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8:00 PM
Hi @Lucas, and @MoreAnonymous, whoever you are.
 
hello people
 
We talked once ...
:'( sniff
It only meant something to me apparently :P
 
Ah, once. That makes us longtime friends ;P
So many people change names in here more often than they change underwear. I can't keep up.
2
 
Given the monthlong delay between changing names, I'm worried.
 
ah ...
This style of question should remind you about me
https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/2955488/analytic-continuation-of-a-series-raised-to-a-power-raised-to-a-power
 
8:01 PM
Hi @Ted
 
given how infrequently people change their names that'd be gross
 
Some people, @Eric. Not most.
 
@EricSilva eat it
 
hi @Alessandro
 
damn Mike sniped me w a better constructed sentence
 
8:02 PM
Its quite non-rigourous (I think) ..
Unless my math skills suddenly improved
 
Hey Ted!
 
I'm sorry, @MoreAnonymous, I'm sick and I'm distracted by serious life stuff at the moment, so I can't deal with it.
hi Demonark
 
@TedShifrin :( hope things get better
 
ohk ... take care ...
So dont overwork or overstress urslef
Rememebr health is imprtatnt too
@TedShifrin
 
Thanks, all. Just saying my brain isn't working much and I'm not in a patient mood.
 
8:06 PM
btw Ted, I emailed that sammy fellow to ask him his thoughts, following your advice
 
Oh, cool. I haven't heard from him in a while, but he's a cool dude.
 
@TedShifrin Wow! You're converging to me.
 
LOL ... I shudder to think in what topology :P
 
@TedShifrin get well soon!
 
@TedShifrin LMAO i actually cackled at this
 
8:11 PM
Well, we're filtered by how well our brains work. You will find me at the bottom of that filtration.
 
Hardly.
 
Hi guys is anybody willing to double check a short proof of mine?
It's about sheaves basically
 
@TedShifrin You don't know me, homie!
 
what are group rings in a simple wording ?
 
Now @MikeM is talking like @EricSilva. I think I'll move to the moon.
 
8:13 PM
@Jacksoja Let $R$ be a ring. First let me tell you what $R[G]$ is as a set: it is a free $R$-module, with basis the elements of $G$.
 
word up my dude
 
Now to tell you what the multiplication is, I just need to tell you what happens to the basis elements, and that's easy: we say that in this ring, $g \cdot h = gh$, using the group multiplication law!
That is, two basis elements multiply to another basis element.
 
@MikeMiller thank you Mike, but is this book am using , this notion of group rings has been introduced without using free , modules or anything as such ^^
 
Replace $R$ with a field $k$ and replace "free $R$-module" with "vector space".
There is no difference.
 
@MikeMiller But please continue ,this will be useful when I reach modules ( chapter 10 )
okay
 
8:15 PM
That was everything. Reparse in terms of vector spaces. "Free modules" are the same idea, but over arbitrary rings.
 
so in short, we multiply as R[G] were just G
 
free $R$-module with basis $G$ just means the set of all formal finite linear combinations over $G$, or if you want an actual set-theoretic construction, the set of all functions $G \to R$ with finite support
 
On the basis elements!
 
and add in R[G] just as it was R
 
Yup
But let's be careful, just to be clear
 
8:16 PM
Hi @Mathei
 
Let $G$ be a group where $g$ and $h$ are elements
Then $(2g) \cdot (2h) = 4gh$
 
Hi @Alessandro
 
You have to use the multiplication in $R$ (or your field, if you prefer) as the coefficients
 
how was your first week?
 
elements of the ring always commute with g in G ?
 
8:16 PM
that's (g+g)(h+h) ~=> gh+gh+gh+gh
 
Uhhh let's say intense
 
~=> : reduces to
 
The lectures are fine, but the exercise sheets are tough
 
@Jacksoja yes
 
Maybe I'm just not used to them
 
8:17 PM
@Alessandro I see
 
@MikeMiller@MatheinBoulomenos@LeakyNun thank you !
 
