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12:38 AM
@Vrouvrou does every open set containing 1 contain other points of that sequence?
 
 
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1:50 AM
Does all math have to start in the middle? Let's say you had no mathematical literacy. Could you learn arithmetic formally? Like, would you start with formal logic that never depended on doing basic arithmetic and build up from there? (i.e. you can't say anything about a set's cardinality or do any proofs involving basic arithmetic in them without first defining that arithmetic).
I remember a while back reading a paper about the proof that you can divide by 3, and it made me seriously consider just how arduous such a task really would be.
 
@Axoren I suppose that, in principle, one could start from the axioms and work one's way up, but I cannot see what there is to gain in doing so.
 
@XanderHenderson I don't doubt that it would be an inefficient endeavor. Teaching children axiomatically that 3 comes after 2 has worked for centuries. However, it seems like there's spaces between knowing nothing about math and knowing the topics taught in elementary school that get lost.
 
Well, yes, but I don't see what a foundational, axiomatic approach from kindergarten on up would do to help that situation.
 
Not only that, but would you even be able to teach someone enough formal logic to be able to realistically define arithmetic?
 
Indeed, it would likely make it worse.
 
1:57 AM
Like, is it possible to do that?
 
Possible to do what?
 
If $\Delta$ABC is a triangle with sides $a$,$b$ and$c$ and satisfies $a^2+b^2=c^2$. then $\Delta$ABC is right triangle. I am not getting the counter. I think the statement is true. How to prove it? Please give hints.
 
Start mathematics from $\mathsf{ZFC}$ and just work your way up?
Or teach kindergarteners formal arithmetic form day one?
I don't see any reasonable way to start in kindergarten, as the students will (1) lack the cognitive tools to understand what you are doing and (2) lack the background and intuition to understand why you are doing it.
Now, suppose that you had a fully formed adult who had, somehow, grown up in a vacuum and never once been exposed to a single mathematical idea.
It seems possible that you could take that tabula rasa and work with it, but that is an entirely made-up situation.
 
What I could maybe see as useful would be presenting algebra in terms of "you can use these rules and no others"
i.e. getting students to think in a very step-by-step way about how to solve a simple equation
 
@Semiclassical Maybe, but there is still a question of motivation.
 
2:02 AM
yeah
 
Why do it that way? Where is the intuition?
 
I have in mind this: algebragamification.com
which is in turn inspired from a Terry Tao post I remember reading
 
The usual model is to do things in a hand-wavy and informal way to build intuition, then slowly layer on the rigour
 
Hi all! Given two complex valued polynomials $p(z) = a_n z^n + \ldots + a_0$ and $q(z) = b_n z^n + \ldots + b_0$, if $|a_k| \geq |b_k|$ for all $k$, then is it true that $|p(z)| \geq |q(z)|$ for all $z \in \C$? My gut feeling is that is that it is true, but I'm having difficulty proving it's true even for the $n=1$ case in which I'm trying to show that $|a_1 z + a_0 | \geq | b_1 z + b_0|$ using the triangle inequality. I'd like to use this result in a proof involving Rouche's theorem later...
 
For example, the typical career for most of the students that I work with is probably something like AP Calculus (which is really just a class where they learn recipes), College Calculus (the words "epsilon" and "delta" might appear, but are not vital), "Advanced" Calculus or Undergrad Real Analysis (finally, something approaching rigour), followed by graduate topology, measure theory, and various specialized analysis classes (bend over, guys; here comes the RIGOR!)
 
2:06 AM
My first instinct would be to write that as $|q(z)/p(z)|\leq 1$ and use maximum modulus, but who knows where the roots of p(z) are
 
At each step of the process, we can build rigor onto a framework of intuition which has already been developed, hence it is possible to motivate the kinds of arguments that are going to be made.
 
@Poptart hmm, I wonder if that's actually true since you can always pick $z$ to be one of the roots of $p(z)$
in which case the only way for the inequality to be valid is if $q(z)$ vanishes as well...but if they have the same roots, they're the same polynomial up to an overall constant
In which case, I think the easy counterexample is just $p(z)=z-1$ and $q(z)=z$.
 
