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Sigh
This will take time
Why do we care about outcomes when talking about random variables but we care about events when talking about probabilities? A similar question was already asked on the site, but I am not satisfied with the answers.
I get that $w_2(E \otimes E) = w_1(E)^2 = 0$, where I have cooked up this formula from the splitting principle.
@TedShifrin So your bundle is indeed trivial. I bet you are right that there is an elementary argument.
I'm surprised. I was trying to prove it wasn't.
Hom_C(E,E) + Hom_{bar C}(E, E) = Hom_R(E,E), right?
Don't you need $E\otimes \Bbb C$ on the right?
or everywhere?
00:05
I am thinjkign of E as TCP1
a @Balarka!!
See my questions above, please :)
I am confused. Isn't Hom(E, E) = E^* o E = O(-2) o O(2) which is trivial?
Real hom
not C
We're doing real tangent bundle, not complex.
00:06
Please explain why you think I need that? I thought you were saying that b/c I need a complex structure to say Hom_C
The point is precisely that for line bundles $E\otimes E^*$ is always trivial. I wanted to give an OP an example of a nontrivial example for rank $\ge 2$ (in the real category).
No, I was remembering the usual thing for defining Pontryagin classes by complexifying the bundle and playing that game.
Take $E = \Bbb R \oplus \det(TM)$ with base the real projective space
Tensor product is det(TM) o det(TM) + R^3, with w_2 = w_1^2 =/= 0 in RP^2
Hopefully you can parse my half-assed occasional tex
Whoa. Slow down. $M=\Bbb RP^2$?
But now your homotopy argument is different?
00:09
It is now irrelevant!
The argument was: for S^2, rank >=3 bundles are determined by $w_2$, so that if we show $w_2 = 0$, we see that the bundle is trivial. I was using this to argue that E o E is trivial, for E = TS^2.
Slow down. Where did the $\Bbb R^3$ come from?
Now I am trying to construct a bundle E over a space M so that E o E is non-trivial. It suffices to construct one with a non-trivial characteristic class.
I don't need to know what all the bundles are.
OK, gotcha.
I was trying to do it with $p_1$ and not $w_i$.
That's why I was led to $\tilde G(2,4)$.
I have made a mistake mauybe
Yeah
But I still don't see the trivial rank 3 subbundle.
00:12
Write L for the bundle det(TM). (L + R) o (L + R) = L o L + 2(L o R) + R o R = 2(L o R) + 2R is what I should have written, as the tensor square of a line is trivial
Or rather, 2L + 2R
Yes, that is what I was seeing.
$$1+w_1(L \oplus L) + w_2(L \oplus L) = w(L \oplus L) = w(L)w(L) = (1+w_1(L))^2 = 1+2w_1(L) + w_1(L)^2 = 1 + w_1(L)^2$$
But the 2 kills your $H^1(\Bbb Z_2)$ argument.
So that $w_2(L \oplus L) = w_1(L)^2$
The point is that the tensor product pushes the w_1 stuff upwards in degree
from the whitney sum/product formula w(E + F) = w(E)w(F)
If you're finding this confusing that's 80% my fault, this is a terrible exposition
OK, I see ... and $w_1$ is (mod 2) P.D. to $\Bbb P^1\subset\Bbb P^2$.
Or generates cohomology. Either way.
Interesting.
Thanks.
00:15
It should be direct that $TS^2 \otimes_{\Bbb R} TS^2$ is trivial because the clutching function is $S^1 \to \text{GL}_4(\Bbb R)$, $f(\theta) = R_{2\theta} \otimes R_{2\theta}$. There should be some explicit nullhomotopy.
Ah, that's interesting, a @Balarka. $\pi_1(SO(3))\cong\Bbb Z_2$, and your element is a double.
Yeah, I guess so.
Any thoughts on my attempt at $\tilde G(2,4)$?
Why is it a double?
Oh, I was thinking $R\otimes 1 + 1\otimes R$ or something.
00:17
Ah, yeah that probably works out like magic
Nice
@TedShifrin Hm, I have to look up. Also Mike's more competent at these bundle stuff than me
Me too. But I want to think about it geometrically :P
One really should, when geometry is accessible
I feel like low rank is about geometry, high rank is about algebra, and the stuff in the middle is some horribly non-convex combination of the two
Well, I was meaning curvature geometry. A younger me could do that computation in his head. The present me will need to work.
@BalarkaSen do you know how to prove the reidemeister moves are sufficient
Nope, never thought about it seriously.
It should be some genericity result about immersions $S^1 \times I \to \Bbb R^2$ starting and ending at two equivalent planar diagrams, I suppose
Let me think
00:28
Looks like the proof in Murasagi is about 5 pages
Ahhhh
So recall that two PL knots are equivalently if they can be connected by a finite sequence of "triangle moves" --- the operation that takes a linear triangle in 3-space with one edge along the knot, and replaces that edge with the other two, or the inverse of this operation
It then suffices to show that one triangle move can be done, at the level of diagrams, via the Reidemeister moves
And that sounds like the kind of thing amenable to a fiddly proof
the Reidemeister moves are actually all immersion moves except moves of type I, right? That's the "pinching a self-loop infinitely tight until it vanishes" thing
it feels like these are cusps
01:21
Without Reidemeister move I, both writhe and turning number are invariants
turning number is an invariant for an immersed curve in general which is invariant under isotopy so yeah
excluding move I we get just isotopic moves of immersions
 