I'll have a couple of questions for you after handing in the first AT exercise sheet tomorrow most likely by the way
 
As long as it's not before :D
 
That's why I'm not asking today!
 
@Leaky: I assume Mike confirmed what I told you about a $g$-holed torus?
 
8:21 PM
I told him that "holes" is a stupid word.
This is only one such reason.
 
I made some comment about nonsense interpretations, yes.
Nevertheless, we geometry/topology types know what we mean by a $g$-holed torus. :P
 
It is just a miscommunication to say that "homology counts holes" and "g-holes torus" are supposed to mean the same thing. The latter is an easy way of saying the connected sum. Indeed, in that case, we mean the "donut holes".
In the former case we are of course counting dimension and get 2g.
 
Right. Well, I made the point that homology is intrinsic, and not extrinsic, so "holes" in an ambient space really make no sense.
 
But if you interpret "hole" as "essential submanifold", then there are 2g.
 
Ah, Poincaré's cut number?
 
8:23 PM
Betti's!
 
Oh, I messed up my history.
 
I suggested thinking about it by successively collapsing those submanifolds.
I still haven't made it through 1/2 of Dieudonne's book.
 
@MatheinBoulomenos are you here?
 
his history of functional book is friggin sick
 
@LeakyNun yes
 
8:25 PM
@MatheinBoulomenos I finally know the difference between using union to construct direct limit and using direct sum
 
the latter works for general colimits
 
@EricSilva haven't looked at it probably should
I'll die before I read a book again tho
 
@MatheinBoulomenos and the former requires a function taking x and y to something greater than them, instead of just an existential statement
 
nooo
 
@EricSilva get it some Tylenol
 
8:28 PM
@LeakyNun yeah
 
@MikeMiller at least read my boi saramago before u fade into that good night, his warmth and radicalism will keep u going through the cold dark days
 
@MatheinBoulomenos in a choiceless world where Skolemization isn't a thing...
 
And hey Mathein!
 
Hey @Daminark!
 
We'll see m8
 
8:30 PM
@MatheinBoulomenos is there always a maximal inseparable subextension of a given algebraic field extension K/F?
 
if K/F is inseparable, then this is just K, if not there is no inseparable subextension
do ou mean purely inseparable?
 
I don't mean purely inseparable
what do you mean there is no inseparable subextension
oh wait
but an inseparable extension can contain separable elements?
 
ok so the question is ill-defined I suppose
 
Hey @TedShifrin
I have a question, do you have a couple of minutes to hear me out?
 
8:39 PM
@MikeMiller have you ever applied for funding for msri conferences?
 
Yes
You do it through your grad chair
Oh conference
No
Was thinking summer school
 
oh
 
we need a frog avatar, just saying
 
anyway im supposed to submit a statement of purpose and im not quite sure what is expected for a statement of purpose for applying to conferences (in contrast to gradschool etc. where i kind of just bs about my interest in math)

i guess i should probably bs about my interest in alggeom and how i think it's going to benefit my (nonexistent) research hmm
 
life has no purpose
 
8:46 PM
@loch How long do they ask?
@LeakyNun There's your statement!
 
it doesn't say!
hm i probably won't bs a lot then
 
Write a paragraph or two about why you care about going
 
Is there a convenient name for the "less than" and "greater than" relations collectively?
 
If it's related to what you think might be research, great
 
@SirCumference partial orders / preorders / total orders / well-orders
 
8:48 PM
nonstrict inequalities
 
strict relations?
 
Strict means no equals
Oh
Bad me
Yes strict
 
thats would be less than or greater than
 
@LeakyNun But those terms can refer to other relations as well
 
yeah that sounds good
 
8:49 PM
@SirCumference I can also define a to be less than a.
 
@loch Don't worry too much about it. If you seem like you have a good reason to be there you should be fine.
The conferences I don't get funding for are where I say "This isn't at all related to my field but it seems interesting!"
 
lmao
 
@MikeMiller "Inequalities" also includes ≠ though
 
I just wanna learn
@SirCumference But nobody will think that's what you mean.
 
