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7:02 PM
ah yeah, if $Y\subseteq X$ is arbitrary and $A,B\subseteq Y$ are disjoint and closed in $Y$, then you can consider the open, hence normal by assumption, subspace $U=X\setminus(\overline{A}\cup\overline{B})$ and the closures of $A$ and $B$ in this space are still disjoint, so you can separate them by neighborhoods in there and then restrict back down to $Y$
 
oh
 
oops, $\cup$ should be $\cap$ (important)
 
If $f:M\rihghtarrow N$ is a surjective submersion then does it follows that there exists for each $p\in N$ a neighborhood $U$ of $p$ and a smooth map $s:U\rightarrow M$ such that $f\circ s=1_{U}$?
$f$ is locally projection, so since $f$ surjective, we can define a smooth map that is locally inclusion, no?
 
If I is a left ideal of R, then IR =I? R is with 1 and not commutative.
I is contained in IR. But why is IR contained in I?
 
@Koro that's definition of ideal
 
7:12 PM
But I is left ideal. So RI=I should be correct.
 
no if it's only a left idel, then IR is bigger than I in general
IR is a two-sided ideal btw
 
But I don't understand why IR=I given I is a left ideal.
 
that's also not true in general
 
@Thorgott thanks, makes perfect sense. It's such an easy of a proof that I wonder why my lecturer never gave it as an exercise.
or should I say, complete sense
 
or regular.
:-)
 
7:15 PM
hereditarily normal sense
@Koro which source says that this is true?
take $R=M_{2\times 2}(\Bbb R)$ $I=R\begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix}$...
 
@LukasHeger Ok thanks. Now assuming that R is commutative, we can say that I= RI=IR, which means that R/IR = R/I. Suppose that I is a maximal ideal. So we have field R/I = R/IR. Now the isomorphism f: R^m --> R^n gives isomorphism f': R^m/IR^m ---> R^n/IR^n, where R^m/IR^m is isomorphic to $R/I\times R/I\times...$ (m-times), i.e., $(R/I)^m$. So we have $(R/I)^m= (R/I)^n$ whence m=n.
 
what do you mean by R=RI=IR, that's only true if R=I and then R/I=0
 
@LukasHeger Actually I am trying to solve an exercise problem and the hint is to use an another exercise from a previous chapter. So I was just trying to figure why the hint makes sense.
@LukasHeger sorry, I meant I=IR=RI.
 
now it's okay
 
I have one more confusion: Suppose that M is a module. Then how would you interpret $M^2$?
 
7:23 PM
$M^2=M\oplus M= M\times M$
 
as $M\times M$ (cartesian product endowed with usual addition and scalar multiplication) or as collection of finite sums $\sum mm'$?
 
no, the latter makes no sense
the first one
this is a bit confusing because an ideal I is a module and for an ideal $I^2$ means something else
I didn't invent the notation
 
drafting a letter to IUPAM now
 
@LukasHeger oh yes!!
thank you!
 
choose the notation $2M$, then :P
 
7:27 PM
Haha. 4/2 M
Should I delete my post and post this as an answer to the linked post? or post it as an answer to my post?
10 mins ago, by Koro
@LukasHeger Ok thanks. Now assuming that R is commutative, we can say that I= RI=IR, which means that R/IR = R/I. Suppose that I is a maximal ideal. So we have field R/I = R/IR. Now the isomorphism f: R^m --> R^n gives isomorphism f': R^m/IR^m ---> R^n/IR^n, where R^m/IR^m is isomorphic to $R/I\times R/I\times...$ (m-times), i.e., $(R/I)^m$. So we have $(R/I)^m= (R/I)^n$ whence m=n.
I think that this answer is different than the rest of the answers there.
 
@Koro I think you should delete it, because it is a duplicate
 
Ok thanks.
gone!
 
your answer is the same as the accepted answer in the linked dupe, except that that you didn't use tensor products, but just stated that an isomorphism $R^m \to R^n$ gives you an isomorphism $(R/I)^m \to (R/I)^n$
tensor products are a quick way to see this
you can show it directly, too
but technically that's still something you need to show
 
I know tensor products (new to this) but I don't see yet how it is a quick way to see the isomorphism.
 
if you tensor an isomorphism with the identity on another module, you get another isomorphism
so you tensor the isomorphism $R^m \to R^n$ with the identity on $R/I$
 
7:34 PM
@LukasHeger This is an exercise in Dummit and Foote that for any ideal I of R, R^m/IR^m is isomorphic to R/IR times R/IR times ... (m -times).
 
okay
 
anyone know where I'd find a copy of euclid's elements that is as untouched as possible
like as close to the original as possible, obviously it's 2000+ years old so i highly doubt such a thing exists
 
oliv, as in, not translated from the original? with no diagrams (the ones we know were often added by authors of translations)?
 
yeah
 
If a function is strictly monotonic increasing after the derivative test for $(-\infty, 0)$ and $(0, \infty)$, does that imply that it's strictly monotonic increasing for $(-\infty, \infty)$?