Oh right...
Should tested out the conjecture before I tried to go for a proof... thank you for the insight on approaches to the problem before disproving though!!
 
heh, no worries
 
 
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4:39 AM
@Semiclassical Hi ! :)
 
 
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6:00 AM
@LeakyNun for example $]\frac{1}{2},1]$ contain only $v_1=1$ so 1 is not a limit
 
Is there any way to see all my posts on this chatroom??
@Semiclassical
 
use the search feature in the upper right
do a blank search, and when you get to the search page change it to only search your username
hrm, no, I guess that doesn't work
 
6:17 AM
I just search every letter of the alphabet and also type your username. That can grab 70-90% of the posts
They really need to implement this search all message by username, otherwise it's hell to crawl through the whole chat to find relevant posts
Currently, my workaround is bookmarks and also storing links in my 3 chat rooms
Btw I am currently at 2015 13 April because of that
 
6:36 AM
Are $a=1$ and $b=0$ the only solutions for $a^b=1$?
 
@Semiclassical, @Secret, see this
@Twink $2^0=1=1^{9523}$
 
7:24 AM
@Vrouvrou so you just answered your own question
 
Can someone convince me why $Tp(\partial M)$ is of cxdimension one? (Tangent space of a boundary). All I read from Lee is that for any open set around a $p \in M$, its tangent space $T_p(U) \sim \mathbb{R}^n$. I don't see how this implies it has cxdimension one.
 
7:36 AM
Let $X$ be a collection of $k$ double points, and $I_X(d)$ the subspace of all homogenous polynomial through $X$, that is with all first partial derivatives vanishing at the points of $X$. In general, do we know $\dim(I_X(d)$?
 
actually nvm i got it
its because Partial M is a (n-1) dim manifold in the first place
 
 
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9:13 AM
why does collatz conjecture attract so many crazy people
 
2 ez to state
 
9:29 AM
Yeah, there is a reason the only open problems which actually require some proper math to state and which attract cranks are the ones with big money prizes
I am not aware of even a single crank attempt at Lusztig's conjectures for example.
 
10:17 AM
If I say "We count up to (N+1)" does that include N+1 in my counting or not?
 
 
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11:33 AM
Is this true: Riemann Stieltjes integral, if exists for one monotonically increasing $g$, then it exists for any other monotonically increasing $g'$?
 
12:25 PM
I wonder if the map $f:S^2\to\Bbb R^9$ given by $v\mapsto vv^\top$ (that is, $\begin{bmatrix}x\\y\\z\end{bmatrix}\mapsto \begin{bmatrix}x^2&xy&xz\\ xy&y^2&yz\\ xz&yz&z^2 \end{bmatrix}$) is anything approaching an isometry. (It looks like an embedding of $\rm\Bbb RP^2$ in (a five-dimensional subspaces of) $\Bbb R^9$.)
($x^2+y^2+z^2=1$)
It seems the image of a vector $w\in T_vS^2$ is $vw^\top+wv^\top\in T_{vv^\top}{\rm im}(f)$
under the map $df_v$
 
I think you just wrote down an elaborate form of the Veronese embedding (which is an embedding of RP^2 in RP^5)
 
@Semiclassical christ look at the abstract for Friday's colloquium math.utk.edu/colloquium
 
(You mean a six dimensional subspace of $\Bbb R^9$; that pushes down to a five dimensional projective space)
 
The domain isn't all of $\Bbb R^3$; it's just $S^2$.
 
Ah.
 
12:36 PM
Does ${\rm tr}(AB)={\rm tr}(BA)$ still work when $A$ and $B$ are different sizes?
If so: I think it's not an isometry, but $f/\sqrt2$ is.
(That is, $df$ is a dilation.)
 
How are you defining trace of nonsquare matrices
 
@BalarkaSen Presumably this is for the case where both products are square (not but if the same size necessarily)
 
oh, both products.
 
