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Yes, but they all treat the point that "the $g_i$ should agree on $f(Z)$ when defined" as self-evident and focus on more difficult issues. But I don't think that claim which everybody takes as self-evident is true
 
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01:14
@Thor OK, tomorrow I'll think about this (and look up my lecture notes from G&P where I taught this). Maybe we have to sheafify it to make it correct.
01:39
my daughter is conducting a tea party. everyone's invited.
the tea is tap water.
Can I have gin in my tea?
It’s past tea time!
i'd love to read an essay about what it is about children and serving tea. she really, really loves this. i don't think she's absorbed this from some external source.
nice, thanks, looking forward to discussing it tomorrow
the addition of gin to teatime might be a way of getting dad involved in this.
Gin goes with cucumber sandwiches.
01:41
not hendrick's though. that would be too much of the same thing.
@Thor I needed this in the proof of the non-compact tubular nbhd thm. How does Hirsch do it?
i just got my copy of aufgaben und lehrsaetze aus der analysis, zweiter band. i'm slowly replacing my lost book collection.
I’ve done Hendricks muddled with cucumber, leslie. It’s great.
i mean, i generally love cucumber. my daughter does too. she generally uses the spanish word for it ("pepino").
in english we also use pepino to refer to something else.
She doesn’t need that.
01:44
i'll try this combination and see what kind of luck i have with it.
So she invites all her dolls and serves them tea and crumpets?
there's some other plant that sometimes gets called pepino.
she mostly serves her mother and the cat. dolls have yet to participate.
it's an exercise in Hirsch
No hints?
02:00
none
the exercise in Hirsch feels like it's wrong to me, though, but I can't prove my counter-example
verbatim, the exercise states "A C1 immersion f:M ~ N which is injective on a closed subset K c M is injective on a neighborhood of K." This is well-known for $K$ compact. If we instead assume that $f\vert_K$ is a topological embedding, I also know this to be true (under even weaker hypothesis, from which I can prove an inverse function theorem even more general than what I've seen any textbook state).
But just injectivity feels insufficient. Consider the projection $\mathbb{R}^2\rightarrow T^2$. This is injective on a line with irrational slope (which is closed), but I don't think it shoul
i'm looking at the following exercise in ross' probability book: "exprimer $P\{X\geq a\}$ grâce à la fonction de répartition de $X$."
i know that $P\{X \leq a\} + P\{X > a\} = 1$. i rewrite it as $P\{X > a\} = 1 - P\{X \leq a\}$.
i don't know about the fonction de reparittion. if that's the cumulative distribution function it would just be 1 - F_X(a) give or take some static about the endpoints
yeah. we're thinking the same thing.
yeah, i was writing that. yes, it's the cumulative distribution function.
so it's $P\{X \geq a \} = 1 - F(a) + P\{X = a\}$. there is no way to get rid of that $P$ in the right hand side, right?
to express it completely with cdfs.
02:15
So is the cumulative distribution function $P(X\lt a)$ or $P(X\le a)$?
the latter.
i don't think so. you could write it as a limit, P(X = a) is the limit of F_X(a) - F_X(b) as b goes to a from below.
@Thor That sounds similar to the spiral picture I mentioned and did in class.
So I'd say $1-P(X\le a)+P(X=a)$
@leslietownes hmm, that's interesting. text before that exercise section mentions limits. i'd probably also express that second term with cdf, for the sake of it.
02:18
And you can get $P(X=a)$ by looking at $P(X\le a)-\sup\limits_{t\lt a}P(X\le t)$
i think i agree with robjohn. :)
so it would be $1 - \sup\limits_{t\lt a}F(a)$.
interesting.
@Thor where is that exercise in Hirsch?
oh i messed up things.
there is no $t$ in the second term haha
sevi: you have the right idea, however.
02:26
@Thor the exercise in my book says proper
oh, why did i write $F(a)$ in there?! it's $F(t)$.