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03:26
Hm. If $f : M \to N$ is an immersion with $\dim M = m$, $\dim N = n$, then I can arrange so that $M^k \to N^k$ ($X^k = X \times \cdots \times X$ k-fold product) is transverse to the diagonal $\Delta_N \subset N^k$ (modify so that $f^k \pitchfork \Delta_N$ and then replace $f$ by $f|_{\Delta_M}$, and argue by stability that our new $f^k$ is also transverse to diagonal).
The diagonal has codimension $nk - n$, so the set of $k$-ple points of $f$ manifests as a submanifold of $M^k$ of dimension $mk - (nk - n)$
Except this allows multiplicity on the coordinates, which I don't want. So to find the true set of $k$-ple points, I have to throw out the set of $(k-1)$-ple points.
Hm, this count doesn't feel right.
@BalarkaSen hello
@MikeMiller I agree with you @nbro Mathematical definition is different from what we use in AI, because the AI doesn't needs to follow that crap approach, So, I'd go in favour of what Tensorflow guide has written.
03:42
@AbhasKumarSinha It is not true that math isn't required for artificial intelligence. You can apply AI methods without knowing the details. However, you cannot do research without really knowing math. In my case, I have an intuition behind the mathematical concepts that I need, but I wanted to know more about measure theory to really understand probability theory.
@nbro I mean they are being used in a different way, for example, that random variable thing.
@nbro Agree, you atleast need advanced probability and distribution concepts to be able to read the Journals.
@AbhasKumarSinha I think they are being used inconsistently, in the context of AI, because many people involved in AI do not have a sufficiently good background in math. Often people talk about distributions and they refer to pmf or densities, or maybe they talk about random variables without really knowing it's a measurable function.
What is the difference between AI and ML?
@nbro They have But, they often change the definitions and notations to make things simple for AI, because AI and maths both have different approaches.
@zacts ML is subset of AI
@zacts Machine Learning has more mathematics
@nbro I have not seen any kind of such people.
@nbro If you see good journals, they often have more mathematical skills than mathematicians itself.
@AbhasKumarSinha I've seen it so many times. I've read many ML articles.
03:47
@nbro Please no Arxiv/ViXra XD :)
@AbhasKumarSinha This is completely not true. The usual proofs in ML are relatively easy (and involve only basic calculus and linear algebra) and someone, like me, who's got a background in CS could have potentially written them.
@nbro You haven't read harder proofs yet~!
@AbhasKumarSinha There are many good articles on Arxiv, which is definitely not a synonym for "low-quality".
@nbro Yes, but all Arxiv isn't good.
And?
03:49
@nbro VIXRA is full crap
@AbhasKumarSinha Show me a proof, in the context of machine learning, that is really hard to understand. Please, do not even cite AIXI. I am familiar with it. Probably and AFAIK, it's the machine learning (more specifically, reinforcement learning) concept that involves move mathematical concepts than any other ML concept.
@nbro I don't know much about Reinforcement Learning.
@AbhasKumarSinha Then you don't know much what you're talking about!
@nbro Some things are even harder to prove by real mathematicians that they have to depend on AI.
XD :)
lol, other way round :)
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Q: Can deep networks be trained to prove theorems?