And yes, those do have the same trace (the products even have the same eigenvalues up to adding some zeroes)
 
Gotcha.
It's easy to see that from writing down the trace explicitly, yeah
 
12:45 PM
@BalarkaSen did you see the YSYL
 
I did
'Twas good
 
croaking blyat killed me
 
I also liked the high pitched blyat in Sive's meme
Russians are too good man
 
@BalarkaSen Alexa: I find western spy
 
I like how our boi switched back to his 2016 scumbag look
 
12:50 PM
me too
the beard never looked good
was too pubic-esque
 
real viking beard dawg
 
1:10 PM
@0celo7 huh. That's probably a math talk I'd attend
some of that stuff I can sorta understand right off the bat, like "the invariance of a Gibbs measure associated to an infinite dimension Hamiltonian system"
which basically sounds like it should be "yay for stat mech"
it's basically just the same as saying that, for a system at temperature $T$, the probability (density) of the system being in a state of energy $E$ should be proportional to $e^{-E/T}$
that works for finite systems, anyways. for infinite-dimensional systems it seems one needs to generalize that appropriately
the details on the wiki page for it looks pretty tedious to me, but the impetus is sensible enough: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbs_measure
so formal stat mech stuff
 
@Semiclassical I was complaining because it sounds way too technical for a colloquium talk
 
I don’t mind because it’s my field, but I imagine attendance will be low
 
well, that's possible
I'd probably dig it, but it's plausible I'm the exception
 
You probably don’t know what Strichartz estimates are then :P
 
1:21 PM
no, but that's just one part of the talk
 
I hope it’ll be good. It seems very ambitious
Also I would hope you go to the second talk on Tuesday
 
that's from 2010, but judging from the slides it's not that far off (including Strichartz)
 
2 hours ago, by Silent
Is this true: Riemann Stieltjes integral, if exists for one monotonically increasing $g$, then it exists for any other monotonically increasing $g'$?
 
@0celo7 nah, who wants to hear about mathematical GR :P
(yes, I know that's your seminar. good luck)
For my part the math talk I want to attend today is one on applied random matrix theory
we'll see what definition of 'applied' it uses :P
 
I’m going to the topology seminar because I know the people presenting. It’s more of an obligation at this point
And a good way to procrastinate
 
1:30 PM
ugh, i know how that goes
 
I should start looking at the physics colloquium list and try to get some people to go with me
 
Good luck with that.
 
There’s lots of people who like physics, but are they motivated enough to go to the colloquium
 
yeah
the amount of cross-talk between math/physics at our uni seems pretty minimal
which is...goofy
we're back to being in adjacent buildings since the move
 
It’s exactly zero here
 
1:32 PM
yeah
 
The physics department is all hep
Experimental hep
 
hmm
yeah, that creates some issues
 
It makes sense given the location
Oak Ridge and all
There’s a bunch of computational people too but I’m not a part of that world
 
right
 
Yikes. Maybe I won’t be going
That’s like legit experimental stuff
 
1:37 PM
oh, lol, that first one
I've seen a book written by that author
so I'd probably have enjoyed it
looks like the schedule is almost up tho
 
@Semiclassical there’s like 2 weeks left in the semester
 
yeah, i guess that's right
they don't seem to have a master list for seminars across all groups, which is annoying
 
Yeah unlike the math department
 
but yeah, the seminars I do see there seem pretty blah
 
@0celo7,
18 mins ago, by Silent
2 hours ago, by Silent
Is this true: Riemann Stieltjes integral, if exists for one monotonically increasing $g$, then it exists for any other monotonically increasing $g'$?
 
1:43 PM
Probably not, do you think that’s true?
 
@0celo7, is this reasoning of mine correct: for $g(x)=0$, the riemann stieltjis integral holds for each finction f and, it is 0. But we know that some functions are not riemann integrable, hence...
 
Lol yeah
 
thank u!
 
did someone tell you this is true?
As stated it’s obviously not
 
@0celo7 about which statement u talking?
 
1:49 PM
The original claim
 
no, no. That just popped in my head :)
 
Oh ok
 
2:14 PM
Is there some intuitive interpretation of multiplying a unit vector of the form $e^{i \theta}$ by another unit vector, say $(1, 0)^T$? I was reading about phasors and phase vectors, but I am not sure...
 
