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You know the infected squares puzzle?
It's a lot harder if a cell needs three infected neighbors to become infected, instead of two
you're the only infected square here, akiva
Here are my attempts so far
that url is broken for me
bishops aren't gonna be a lot of use on those boards
01:14
@leslietownes The idea is that the black cells are "infected"; if a square has three infected neighbors (not counting diagonals) it becomes infected
The puzzle is, for each board size, what's the smallest number that need to start out infected such that eventually the whole board becomes infected?
 
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03:36
Sir how to generalize Powers of Matrices in summation notation??
A^n in Sigma Notation??
This question was asked by my sir when we were studying basic maths for physics and Linear Algebra(Vectors and Matrices at JEE level) chapter came..
Edit (A is a square matrix of order m)
Sir please answer to this question for a square matrix of order m.
Do $A^2$ as usual, then $A^3$, and add more summation symbols to go on. Personally, I think this is not a good question.
04:02
$$(A^n)_{ij}=\sum_{(k_1,\dots,k_{n-1})\in\{1\mathbin{..}m\}^{n-1}}A_{ik_1}A_{k_1k_2}\dotsc A_{k_{n-1}j}$$
@KabirMunjal Something like that I guess
for an $m\times m$ matrix
Thanks but I tried till A^4 but after that I was confused a little bit so I asked this q.
(To use LaTeX in chat see here: tinyurl.com/cfqcvpc)
@Ted Shifrin Sir I tried till A^4 but I was confused a little bit.. Thanks for guidance
You should see a pattern as you go from 2 to 3 to 4. With more, you need to things like $k_1, k_2, \dots$ as indices.
Ah, Akiva wrote it out.
Better write $1\le k_1, k_2, \dots k_{n-1}\le m$ ….
04:31
Yeah i saw the pattern . thanks sir
05:41
Do you people recommend attending the academic conference that I'm interested in even if I don't understand the talk almost all?
05:55
@TedShifrin Sir, Is sheldon Axler good book for studying basics. I am currently studying Lang's Introduction to Linear Algebra ?? Or should I prefer to Gilbert Strang??
Just to make sure my understanding is correct: $\Gamma$ function has a meromorphic continuation on $\Bbb C$ with simple poles at $-\Bbb N\cup \{0\}$. $\sin(\pi z/2)$ has simple zero at $0$ so $\Gamma(z)\sin(\pi z/2)$ has a removable singularity at $0$. Since $\Gamma(z)\sin(\pi z/2)$ is analytic on $-1<Re(z)<1$ as a consequence, this conclude the above identity
$$\int_0^\infty\sin(t)t^{z-1}dt = \Gamma(z)\sin\left(\pi{z\over 2}\right)$$
is valid on $-1<Re(z)<1$?
@KabirMunjal Axler is a more advanced book for people who already know the basics. Strang is great, but not good for learning theory/proofs. Of course, I like my own books best.
Shpuld I pursue with Lang??
I think from my argument, I can only say the integral
$$\int_0^\infty\sin(t)t^{z-1}\ dt$$
has an analytic continuation on $-1<Re z<1$. Showing the *identity* holds requires more than that I think. I need to show the integral is holomorphic on that region.
@onepotatotwopotato If it is financially feasible, go and listen and take notes and try to learn a few things from each talk.
06:09
@TedShifrin Thank you for the advice
What area?
in Linear Algebra
currently I am on 4th Chapter..
@KabirMunjal I don’t know that text.
about which??
You said 4th chapter.
My “what area?” Was for potato.
06:14
I mean Linear Mappings
Edit(Ok I got little mistaken)
@TedShifrin Oh, I didn't know that. Area means land or subject field?
Right.
@Ted Shifrin As I solved its exercises but looking for more, so I asked from you about whether I should solve Axler or not..
Text is (Undergraduate Texts In Math :- Serge Lang's Introduction to Linear Algebra)
I don’t know you at all, so cannot advise. Try other books and see.
 
