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7:12 PM
guys
what would be an example of a sequencce such that the absolute of its ratio over its successive term is less than one but does not converge to 0?
 
$a_n=\frac{n+1}{n}$ has a ratio of $\frac{n(n+2)}{(n+1)^2}=\frac{n^2+2n}{n^2+2n+1}$ and converges to $1$, if I understand what you're looking for correctly.
 
@taritgoswami Theory of Groups, Rings, and Fields
 
7:28 PM
Hi @ÍgjøgnumMeg
 
Hey @AlessandroCodenotti and @ÍgjøgnumMeg
 
Hey @Alessandro @Perturbative
 
Hi @Perturbative
 
@AlessandroCodenotti How's AG going?
 
It's pretty hard
 
7:35 PM
Hi demonic @Alessandro, @Perturb, @ÍgjøgnumMeg
 
I'll probably survive though
Hi @Ted
 
Hey @Ted
 
Hey @Ted
 
shakes the room to see if it's alive
 
Aaaah!
Hey @Ted.
 
7:38 PM
Heya @Fargle
Hmm, the room is still dead.
 
Well, I just woke up---I don't have any inane questions yet.
 
Maybe we're all studying instead of procrastinating in chat, an extremely rare occurrence
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But it's almost 3 PM, @Fargle.
Yes, @Alessandro, I would find that unrecognizable behavior.
 
Dear mathematicians, can you please help me fine tune the symbolic translation of UDHR Article 1? "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood." My draft version:

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👥 = {👤 | 🧠, 👼🤔👿}; 👤∼👤: 👬👻
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In Fargle's defence, I woke up at 5pm today
 
7:44 PM
@TedShifrin Only almost 2 here. And I'm finished with school, so I'm gladly gonna have some catch-up sleep.
 
LOL, you could use the earthquake as an excuse, @Fargle.
 
@TedShifrin That was just slightly too far from me to feel it.
I heard about it from some east TN friends, though.
 
I was merely offering you an alternative excuse ;)
 
@TedShifrin Midterms are upon us
 
Oh, in the US it's final exams now.
 
7:48 PM
Even worse then!
 
Not for me. gloats
 
yeah doing 5 math modules is stressful LOL
 
Left or right modules?
 
Nothing, just being a goober.
 
7:52 PM
oh haha
 
You've been around Demonark and others in here too long, @Fargle.
 
Perhaps you forget how silly I've always been.
 
It's true — my memory isn't what it once was.
 
Hey, while I'm thinking about it, do you still have your Guillemin-Pollack errata? The one that was online got taken down.
 
No, my webpage got moved. Go to the new link in my profile and you'll get there.
UGA did all this without telling/warning me, but I think I've got everything important there now.
 
7:59 PM
Ah, okay, thank you.
 
Let me know if you have issues. Seriously.
 
It's there.
 
8:19 PM
"An open subset $R$ of $X$ is regular open if $(\overline{R})^\circ = R$. The collection of all regular open sets is denoted $RO(X)$. It is well known that $RO(X)$ is a complete Boolean algebra under suitable definitions of sup and inf." What are those suitable definitions?
 
How about interior of the closure of the union resp intersection
 
Hi chat
 
@MikeMiller This seems to work as far as I can tell
 
tfw you have code which looks like it's working...until you check the results by hand
 
8:39 PM
guys
assuming f is twice differentiable in R
and that there exists a c in (0,1)
such that f(0)=f(1)=f(c)
how do that prove that there exists a z in (0,1) such that f''(z)=0?
 
@mathsresearcher Well, suppose you didn't have f(c) in there. What would you be aiming to prove instead?
 
if I didn't have f(c)
could I consider rolles theorem?
to show that there exists an x in (0,1) such that f'(x)=0
 
?
then because the derivative of a constant is 0 and f'(x)=0 and by assumption the function is twice differentiable
f''(x)=0 for x in (0,1)
?
 
Now, you could still do that in fact: you do indeed still have f(0)=f(1), so the conditions of Rolle's theorem still apply
however, you can actually do more than that here.
Can you see another way to use Rolle's theorem in the context of this problem?
 
8:53 PM
is there a way to combine taylors theorem
with rolles theorem?
 
dunno. but that's not what you should be doing
To put it more suggestively: Rolle's theorem requires a pair of equal values. What pairs of equal values do you have here?
 
f(0) and f(1)
and f(0) and f(c)
and f(c)=f(1)
 
Right. What happens if you apply Rolle's theorem to each of those situations? You've already addressed the first, but you still have the other two.
 
9:07 PM
f'(x)= 0 for some x in (0,1), (c,1) and (0,c)
@Semiclassical
so could I say that
ohhh
could i use the mean value theorem
 
Isa
@Palimondo what does the 🤰 mean ? And why to translate using emojis?
 
9:55 PM
Given a homeomorphism $f:(0,1)\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$, is it possible to construct $f$ such that $f(R)$ covers countably infinitely many natural numbers, where $R$ is an arbitrary subset of $(0,1)$? My instincts tell me that no, such a construction isn't possible, because $\mathbb{N}$ is not dense in $\mathbb{R}$, but I'm kind of stumbling on justifying it to myself.
 
@mathsresearcher it's helpful to denote the x's you get in (0,c) and (c,1) as a and b respectively
so then you've got: f' is differentiable and f'(a)=f'(b)=0 where 0<a<c<b<1
 
@AlessandroCodenotti Hah, I have talked with someone who basically said anything with functions is geometry.
 