How are you thinking of $e^{i\theta}$ as a vector?
$(\cos\theta,\sin\theta)^T$?
 
Yes, I suppose is the only way to interpret it as a vector. I initially was not thinking of it as a vector, but then I heard a person calling it a "phase vector"...
It's a vector in the complex plane
Effectively, it represents a vector, because of Euler's formula.
 
maybe some of you can know the answer
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2:31 PM
@AkivaWeinberger Have you ever heard of Monge's theorem?
It says that if you have three circles on the plane, if you draw the three cones with the common (external) tangents of each of the three pairs of the circles, then the vertex of those three cones are colinear
Mind-blowing proof: Think of the picture as a section of the same scenario with three 2-spheres and cones tangential to three pairs of them.
Think of the two planes that are tangential to the three spheres from "above" and "below". These are itself tangential to the cones. That means the vertex points of the cones lie on the intersection of these two planes.
That's the line.
 
That has a very Desargues theorem feeling to it
 
Yeah it can be proved as using Desargues' theorem
Or it can be Desargued, as one might say
 
Desargues also has a 3D proof
 
Oh?
 
@BalarkaSen ...
 
2:40 PM
I should learn projective geometry soon. Maybe I'll spend tonight learning that shite.
 
You think about the three lines from the centre of perspective through the vertices of the triangles as the legs of a tripod
and intersect the planes the two triangles are contained in
 
Ahhhh, that's exactly the same proof.
The axis of perspective is just the intersection of the two sides of the tetrahedron
Sorry, I mean, intersection of the base of the tetrahedron and the plane containing the section of it (that corresponds to the other triangle)
 
Right
The professor showed us this proof while doing some projective geometry in my first year in uni, many minds (mine included) were blown in that lecture!
 
Pretty damn cool
This man blew his eyes out when finding this proof
Hm, probably Desargues found a more concrete proof in the context of Euclidean geometry
 
2:56 PM
@BalarkaSen this sounds like Dandelin
 
3:08 PM
@BalarkaSen Yeah, I've heard of it (and that proof). Do note that the two planes you mentioned don't always exist
 
3:24 PM
@BalarkaSen You can also think of the three circles in the plane as a perspective drawing of three unit spheres in space. (The smaller circles are just farther away spheres.) For each pair of spheres, create the cylinder tangent to them; this becomes the pair of tangent lines in the drawing. Then you can draw the plane through the spheres' center; the line in the drawing is the "horizon" of that plane.
 
How does this chat keep coming up with stuff that I’ve never heard of but apparently you all have
But the stuff I know very well never shows up
Hmm
 
Because you like stuff that nobody else likes (namely analysis)
 
Analysis is ok, it's just I cannot handle more than 3 inequalities in one single line
which is why I am never qualified enough to ramble about it
 
@BalarkaSen 3D generalization of Monge's theorem: consider four spheres of distinct radii in space, and for each pair of spheres construct the cones tangent to them. Then the vertices of those six cones are coplanar.
 
If I can up my functional analysis a bit, I will expect myself to spam the chat with functional analysis because it is very interesting (especially for infinite operators)
but right now, I don't even have enough knwoledge to knew whether I am making sense
 
3:35 PM
@AlessandroCodenotti I should have never revealed my secrets to you, traitor!
 
Well I do like some kind of analysis
 
what kinds?
 
Measure theory and functional analysis are cool, but stuff like PDE is awful in my opinion
 
PDE is alright to me because they make pretty diagrams
 
That’s not a very nice thing to say
 
3:38 PM
Well they are also interesting in an algebraic perspective, such as how the solution curves behave in method of (I forgot the name) used in solving quasilinear PDEs
The most interesting PDEs are of coruse the nonlinear ones, but they are hard to solve even numerically. We computational chemists deal with these on a daily basis
thus there is quite a bit of overlap between PDEs and numerical analysis
IMO, combinitorics is a lot more tedious than other fields of mathematics, cause even if you know what's going on, it still involve a bit tedious counting of some sorts
 
@0celo7 analysis and PDEs are lame and for nerds
 
and that's one reason I tend to be silent when the chat asks about combinatorics questions, because my computation is stuck in counting mode
 
@EricSilva you’re disinvited
Sucks cuz you bought tix
 
if you have an ellipse and you draw its tangents of slope i and -i, and look at their intersection points, can you guess what real points you obtain this way ?
 