@leslietownes just got your point :)
perfect :)
sign error
:)
meant to edit it actually :)
i should go to bed and get some sleep.
The G&P exercise is more stringent in requirements, but I think properness holds there.
$P\{X \geq a \} = 1 - \sup\limits_{t\lt a}F(t)$ alright, looks ok now.
thanks @leslie and @robjohn!
02:34
as they say in your native language, gute nacht, or bon giorno.
my native language is turkish though :)
or as my daughter would say, buenas noches.
i don't know the turkish. i'll google that.
we say "iyi geceler" :)
iyi geceler :)
teşekkürler, sana da!
02:38
@TedShifrin ok, maybe I looked at an older version and it was fixed since
proper implies that $f\vert_K$ is a top. embedding, so it' s consistent with what I'm saying
Still seems different from the G&P problem.
I’ll try to turn on my brain tomorrow.
it's also different from the claim that Hirsch would actually need to construct tubular neighborhoods for non-closed submanifolds (and he makes no such restriction in the statement of the tubular neighborhood theorem)
but this is not the first time I find one part of this book claiming it follows from another part of the book, just for chasing through the book to reveal that what's actually proven doesn't have sufficient generality
A Generalized function theorem should be a statement of the following sort: If $f\colon M\rightarrow N$ is a smooth map, $X\subseteq M$, $df\vert_x$ is an isomorphism for each $x\in X$, $f\vert_X$ is a topological embedding and <additional hypotheses>, then $f$ maps an open neighborhood of $X$ diffeomorphically onto an open neighborhood of $f(X)$.

The G&P exercise has the additional assumption be that $X$ is a smooth submanifold.

The Hirsch exercise has the additional assumption be that $X$ is closed.
Non-closed? It should be closed but non-compact. Agh.
02:55
non-closed submanifolds ought to have tubular neighborhoods too
they're just not $\varepsilon$-neighborhoods
closed submanifolds are better, of course
I realized only today that it's actually a subtle matter to choose a tubular neighborhood of a closed submanifold such that its disc bundle is closed in the ambient manifold
OK, right.
03:15
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LOL :D
03:52
Suppose that $y_1,y_2$ are linearly independent on interval I and are also solutions of the ODE: $y’’+p(x)y’+q(x)=0$. If $a$ and $b$ are two consecutive zeroes (suppose that a<b) of $y_1$ in $I$ then does there exist a zero of $y_2$ in $(a,b)$?
It is given that p and q are continuous on I.
We can say for sure that the the function $y_1y_2’-y_1’y_2$ never vanishes on $I$.
did you mean to have $q(x)$ or $q(x)y$?
Oh, I meant $q(x)y$.
04:07
It can be concluded that $y_1'(a)y_2(a)$ and $y_1'(b)y_2(b)$ both are non zero and have the same sign.
If $y_2(a)y_2(b)<0$ then we are done. So let's suppose that $y_2(a)$ and $y_2(b)$ are both $>0$.
Also suppose that $y_1'(a)>0$ so that $y_1'(b)>0$..
I am stuck here.
04:22
It can also be said by Rolle's theorem that there is a $c \in (a,b)$ such that $y_1(c)y_2'(c)>0$.
and $y_1'(c)=0$
Or, if I let $g(x):=y_1(x)y_2(x)$ then $g(a)=g(b)=0$ and $g'(x)=y_1'(x)y_2(x)-y_1(x)y_2'(x)$ and for some $d$ in $(a,b)$, we must have $g'(d)=0$
But that's not possible because $y_1,y_2$ are LI ( if we recognise $g$ as a constant multiple of Wronskian of $y_1$ and $y_2$).
I don't know what's going on. :(
This is a clear violation of Rolle's theorem.
04:37
presumably since $y_1(a)=y_1(b) = 0$ (and $y_1(x) \neq 0 $ for $x \in (a,b)$) then $y_1'(a)$ and $y_1'(b)$ must have opposite sign.
it follows that $y_2(a), y_2(b)$ have opposite sign.