As for how to use it: Note that Rolle's is itself a special case of the mean value theorem.
@PaulPlummer what?
does not compute
 
Yah basically what I said
 
10:28 PM
@Rithaniel So get your quantifiers straight. Of course, given $f$, there are lots of choices of $R$ that work. But you seem to want to be given $R$ and find an $f$. (So this is badly stated.) If $R$ is a finite set, it can't work. So what is your question, really?
 
10:53 PM
Okay, the idea is that we construct $f$ to be a homeomorphism with the property that any (let's say uncountably infinite) $R$ that we can possibly select will necessarily have an image under $f$ which contains countably infinitely many natural numbers.
(Is that more clear?)
 
Slightly. So you start with an arbitrary uncountable set $R$. Actually, I think all you need is a countable (infinite) set $R$. Then you wish to construct a homeomorphism $f$ so that $f(R)$ contains infinitely many natural numbers.
 
Yeah, it needs to be any uncountable subset. A countable subset would never work.
 
Huh?
Oh, so $R$ isn't fixed.
Still murky.
 
Correct, it isn't fixed.
 
You want a single $f$ so that for every uncountable subset $R$, the set $f(R)$ contains infinitely many natural numbers.
 
10:56 PM
Yes, (I need practice explaining things, still, obviously)
 
I'm not sure I believe this.
Suppose you start with any homeomorphism $f$ at all. Can't you then create an uncountable $R$ so that $f(R)$ contains no natural number?
 
guys
suppose f, g are differentiable
 
hi maths
 
hi ted!
I have a question
 
I figured :)
 
10:58 PM
Yeah, I don't think it's possible to create such a function, personally. I was working to justify it in my mind, and having difficulty.
 
@Rithaniel: So do the exercise I just suggested up there.
 
suppose f,g are differentiable on (a,b) and suppose g'(x)=f'(x) for all x in (a,b). How do I prove that there is a c in the reals such that g(x)=f(x)+c
?
 
@maths: What can you tell me about the function $f-g$?
 
f(x)-g(x) has to be continous
 
Ah, simple.
 
11:00 PM
Sorry. I have to leave for a bit. I'll be back.
 
alright
@Rithaniel can you help?
 
(I entirely forgot about continuous inverse. That's embarrassing) sure, lemme look. I might be slow to respond, though. On phone, currently.
 
alright
 
Ted pointed you down the right path. Think about $f'-g'$, perhaps.
 
f-g must be continous
i think i figured it out
I taylor expand
on f-g
am I right?
 
11:05 PM
You could just differentiate, right?
 
it's supposed to be an 5 mark question
so it shouldn't be that simple
but yeah, I thought of that
I used use either the mean value theorem, intermediate value, rolles theorem or taylors theorem
i should use*
 
11:17 PM
Hi @PaulPlummer
 
11:27 PM
i guess I could say that since h(x)=f(x)-g(x) is continous then h'(x)=0 so there must exist a constant c such that h(x)=0
 
Hey @BalarkaSen
 
@PaulPlummer I had been looking into small cancellation theory as digression a tiny bit
 
Cool, it is nice stuff
Are you mostly focusing on C' (maybe a bit of C) small cancellation? @BalarkaSen
 
11:46 PM
Yeah, C'. I think I have finally understood why the C'(1/6) condition is so important: in the van Kampen diagram (at least I think that's what they are called? Lyndon & Schupp just calls them "maps") of such a group, the regions will have at most 1/6-th of overlap compared to the length of the boundary of either regions. So the tightest such thing you can imagine is a "hexagonalation" of an open subset of the plane, where any two hexagonal regions share a side, exactly 1/6-th of the boundary.
Pass to the dual graph, which is a triangulation, for ease. If you take the boundary curve of the triangulated region, the total curvature around that is exactly $2\pi$.
At each vertex $v$ of the boundary curve, the interior angle is $(d(v) - 1) \cdot 2\pi/6$ where $d(v)$ is the degree of $v$
The curvature at $v$ is $\pi$ minus that, which is $(4 - d(v)) \cdot 2\pi/6$.
Sum of that over all boundary vertices is the total curvature, which leads us to $\sum_{v \in \partial D} (4 - d(v)) = 6$
But since this is the tightest such scenario, for the van Kampen diagram of a C'(1/6) group this is going to be $\sum_{v \in \partial D} (4 - d(v)) \geq 6$
Intuitively speaking, at least. They arrive at this formula through much manipulation, but this is clearly some kind of curvature restriction on the group
 
yah that is basically why 1/6 is the tipping point. Are you reading Lyndon and Schupp? And they are called van Kampen diagrams.
 
And in retrospect this becomes obvious as in the dumbest case you have the hexagonal tiling of the plane; if degree of each face is more than 6 ('cuz in C'(1/6) you demand the pieces have length proportion < 1/6 not <= 1/6), the mental picture is that of regular $n$-gons tiling $\Bbb H^2$, for $n > 6$
The thingy has to be negatively curved
@PaulPlummer Yeah I am
 
Let's say I have two commutative rings $A, B$ and a ring epimorphism $\phi : A \to B$. this induces a continuous map $\phi^* : \operatorname{Spec}(B) \to \operatorname{Spec}(A)$. Choose $x \in \phi^{-1}(f)$, how can I show that for $\mathfrak{q} \in \overline{V(\{x\})}$ there exists a $\mathfrak{p} \in \overline{V(\{f\})}$ such that $\mathfrak{q} = \phi^{-1}(\mathfrak{p})$?
That line above is meant to denote complement not closure
 
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