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07:46
2
Q: Show that the identity $\int_0^\infty\sin(t)t^{z-1}\ dt = \Gamma(z)\sin\left(\pi{z\over 2}\right)$ holds on $-1<\operatorname{Re}(z)<1$

one potato two potatoThe question is from Stein complex analysis 6.10(b) (b) Show that the following identity $$\int_0^\infty\sin(t)t^{z-1}\ dt = \Gamma(z)\sin\left(\pi{z\over 2}\right)\quad 0<\operatorname{Re}z<1$$ is valid in the larger strip $-1<\operatorname{Re}z<1$. Since $\Gamma$ has a meromorphic continuatio...

08:18
Have you tried integration by parts?
To show the identity or to show the integral is holomorphic on $z$?
to show holomorphic
No, but it seems the integrand contains $0$ as a singularity does not matter that much. Now I'm thinking $F_{\epsilon} = \int_{\epsilon}^{1/\epsilon} \sin(t)t^{z-1}\ dt$ and letting $\epsilon\to 0$.
My way may not work as one converges for $(0,1)$ and other for $(-1,0)$, but it's worth looking at. However, integrating on $(\epsilon,1/\epsilon)$ might work
08:47
I'm nearly done: if $F(z) = \int_0^\infty\sin(t)t^{z-1}\ dt$,
\begin{align*}
|F(z)-F_\epsilon(z)|& \leq\int_0^\epsilon\sin(t)t^{z-1}\ dt+\int_{1/\epsilon}^\infty\sin(t)t^{z-1}\ dt\\
&\leq\int_0^{\epsilon}t^{x-1}\ dt+\int_{1/\epsilon}^\infty\sin(t)t^{x-1}\ dt\\
\end{align*}
The very last integral is integrable (at least Wolfram says yes) but I don't know how to show.
Once proved, then the $F_\epsilon\to F$ is uniformly convergent.
Did you see my answer?
@robjohn Yes. I just read it. My above chat is trying to prove the second integral $\int_1^\infty\sin(t)t^{z-1}\ dt$ is holomorphic on $Re(z)<1$
(the part I'm stuck)
Where is the problem in that?
I can't see why
$$\int_{1/\epsilon}^\infty\sin(t)t^{x-1}\ dt$$
is integrable so as $\epsilon\to 0$, the integral converges to $0$
we are nowhere near the problem at $t=0$
$\frac{\sin(t)}t$ is a nice and bounded function. $\int_0^1\frac{\sin(t)}t\,t^z\,\mathrm{d}t$ is good on $z\in(-1,1)$.
09:00
Yes I see why $\int_0^1\sin(t)t^{z-1}\ dt$ is holomoprhic on $Re(z)>-1$ the problem I can't understand is why $\int_1^\infty\sin(t)t^{z-1}\ dt$ is holomoprhic on $Re(z)<1$
Ah it's by Dirichlet's test
I think integration by parts (which is essentially Dirichlet) is cleaner
I read the edited solution. Much clearer. Thank you
09:22
Hey @TedShifrin ! I clarified it a little in my question in the main :
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Q: Matrix - exchanging elements

Mary StarI want to show that it holds that $P_sG_k=\tilde{G}_kP_s, \ s\geq k$, where we get $\tilde{G}_k$ from $G_k$ by exchanging two entries $\ell_{j_1,k}$ and $\ell_{j_2,k}$ with $j_1,j_2\neq k$ ($j_1\neq j_2$), that are exchanged also at the permutation $P_s$. Could you give me a hint how to show that...

@TedShifrin I believe that it is rare! It seems to have some very strong implications on the polynomial. The condition has appeared naturally in something I've been looking at, and rather than investigate it myself my advisor told me to find it in the literature (unfortunately so far unsuccessful in finding anything written about this condition), since its sure to have been investigated
 
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10:33
How to find the recurssive for formula for $$int(sinh^-1(x))^n dx ??
$$intf(x)$$ means integral of a function
10:53
In the second part "To prove the converse..." in the line $|x_n - x_0| < \frac{1}{n}$, is the $n$ in $x_n$ and $\frac{1}{n}$ the same or is it just poor use of notation to use $n$ in both the places?
jay
jay
if $a,b$ are positive I can always say $a+b\leq (a^2+b^2)^{1/2}$ right?
 
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12:27
@jay if we square both sides, we get $$a^2+2ab+b^2\le a^2+b^2$$ Does that look right (he asked, expecting the answer: "no.")?
That inequality is the reverse of the triangle inequality (applying the Pythagorean Theorem).
 