I specifically want to talk about when less than or greater than are defined on my set
@MikeMiller okey
 
8:51 PM
If you have a partial ordering and you want to know if it makes sense to say that one is less than the other the word is 'comparable'
 
It's just kind of surprising that there's no collective name for them
 
Strict inequalities
 
@MikeMiller ≠ is a strict inequality
 
This is a waste of both of our time
 
It's defined on a lot more sets I can think of than > and <
All righty then
 
8:54 PM
@Mathein, are you at all familiar with how to use the inverse different to compute rings of integers? I know that you're able to sorta squeeze it in via $n\mathbb{Z}[\alpha] \subset n\mathcal{O}_K \subset \mathbb{Z}[\alpha]$ but then I'm not 100% sure how to work from there
 
my French homework asks me to write 200 words on the advantages and inconveniences of living alone or living together ...
it's been 200 years since I last wrote an argumentative essay
 
@Daminark yeah I worked with that before
 
I don't even know how to begin
 
So apparently the idea is that $n\mathcal{O}_K$ descends to an ideal $I\subset \mathbb{Z}[\alpha]/n$ such that $I^2 = nI$?
 
oh to be fair I worked more with the discriminant before
which is the norm of the different
 
9:01 PM
What do I do when splitting the integral using integration by parts gives divergent subintegral !?
 
Hmm, okay so, one thing just to be sure, why is the inverse different a fractional ideal? Is it finitely generated?
 
Guys. If I know that $f' \circ j \in \mathcal{O}_X(j^{-1}(V))$ and $f' \circ j \circ f \in \mathcal{O}_X(f^{-1}(j^{-1}(V)))$ can I conclude that $f' \circ f \in \mathcal{O}_X(f^{-1}(V))$?
$V$ just an open set
$j$ just the inclusion of $V$ into $X$
and $\mathcal{O}_X$ is the sheaf of regular functions on $X$
 
so i bought a book a month ago on the internet and now its price is less than half the price I payed it
how is this possible?
 
Oh yeah I guess that's because of the general rule that the ring of integers is finitely generated and the inverse different is its dual.
 
@Daminark yeah you can identify it with the dual module at least
if you choose an integral basis, then the the dual basis of that will be a basis for the inverse different
 
9:10 PM
And then the inverse different of $\mathbb{Z}[\alpha]$ being $\frac{1}{f'(\alpha)}\mathbb{Z}[\alpha]$ should have something to do with the conjugates of $\alpha$ being an integral basis of it in that case?
 
Okay, so you work with the discriminant to compute rings of integers. Just to be sure, the discriminant of the ring of integers in $\mathbb{Q}(\alpha)$ is gonna be the discriminant of the minimal polynomial of $\alpha$, right?
 
no
only if the ring of integers is actually $\Bbb Z[\alpha]$
 
Ah right right
 
but that's the discriminant of $\Bbb Z[\alpha]$
so if $O$ is any order (e.g. $\Bbb Z[\alpha]$ for $\alpha$ a primitive element) in $K/\Bbb Q$ a number field, then one has $\Delta(O)=|\mathcal O_K/O|^2\Delta(\mathcal O_K)$, so if you're lucky you can find an $\alpha$ such that the discriminant of $\Bbb Z[\alpha]$ is square-free, then you're done
then you also have the useful criterion that if the minimal polynomial for $\alpha$ is $p$-Eisenstein, then $p$ doesn't divide $\mathcal O_K/O$
so let's say you want to compute $\mathcal O_{\Bbb Q(\sqrt[3]{5})}$: you find that $\Delta(\Bbb Z[\sqrt[3]{5})=-675=-3^3 \cdot 5^2$. Now $x^3-5$ is $5$-Eisenstein, and $(x-1)^3-5$ is $3$-Eisenstein, then you're done since $\Bbb Z[\sqrt[3]{5}]=\Bbb Z[\sqrt[3]{5}+1]$
that's a bit lucky I guess...
some computations I've seen for rings of integers relied on ad-hoc methods with norms, traces and conjugates
 
9:21 PM
I guess it's just like Sylow
Sylowmeister
 
I didn't have that much ring of integers to compute
 
let R = Z[x] , and I be the collection of poly's whose terms ar of degree at least 2 together with the zero polynomial
I want to understand the ring R/ I in this case
 
Do you guys prefer functions as graphs or functions as triples?
 