@copper.hat Copper: I think this needs not be true.
Also, that does not explain behaviour of g.
if $y_1'(a)>0$ and $y_1'(b)>0$ then there must be another zero of $y_1$ at $c \in (a,b)$.
05:00
@copper.hat how to prove this? :(
draw a picture and it will be clear. since $y'(a)>0$ there is some $a'>a$ (and $a'<b$) such that $y(a')>y(a)=0$ and similarly there is some $b'<b$ (and $b'>a'$) such that $y(b')<y(b) = 0$, now use the intermediate value theorem.
Right. continuity of $y'$ is essential in showing that. Thanks a lot copper.
@Koro any idea about this apparent contradiction?
By IVT, $y(b')y(a')<0\implies y$ vanishes somewhere on $(a',b')$. I got that. Thanks a lot copper.
if $y''$ exists then $y'$ must be continuous.
focus on getting the idea first and then worry about the details.
@copper.hat of course, that's true.
i am good at stating the obvious :-)
05:14
@Koro The derivative has the IVP even if not continuous.
And I got the idea as well. If $y_1'(a)y_1'(b)>0$ then we get a contradiction that $y_1$ vanishes somewhere on $(a,b)$.
(I mean we can replicate the same argument had $y_1'(a)$ and $y_1'(b)$ both been negative.
darboux is very unintuitive to me.
dar who?
es salami
That's also correct, Ted. I somehow missed that and made a wrong statement earlier.
05:17
@Koro if $y$ is a solution then so it $-y$, so you can get rid of that degree of freedom up front.
@copper.hat It’s basically just the argument you were just making, copper.
Increasing at $a$, decreasing at $b$ means a max on the interior of the interval.
Now just shift by a linear function.
apparently some georgians won a football game.
didn't know the soviet republics played american football
College football is still rank prostitution.
05:23
its the pro game lotto
lots of people want it so it must be right seems to be the logic
And then we end up with Herschel Walker running for GA. Senator as a complete Tromp puppet.
i am still gob smacked at how most of the republicans just flipped
yes, they were so principled in the past. what a shocker.
\manchin & sinema are better republicans than most
few are principled, but most used to pay lip service
05:36
@copper.hat yes, of course.
Thanks a lot , copper.
So now, it can be said that between any two consecutive zeroes of $y_1$, there is exactly one zero of $y_2$.
@Koro I wonder why though. :(
huh. earthquake just now?
maybe the house just settled.
06:01
@Koro the same result applies to $y_2$, so if $y_2$ has two consecutive zeros then $y_1$ must have one in between which would be a contradiction.
@copper.hat exactly. :)
But my question now is about the paradox happening while applying Rolle's theorem.
Define $g(x):=y_1(x)y_2(x)$. Then $g(a)=g(b)=0$
So by Rolle's theorem, there is a c in (a,b) such that $g'(c)=0$
But $g'(c)=$ a non zero constant multiple of Wronskian of $y_1, y_2$ at $c$.
But that means that the Wronskian vanishes at $c$.
This is not possible because $y_1, y_2$ are LI on I.
huh? surely there is a sign difference?
The result is that: if $y_1, y_2$ are LI solutions of the ode (mentioned above) then $y_1y_2'-y_2y_1'$ is never zero.
Ohhh my God!!
06:06
mine too
$g'(x)=y_1'(x)y_2(x)\color{red}{+}y_2'(x)y_1(x)$
I wrongly considered minus in place of + marked in Red.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqu132vTl5Y
:D
i make more arithmetic errors than there are symbols on the page.
06:28
I wonder why such mistakes occur.
I mean (fg)’= f’g+g’f but I put minus instead of + on RHS.
@Thorgott Okay is there a reference for that properness and nets condition you mentioned? The thing is that if that limit condition holds then I can show that $f$ actually attains a minimum, which is what I require to show the Kempf-Ness theorem(equivalence of symplectic and algebraic quotients)
06:42
@Koro wrong!