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14:15
It's so cold outside today
 
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15:21
Cold and hot at the same time here.
@robjohn if you have time and if it's not too much of a hazard, could you briefly explain how you reasoned when you calculated the Fourier transform of $$h(x,t)=\frac{1}{2\pi}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \Re\{a(k)e^{i(kx-\omega t)}\}\mathrm{d}k.$$ What defining property did you use?
@Thorgott Thank you, but isn't the value for x = 0 undefined there?
$sin(1/0)$
@onepotatotwopotato
Ugh... it is cold in my office. :(
@ILikeMathematics as I said, it extends to a continuous function by defining the value at $0$ to be $0$
I realized that Tychonoff theorem is indeed needed here. I figured out the solution which is furnished as follows: By the given hypothesis, suppose that $X_a$'s are compact for all a except $a\in \{a_1, a_2,...,a_k\}=:A_k$. Now, take any $(y_a)_a\in \Pi_a X_a$. For $a\notin A_k$, $y_a\in X_a\subset X_a$ (i.e. $y_a$ has a neighborhood contained in a compact space). For $a\in A_k$, by local compactness of $X_a$, there exists a compact subspace $C_a\subset X_a$ containing a neighborhood
$U_a$ of $y_a$. It follows that $(y_a)_a\in \color{blue}{\Pi_a V_a}\subset \color{green}{\Pi_a Z_a}$, where
@Jakobian
yup, nice
@Thorgott Oh, thank you
16:09
@Thorgott Thanks.
I put ** ** around Tychonoff theorem but bolding text works on its own free will and it didn't render bold text in my earlier sent message.
$\textbf{Tychonoff theorem}$
The subspace $T=(1,2)\cup (3,4)\cup (5,6)\subset \mathbb R$ is locally compact Hausdorff. I'm interested in 1 pt. compactifying it.
1 pt. compactification exists as T is LCH. But is there any familiar shape to which the compactification shall be homeomorphic to?
@Koro Formatting does not work in multiline messages.
One point compactification of $(1,2)$ is homemorphic to $S^1$, the unit circle in $\mathbb R^2$.
@Koro A wedge of three circles?
16:15
@XanderHenderson Oh I see. Thanks.
@XanderHenderson if there were two open intervals, then the circles shall be touching at exactly one point.
But I am not sure how three circles can be touching at one point.
in general, one-point compactifying a finite topological disjoint union of spaces works by one-point compactifying each summand and then gluing all those compactifications together at the respective point at infinity
2
Again, this is topology, you can deform things.
(warning: the word "finite" is crucial here)
@XanderHenderson what is 1~2~3~4~5~6? Why is it there?
And why can we deform things?
I'll understand deforming once I reach the chapter that discusses it.
16:22
@Koro That is the point at infinity. Very roughly, I am imagining that the interval $(1,2)$ is compactified by gluing a $1$ to the left, a $2$ to the right, and then identifying those two points.
This isn't really the "right" way to think about it, but it works for things like intervals.
Nonetheless, I understood the idea. Thanks a lot @Thorgott @XanderHenderson
So, glue 1 to 2 to make a loop; glue 3 to 4 to make a second loop; and glue 5 to 6 to make a third loop. Then glue those three points together to make a wedge of three circles.
Also, if you don't want to deform your circles, you could imagine them in three dimensions.
the point is that if you remove the point at which the circles touch from Xander's picture, what remains is homeomorphic to the disjoint union of three open intervals
(and that, together with the point being closed and the space being compact, actually forces it to be the one-point compactification)
I thought that add oo to T to get the compactification Z= TU {oo}. Now there is a continuous bijection from Z to the the circles which sends oo to the point of intersection of the circles.
This continuous bijection also happens to have a continuous inverse.
that's what's going on, yeah
16:28
@XanderHenderson Oh my god.
the diagram looks like a character from spongebob.
I believe one possible answer could be: Every continuous function is measurable and maps defined on a countable set are by definition continuous so $f$ is measurable.
@schn If $a$ is real-valued, $h(x,0)=\frac1{4\pi}\int_{-\infty}^\infty a(\xi)\left(e^{i\xi x}+e^{-i\xi x}\right)\mathrm{d}\xi=\frac{\hat a(x)+\hat a(-x)}2$
16:46
"It is I" is correct. "It is me." is wrong.
But still I never heard anyone say "It is I."
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Q: Characterization of pretopological space as a set system

user76284A set system is a pair $(X, \tau)$ where $\tau \subseteq \mathcal{P}(X)$. A topological space is a set system where \begin{align*} &X \in \tau \\ &(\forall a \in \tau)(\forall b \in \tau)(a \cap b \in \tau) \\ &(\forall S \subseteq \tau)(\mathop{\cup} S \in \tau) \end{align*} Is there an analogou...