Max Mustermann JuniorAssume we have a large number of proofs in first order predicate calculus. Assume we also have the axioms, corollaries, and theorems in that area of mathematics in that form too. Consider the each proposition that was proved and the body of existing theory surrounding that specific proposition ...

Mathematicians, please Give up, your time is over
@AbhasKumarSinha I hope you're being sarcastic! :)
03:55
Lol, just kidding , please don't take it seriously, we actually need more and more mathematicians in AI, to make better systems to work to develop even better versions of AI
@nbro ...:) XD
heheheeh
04:10
I feel like generically maps between surfaces shouldn't have quadruple points but I don't see how to prove this
can you use the exponential map
@Ultradark Lie Theory?
speaking of the exponential map
wikipeda about wikipedia
@Ultradark It is used in lie theory onlu
differential geometry
(Nevermind that's nonsense, you can have 4-sheeted coverings. Not sure what I was thinking)
@BalarkaSen yrs
@AbhasKumarSinha $xy=1$ if you exponentiate every point on this curve what new function do you get
$\ln(x)\ln(y)=1$
@BalarkaSen tries to come up with an elliptic curve
@SimplyBeautifulArt hi
An immersion from a surface to R^3 will generically have no quadruple (or higher order) points
04:26
$$\Huge\rm\color{red}M\color{blue}e \color{red}r\color{blue}r\color{red}y~ C\color{red}h\color{blue}r\color{red} i\color{blue}s\color{red}t\color{blue}m\color{red}a \color{blue}s\color{red}!$$
But it will general have triple points
Also that I have more ordinal collapsing functions
This multiplicity business of immersions feels harder to deal with than singularities of maps
Boy's surface $\Bbb{RP}^2 \to \Bbb R^3$ has a single triple point, right? At the center of symmetry
I am guessing there should be a way to cancel pairs of triple points.
@BalarkaSen why?
> In geometry, Boy's surface is an immersion of the real projective plane in 3-dimensional space found by Werner Boy in 1901. He discovered it on assignment from David Hilbert to prove that the projective plane could not be immersed in 3-space.
wait what
yeah Hilbert was an idiot
@LeakyNun There is no obvious way to remove triple points. Think of the $xy$, $xz$ and $yz$ planes in $\Bbb R^3$ intersecting at the origin
The triple point is stable under perturbation
(That's exactly what the local model of the triple point of Boy's surface is btw)
How to cancel triple points damnit
04:36
wait what
its even algebraic????!!!!
do you know what the $C_3$-action correspond to?
Like in terms of the polynomial it's cut out by
I have no clue, I don't actually know the polynomial
like I mean why is there a $C_3$-symmetry
wtf am i looking at
Mind the terrible spacing
@Semiclassical an immersion $\Bbb RP^2 \to \Bbb R^3$
04:38
also mind the fact that my set C doesn't use standard set builder notation
:3c but I made an OCF that covers the n-Mahlos very nicely
am I interpreting mathworld.wolfram.com/BoySurface.html correctly? @BalarkaSen
I have no idea what "giving the equations explicitly in terms of the standard form for a nonorientable surface" means
@LeakyNun That probably has a good answer, I am not sure.
mmm, I guess I should also mention that $\pi$ is regular in the last function definition
04:40
It makes sense in light of the fact that the local model for a triple point has $C_3$ symmetry say
Also Morin's surface, halfway model for the sphere eversion, has a $C_4$ symmetry that pops up naturally
@LeakyNun Me neither lol
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A: Why does the real projective plane / Boy surface look like this?

Bob Terrell3 occurs in the usual definition of $RP^2$ as the set of lines in $R^3$. That is, the quotient space of $R^3-0$ that identifies $x\sim cx$ for all nonzero $x\in R^3$ and nonzero real $c$. The homeomorphism $(x_1,x_2,x_3)\to(x_2,x_3,x_1)$ for example induces a threefold symmetry of $RP^2$.