What is the importance of $SL_2(\Bbb R)$?
oh, I’m late.
@love_sodam Is this a socratic question?
Area-preserving …
There's a book $SL_2(\Bbb R)$ by Lang. I wonder why that group is so interesting.
@TedShifrin yup, I figured. :)
Because the group acts on the upper half-plane (hyperbolic space) by isometries and modular groups (number theory) are quotients.
06:57
Okay sanity check: The function $f = -2x + \log(\cosh (x))$ is strictly convex ($f'' = (sech(x))^2$) and is proper (for |x|>>1, it is -2x + |x| - log(2)) but it still does not have a critical point. This works right?
Why no critical point?
tanh(x) = 2 for f'(x) = 0 right
Ah, right.
It looks like $-x$ for large $x$.
07:06
But then as Thorgott claims that if f is proper, it implies $\lim_{|x| \to \infty} f(x) = \infty$ happens then $f$ cannot be proper as it will go to $-\infty$
Thor means absolute value goes to infinity.
I think so too
$x$ is proper!
But this is weird still. I want to show that if $f$ is proper and strictly convex on geodesics it attains a critical point. So reducing to $\Bbb{R}$ essentially proper and strictly convex should imply there is a critical point. But that $f$ is a counterexample
I’m not sure I believe that.
07:14
Oh hold on
That f is not smooth right
Start off asymptotic to $y=x$ at $-\infty$ and go off to infinity like $x^2$.
Or maybe $e^x$.
But e^x is not proper
As $x\to\infty$ it sure is.
I’m describing, not giving a formula.
Oh okay cool
Also what I said was BS, that f is smooth
07:19
Could somebody give some short hint on how to manipulate with the series I obtained for the generating functions here in order to prove they are equal: math.stackexchange.com/q/4353557/823281
Easier counterexample than yours: $x+e^x$
The claim must be based on geometry if it’s right.
I got mine by thinking of the graph!
07:35
Okay so here is what is happening: Let $X \subset \Bbb{P}^n$ be a projective submanifold and let $G$ be a reductive algebraic group action on $X$ and consider a representation of $G$ on $GL(n+1,\Bbb{C})$. Let $K \subset G$ be its maximal compact subgroup.
A point $p \in X$ is said to be polystable under $G$ (Mumford) if $G \cdot \tilde{p}$ is closed where $G$ acts on a lift of $p$ in $\Bbb{C}^{n+1}$ (this is called a linearization of the action to a line bundle (in this case O(1)). Now the Kempf-Ness theorem states the following:
The first and second implications are fine, the only issue is the last one, for which the idea I was asked to think about was convexity on lines + properness of a smooth function and it's relation to critical points
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Hello everyone
Please help me with questions of mine.
 
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Are there any nice theorems of when the foliation of a manifold has the structure of a fiber bundle?
In particular in the one dimensional/codimension one case
 
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Suppose a polynomial P of degree n has n distinct real roots then P′ (the derivative of P) has n−1 distinct real roots. Is this statement false?
For example if polynomial P is as follows
Here P has 5 real and distinct roots then P' has only 2 real and distinct roots
The doubt arose from following question
@LalitTolani The derivative has four distinct roots.
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Q: Prove that $P'$ has $n-1$ distinct real roots

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@LalitTolani An important fact is that if the polynomial has degree $n$ and it has $n$ distinct roots, all of its roots are simple (no repeated roots).
15:01
@robjohn Ah , yes
@robjohn Yes , it's clear now
Silly doubt :-)
not really, you now understand the situation more clearly.
@robjohn One community related question, What should be done if I see a question has duplicate answers
15:52
Herro everybooooody! :D
Can we use the theorem of schwarz in iterative manner ? Say as long as the requirements apply, we can exchange partial derivations even higher than rank "2"
16:08
@LalitTolani If it is truly duplicate, the system will pick it up and flag it. If it is essentially a duplicate, you can leave a comment saying so. However, if it is not a true duplicate, then perhaps the latter answer has better exposition or is easier to understand. If the user has a habit of plagiarism, then you can flag for moderator attention.
