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12:02 AM
@anakhro Are you a professor?
 
@CaptainAmerica16 I wish. ;)
I'd love to teach, but alas! no.
lowly math enthusiast.
 
Oh, lol. It seemed like it from your responses.
 
And not anywhere near smart enough to be a professor.
 
I'm a math enthusiast too.
 
Seems I am in good company, then. :)
 
12:03 AM
Coulda fooled me.
Yeah, I'm kind of a noob though. I'm still taking calc, but I study analysis and some other stuff in my free time.
 
That's good!
That was where I was 5ish years ago.
In calculus, reading a book on topology. :)
 
My end goal is topology. If I decide to go to grad school, that's the area I want to study in.
I wanted to learn topology, but Ted said it wasn't a good starting place.
So now I'm doing analysis from Spivak :P
 
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A: Describing the group defined by $\langle a,b \mid (ab)^2=(abaa)^2=(abbb)^2=e\rangle.$

ShaunBy @user2345215's comment, the group $G$, defined by the presentation in question, is also defined up to isomorphism by $$\langle a, y\mid y^2, y^{-1}a^2=a^{-2}y\rangle,$$ where $y=ab$. This presentation is equivalent to $$\langle a, y\mid y^2, y^{-1}a^2y=a^{-2}\rangle,$$ which defines the gr...

 
Might I momentarily go against Ted and say it is absolutely a great place to start!
But you have to start with the right motivation for it!
 
This was also shared in the Group Theory chatroom.
 
12:08 AM
Oh yeah?
 
@CaptainAmerica16 try buying a copy of Mendelson's Introduction to Topology.
It's a short little book.
And relatively cheap.
It's lovely because it begins with metric spaces, and then generalizes them into topological spaces. Metric spaces are the subject of analysis.
 
It's going on my Christmas list!
 
So the first section is on metric spaces (so you learn the pre requisite knowledge in analysis) and then you move on to topology.
It's a very well written book, in my opinion.
 
So very introductory then.
 
Well it is an introduction after all ;)
 
12:12 AM
I always worry about getting confused and moving on with incorrect notions, which is why I heeded Ted's advice. Is this the book you started with>
Oh, yeah. I missed that XD
 
This is indeed the book I started with. I read it several times in first year and slowly understood it over the following two years.
It's got a lot packed into it, but it is not a bad read!
 
Sounds good. Thanks for the recommendation :D
 
It will just be imperative you progress with it slowly.
So as not to get confused.
But being confused is part of the joy in mathematics. Because then you get to figure something out!
 
Lol, I doubt I could move at any other pace with my current knowledge.
 
Well then I guess you are set. :)
 
12:14 AM
100% agree, it's the best when I figure out a proof after thinking over it for a few days.
 
Yeah, and that's the goal. To be able to explore mathematical reality without hand holding!
But that comes after some time.
I am still at the stage where I need some hand holding.
 
What are you studying at the moment?
 
Hey fellows of the mathematical sciences
 
I am studying what amounts to differential geometry.
Hi @Ultradark
 
@Ultradark Wazzup
@anakhro Oh cool!
Ted, you're back?
 
12:23 AM
Who?
I can't do the final steps of my cooking for another hour.
 
What are you cooking, Ted?
 
You follow cooking steps?
 
I prepped stuff, but the final cooking has to happen close to eating time, CaptainAmerica.
 
I just throw stuff in a pot and it tastes good. I'm not good at cooking, but, I'm like good at cooking.
 
chicken kebabs with fun marinade, various veggies, brown basmati rice pilaf
 
12:24 AM
Nice, that sounds fancy.
 
CaptainAmerica, "good" is in the mouth of the beholder
 
We're having hamburger helper for dinner.
I mean, I would rather eat what you're cooking for dinner by "good".
Is it just me, or do I use too many commas in my sentences?
 
@CaptainAmerica16 This one had one comma too many.
 
It's fine though.
It's not obscene or anything.
 
@TedShifrin Oh, I just realized your good comment was directed at my cooking.
I'm trying to get better at writing.
 
12:27 AM
Yes, it was directed at throwing things in pots.
 
hehe
I've only recently realized I've been miss-pelling exercise for years.
 
you mean misspelling?
 
oh my gosh
I should never have taken AP English.
I might just opt-out of the exam.
 