oh what
it just comes from translating the coordinates?? lol
no that can't be right
Why should it be realized by rotations of R^3?
so the triple point is (1,1,1)?
04:41
That's a trash answer
hi @AkivaWeinberger
"F. Apery defines a Boy's Surface as the real zero set of the degree six polynomial
p(x,y,z) = 64 (1 - z)^3 z^3 - 48 (1 - z)^2 z^2 (3x^2 + 3y^2 + 2z^2) + 12 (1 - z) z (27 (x^2 + y^2)^2 - 24 z^2 (x^2 + y^2) + 36 Sqrt(2) y z (y^2 - 3 x^2) + 4z^4) + (9x^2 + 9y^2 - 2z^2) (-81 (x^2 + y^2)^2 - 72 z^2 (x^2 + y^2) + 108 Sqrt(2) x z (x^2 - 3y^2) + 4z^4)"
happy Saturnalia chat
that doesn't come with a map $\Bbb RP^2 \to \Bbb R^3$ :c
there's a few other parametrizations listed on that page
04:45
Who gives a shit about these weird parametrizations anyway
It's just formulas
:o isn't maths all about numbers and formulas /s
This is a good picture
on earth is this
MRI scan?
04:47
These are the slices of the Boy's surface
at different heights
I need a slow motion of that magical moment where a loop became three loops
Yeah goes too fast at the death. You're alternate-merging stuff
i'll see what I can do
huzzah for mathematica and all that
More frame rates:
what on earth
 
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06:01
Take an immersed surface $M$ in $\Bbb R^3$ and make it generic so that you only have transverse double and triple points, locally modelled on two planes in $\Bbb R^3$ intersecting at a line and three planes intersecting at a point. The curves of double points are immersed curves in $M$ which intersect in triplets at the triple points
If there are two connected components of double point curves in $M$, one can tube them up by the following procedure: Consider the configuration $\{z = 0\}, \{y = 1\}, \{y = -1\}$ in $\Bbb R^3$. Simply tube the planes $\{y = 1\}$ and $\{y = -1\}$ togather. The two disjoint lines of double points are appropriately tube thereof
If there are two triple points in $M$, one can run them over similarly; consider $\{z = 0\}, \{y = 0\}, \{x = 1\}, \{x = -1\}$. Tube the planes $\{x = 1\}$ and $\{x = -1\}$ appropriately so that the triple points at $(1, 0, 0)$ and $(-1, 0, 0)$ are removed.
The self intersection locus changes like so
These two procedure comes at the cost of changing the topology of $M$ by attaching a handle.
This does not change the Euler characteristic mod $2$. So operate until you have an immersion of $M$ in $\Bbb R^3$ with a self intersection locus consisting of a single connected immersed curve with either no triple point (in which case my curve's embedded) or a single triple point.
If $M$ is orientable break the immersed curve into embedded loops, the local structure of the immersion along which is $S^1 \times \mathsf{X}$ where $\mathsf{X}$ is literally the letter X, and tube it up to look like $S^1 \times \mathsf{)\,(}$
Eh, scratch the last sentence. I don't actually think that makes sense.
Should go the other way around. If there are no triple points, then I have a big embedded curve on $M$ along which the immersion has double points. If it's orientable, the immersion looks like $S^1 \times \mathsf{X}$ there, in which case tube it up to look like $S^1 \times \mathsf{)\,(}$. If it's not orientable it might look like two Mobius bands intersecting at the center circle but that's also ok because then it's like the mapping torus of $+ \to +$ given by rotating by 180
There is an obvious cylinder which bounds its boundary
And these tubing procedure also leaves Euler characteristic mod 2 invariant, so we have obtained an embedding of $M$ in $\Bbb R^3$, forcing $M$ to be orientable
So if $M$ admits an immersion in $\Bbb R^3$ with no triple points it has to have $\chi \equiv 0 \pmod 2$. $\Bbb{RP}^2$ never admits one since $\chi(\Bbb{RP}^2) = 1$.
06:34
A knot, embedded in 3-space, cannot have the same rigid symmetries as any of the Platonic solids
I think that's actually an iff statement since Klein bottle has $\chi = 0\pmod 2$ and it indeed has an immersion with only double points
@AkivaWeinberger why?
@BalarkaSen is $M$ compact?
@LeakyNun Don't know
I only learned this just now
A proof was not given
@Leaky Closed connected surface
Something about assuming it had two axes of 3-fold symmetry and proving the two axes must be the same
06:39
probably because not that many groups can act on $S^1$ faithfully?
Oh that's an interesting perspective
Yeah that probably works. What groups act on $S^1$ with order 3?
$C_3$
And we can probably assume they're rigid on $S^1$
There's no reason to assume the action on the circle is even non-trivial a priori
@LeakyNun Ah, so one is twice the other and they are the same axis
@MikeMiller I think only the trivial isometry gives a trivial action on the circle
06:43
What you mean to say is that for non-trivial knots; plenty of round knots get fixed by isometries
I'm not sure I understand
(By "round knots" you mean unknots?)
(Or Euclidean circles if you want to be more precise)
 