17:39
If $p(x)$ describes the production cost for $x$ production units, $p'(x)$ is the rate of change of the production cost per unit at $x$ production units, so approximately the production cost for the next production unit/$p(x+1) - p(x)$.

>It's optimal for a company if $p'(x)$ is equal to $\frac{p(x)}{x}$, so the median cost per unit.
Why?
In algebraic topology we study that we have isomorphisms between covering spaces if something happens.
What does isomorphisms mean in this situation? Does it mean homeomorphisms or isomorphisms in $\pi_1$ level?
Anyway found it.
It's just a homeomorphism s.t. the diagram commutes ($p_1=p_2f$)
18:14
Suppose $X$ is path connected and locally path connected and $\tilde{X}$ is path connected where $p:\tilde{X}\to X$ is a covering space then does it imply that $\tilde{X}$ locally path connected?
half of these hypotheses are just obfuscating
covering spaces are local homeomorphisms, can you see why?
Hmm I got it. We don't need path connectedness of $X,\tilde{X}$.
The converse is also true.
the converse depends on your definition of a covering space
Are there any other definitions?
Anyway thanks.
what is your definition?
18:31
The one from Hatcher.
For every point in X we have a evenly covered open nbd.
then the converse isn't true, though it's true if you add the condition that $X$ be path-connected back
(or connected, though that's equivalent for a locally path-connected space anyway)
18:49
I still never understand why Hatcher allows a covering map to be non-surjective.
@TedShifrin Though it is not in Hatcher, We assume that the map is surjective.
Me too, usually :)
@Thorgott Why is it happening? Is it because $p^{-1}(x)$ is a set and is in different $U_\alpha$'s in $\tilde{X}$?
By "is in" I meant intersects
@Thorgott What is the proof of this?
If the covering map isn’t surjective and the base isn’t connected, then you can’t prove anything at all about the base.
@Ted a covering map is a fiber bundle with discrete fibers and I wouldn't require fiber bundles to be surjective
though there's not much harm in either convention as the difference disappears for connected bases
19:02
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Q: Domain is locally path-connected if image of a covering map is locally path-connected.

Haikal YeoShow that if $p:X\rightarrow Y$ is a covering map and $Y$ is locally path-connected, then so is $X$. How do you go about proving this? I can think of two ways of doing this, either by definition of locally path-connected and covering map or by trying to use the lift. I've tried writing out the ...