Hi, I could really do with some feedback on my answer linked to above. What d'you think of it?
Please?
 
Shaun, if "above" is several pages of scrolling, I'm not gonna go looking. But maybe others will.
 
12:31 AM
Ted, do you watch Marvel movies?
 
nope
 
Dang, I was going to ask if you saw the trailer for Avengers 4. It's intense.
 
@CaptainAmerica16 is this you or your stress talking?
 
@LeakyNun Probably the stress. I haven't had a good night of sleep in about 3 days.
 
o.o
 
12:35 AM
Tomorrow is the grand opening of an aquaponics lab I'm building fish feeders for. I have to give a presentation and I'm not looking forward to it.
 
one year afterward you won't even remember having to give the presentation
 
Besides that, my friends' grandmother passed away and I have to go to the funeral. I just haven't been feeling good.
@LeakyNun Lol, I know. I'm terrible at public speaking though.
 
You only improve with practice, CaptainAmerica.
When I was your age, I was horrid at it ... and I turned into a competent teacher.
 
ok
it's time for me to eat some soup
a nice break from doing nothing
 
People keep telling me to join the debate team. I might actually consider.
@Ultradark You deserve it.
...and my little brother just poured a bag of popcorn everywhere. I'm done. Peace.
 
12:43 AM
@TedShifrin Please see directly below for a link.
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A: Describing the group defined by $\langle a,b \mid (ab)^2=(abaa)^2=(abbb)^2=e\rangle.$

ShaunBy @user2345215's comment, the group $G$, defined by the presentation in question, is also defined up to isomorphism by $$\langle a, y\mid y^2, y^{-1}a^2=a^{-2}y\rangle,$$ where $y=ab$. This presentation is equivalent to $$\langle a, y\mid y^2, y^{-1}a^2y=a^{-2}\rangle,\tag{P}$$ which defines...

 
I can't help with this sort of question, @Shaun. Sorry. That's a very, very obscure group, so far as I'm concerned.
 
Can anyone explain why $f(z)^8$ is locally bounded here. math.stackexchange.com/questions/831121/…
 
@TedShifrin There's no need to apologise. Thank you anyway :)
 
@user330477: Holomorphic functions are always locally bounded unless they have a (non-removable) singularity. But we're talking about a neighborhood of a zero, not a singularity.
 
@TedShifrin How should we go about proving this rigorously?
 
12:51 AM
We're talking about a continuous function on a disk, @user330477. Use a compact subset.
 
@AkivaWeinberger The 2-color pics reminds me of those molecular dynamics simulation results of my school's research groups where two different liquids get segregated into a manner similar to a 3D version of that. I wonder if the mathematics of Truchet tiles will be useful to further characterise those intermolecular interactions....
 
a continuous real valued function on a compact subset always attains its max value.
 
And the bridge does indeed added a lot of complexity to the Truchet tiling
 
So locally bounded @user330477.
I wonder which section of Gamelin's book that problem appears in. I'm not sure what the intent was.
 
@TedShifrin Thank you. This is the question in Laurent Series Chapter V1.2.
 
1:02 AM
In Olivier's answer here, how does absolutely convergence give you that?
 
Aha. The function $f$ couldn't have a pole or essential singularity (or else $f^8$ would too). But there could be branch points. Continuity on the region rules that out.
 
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Q: Finding $\sum_{k=1}^{\infty} \left[\frac{1}{2k}-\log \left(1+\frac{1}{2k}\right)\right]$

pkwssisHow do we find $$S=\sum_{k=1}^{\infty} \left[\frac{1}{2k} -\log\left(1+\dfrac{1}{2k}\right)\right]$$ I know that $\displaystyle\sum_{k=1}^{\infty} \left[\frac{1}{k} -\log\left(1+\dfrac{1}{k}\right)\right]=\gamma$, where $\gamma$ is the Euler–Mascheroni constant. But I could not manipulate this ...

It says "Observe that, by absolute convergence:" Well, I can't. :~
 
is topology essentially about spheres
 
^Refers to Olivier's answer (below the accepted answer). Can anyone explain that, please?
 
if you have a finite object with no holes is it a sphere
 
1:07 AM
@Migos: Think about estimating each term (which is a difference) with the mean value theorem or Taylor's Theorem.
 