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08:35
Please see this doubt on analytical geometry
09:17
I think I'm just notationally confusing myself. Consider $\Bbb Z[C_2^2]$ as a $\Bbb{Z}[C_2]$-module.
Now we can identify $\Bbb{Z}[C_2\times C_2]$ with $\Bbb{Z}[x,y]/(x^2-1,y^2-1)$.
@tigre hey it's you again
Hi there :)
where's the confusion?
$\Bbb{Z}[C_2^2]$ gets its $C_2$-module structure via $\sigma(\sigma_0,\sigma_1)=(\sigma\sigma_0,\sigma\sigma_1)$
Oh I was still typing up the setup
So after the identification, writing $C_2=\langle \sigma\rangle/\langle \sigma^2\rangle$, we see that $\sigma$ acts by $xy$ on $\Bbb{Z}[x,y]/(x^2-1,y^2-1)$.
Now, let $\Bbb C^*$ be a $C_2$-module, by complex conjugation
I want to find all maps $\text{hom}_{C_2}(\Bbb{Z}[C_2^2],\Bbb C^*)$
These seem to be determined by where I send $x$ and $xy$, which seems odd
But it may just be notational confusion
Since $$\sigma\cdot 1 = xy,\quad \sigma\cdot y = x,\quad \sigma\cdot x = y,\quad \sigma\cdot xy = 1$$

Where I had previously identified
$$(\sigma^0,\sigma^0)=1,\quad (\sigma^1,\sigma^0)=x,\quad (\sigma^0,\sigma^1)=y,\quad (\sigma^1,\sigma^1)=xy,$$
when moving from $\Bbb{Z}[C_2^2]$ to $\Bbb{Z}[x,y]/(x^2-1,y^2-1)$
where is the confusion?
09:26
Am I correct that the map is determined by wheer $x$ and $xy$ are sent?
If so, there is no confusion
seems reasonable to me
well depends on what you mean by hom
How would you approach determining $\text{Hom}_{C_2}(\Bbb{Z}[C_2^2],\Bbb C^\times)$?
so hom as Z[C_2] modules?
Yep
well then x and xy do generate that module so surely it's determined by them
09:28
Part of what was messing with my brain was that linearity looks very strange, when mapping into a multiplicative group
just get used to it
If you were doing $\Bbb{Z}[x]/(x^2-1)\to\Bbb C^\times$, it is determined by where you send $1$, and you have $\psi(1)=c\in\Bbb C^\times$, and $\psi(a+bx)=ab|c|^2$
not really
$\psi(a+bx) = \psi(a) \psi(bx) = \psi(1)^a \psi(x)^b = \psi(1)^a \overline{\psi(1)}^b$
09:32
Oh
Good call
Thanks :D
I told you it was messing with my head
4 mins ago, by Leaky Nun
just get used to it
I shall
I guess I'm now used to it
:P
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A: Understanding mathematics imprecisely

bryanjSometimes I take solace in: "Young man, in mathematics you don't understand things. You just get used to them." - John von Neumann It seems to me that some of the art is "if-this-then-that" kind of stuff, but there's a whole bunch more that basically comes from the intuition you get from basic...

@skullpatrol true
 
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Every explanation about scaling a 2D vector, or equivalently having a line segment PQ on cartesian plane and then find a point R on the line PQ satisfying PR/PQ = r (fixed given r) starts with that one specific case in the picture. A formula for the coordinates of R is then given for that case.

However, that is also the only case that is covered. The cases whereby the slope is non-positive and the line segment PQ is vertical are not shown to share the same formula. Also, the case of point Q being the head of the vector is not proved.
11:51
> Another way to phrase identity is it is a strictly singular thing and the act of picking out precisely said thing among other things. Then, sameness is when said should be strictly singular thing turns out to have nonzero multiplicity.
 