@MadSpaces to which theorem are you referring?
Hello Prof.Rob. I am referring to the one where you can exchange partial derivatives safely.
$\partial f^2/\partial x_i*\partial x_j =\partial f^2/\partial x_j*\partial x_i$
If the derivatives satisfy the same conditions that are needed to apply the theorem, then yes.
i have never seen plagiarism but i do think it is fairly common for people to post answers without checking if someone else has posted something similar (particularly if one answer goes up while someone is composing another). there is usually something to recommend both answers, some difference in exposition. even if it looks like noise, it is probably an OK kind of noise.
As i have gussed. Thank you for confirming Prof!
@leslietownes You've not read enough answers ;-)
16:12
this is true.
There have been users who have copied a lot of content.
Sometimes they will change a character or two to keep automated sniffers from picking it up.
That is truly shameful. It is so sad to see people like that engage in science and mathematics. This is not what it should be about.
i guess some of this behavior could be meta-gamed by tweaking the rank in which the platform displays answers. i assume brighter minds than mine have thought about it. and of course one cannot design away that kind of problem.
i tend not to answer at all if i have a feeling that someone else is also likely to answer right away. that is usually also a sign that a question might be a duplicate.
i like a question to sit unanswered for a few days. of course, then there's maybe less of a chance that the asker ever reads the answer.
"Me cries after writing a 6 hour question and putting a bounty and still no one answered it because it is too long"
if each skeleton of a CW complex is a manifold
is the CW complex a manifold?
16:20
@MadSpaces Again, with all due respect to the effort you put into the question, it is, at the end of the day, not a good question for the SE format. Numerous users have explained the problems.
@XanderHenderson I agree.
It is way too long and i most likely could have asked it in a better manner. But anyways :)
16:45
@MadSpaces If no one has answered, you can edit the question to make it better. It would be best if the question remains the same so that if anyone is in the process of writing an answer, they don't have to scrap all their work.
@robjohn Yes Prof. I am going to do that in couple of days if no answer is recieved. ^^
@MadSpaces Result 3 should have f^{-1}; that is, it appears the braces are missing.
Hey, @Ted!
Hi @robjohn!
@robjohn Thanks for the tip! corrected that.
@Ted: its supposed to get to 76° today, 81° tomorrow, and then rain Thursday. The weather has been so weird the last month or so.
@MadSpaces Typos make a question hard to read, and some people stop reading as soon as they get to one.
16:54
Yeah, no climate change.
The climate here has changed so much since I was a kid. Those who think that global warming is bunk must have short memories.
@robjohn I was planning to revist the question these days , i am revising my Analysis notes, when i get to this part i will revisit the question.
@Mad The theorem is that if a function is $C^k$, then you can take partial derivatives up to order $k$ in any order.
@TedShifrin Hello Prof.Ted. Are you referring to that of Schwarz? In our lecture, we have showed it, or say more accurately, stated this theorem for functions of order $k=2$. But it is only logical to be iterative if the conditions apply, as Prof.Rob pointed out to me.
Right. But it generalizes by induction.
I stated the correct hypothesis.
17:00
That is good to know, maybe the proof for $k$ is a bit more complicated or index intensive, thus, we shown it for only order $k=2$.
No, there is no different proof. You apply the result you know repeatedly. If you like, write a general permutation as a product of transpositions.
Oh alright. that makes sense.
Cool :) Good for you for trying to get the details.
@MadSpaces: The authors of MathJax disapprove of using MathJax to add color to text. That is why some of your text extends beyond the standard column bounds.
MathJax can easily extend beyond the HTML bounds.