@TedShifrin The first equality?
 
The definition of the sum.
 
I'm shocked. I would never expect that.
 
Well, I haven't sat down and worked it out, but that's my initial reaction.
 
I thought they wrote even/odd terms out but I couldn't figure out where the sign alternation comes from.
 
1:13 AM
I'm not putting any effort into it.
But I'm assuming they're doing some sort of rearranging.
 
Yeah, they're performing some next juju alright.
Thanks @TedShifrin. I'll work on it a bit.
 
Arian's solution may be the most straightforward. I dunno.
 
I think it's.
I think Olivier's is more or less the same; just the steps are weird (for me).
I think I get it; because $\sum f(2k) = \sum (-1)^k f(k)+\sum f(2k-1)$.
 
2:01 AM
If $f(z)$ is an entire function which is not a polynomial, then what kind of singularity can it have at $\infty$? The hint at the back of Gamelin says that $f(z)$ is infinitely many negative powers of $\frac{1}{z}$, so the singularity is essential. I think this is incomplete as it ignores the case that $f(z)$ may some positive powers of $\frac{1}{z}$, even if it is not a polynomial.
 
2:24 AM
@MikeMiller @Ted Couldn't sleep, so posted an answer anyway
Thanks for the helpful discussion. I hadn't previously thought about the fact that $H^1_{dR}(G) \cong (\mathfrak{g}^{ab})^{*}$ (I didn't do it in full generality in the answer but still)
 
2:36 AM
I just mistook involutions for idempotents! My Master's dissertation was in semigroup theory for crying out loud! [ Cries in $\LaTeX$. ]
In my defence, I'm not getting enough sleep lately . . .
 
 
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3:42 AM
HI
 
 
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4:48 AM
Does anybody know how on page $8$, the author is getting that on $C_2$ the integral is equal to $e^{i2\pi/3}I$? Why $e^{i2\pi/3}$? I'm not following
https://math.mit.edu/~jorloff/18.04/notes/topic9.pdf
 
 
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8:00 AM
Genes follow some fractal structure
 
 
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2:45 PM
Hi @BalarkaSen
 
Hey
 
hi chat
 
Let $A \subseteq X$; suppose $r : X \to A$ is a continuous map such that $r(a) = a$ for each $a \in A$. If $a_0 \in A$, show that $r_* : \pi_1(X,a_0) \to \pi_1(A,a_0)$ is surjective...This seems easy. Given $[f] \in \pi_1(A,a_0)$, wouldn't $r_*$ send $[ \iota * f]$ to $[f]$, where $\iota : A \to X$ is the inclusion map? QED?
 
Thanks for the careful edits, @Danu!
Hi @SemiC
 
@BalarkaSen :)
 
2:55 PM
How's it going by the way
 
Had the word Grassmannian show up (in a central way) in a physics talk yesterday
but it was a talk given by someone from our math department, so that's sorta the exception that proves the rule
 
I'd guess plane fields show up in physics often
 
yeah, we love when we can make things 2D
 
@Semiclassical Haven't you followed the Amplituhedron stuff?
 
it was the second author here talking about their paper: arxiv.org/abs/1807.03282
 
2:58 PM
That's all about "positive Grassmannian" (no idea what that actually is...)
 
@Danu sorta. It does have to do with that stuff
 
ok, cool
 
I was at least able to follow what the speaker was saying, though there were obviously a lot of points where I had to trust what they were claiming made sense
 
"Recall that the totally nonnegative Grassmannian Gr≥0(k, N) is the subset of the real Grassmannian Gr(k, N) where all Plucker coordinates are nonnegative"
Ugh that must be a weird real semialgebraic subvariety of the Grassmannian
 
3:00 PM
Is my proof incorrect?
 
in computational terms it boils down to some positivity condition on the minors
 
Why do you physicists deal with weird shit
Yeah makes sense
 
and the orthogonality to some symmetry condition on the minors
(it's an n-by-2n matrix, so you can split the matrix into two square portions. you demand those have equal determinant)
and tbh this is pretty far from stuff a typical physicist would see
we do love the 2D planar ising model, but usually we take the graph to be something like a square grid
in which case stuff only becomes nice in a particular limiting case
by contrast, this paper is more about exact results for finite graphs.
 
