ s.t. $0 \leq a < \epsilon$, blah blah
that way you know which variables you have at your disposition, which ones you're declaring, which ones depend on which
i mentioned this was a problem last time too
you have to properly declare your variables, and have them in the correct order
if you don't do this, later epsilon-delta proofs will obliterate you
also the contradiction of $a\leq 0$ does not imply $a = 0$, it implies $a > 0$
13:31
@shintuku this is wrong since I have shown a is less than, or equal to zero, but i assumed a is greater than or equal to zero. The intersection is only one thing, equal to zero
I agree with the problem with taking S=R+
I will write a new proof, give me a sec
oh, i see i thought you did a proof by contradiction
yeah $a \leq 0$ and $a \geq 0$ implies $a=0$
Ok @shintuku, everything falls into place if i declare a set S = { epsilon, where epsilon greater than zero)
Do u agree
Infimum of S is 0, and a we can show that it's a lower bound of S
if it is its infimum it is by definition a lower bound
the definition of infimum is greatest lower bound
No I'm saying, I can show "a" is a lower bound, since we are given a< epsilon
yeah ok
you say "a" is a lower bound
therefore the set has an infimum
but you don't get that it is 0 yet
13:38
Yeah i was wondering how to show that it is 0
the problem is your definition of S
and the fact you aren't properly declaring your variables
the set S is in fact not equal to R+
let a = 3
what is S?
(3, infinity)
so it is not R+
well the lemma says it is a given that "a " follows that 0≤a<epsilon for all epsilon>0
So a cannot be 3
Let epsilon be 4. Then a can be 2. Therefore S = (2, infinity)
U can't fix epsilon
why not?
the logical statement is: for all epsilon in R, 0 \leq a < epsilon
13:42
@shintuku Because the given thing is that it is true for all epsilon
ok, fine, it should be true for epsilon = 4
if it is true for all epsilon
it should be true for epsilon = 4, 5, 7, 149307523, 1359023760439763
so i can fix epsilon and show that the statement does not hold
Wait, i acknowledged r+ idea was wrong
so what is your definition of S?
S is just set of epsilons such that epsilon greater than 0
so instead, you defined S = R+, instead of showing S = R+
cool, rewrite the proof using that
13:44
You should be asking me why I'm saying infimum is S is 0
I actually don't know how to formally write it out
what would that accomplish? we know the infimum of R+ is 0, because you're defining S = R+
instead of showing it, like you were doing previously
the set of epsilons in R greater than 0 is by definition R+
Ok, @shintuku, thanks
14:15
@nickbros123 btw i posted an example proof higher up, did you see it?
14:54
Could you link it please, might have missed it
 
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17:21
@AkivaWeinberger I don't understand this proof. Your later description seems to reduce this to zeta(2), but I guess that zeta(2) is the nontrivial part.
17:38
@Yai0Phah I'm assuming prior knowledge of that
17:54
$$
\begin{align}
\int_0^1\left\lfloor\frac1x\right\rfloor^{-1}\,\rm {d}x
&=\sum_{k=1}^\infty\overbrace{\ \quad\frac1k\quad\ }^{\left\lfloor\frac1x\right\rfloor^{-1}}\overbrace{\left(\color{#C00}{\frac1k}-\color{#090}{\frac1{k+1}}\right)}^{\mathrm{d}x}\quad\leftarrow x\in\left[\frac1{k+1},\frac1k\right]\\
&=\sum_{k=1}^\infty\left(\color{#C00}{\frac1{k^2}}-\color{#090}{\left(\frac1k-\frac1{k+1}\right)}\right)\\
&=\color{#C00}{\sum_{k=1}^\infty\frac1{k^2}}-\color{#090}{\sum_{k=1}^\infty\left(\frac1k-\frac1{k+1}\right)}\\
@Yai0Phah If that is what you were asking about
Greetings @robjohn
@TedShifrin Good morning
it is still morning, good.
Yes, you have almost a 2-hour cushion!
sometimes I lose track
I understand
18:05
This time of year, the sun is hard to read from inside
at least in our house
@robjohn Darn! I was hoping you'd turn your square green! Grinch? I still like your identicon, anyway. :)
18:30
Sorry about the color. I have the same thing in orange and green. I went with orange this time
"We know everything!" @TedShifrin Seriously though, when a question arises or when something isn't clear, do you search in other books and just figure it out yourself, or where do professors ask questions? Or do you not really have questions that aren't about research?
Yes, I have always looked in books/articles, and yes, when I was still teaching, I would often discuss questions with colleagues (including research-level questions).
Alright, thanks
18:48
Why does the message look like this to me? @robjohn
(the second line in particular)
You're missing some fonts in your computer, @Koro.
not really. This looks fine in safari browser, which I don't like.