As an example, $f(x) = x^3$, $f'(x) = 3x^2$, so it's increasing for all $x \in \mathbb{R}$, $x \neq 0$ after the derivative test, but it's actually for all $x \in \mathbb{R}$
 
7:38 PM
ok trying to understand your comment now: Suppose M and N are isomorphic (as left R-modules). And let L be a right R- module, then $L\otimes_R M\simeq L\otimes_R N$?
 
@Obliv start with the digital version here: el.wikisource.org/wiki/…
 
the best english translation is by heath. it is available in a cheap 3 volume dover reprint, which includes a lot of annotation that is fairly clear about what is in the original vs. added.
 
@Koro exactly
and also we have $L \otimes_R (M_1 \oplus M_2) \cong L\otimes_R M_1 \oplus L\otimes M_2$
 
Thanks
 
Ok. Suppose this is true. Then $R/I \otimes R^m\simeq R/I\otimes R^n$.
 
7:40 PM
@Jakobian I've also only seen it recently. I think it's an exercise in Munkres somewhere. The same argument also implies that separated sets can be separated by neighborhood in a completely normal space (that's what I was looking for originally). I think that's actually an iff, too.
 
(for the previous question)
 
also we have $R \otimes_R M \cong M$
 
@Thorgott yes for completely normal space. Here is a proof. :-)
I am trying to understand how $R/I\otimes R^m= (R/I)^m$
 
@Koro right, fair
 
@Obliv τῇ ῾Ελληνικῇ γλώττῃ χρῆσθαι ἐπίστασαι?
τῶν πασῶν γλώττων τὴν Ἑλληνικὴν ἔτι προτιμῶ
 
7:50 PM
@LukasHeger I do not speak greek, but I think there is more trust in understanding a language and reading a text in its original language
 
I see
I personally don't know any modern Greek, only ancient Greek
 
How did you learn it
 
at the university
we even have courses on how to write texts in Ancient Greek and Latin
 
@LukasHeger The derived functor of a composite does not necessarily coincide with the composite of respective derived functors in general, if I remember correctly. There are technical assumptions.
 
some math has happened since euclid, you might want to read at least some modern commentaries that point out gaps or missing case analysis in the original
hartshorne's book is a good resource in english for that
 
7:52 PM
I definitely see value in learning an ancient tongue to better understand our history as humans.. But I would prefer to observe and decipher the original texts in that case.
As a sort of rich art collector lol
@leslietownes When I learned calc1 in high school, I tried to find the original works by leibniz and newton because I thought I'd gain more insight and learn better. Boy was I wrong
 
yeah, you said it. haha
 
@Yai0Phah same assumptions as the Grothendieck SS: enough injectives, first functor maps injectives to acyclics for the second functor
@Obliv if you're studying Latin or Ancient Greek at our unversity, the main focus is on deciphering the original texts
but for better understanding the inner logic of the language, using it actively is a valuable tool
I majored in Ancient Greek before I switched to math
there's just a deeper understanding of the nuances of grammar and vocabulary if you have to form sentences yourself
 
@LukasHeger Yeah that's something I wonder is when we learn ancient languages in modern day, does our usage of the language make sense to those that spoke it back then. The way we communicate is vastly different from even 100+ years ago
 
I forgrt whether this is enough for unbounded derived categories.
 
I was taking a test on poetry/prose/literature from various times and anything before 1900s was so much more archaic
 
7:57 PM
@Yai0Phah certainly is sufficient for bounded derived categories, but yeah not sure about unbounded either
@Obliv of course it depends on how good you are and I'm not sure about the pronounciation. But I think the written sentences by advanced students who have taken three courses on writing in Latin/ ancient Greek would be understandable to those back then
there are very strict rules on only using words and grammatical constructions that are in the literature of a specific time
 
unbounded is subtle i think. convergence of full page spectral sequences are subtle
this is Boardman stuff
 
yeah I was thinking about bounded stuff
 
nobody cares about unbounded stuff unless they have to
like floer homologists. god help them
 
I have no idea what floer homology is
 
me neither lol
 
8:03 PM
When you want to take both derived tensor products and RHom, you need them.
 