If I have a topological manifold $X$ and an embedding $f\colon X\to\Bbb R^n$ what can I say about $\dim_H(f(X))$ where $\dim_H$ denotes the Hausdorff dimension?
 
might be very fractal-y
 
3:12 PM
I think it should be bounded below by $\dim X$ but anything else could happen?
 
So what's an embedding? An injective, continuous map?
 
There's a Jordan curve passign through any bounded and totally disconnected subset of $\Bbb R^2$ so I suspect Hausdorff dimension of an embedded curve can already be very terrible
 
Or do you mean that the image should be a submanifold?
Because in the former case all usual fractals will be embedded lines etc
in the latter case there is nothing weird happening
 
@Danu Really? If it's a topological submanifold weirdness can still happen
 
oh
yeah maybe
so the latter?
The reason why I feel like nothing should happen for submanifolds is
that fractals always seem to rely on ideas of "infinitely pointy" which would make it hard to find little open balls around points such that the intersection with the submanifold is homeo to a Euclidean space
but maybe that's just bad intuition
 
3:18 PM
@Danu Homeomorphism onto its image I'd say
 
Well, remember that by Jordan-Schoenflies theorem there's a homeomorphism of $\Bbb R^2$ taking any Jordan curve to the circle. So if I have a Jordan curve $C$ in $\Bbb R^2$ and a point $p$ on it there's a ball $B$ around $p$ such that $(B, B \cap C)$ is homeomorphic as pairs to $(\Bbb R^2, \Bbb R^1)$
 
@Danu Seems like the real difficulty is just diffeo, but maybe that's differently bad intuition.
 
But Jordan curves can be very pointy (Osgood curve)
 
DIffeo I refuse to believe that embeddings can behave weirdly, indeed @Fargle
 
Schoenflies theorem my goodness
 
3:19 PM
You don't even need a diffeomorphism; if $f$ is a flat embedding that's enough
I hope at least
 
Yeah, okay, so your Osgood curve convinces me topologically it's messed up, if your application of Jordan works
 
Sure, if I had diffeo- or even smooth everywhere then the dimension should be preserved, right?
 
but where's that little ball around any point on the Osgood curve?!?!?!
Can you construct it for me in this example?
 
@Danu What is the precise question? Let $C$ be the Osgood curve and $p$ a point on it. I am claiming there is a ball $B_\delta(p)$ around $p$ in $\Bbb R^2$ such that there's a homeomorphism $B_\delta(p) \to \Bbb R^2$ taking $B_\delta(p) \cap C$ to $\Bbb R^1$
That follows from Schoenflies
 
Right
can you construct it for me in the example?
For da intuition
 
3:22 PM
Oh dude no
I have no idea how to see it explicitly
 
I find it hard to understand that one can get a little ball that doesn't touch far-removed parts of the curve
@BalarkaSen Not in general, just in this example of the Osgood curve
Or any curve with bad behavior of your choice, really
 
I don't even know how to see the Osgood curve is a curve explicitly!
 
ok :(
where is that little disk going to go?!
 
It's constructed by removing wedges out of a triangle
 
I find it very strange
 
3:23 PM
It is!
 
Mike will tell us! :D
 
Hi @MikeMiller!
 
Remember that "topological submanifold" has nothing to do with having a normal neighborhood. So you don't need to look for any sort of normal discs.
It just happens that every curve in 2D is for some reason remarkably special.
 
But topological 1-submanifolds of R^2 are locally flat, right?
 
yes, as you say by an appropriate version of Schoenflies
 
3:25 PM
What does normal mean?
 
Pointing outside of your submanifold?
 
In the sense that topological submanifolds need not have normal neighborhoods as in the smooth case; i.e. don't have product neighborhoods even locally
Just for 2D it happens to have those
 
@MikeMiller I still don't understand :P
 
Then whatever
And I guess the second relevant point is that homeomorphisms needn't preserve Hausdorff dimension
 
Right, that's sorta equivalent I guess
 
3:27 PM
So your homeomorphism taking this to the standard circle is going to inherently be impossible to visualize
 
Sure, but I thought still maybe I should be able to understand what a little chart should look like
 
Why?
 