The problem comes up in opera browser which I like and this only happens on my macbook.
On Windows, of course there is no problem.
So that browser does not "know" the fonts.
It's clearly not an issue globally with MathJax or with robjohn's exposition.
19:05
it used to months ago; and it does on windows. Not sure what the problem is. And it's not just limited to chat. On main se also, I see boxes instead of some symbols.
@Koro It may be that your computer does not have the proper fonts for the overbrace. $\overbrace{\text{how does this look?}}$
@TedShifrin do you have any other important identities I should take with me to my Linear algebra final tomorrow besides $\langle Ax,y \rangle=\langle x,A^Ty \rangle$?
I updated the browser and still the same issue.
@robjohn that doesn't explain why everything is fine on safari browser.
@Koro It depends on which fonts the browser knows about or uses.
It looks fine in Firefox on MacOS and in Safari on iOS
@CottonHeadedNinnymuggins i don’t know what your course covered. Normal equations and projection matrices? Change of basis formula, of course.
19:11
@robjohn No problem! After all, I hear "Orange is the New Black!" (Yes, rather lame comeback!) :)
No orange allowed!
taken from safari
@Koro that looks good
19:29
We didn’t have a big emphasis on change of basis but if my life depended on it, I could do it. I get to use the textbook during the exam so I’ll probably be able to find what I need
All the best for your exam(s).
Thanks much, same to others out there too ;)
Yes, good luck, Cotton!
19:50
Suppose that B[a,b] is the metric space of all bounded real valued functions on [a,b], a<b with the sup metric. I want to prove that B[a,b] is NOT separable. Let $U=\{1_{\{t\}}: t\in [a,b]\}$. It is plain that U is uncountable. Let D be any dense subset of B[a,b]. Then there exists some $\phi_t\in D$ such that $d(1_{\{t\}}, \phi_t)=\sup | 1_{\{t\}}(x)- \phi_t(x)|<1/2$. Note that since $d(1_{\{t\}},1_{\{t'\}})=1$ for all $t\ne t'$, it follows that the map $g: U\to D$ defined by
$g(1_{\{t\}})= \phi_t$ is 1-1.
whence it follows that $|D|\ge |U|$. Hence, $D$ is uncountable.
So B[a,b] is NOT separable.
The map g uses axiom of choice.
$1_X$ denotes the indicator function of set X.
 
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21:11
@TedShifrin remind me in what context do the negatively indexed terms in the Laurent series vanish, if I'm not making this up
(studying for complex quals, dont remember a single thing :-) )
oh when there are no poles, presumably, as in when the function is entire, perhaps?
21:31
^yes, true to their name, the terms in the Laurent series with negative powers of $z$ are called the singular part
thanks
right, for a pole of degree $m$, the negatively indexed coeffs in the laurent series vanish past the index $-m$, by Cauchy-Goursat.
22:04
I was trying to crack a geometry problem where the final answer was $\sqrt[3]{2}$, however I realized there's no way to do it through purely euclidean geometry. Does this have something to do with the fact that $\sqrt[3]{2}$ is what's called a "non-constructible" number?
if 'purely euclidean geometry' means ruler and compass constructions, or equivalently, intersecting lines and circles constructed from a fixed pair of points, yes
@leslietownes figured. That's why this problem was so annoyingly difficult
23:02
at least, it may have been one of the reasons.
@JoeShmo Entire is asking too much unless the annulus on which you're expanding the Laurent series is $0<|z|<\infty$.
yeah yeah..
holomorphic on a neighborhood (annulus?) of a pole or some order $z_0$
yeah annulus
@Goku A number doesn't have to be constructible with compass and straightedge in order to be the answer to a geometry problem. For example, the side of a cube with volume $2$ is a geometry question.
can't include the singularity itself obvi
@TedShifrin yes, I did manage to solve it using a weird complex plane method, but I wanted to ask if the reason why its impossible with synthetic geometry (compass and straightedge) is because its non-constructible
23:06
ted's observation, which has some merit, is that you might not want to think of even something like 'synthetic geometry' as synonymous with ruler and compass.
ruler and compass is very much its own thing. its an indie nook within whatever kind of geometry.
isnt synthetic geometry some far out left field something or another?
like a very pathological, logical (categorical?) construction of geometry, later giving rise to diff geo etc?
like not the kinda thing you should not be doing sober
cuz youre definitely going to need that third eye
@JoeShmo funny enough, whenever I'm somewhat sleepy, I seem to perform the best at it.
I don't actually know what "synthetic" means, except that it rules out "analytic geometry" (and therefore vectors, I suppose).
suffice it to say that nLab has an entry on the subject
@Goku, word of advice, you're probably wasting your time.