I never consider the non-surjective case.
In the remark they talked about the converse.
It’s just about local homeomorphism, nothing more. No?
You don’t even need even covering.
for forward direction
And backward?
19:08
I don't know. That's what I'm asking.
Again, assuming surjectivity.
I have a doubt in the part where we prove that for subgroup we have covering. $X$ is PC,LPC, S-LSC. We defined an equivalence relation $[\gamma]\sim[\gamma']$ if $\gamma(1)=\gamma'(1)$ and $[\gamma\ast\gamma'^{-1}]\in H$. I can't prove reflexivity.
$\gamma$ and $\gamma'$ start at base point $x_0$.
So $\gamma\ast\gamma^{-1}$ is a loop at $x_0$. The book said it's the identity element of $H$ that is the constant loop at $x_0$.
So I need to show that this loop is homotopic to the constant loop. I can't show it.
20:01
How about $H_t(s) = \gamma_t*\gamma^{-1}_t$, $0\le t\le 1$. No hypotheses at all. Here $\gamma_t(s)=\gamma(ts)$.
@Koro You need to hang out with a better class of people. :P
Agh. I didn't finish editing. No $s$ in $H_t(s)$.
@Koro I have often said it, but on the phone I usually just say "speaking" so as not to be pedantic. :D
@XanderHenderson Or not hang out with any at all
20:26
@PM2Ring I am archaic with pride!
Part of me prefers "It is I", but I agree that it generally sounds too formal. The linked dupe on that question suggests that French forms like "C'est moi" influenced the modern English tendency towards "It is me".
20:42
you don't get to say 'it is i' unless you say it in a kind of stage accent.
And in some dialects, "It's myself" is popular.
Well, French indirect/direct object pronoun is in fact me :) il me voit. Il me le donne. :D
Certainment! ;)
Indeed, moi, toi, lui … are all first-person nominative “stress” pronouns. I guess you’re referring to the sound, not the actual syntax.
@TedShifrin A bit of both. ;) You'd never say "C'est je".
Tatiana is from Switzerland, but she studied at the Sorbonne. She now lives in New York, but her French accent is still delightful.
20:52
@PM2Ring indeed. Nor would you say PM moi voit or PM voit moi.
Agreed
P.S. I was a French major in college :)
Let $Y$ be a space, $X$ a space that is homotopy equivalent to a point and $f, g : Y \to X$ two continuous maps. Prove that there is a homotopy from $f$ to $g$.
No, you prove it!
@TedShifrin I don't understand how to use the fact that $X$ is homotopy equivalent to a point. Otherwise, this question seems quite easy.
20:55
Without that the question is false!
How is it easy ?
@TedShifrin I don't understand. Can you give me a hint in that direction?
What properties does “is homotopic to” have?
@TedShifrin Two continuous maps $f,g:Y \to X$ are homotopic if there exists a continuous map $F:Y \times [0,1] \to X$ such that $F(y,0)=f(y)$ and $F(y,1)=g(y)$ for all $y \in Y$.
That’s a definition. Yes. I asked for some understanding. Does “equivalence relation” sound familiar?
@TedShifrin Yes, but how do we use equivalence relations?
21:04
Think about what it means for $X$ to be homotopic to a point.
Think pictorially about what that means.
@TedShifrin Understanding? Like a continuous transformation of paths?
Anyone know how to calculate a projected win percentage for a team based on their number of points scored compared to that of the opponents? I’m purely looking at total points scored for each team to calculate a projected win percentage?
oh wait. This is better in the other way. A path of functions
@CottonHeadedNinnymuggins Presumably you expect to win if you score more points?
21:12
Of course, you tend to score less against better opponents. Defense doesn’t show up in just points scored.
@TedShifrin $X$ is homotopy equivalent to a $1$-point space, say $Z=\{c\}$. In other words, there exist $f:X \to Z$ and $g:Z \to X$ such that $g \circ f \simeq \text{id}_X$ and $f \circ g \simeq \text{id}_Z$.
Correct in certain things. I’m only looking at points scored because in fantasy football, I basically have no control over the amount of points my opponent scores
@userunkown Don’t clutter everything up, especially with letters you’re already using.
I could use the current win/loss records of all the teams in the league to calculate a win percentage but some people have scored so many total fantasy points but have almost no wins and I want to take that into account
So if $X$ is homotopic to a point, what does that say about any map $Y\to X$?
Beats me, @Cotton.
21:19
@TedShifrin Is it a single point? I am getting confused.
I think I’ll just use the average points for all the teams and scale a 0.5 win percentage by points/avg so someone averaging 10% more points than the average will have a 55% projected win percentage
A mapping isn’t a point. Give me an example of a space that’s homotopic to a point.
@TedShifrin Sorry, can you provide we an outline of what all we have to prove? I think $\RR^n$ is homotopic to a point.
OK. Let’s even just say $\Bbb R$. Take any map from $Y$ to $\Bbb R$. What map is it homotopic to?
Using Row spaces and Column spaces to prove the Lagrangian multiplier huh?......my spidey senses are tingling and tell me that in my future I'm going to encounter this proof with the use of adjoints instead soemwhere....
21:28
It’s a matter of understanding the tangent space to a constraint manifold. It’s the perp of something.
@TedShifrin I don't know.
I understood that sentence...in the abstract at least.... :)
@userunkown picture $\Bbb R$ as being homotopic to the origin. You can squeeze the whole space continuously to the origin. What does that squeeizing do to the values of the map?
DC This should remind you of section something of chapter 3.
@TedShifrin Is it a contractible?
it is a me, mario
21:34
tangent planes and grdients'
@leslietownes calcio e corpo di testa o gol
@userunkown The space $X$ is contractible. Not the map.
@TedShifrin Hello, I am working on Exercise 2.2.9 of "Multivariable Mathematics" and I was wondering if you could comment on my proof of E.2.2.9(b) and perhaps offer some insight into E.2.2.9(a).