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I guess I just wanted the generators of that module of homomorphisms, maybe you can answer here @LeakyNun :) math.stackexchange.com/q/3487204/519033
15:17
Twin primes
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Q: Is this equivalent statement of the twin prime conjecture correct?

Shine On You Crazy DiamondFor $k \geq 0$, let $X_k = $ the set of all integers $x\in \Bbb{Z}$ such that: $$ x^{2^k} - 1 = q_1 \cdots q_r, $$ for $r \gt k + 1$ and $q_i$ are each an odd prime. Then $X_k \subset X_{k+1}$ by multiplying by $x^{2^k} + 1$ which is always at least one prime in factor. $$ x \in X_k, y \in X_k ...

It's not a proof, but an equivalent statement
Chinese remaindering again
15:29
@Semiclassical
The math is solid
So are you requiring that $q_i$ are each an odd prime, or that $q_1=3$, $q_2=5$ etc?
Wholly molly, must be xmas. Got 2 upvotes so far
@TedE as stated, any odd primes including duplicates
So that if $x \in X^1$ then $x^{2} - 1 = pq$ is impossible.
In other words, $X$ is the set of all non-solutions to the twin primes problem.
which is always at least one prime in factor.
What does that mean^?
If $x^{2^k} - 1$ is factored as $r \geq k+1$ odd primes, then it's impossible that $x^{2^k} + 1$ is any less than one prime.
in factor
I'm having trouble parsing that
What does 'in factor' mean to you?
15:35
In other words, $x \neq 0$
@TedE what should I change that expression to to meet your reading requirements?
Is this a correct rephrasing? If $x^{2^k}-1$ is factored into a product of $r\geq k+1$ odd primes, then it is impossible that $x^{2^k}+1$ is less than any one of the primes that appear in this factorisation
@ShineOnYouCrazyDiamond I don't know, if I knew, I could parse it obviously lol (and the problem wouldn't exist)
@TedE I changed post for you
Ahh, I don't think it makes sense still
which is always at least one prime in factorization as
It still doesn't make sense to me
15:41
If $x^{2^k} - 1 = q_1 \cdots q_r$ for $r \geq k + 1$
Then clearly $x \neq 0$, correct?
That is true yes
I just don't even know what you're asserting in there
That implies that $x^{2^k} + 1 \gt 1$ so has at least one prime in its factorization
For any such $x$ solving $x^{2^k} - 1 = q_1 \cdots q_r, r \geq k+1$.
The whole idea is to multiply $(x^n - 1)(x^n + 1) = x^{2n} - 1$.
But $n = 2^k$
So $X_k \subset X_{k+1}$
I always knew the Chinese cracked this problem long ago
'by multiplying by $x^{2^k}+1$ which is always at least one prime in factorization as $x\ne 0$'

Should say: Since $x\in X_k$ is nonzero, it follows that $x^{2^k}+1>1$, and hence $x^{2^k}+1$ has at least one prime in its prime factorisation
Or something like that?
I'll change it
@TedE check now
Found a fatal flaw
The $q_i$ aren't distinct so CRT uniqueness of solution might not hold
Well it might be recoverable
$x^{2^k} = 1 \pmod {q_1^{e_1} \cdots q_r^{e_r}}$ such that $\sum e_i \geq k+1$.
And $y^{2^l} = 1 \pmod {q_1^{f_1} \cdots q_r^{f_r}}$ such that $\sum f_i \geq l + 1$.
I want to show that $(xy)^{2^?}$ follows suit
16:20
That's unfortunate, I'll await for the next full proof tomorrow
16:46
It sort of will work because each time $xy$ is not of that form, then $xy \pm 1$ is another twin prime pair
Suppose the twin prime conjecture is false. That is there are only finitely many primes $p, q$ such that $x^2 - 1 = pq$ for some $x \in \Bbb{N}$.

This means that there exists $N \in \Bbb{N}$ such that for all $x \gt N$ we have that $x^2 - 1 = (x - 1)(x+1)$ is necessarily the product of at least $3$ primes, not necc. distinct, primes.