@Danu An example of a topological submanifold which does not have normal neighborhood, by the way, is the Alexander horned sphere in $\Bbb R^3$. At the "bad points" there is no ball $B$ such that $(B, B \cap \text{Horned Sphere})$ is homeomorphic to $(\Bbb R^3, \Bbb R^2)$.
 
That's a restriction of an unvisualizable homeomorphism to an open set.
 
Because it has to contain a little round disk so I'm wondering if I can construct this little round at least in some limiting procedure?
 
3:30 PM
If you want to do that the first step would be to construct the Osgood curve by a limiting procedure. I am not entirely sure how to do that.
 
I'd already be happy to understand how it avoids touching other parts of the curve
@BalarkaSen I still don't know what normal means though. :\
 
Like, the tubular neighborhood theorem
You have normals to a smooth submanifold
That's why they have good neighborhoods
 
a tubular neighorhood? ok
right
I was mostly just confused because normal neighborhood means something slightly different in Riemannian geometry (geodesics and stuff, though I guess it's closely connected)
 
In general if $M^k$ is a topological submanifold of $\Bbb R^n$ such that at a point $p \in M^k$ there is a ball $B$ such that $(B, B \cap M) \cong (\Bbb R^n, \Bbb R^k)$, you'd envision that has having sort of "topological normals" to $M$ around a neighborhood of $p$ (pull the $\Bbb R^{n-k}$ copies perpendicular to $\Bbb R^k \subset \Bbb R^n$ back)
But a-priori there is no reason to have those, and indeed you don't. In 2D miraculously you do
 
mhm
I'd love to understand some explicit construction of this result for some ugly curve
 
3:34 PM
@Danu Ah I see, problem of terminology
Yeah I'd like to see an explicit construction. I don't actually know how the proof of Schoenflies goes
 
Tried to delete before you got here
 
lmao
 
LOL
 
Heh
 
What I must have been thinking was "locally flat implies global tubular neighborhood in codim 1" but this is not surprising
 
3:38 PM
I was actually about to say the codim 1 thing myself before I remembered the counterexample
Ah, that's true
 
I have ecnountered the following statement: If $T$ is a compact operator on a Hilbert space, then for $\lambda\in \Bbb C$, $T-\lambda\operatorname{id}$ is either invertible or has non-trivial kernel.

Am I correct to rephrase this as: The spectrum of a compact operator consists only of eigenvalues?
 
Sure
 
The Alexander horned toad would be a terrifying sight.
 
OK, thanks. Typing some notes, and I don't know any functional analysis :)
 
It's worth knowing a little
 
3:40 PM
@Fargle Freedman likes to call the exterior component of the horned sphere the "Alexander gored ball"
 
Wow I like that
 
That's metal as heck
 
@MikeMiller It really is. Part of the reason I'm attending this course
 
The sphere as bull
 
(it's a course on global analysis)
Neat name, yeah
 
3:42 PM
The bullshit thing that happens is even though the Alexander gored ball is not homeomorphic to $B^3$, if you double it (glue two copies of the gored ball along their horned boundaries), you get $S^3$. This was proved by Bing, the madman
It's not even clear why it's a $3$-manifold to me
 
Horrible
 
Absolutely disgusting.
 
@BalarkaSen Since you're a Russian at heart, can I call you Brisha?
 
Absolutely
Speaking of, I was reading Gromov's Abel prize interview yesterday. He just says everything he discovered, except perhaps pseudoholomorphic curves, is obvious
Mad, mad guy
 
Wait someone said functional analysis in this chat
I have been summoned
 
3:48 PM
You are summoned by functional analaysis...?
 
Among other things
 
whats up with "can only increase locally"
 
Daminark is an analyst at heart.
 
like how does that make sense
 
To summon a functional analyst you need to draw a pentagram inside a noncompact closed circle
 
3:49 PM
if you have a path where something increases and then turn around its going to decrease
 
@s.harp what is the context for this?
 