@TedShifrin Thanks for the motivation Prof! Alot of my fellow students look down upon me for being very rigorous and say i make myself extra work, which is true. It is not easy, but i am not doing it because i am sadistic. I do it because i actually like what i am doing! it is very nice to hear words of encourgement :)
17:05
@MadSpaces there could be a bit of masochism in there ;-)
@robjohn I did not know that! I will keep that in mind when i edit the question and remove the coloring to fix the problem.
@robjohn Oh well, i do not know about that. The possibility is there i guess..
@MadSpaces: There was a time when we used to use MathJax to center images on the page, but the MathJax authors raised such a fuss, that we just leave images left-aligned these days.
@Koro thanks for the correction.
I sometimes message something and then realize what I said was off topic and then delete my message :)
I have difficulty replying to emails also.
Google gives the following definition: (in general use) the enjoyment of an activity that appears to be painful or tedious.

And to this, i say yes. Why don't you enjoy knowing everything to be known about a spesific subject or topic, and not have blurry spots? I do :)
@MadSpaces Studying math requires a bit of masochism. I am not saying that this is a bad thing.
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17:10
The act of torturing oneself is what I understand by masochism and the one who does it is called masochist.
:)
@robjohn I believe studying in General, any topic for that matter, in a good manner, requires that Prof. And as a note, i am not actually a Mathematics student. I am a physics student. But i will eventually get a Bachelor degree in mathematics after i finish my Physics degree. I am intentionally picking out all the mathematic courses that i can pick so i can transfer points later when applying to math department.
@MadSpaces I think it's an awesome thing to go into depth :)
transfer points? what is that ?
@Koro torture has many forms.
@Koro transfer credits
I believe so far, i am well more known in the mathematics department "and for that matter liked" in my university than in my physics department... I have constantly expressed criticisim of the rigor of the physics lectures. And Sadly, flunk Lab four times. Not because i am dumb, but i was not interested and writing pages of already known theoretical results and why my ice did not achieve its theoretical temperature in the laboratory.
@robjohn are they isomorphic to each other upto a multiplicative constant? :P
Ohh, I think transfer credits system was not there at my college.
17:14
I study in Europe, we have the Bologna system of ECTS.
I never understand why is it that when considering surface area, it is considered that the cross product $r_u\times r_v$ is non zero on the surface.
What do these vectors mean? "r_u,r_v"
That's a requirement to make sure your surface is actually $C^1$ smooth.
surface area is subtle, but if r_u times r_v is 0 something goofy is going on.
You want your parametrization to have rank $2$.
17:25
i'm just saying what ted said in more technical terms.
The Jacobian should not vanish
Well, it's not literally a Jacobian determinant (mapping $\Bbb R^2\to\Bbb R^3$).
Suppose that we have a parametrization of a surface $r$ (a map from R^2 to R^3, say) and if $r_u$ and $r_v$ are partial derivatives then the area of the surface is $\int||r_u\times r_v|| du dv$ if $r_u\times r_v$ never vanishes on the surface. :(
@TedShifrin well, to the tangent space.
What is the tangent space? That's the whole issue.
@Koro Forget about surface area. It's a requirement on the parametrization to make sure you have a smooth surface.
17:27
koro the condition prevents there from being goofy crinkles in the surface.
Madspaces: Suppose that $z=f(x,y)$ then you can consider $r(x,y):=(x, y, f(x,y))$
So intuitively speaking: if the cross product is non zero, then we have a small rectangle with normal in the cross product direction.
But if the cross product is zero, then we can't speak of direction of the normal of the tiny rectange.
like i said, goofy crinkles.