Exercise 2.2.9 asks:
(a) Is it true that all the interior points of $\bar{S}$ are points of $S$?
Is it true if $S$ is open?

At first I believed this to be true but I haven't been able to make much progress; perhaps if it is not true there is a set $S$ whose frontier is "wide" enough so that an entire neigbhorhood centered at one of its points could be completely contained in it but I haven't been
@TedShifrin How does this help?
I didn’t say it did. You threw in the word.
@D.C.theIII it should be "colpo di testa" :)
21:44
grazie. Forza Giallorossi!
@lorenzo I think DC did this exercise a while ago! “Obviously”, a) is false … Try some open subset of $\Bbb R$.
Yea I did.....it's in the notes
@TedShifrin I am no even more confused than before. Can you provide me an outline of all that I need to prove?
You mean do the problem for you, @user. Here’s the major hint. Prove that if $X$ is homotopic to a point, then every map $Y\to X$ is homotopic to a constant msp.
@TedShifrin Does the result now follow from the fact that being homotopic is an equivalence relation?
21:50
Yes.
@TedShifrin I think got the general idea. I just need to fill in the details. Thank you.
You’re welcome.
@TedShifrin thanks for the hint; regarding the proof of part (b), do you think it is fine?
No, sadly.
There are a few issues. $F$ closed makes its complement in $\Bbb R^n$ open, yes. But first, why is there a $\mathbf y$ to start with?
I thought that if $\mathscr{F}(F)$ does not coincide with $F$ it should contain at least one element that is not in $F$ and this element should be in $F^c=(S\setminus F)\cup (S^c\setminus F)$
22:02
Well, there is a subtle mistake at the outset.
@leslie @D.C.theIII Agh!
nice explanation. wasn't expecting the wedge form of lagrange multipliers to be combined with this lack of familiarity with goal of the problem.
is there some big textbook that puts that approach first?
like, before explaining anything about constrained optimization?
If I take $f:(\Omega, F)\rightarrow (\Bbb{R},\mathcal{B}(\Bbb{R}))$ to be a measurable function such that $\int |f| d\mu <\infty$.

Is it then true that $\int f d\mu$ exists?

I would say yes, and my proof would be the following.