@TedShifrin it also rules out trigonometry. Basically its like you're roleplaying as some ancient Greek geometer/mathematicians and you need to solve a geometry problem without any of the modern tools we have today
Dressing an an ancient Greek geometer is mandatory
@JoeShmo not if I'm having fun with it, that's why I do it
23:19
I think Euclidean geometry is pretty dead, whether you approach it synthetically or analytically
Well in terms of any new research/discovery, yes its dead. But it's still a lot of fun
whats your background?
@JoeShmo just a college student
studying what
comp sci?
@JoeShmo engineering.
Aerospace engineering
23:32
oh interesting
perhaps youre better off sticking to rocket science
I'd just like to build something that doesn't crash every week (The F-35)
burrrrrrrnnnnn
for all the flack that it gets, it's actually an incredible bird
there's really nothing quite like it anywhere in the world
It is, it is super advanced yes. I just hate it
why hate? appreciate
I don't know. It just doesn't impress me whenever I see it in person or online, unlike other jets like the viper or hornets or raptors
It looks ugly too in my opinion
23:35
I actually read something the other week about the ruskis using old soviet non-radar tech to detect flying objects
Not as ugly as its competition X-32 but still not good
a dense array of which basically becoming unavoidable or something
so that basically you still need competent pilots
@JoeShmo what did they use? IRST tracking?
yes!
youre spot on
Yeah, IRST is that one thing that'll detect just about anything. It may not obtain a lock but it'll detect you
23:37
because they fell behind on both radar and stealth tech decades ago
like even before the fall of the ussr
Funny because it was a Soviet scientist behind the theory of stealth
right, and, they have decades of experience with IRSTs, whereas we have none
yes yes
but he only came up with the equations
building it is a whole 'nother ball game
All of their planes, even the older MiG-29s, have IRSTs. Even America's F-22 and F-35 don't have integrated IRST/FLIR
any monkey can do the physics ;-)
the hard part
is enslaving half the world to acquire the critical mass of capital
23:38
the ruskis allowed him to publish his work because it "had no military application and is generally benign and useless"
uh oh
the easiest part is talking shit, @shintuku
ayyyy
@JoeShmo Yeah, I wonder how those genius generals saw no use in the study of how certain geometry shapes deflect radio waves
if anybody enslaved anybody at all, it was decidedly the commies, @shintuku, I'm sure you'd agree
with their one way tickets the good ol' gulag on a crispy Siberian winter day
can't defend stalin, sort of can defend nikita
one might even say that post-stalin ussr was decidedly less goulagy
you could decidedly disappear for expressing an independent opinion
pick your favorite communist country in history: that ^ is a communist invariant.
23:47
eh, depends
Cambodia
Mao's china
Romania
East Germany
North Korea
Albania
Does Catalan count?
23:49
how are you liking Venezuela these days? Hope you like cat meat.
i'm thinking China, though
grows laxer in terms of authoritarianism when it doesn't feel existentially threatened, either by international relations or immediate economic crisis
nice place. surveillance everywhere and biological weapons leaking out of labs
eh, not much worse than the US in that sense
made its fortune of course, by way of the "special economic zones" aka free markets
why should it advocate dogmatic communism, it didn't work. it's doing great using a mixed system
23:51
what its doing at this point is authoritarian capitalism
it kept the authoritarianism from its communist roots, and adopted a free market to power its economy
what exactly are you defending here?
@JoeShmo Corporatism?
heh, don't you recognize a significant difference between china and all the above mentioned examples?
yes, china's economic system is capitalism
and all the participants in the free market, from the chinese side, are tightly supervised by the state, so decidedly, we have something new and interesting there
instead of having eternally failing regulatory entities which repeatedly fail consumers, US-style
we fuse regulation and private entreprise
again, decidedly, why are you defending this state-controlled everything?
23:55
i'm just bantering, why do i need to be defending anyone heh
well you were a moment ago
i'm pointing out noteworthy points, and i think the chinese state does some things pretty nicely
jack ma dared opening his mouth ever so slightly, and found himself in a reeducation camp reaaaaaal quick
all in all, if I understand you correctly, USA: bad. ~China~ Xi Xing Ping: good.
like, centralized investment
isn't that genius
I dont understand what youre talking about.
the the Chinese state is Xi Xing Ping.
23:58
like, the source of all extreme economic shocks, crises, and instabilities in the western world have always been caused by unregulated speculation
what if
youre advocating for capitalist dictatorships? is that it?
we didn't have unregulated speculation anymore
eh? no more crises
fun times
how is that a bad thing
big money cant gamble anymore past dodd frank
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
NO. MORE. CRISES.
SOLD

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