Oh. Yea. If the crossproduct is zero, it means the partial derivatives are parallel to each other. Geometrically, that would look as leslie said, crinckly ( i think atleast)
But then who cares about such a rectangle. Why is that rectangle important? I mean since the cross product is zero there anyways, the goofy-ness is taken care of by multiplication by zero.
i'm imagining something where half of a square is mapped to some surface, and the other half of the square is mapped to the same surface. there's gonna be some singularity in there, maybe reflected in r_u x r_v being zero, or not defined, or something. the thing you get out of the integral won't relate to the surface. it will be an artifact of parametrization.
you can still evaluate the integral. i don't think it's a question of making sense of the integral, which is kind of a separate issue. it's a question of what the integral represents.
i should teach math again just so a classroom of people who are very unsure of the drawing abilities of their instructor can hear me say "this classroom is a NO GOOFY CRINKLES ZONE."
our day care has helpfully given us 30 minutes of 'remote learning', a concept with no obvious relation to day care. my daughter is dancing and singing in front of my laptop.
i should film this and blackmail her with it when she is a teenager.
17:37
The government is one step ahead of you, leslie
the song is about a snake going through the woods looking for pieces of his tail. it's really annoying. i think in a classroom environment a kind of conga line or something would form, but it's not working remotely.
@leslietownes I think I need a revision of multiple integrals and Green's theorem etc. Then probably I'll understand more the intricacies of the cross product being non-zero.😬
it's something you want geometrically. changes in parameters u and v should give you changes in different directions on the surface. i'm going to throw myself down a well now because of all the geometry. i can't take it.
@leslietownes wow! getting children used to remote learning is such a post pandemania thing to do at such an early age, no? I'm not saying that's a bad thing, just a new thing
it's a constant adjustment. i suspect that it's driving her a little bit crazy, but it's all she knows. it's hard for me to romanticize my own experiences (i didn't do day care but did do preschool) because i don't remember them. which suggests that maybe everything will be fine.
they're gonna try to go back to in person next week assuming no other staff come down with covid.
17:46
right, right
which is quite the assumption, this week of all weeks.
omnicon appears to be the racing horse breed of super spreaders
does anybody in the chat have it now? i suspect my daughter might, she has a funny cough. but seems otherwise fine. if i've got it this time i am asymptomatic.
@Koro No, you should learn the basics of manifolds. See my lectures :P
@leslietownes My brother, who works in a hospital. Has had it recently. He is fine now. And did not have any "wierd" symptoms.
17:49
i had a week in late 2020 when i had no appetite and stayed in bed all day. but i might just have been bummed out about what was for dinner.
Signs of depression, but i am no doctor. It comes and goes in life such periods.
it's a strange disease, it seems there are basically two outcomes, either you're kinda fine fairly quickly, or it really messes your life up. they will probably need to analyze years of data to figure it all out.
@TedShifrin I thought of it as the space spanned by $r_u$ and $r_v$, which requires them being independent.
yeah, this is taking a toll on mental health
teenage suicides are way up
:(
It is truly, at the begining of Corona, i devoloped Psychosomatic symptoms. And have had health issues since that time, that still presist to this day.
Anyways, nice chatting to you all. I am going to make one last push for one more hour of good Analysisstudy before i end my day. Have a good evening everybody :)
17:53
I had what I thought was a bad flu in November 2019. Some of my friends think it may have been an early case of covid, but I don't think I had any symptoms that would indicate it wasn't simply the flu.
cya pal
@robjohn Of course, but this is circular reasoning. The conditiion we're discussing is the "easy" way to see the vectors are linearly independent. It's not a determinant.
@364539917 Any link to data that suggests this? I actually cannot find anything, and I would wonder why it was happening in teens.
lack of social interaction
@TedShifrin I'll watch them for sure soon. :)
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@copper.hat I think teens are pretty consistent with their social interaction, especially since a large chunk of interaction is on the internet.
i'm finding CDC stuff showing marginal increases in 2019-20 but nothing out of the realm of noise.
@anakhro sorry, no links to actual data. I read about it in the UK news along with teenage stabbing reaching a record high in London
i understand the narrative. i also understand the counter narrative that social interactions might be a driver of the teen suicide rate.
what a jolly day this is turning out to be
I think there is an upwards trend in suicide in general, so it's very hard to link marginal increases with COVID.
@anakhro That is what I have seen with my son, who is essentially locked in his teens.
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