@AlessandroCodenotti if you are summoned by func ana I saw an interesting thing today:
C(X) is a Banach algebra when X is compact va the sup-norm.
a) is there another norm on C(X) that makes it into a Banach algebra? (Easy)
b) is there another norm on C(X) that makes it into a normed algebra? (Hard)
@anakhro dimension of local killing fields cannot decrease locally, rank of maps into vector space cannot increase locally are some statements ive just read
I mean, the statement is that for any point $x$ you've got a neighbourhood so that $\dim kill^{loc}(x)≤\dim kill^{loc}(y)$ for all $y$ in the nieghbourhood is what the statement means
 
@s.harp That means if you perturb a linear map a little bit the rank never goes up
Rank is a "lower semicontinuous" in fancy terminology
 
@BalarkaSen but thats not true
 
@s.harp Dami is the one summoned by functional analysis, not me!
 
3:57 PM
why doesnt the rank of $t\mapsto \chi_{[0,\infty)}(t)\,t I$ go up at $0$
 
Whoops, I meant, rank never goes down.
The statement you wrote is wrong
 
ok, yes, thats true in the sense that you can find an open neighbourhood around your point so that it doesnt go down
 
Right. Rank < k matrices form a closed susbet of rank < k+1 matrices
 
if I have a path between $x$ and $y$ so that the rank changes, suppose the starting point has higher rank. Now choose points along the path and open sets containg those points so that the rank on the set is always greater than the rank on the associated point.
do it with finitely many and why dont i have a contradiction here
 
$x$ and $y$ are points on the space of matrices?
 
4:01 PM
no, we're looking at a map on some space to the space of matrices, the map is continuous so the the rank cannot decrease locally
if we cover the path with finitely many neighbourhoods so that the rank does not decrease relative to the "based point" of the neighbourhood, we could jump from base point to base point along the path, rank never decreasing, so the rank shouldnt decrease on the entire path
ah ok, nvm. There is no way to ensure that the next base point is contained in the neighbourhood of hte previous one, just that the two neighbourhoods intersect
 
That's not what the statement means. Let $\Sigma_{< k+1}$ denote the space of matrices of rank $< k+1$ and $\Sigma_{<k}$ the space of matrices of rank $<k$. You can easily join a point of $\Sigma_{< k}$ to an interior point of $\Sigma_{< k+1}$ by a continuous path.
It means for every point $p$ in the interior of $\Sigma_{< k+1}$ there is some ball $B$ around $p$ that lies entirely inside $\Sigma_{< k+1}$.
Even if $p$ is very very very close to $\Sigma_{< k}$, you can find a very very very small ball around it that fits in $\Sigma_{< k}$.
 
yes, I've got it now
 
This is like saying $f(x) = x^2$ is a continuous function on $[0, 1]$ which is locally positive on $(0, 1]$, I suppose.
Yet $f(0) = 0$.
Just that if $x$ is very close to $0$, the nbhd of $x$ on which $f$ is positive is going to be very small.
 
yeah im just retarded
 
No, it's a good point
 
4:08 PM
"silly" would be a better choice of words.
 
I was confused about this a long while ago; I'd say the point is, if you use the terminology in this answer, "stratums of $M_{m \times n}(\Bbb R)$ are open bounded submanifolds"
 
I tend to avoid the word "stupid" in favor of "silly" as well
 
 
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Hmm. Suppose I have three non-collinear points in R^2. Then the convex hull of these points is a triangle, with every point on the triangle corresponding to a unique convex combination of the vertices.
By contrast, if I chose at least four such vertices in R^2 (all of which are assumed to be non-collinear) then the resulting hull is still convex but now the points in the interior can be written as infinitely many such combinations.
Trying to see how to classify that extra freedom in that case...
 
5:46 PM
@Semiclassical a convex combination of $n$-points can be viewed as a point on an $n-1$ dimensional simplex. As such if you have the convex hull $K$ of $n$ points in $\Bbb R^d$ and you want to see the degeneracy of how many combinations describe the same point, what you can do is look at the subset of $K\times \Delta$ given by $\{ (x, (t_1,..,t_n)) \mid \sum_n t_n x_n = x\}$
at each point you've got as a fibre basically this degeneracy, and you can look at quantifiers like the dimension or the volume of this fiber to describe how degenerate one point is
 
yeah, that looks right
 
for example with your triangle every fiber is just a point, if you are looking at a square then you've got as a fiber a line over every point except the center point
 
Huh, not the center point?
 
the center point is unique, it is the maximal mixing of the 4 extreme points
 
that doesn't sound right. Let $t_1,t_2,t_3,t_4$ be the weights for the four corners taken counter-clockwise
 
5:51 PM
oops you are right
 
in order to have $\sum_n t_n x_n$ to be the center point, it should suffice to have $t_1=t_3$ and $t_2=t_4$
yeah
 
the center point has the most degeneracy
 
Right.
"Most" in the sense of volume, anyways
 
and dimension
 
Really?
 