Remark that $f=f^+-f^-$, and we know that $f$ is measurable iff $f^+,f^-$ are measurable. So $\int f d\mu=\int f^+ d\mu-\int f^- d\mu<2\int |f| d\mu<\infty$. So I would conclude that $\int fd\mu$ exists. Does this work?
@TedShifrin Is it that $\mathscr{F}(F)$ could be empty?
I am wondering how he solved the most rudimentary calculus questions. He was trying to use the wedge product to avoid solving the algebra problem.
I can't comment on the wedge product because I haven't encountered it yet. But I'm surprised the author knows the wedge product but is uncomfortable with the "basic algebra" part......
22:12
@lorenzo Yes. Your openness claim following is still wrong … open in $S$ Or in $S^c$, but we haven’t really discussed that .
also while talking about it, I like the touch of thinking about the lagrangian equality with constraint equations as similar triangles. Hadn't seen it before. I guess geometry is superior....
Yes, two vectors are parallel iff you get similar triangles!
Geometry is my favorite thing
That will summon leslie!
@D.C.theIII regarding your question on the differentiability of $A^2$ perhaps you'll find my question on the same topic ( math.stackexchange.com/questions/4392596/… ) useful
22:21
Oh I solved it after I got a hint, but there is no answer to accept so it is left in the ether...
@lorenzo You have a sqrt missing in your norm defn. Later on (chap 5) we get to the norm as a linear map (as opposed to the length of a very long vector).
I wish geometry had as much emphasis on in high school/college as does algebra
They’re both important. You would like my linear algebra book — it”s about as geometric as it could be.
Speaking of algebra. While solving a polynomial of 4th degree whose roots, while real, have no closed form, I thought of using the newton-raphson algorithm. But now I'm confused, many iterations do I need to make to get a "good" answer
I'm not doing it physically since I can just code it up but still, I'd like to use a reasonable number of iterations while still getting a reasonably accurate result
The error estimates in Newton are well understood. You basically pick up two decimal places every step.
22:32
So glad I don't have to compute this stuff manually
I recently also joined anime/manga stack exchange. Biggest mistake I've made in a while including all the mistakes I tend to make in mathematics
You can unjoin?
pretty sure that's not allowed, ted
same as posting on main
Can't unjoin, unfortunately
I started a heated debate there in the comments of a controversial anime post
it's like akiva's 'infected' game but in real life with message boards and threads
there's no 'uninfect' in the rule set
And I delved into the worst possible infection too unfortunately
22:41
You mean I can’t disappear in a cloud of dust?
Dragon Ball vs DC/Marvel, to be precise
@TedShifrin is that a naruto reference?
No. Pigpen from Peanuts.
@TedShifrin Dust of kings. (Nebuchadnezzar or maybe Genghis Khan)
Would it hurt to have said yes?
Remember that I was born middle of last century!
22:44
Just kidding
@TedShifrin that in ironically can also mean you're more of a veteran than I am in this field
Hi @robjohn …. Hope you are doing well.
@Goku Which field?
Well, most but I'm talking games and/or TV shows
@TedShifrin Yeah. Just waiting for pens to be pushed.
I know the feeling. Stay vigilant!
What kind of paradox is this? If superman struggles to fight a velociraptor, then is the raptor too strong or is superman just too weak?
22:49
The velociraptor had kryptonite fillings
@Goku typo?
I guess superman becomes infimiman!
@robjohn the only logical answer
@Thorgott where?
the roots of a degree 4 polynomial can always be expressed in a "closed form"
though I loathe that term
Ah, not $/\Bbb R$ necessarily
22:52
@Thorgott well yes that's essentially what I mean. It does have a closed form (probably) but I don't want to look at it because I know what it might look like
I instead got a numerical result with several decimal places
I love how this chat alternates between arguing about random pop culture and themswn switches to solving 4th degree polynomials
Parkour!
Monkey ninjas! Oh, I forgot how it went. Was it SOHCAHTOA or COHSAHTOA?
jk
Meanwhile, me, using SMS abbreviations in a mathematics chat room: “This is fine.”
oh, nobody ever wants to look at the quartic formula
I'm just pointing out it exists
@TedShifrin fair point
@someoneinexistence I don't see you anywhere in Math.SE so then, how come are you here?
23:34
@someoneinexistence You missed the discussion of grammar, both English and French.
and how to talk good on the phone. "It is a me, Mario" is the formal way
@leslietownes I read that every time in an Italian accented voice
@TedShifrin I think I am almost done. Please help me finish. I have doubt in the last line.
@TedShifrin Let $Y$ be a space, $X$ a space that is homotopy equivalent to a point and $f, g:Y \to X$ two continuous
maps.

We argue that if $X$ homotopy equivalent to a point, then any map $h:Y \to X$ is homotopic to a constant map.
Assume that $X$ is homotopy equivalent to a $1$-point space, say $Z=\{c\}$. In other words, there exist $f':X \to Z$ and $g':Z \to X$ such that $$g' \circ f' \simeq \text{id}_X \text{ and } f' \circ g' \simeq \text{id}_Z\, .$$ Define $\widehat{h}=f' \circ h:Y \to Z$. Since $Z$ is a $1$-point space, we have $f'(x)=c$ for every $x \in X$. Now, for all $y \in Y$,
@TedShifrin Is this line correct: Then, by the argument in the previous paragraph, $f,g:Y \to X$ are homtopic to a constant map, say $c:Y \to X$
@Thorgott Can you please check my proof. Here is the question: Let $Y$ be a space, $X$ a space that is homotopy equivalent to a point and $f, g:Y \to X$ two continuous maps. Prove that there is a homotopy from $f$ to $g$.

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