I'd say that depending on the context, either as a graph or as an input/output machine
 
For instance, $f \subset X\times Y$ or $(f, X, Y)$
 
9:31 PM
@MatheinBoulomenos you can do that as a hobby :P
and I'll call you Integralringenmeister
@Jacksoja it's just {a+bX | a,b in Z}
with X^2=0
wait no
are you sure I is an ideal?
 
@Jacksoja do you know what ideals and equivalence relations are?
 
yes p(x) and q(x) are in the same ideal iff their diff is in I
 
@Daminark I'm not sure if I can distinguish those
 
it seems like we can represent R/I with only linear poly's
ax+b
 
I mean, for me a graph is a picture, and an input/output machine is like a computer
 
9:35 PM
@Jacksoja x^2 and x^2+1 are both degree 2
their difference is not in your ideal
 
x^2+1 is not in I
 
it is
its degree is 2
ah
by "term" you mean the component
 
but if you read , its about terms being less than 2
yes
 
I don't think anyone say that
 
I do
3
 
9:37 PM
decomposing a polynomial into components is not a canonical thing to do
 
et R = Z[x] , and I be the collection of poly's whose terms ar of degree at least 2 together with the zero polynomial
 
@mercio LOL
 
@Jacksoja anyway your new ring is Z[X]/(X^2)
 
and now, back to lurking
 
@mercio after all this destruction you caused :P
 
9:49 PM
@LeakyNun for what example what would be the associated map ?
f : Z[x] ---> Z[x] / I

p(x) |---> ax+b
 
@Jacksoja send sum an x^n to a0 + a1 x
 
so the kernel of this map I , are all elements that gets maps to some poly of degree either 0 or at least 2
 
@Jacksoja Please stop saying "poly of degree either 0 or at least 2"
and start saying "multiple of X^2"
 
ok
so is this notation good ? Z[x] / ( x^2 )
that is what we modding by , PID , (x^2)
 
yes, (x^2), not PID
D stands for domain
 
9:54 PM
ok i think it is clear thanks
 
If z,w are complex numbers, then $w=(z+1)^2\implies w^2=z+1$?
 
meh, what should this be "explicit content(s)"?
a word like motherf... in a song?
 
I think it's false, though I'm not sure. It has the form $x=y^2$, then $y=\pm\sqrt x$, so the above result that I wrote must be false.
 
10:17 PM
Does anybody know whether the inequality |e^z| is less than or equal to e^|z| is true for z a complex number?
 
@user330477 |e^z| = e^(Re(z))
and Re(z) <= |z|
so it's true
 
thank you so much
 
you're welcome
 
10:33 PM
@LeakyNun fun question for leaky =p
how tall is the table?
 
150 cm
 
><
why
 
stack the two scenarios vertically :P
 
haha
how are you leaky ._.
poor kas still fighting with algebra humm
 
so two tables have height 170+130 cm
 
10:38 PM
LEAKY
I GOT IT !
This is not the type of algebra am fighting with haha
 
lol
@KasmirKhaan show that 1-x is a unit if x is nilpotent :P
there's various cool things to do with nilpotents
 
hmm let me see
ahh
we can use that factor thing
(1-x) ( x^n-1 ...... +1)
 
do you want to hear my proof?
 
yes sure !
 