5:52 PM
let me think
ok you are right, also one dimensional
 
I think it'd still have the most volume tho
 
at the boundary dimension is zero, so i suppose length must decrease as you approach that :P
 
lol, ya
 
6:22 PM
@s.harp playing around with it, I think that the volume of the segment should be a piecewise linear function of which point in the square you look at
With the pieces corresponding to the four triangles you get upon drawing the diagonals
 
Any of you know French and willing to translate a 5 page paper for me?
 
Hi could anyone explain to me the second case in this simple proof. $\text { If } a \in G - H$
 
I’d conjecture that this characterization remains valid as you add more points and increase the dimension
(Not that I feel terribly much like checking it)
 
do most math phd candidates/phd's prefer python or some other language like R
or maybe say javascript
 
6:33 PM
Anyone have any idea?
 
or does it not really even matter
 
@Rick Id imagine it depends on the type of work
Python/R pretty standard for Statistical learning. Python more used in industry though then R
 
cool, I thought there might have been a general fall back language for testing theories and what not
 
$\text { Let } G \text { be a group and } K \leq G \text { where } [ G : K ] = 2 . \text { Prove that } K \leq G$
I know that there will be two left/right cosets as the index of $K$ in $G$ is 2
those cosets will be $K$ and $G-k$
Giving us two cases
1. if $g \in K$ then $gK = K = Kg$ as $K$ is a subgroup and has closure property
 
The nontrivial left coset and the nontrivial right coset are both $G\setminus K$. That implies all the left cosets are equal to the right cosets.
Which is precisely what it means for $K$ to be normal
 
6:42 PM
Well for the second case we have $ g \in G-K$
but I am not understanding how in this case $gK = G-K = Kg$
 
You just said that the cosets will be $K$ and $G \setminus K$
 
Yup. so why does an element in $G-K$ * an element in $K$ have to be in $G-K$?
Am I forgetting something?
Couldn't an element in $G-K$* an element in $K$ be in $K$?
 
Suppose $g \in G - K$ and $h \in K$ and $gh \in K$ like you are claiming. As $K$ is a subgroup, $h^{-1} \in K$ as well.
But then $gh \cdot h^{-1} \in K$ by closure property
That forces $g \in K$
But $g$ cannot be in $G - K$ and in $K$ at the same time!
 
Ah I see, what is the higher level intuition behind that. How did you see that from the beginning?
 
K is a subgroup. If any two of g, h, and gh are in K, so is the third
 
6:48 PM
@SharathZotis You see that from the beginning by not thinking about elements at all. There are 2 disjoint right cosets which partition $G$, and 2 disjoint left cosets which partition $G$, right?
 
Right
 
One of the right cosets is $H$, and one of the left cosets is also $H$, correct?
 
Throw them away. You are left with the one other right coset and one other left coset, the nontrivial ones.
The nontrivial ones!! Not the ones of the form $eH$ and $He$, we threw them away
 
Yup so you have the nontrivial ones left since you know the trivial ones are the same
 
6:50 PM
Correct.
But then both of them has to be $G - H$, because if you have a partition of $G$ into two disjoint sets, and one of them is $H$, the other has to be $G - H$.
 
And because there was only 1 non-trivial coset of each type, both are simply of the form G \ H ...
 
I see this is much better and simpler
instead of going element wise
 
Indeed so
 
Thank you @BalarkaSen and @MikeMiller for the help.
 
That's what I do, swoop in at the last second to get half the credit
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6:53 PM
lol
 
@MikeMiller Small cancellation theory is very exciting
 
@Daminark Ok, here is a question for you. Let X and Y be measure spaces. Is the natural map $L^\infty(X \times Y) \to L^\infty(X, L^\infty(Y))$ an isomorphism?
@s.harp as well
Rip too late to delete
There's no map that way
 
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