Hey balarka do you and ryan still talk about diff geometry
I remember back when I used this site more you guys were always talking about manifolds and stuff
 
havent talked to him in ages
 
I see, he's probably quite busy
 
imagine so
ill send him a dm sometime
 
He was also kind of a troublemaker here lol, banned multiple times
 
8:05 PM
good times
@Yai0Phah good point
 
lol google and stacks don't bring up anything on derived functors of compositions between unbounded derived cats
 
hey @LukasHeger
do you want to learn some symplectic geometry
if yes, this is for you
 
I think that's a bit over my head
and generally I want to learn some symplectic geometry, yeah, but currently I'm too busy
but the ToC looks awesome!
 
planning to power through this
i started learning some of this stuff a few months ago
 
> We recall several results of the microlocal theory of sheaves
 
apparently its very powerful techniques and very recent
 
8:32 PM
so algebraic analysis is useful for geometry after all
at least Kaschiwara-Shapira stack sounds like algebraic analysis lol
 
yes this is algebraic analysis
i think people refer to d modules when they say that but these things are closely related
 
I see
I think if I try to read that paper I should know some classical symplectic geo beforehand
 
all these mentions of algebra and analysis, algebra and geometry, etc., have me wondering, what exactly changes between approaching a subject as is, and approaching it through algebra?
 
that's a really vague and general question
 
algebra is like a language
 
8:36 PM
for algebraic analysis, roughly speaking, functions become sheaves
 
@LukasHeger it is!
 
then we do fourier analysis of sheaves, estimate their supports, etc etc
just like in classical analysis
 
fourier analysis of sheaves lmao
 
thats what the fourier sato transform is
we also take derivatives of sheaves, which is what the microlocalization construction is
 
I mean, there's a book called $\ell$-adic fourier transforms and perverse sheaves
which sounds like a pretty dope book
so this is not the first time I heard about fourier transforms of sheaves
 
8:39 PM
further proof you can just take any two concepts from math, slap them together and find a research area
 
sheafpilled
 
is it neater to work with sheaves?
 
nah
its a bloody mess
 
sheaves are very useful
but that microlocal stuff is very technical
 
but as kashiwara said, “i didn’t invent my theory to be easy”
oh yeah there are things you can do with sheaves which are neat
 
8:42 PM
@shintuku I'm biased, but I'd say algebra is a very powerful und useful language and theory and it has transformed (and in some cases, clarified) some subjects when it was applied to them. Including: (algebraic) geometry, number theory, topology, function theory of severabel variables. But of course, algebra can't solve everything (yet!)
of course, algebra was also invented and expanded through being applied in these subjects
you won't find much algebra in numerical analysis of PDEs probably
not sure if that answers your question somehow
 
i imagine it's nice when you can do a proof as a series of operations or algebraic manipulations
 
I mean, I'm using algebra in a very general sense
but sometimes, algebraic machinery can obscure the underlying geometry
that's not a fault of the algebraic machinery, it's just a fault of blindly trusting it
but algebraization isn't a one-way street, through scheme-theory commutative algebra was geometrified in some sense and when you do homotopical algebra you can transfer intuitions from topology/homotopy theory to algebraic settings
so it's more of a cross-fertilization
 
ohh that certainly sounds nice
 
Hey @Alessandro
 
Hi @Lukas, long time no see
How are you doing?
 
8:55 PM
fine
I've got a nice job as an assistant of postdoc
well, student assistant
but still
 
Nice, where?
 
still Heidelberg
although the postdoc is at Frankfurt
which is a bit complicated
 
So are you moving to Frankfurt? Or how does this work?
 
no, she's moving to Frankfurt, but she still will be in Heidelberg every week
how are you doing?
 
All good thanks
I've been thinking mostly about dynamical systems lately
 
8:59 PM
@user4539917 most people I know, myself included don't care for football
 
no need to apologize
 
wait, are you saying she's a postdoc in Frankfurt or just that she's living there?
 
she's a postdoc, no wait, actually junior professor now, sorry in Frankfurt, was a postdoc in Heidelberg before and still lives in Heidelberg and has an office here
she still has ties to her former research group
oh wait your in Frankfurt, right? @Thor
 
yeah
but I don't know any algebra junior prof here
 
9:09 PM
no wait, what I said wasn't in the right tense
she will start soon as a junior prof in Frankfurt
she's Katharina Hübner, btw :)
 
interesting, didn't know we're getting a new junior prof
 
yeah
maybe you heard about Alexander Schmidt
she was in his working group before
the Schmidt as in Cohomology of Number Fields
 
yeah, I've read some of that
nice
 
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9:38 PM
@LukasHeger Hübner has a PhD student, and I suppose that she is habilitated?
 
no actually
you can basically get the same rights as the habilitated postdocs if you become a Forschungsgruppenleiter(in) (gotta love those German words)
but she has a PhD student, yes
with the junior professor system some postdocs are just skipping habilitation nowadays
 
I heard that German system is extremely competitive.
 
probably
 
9:53 PM
Wonder if they still say no to students trying to get into art school
 
What kind of art?
 
10:31 PM
Does anyone have a reference on what should be covered in an undergrad calc 3 course? I have seen widely varying coverages of topics on syllabi online…it seems like some courses don’t touch divergence, curl at all while others focus on it—is this up to the instructor or just a bad calc 3 course?
 
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