Consider the taylor series of $\frac1{1-x}$ at $x=0$
it converges because $x$ is nilpotent
 
10:43 PM
hmm ._.'
but isint that the same as what i did
 
yes
 
grrrrrrrrr
 
but I'm just telling you that taylor series is more useful than you think
 
sometimes you drive me crazy leaky :D
 
@KasmirKhaan I'm not saying that you're wrong...
 
10:44 PM
aha
neat :)
 
@KasmirKhaan e.g. I believe $\sqrt{1+2x}$ has integral coefficients
but it might be hard to prove that the taylor series actually satisfies the property directly from its expansion
which is why taylor series is helpful
 
@LeakyNun leaky ! kas gonna prepare for galois theory, in few months, so need to focus on repeating all algebra properly
any recommendations of books for galois?
 
ian stewart
 
coolio !
I got that book :D
so galois theory is bascilly fields yeah ._.'
 
11:08 PM
@KasmirKhaan well of course it is
 
@LeakyNun good good :D
so leaky ._. what courses are u talking atm ?
 
you should also be familiar with basic linear algebra
(I guess what I mean by "basic" isn't what others mean by "basic", but whatever)
 
that what i have been doing these months =p
 
manifolds, elliptic curves, modular forms
 
linear algebra and AA repetition =p
wait whuuuuuuut
manifolds?
on what course does one read about that?
 
11:13 PM
@KasmirKhaan about what?
 
@LeakyNun manifolds leaky !
 
on what course does one read about manifolds?
the manifolds course...
 
-.-
we dont have such thing in our uni
@LeakyNun anyway leaky !
 
@LeakyNun I have a quick concept based question if you allow ...
 
kas gotta finish his HWs
see you soon if u still here :)
 
11:16 PM
wont reply. Never mind. Leave it
 
@LeakyNun Why not?
 
Bob
Here is a post of mine for somebody who is good in statistics: math.stackexchange.com/questions/2955619/…
 
I would have deleted mine if I saw you deleted yours :(
 
It's basically $\dfrac{x-2}{(x-2)(x+2)^2}$
So x = 2 is not in domain.
So after cancelling (x-2)s from numerator and denominator, the value corresponding to x = 2 should be removed from the range.
But answer key gives the answer to be (b).
Have I got my concepts wrong? Or is the answer key erroneous?
Could anyone kindly help? Thanks.
 
Bob
11:27 PM
I think they expect the students to factor the denominator and then cancel the x-2 term.
 
@Bob I have factored it. See the first line of my attempt.
@Bob Please also read the third line of my approach carefully once. Thanks.
PS: My answer is (c)
 
Bob
where is your post?
 
4 mins ago, by Abcd
It's basically $\dfrac{x-2}{(x-2)(x+2)^2}$
Starting here^
That's my attempt.
I haven't posted the question on main.
 
Bob
So we have: $\frac{1}{(x+2)^2}
 
Please at least try to understand my point
4 mins ago, by Abcd
So after cancelling (x-2)s from numerator and denominator, the value corresponding to x = 2 should be removed from the range.
5 mins ago, by Abcd
So x = 2 is not in domain.
x = 2 is not in domain
 
Bob
11:31 PM
I understand your point but I have a feeling most high school math teachers would not agree with it
 
meh
 
Bob
is this high school math? or is this math?
 
High School
But its competitive maths.
 
Bob
therefore, once you cancel I am thinking x = 2 is in the domain
 
things dont come in domain just like that.
 
Bob
11:32 PM
They did when I went to high school.
Do you think I am wrong?
 
yes
 
Bob
well your reasoning makes sense
 
11:46 PM
Why must we have this \int_0^{2\pi}e^{ig(t)}e^{it}\,dt=2\,\pi\,e^{i\alpha}
for some \alpha\in[0,2\,\pi) for the following question: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/104396/continuous-function-on-the-unit-circle-must-be-c-barz
 
@Abcd $\dfrac1{(-6+2)^2} = \dfrac1{16}$
 
@LeakyNun yes, got it. Thanks. But please avoid being rude.
 
I see
@MikeMiller as you see, I didn't delete my message
 

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