Since $x, y \gt N$ we have $xy \gt N$. Thus the set of all non-solutions to the twin prime problem that are greater than $N$ forms a semigroup. In fact, this semigroup must indeed be $(N, \infty)$ itself by construction, since if $x \in (N, \infty)$ is a s
@Ted E does that make sense?
Kind of obvious so there's nothing there really
17:10
@ShineOnYouCrazyDiamond how much time and effort have you been ploughing into this?
17:22
@Shine: Please make TedE one word or else I get pinged every time!
no more @ ted in general now
Very annoying to the original Ted :D
17:48
Someone help me with my question in chat please? I posted it a few hours ago.
But @TedShifrin, don't you wanna be one of the first to read these great proofs of the twin prime conjecture?
Um ...
Hi, demonic @Alessandro.
17:58
@yh05 I don't understand exactly what your question is.
Merry Christmas
To you too, @Alessandro.
You celebrating by running over innocent pedestrians?
Nah, I haven't touched the car in months
Oh oh ... you're even more dangerous now.
18:02
@yh05: You can draw a picture (in this case with positive slope), but talking about $\overrightarrow{PR} = c\overrightarrow{PQ}$ with $c>0$, $c<0$, etc., is totally general.
 
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Can anyone help me out with the binomial expansion of \frac{2}{7\left(2x+1\right)}+\frac{6}{7\left(x-3\right)}+\frac{3}{\left(x-3\right)^2}, up to x^{2}?
My answer - \frac{1}{3} - \frac{84}{189}x + \frac{693}{567}x^{2}
If you put your math expressions inside dollar signs, it'll typeset for us in MathJax.
The numbers involved look absolutely horrendous. I don't know why you're calling this a binomial expansion. So you want the second-order Taylor polynomial of that rational function at $0$.
it's a sum of three rational functions, each of which can be handled with the binomial expansion
I'll just do my usual expansion $1/(1-x) = 1+x+x^2+\dots$ with appropriate algebra.
I don't think about binomial expansions.
I would need to see the work to find mistakes. Mathematica gives a MUCH simpler answer.
depends for me. yes for 1/(1-x), maybe for 1/(1-x)^2, but probably not for 1/(1-x)^3
Silly, I just cube what I need of the expansion.
Anyhow, the horrible $1/7$'s seem to go away nicely.
Oh, you can simplify your fraction. $\dfrac{84}{189} = \dfrac 49$.
19:38
Here you go - 2/(7(2x+1)) + 6/((x-3)) + 3/((x-3)^2)
And the last fraction is $11/9$. So that's the right answer.
eh. $(1-x)^{-3}=\sum_{k=0}^\infty \binom{-3}{k}(-x)^k = \sum_{k=0}^\infty \binom{k+4}{k} x^k$ isn't so bad
assuming I've done it right, of course
@Justin: Your "here you go" is not helpful.
hmm, I don't think I'm remembering it right
I'm ignoring you :P
19:40
w/e
@TedShifrin I'm looking for an elementary analytic geometry textbook with complete proofs.
@TedShifrin Oh... nvm then. My bad.
Anyhow, your horrendous fractions simplify and your answer agrees with Mathematica, so I guess I don't need to see your work or do it myself.
i don't really know how to type in fractions here. I'm sorry for the mess.
but thx anyway for the help
I always forget how to do negative binomial coefficients in a simple way
19:43
I think you just do the usual thing, @Semiclassic.
Your original stuff was fine, @Justin, just missing the dollar signs enclosing it.
ah, figured out where i was being silly
$\binom{-3}k = \frac{(-3)(-3-1)\dots (-3-k+1)}{k!}$, no, @Semiclassic?
^ like this?
Just don't put the up to in dollar signs, @Justin.
19:45
which, once you cancel off the minus signs from (-x)^k, gives $\binom{k+2}{k}=\binom{k+2}{2}=\frac12 (k+2)(k+1)$
@TedShifrin oh right... :P
oops
$\frac{2}{7\left(2x+1\right)}+\frac{6}{7\left(x-3\right)}+\frac{3}{\left(x-3\right)^2}$, up to $x^{2}$?
My answer - $\frac{1}{3} - \frac{84}{189}x + \frac{693}{567}x^{2}$
^ this should do it...
There you go :)
Anyhow, the way I would do it is not using binomial expansions, because that's too much for me :P
it really does depend on how simple it is tbh
I like doing everything with one approach, the one I use for Laurent series in general.
this particular instance is simple enough that binomial expansion would definitely be overkill
19:48
In all my 40 years of teaching, I never taught the binomial expansion with negative exponents.
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