3:44 PM
Meanwhile, for number theory, well, it has some rules... they are just hard to master. I am starting to get that number theory is basically about decomposing numerical expressions
 
@0celo7 it is important to note i never denied being both lame and a nerd
 
But you called me a lame nerd, which is treason
 
PDEs are only nice when they're over the complex numbers
 
@mercio there are always 4 such intersections, since there's a pair of lines with these slope each?
 
yep but some of those points are not real
 
3:47 PM
@0celo7 idk about treason
 
It’s my body, my rules
I say it’s treason
 
I don't know if there is an elegant way to approach that, but for me I just grab an random ellipse $x^2/a^2 + y^2 / b^2 = c^2$, plot the equation for all its intersection points of said tangents, and then solve for those where the imaginary part are zero, so at least 4 simuutaneous equations
 
i owe u no allegiance
i am my own master
 
Geometrically, assuming the ellipses are not tilted in some way, then there should be some relationships between the ratio of its major and minor radius with where the points are intersecting in the x axis or something, but I might need to think more about it
This is based on the intuition of a real ellipse, the intersection of two lines of slopes m and -m are going to form a parallelogram that circumscribe the ellipse if I recall
 
"assuming the ellipses are not tilted" kehehehehehe
 
3:53 PM
@mercio t i l t e d
 
@0celo7 in other news im kind of hoping sougi will let me pivot into just doing an mcf project under him lol
 
Well, in theory the tilted case can be handled by introducing a suitable sheer rotation mapping to the system of tangent lines and ellipse, but my brain is a bit tired to think of that scenario atm
 
apropos of nothing, some phd-comics strips are not so much funny as they are true:
 
for this problem, rotations are nicer than the horrible sheer mappings of evilness
 
@Semiclassical I never ran into that kind of problem when I ask "how's research going"
 
3:57 PM
I more have the second one in mind tbh
 
@Semiclassical if you couldnt laugh at your misery then you would just be miserable at it i guess
embrace the void
 
another grad student asking you out of the blue "so when're you going to finish your thesis" is definitely rude imo
 
in fact, I don't understand why it is not acceptable (unless the PhD have already wrote up their thesis)

As for the second one, I can relate to that, i don't think it is necessary to ask when someone will finish their thesis
 
@EricSilva like I said, he has a paper on it with Evans
 
yeah he told me about it
i think he also did an MCF with random noise thing
 
4:03 PM
nice
I forget what an MCF is
mean curvature flw?
 
yes
 
Motion of grain boundary in an alloy
 
nice
that sounds like something I'd be able to appreciate in terms of setup, if not in execution
 
to me the grain boundary stuff are just buzzwords so scientists dont look at me funny
 
eh, I sorta know what a grain boundary is
 
4:07 PM
@EricSilva I was joking
I do t think anyone cares about that interpretation
 
it is the thing at the beginning of every intro lecture/book/what have you on mcf tho
 
For tradition. No one says anything more than that
 
huisken said something about GR on some youtube lectures i found
 
That’s what I’m working on, but it’s completely nonphysical.
 
how so
 
4:10 PM
It’s a mathematical tool, it doesn’t reflect anything happening physically.
 
(mind you i know nothing about GR cause im not that far into Wald or Dirac)
ah ok
 
@EricSilva There’s an old theorem/conjecture by Brian White that if you take a surface repping a nontrivial homology class, and flow it by MCF, you end up with a minimal surface. Something like that. A lot of MCF in GR is based on ideas like that.
But there’s no MCF happening physically.
 
This is the idea huisken expressed in the lecture I was talking about
 
And then focus on the condition where given fixed A, the 4 pairs of coordinates (represented as position vectors) map to the x axis
 
4:21 PM
@EricSilva Trying to prove this conjecture in the Lorentzian setting seems to be extremely hard.
 
that should in theory work if we made the identification $a+bi \to (a,b)$
So given an arbitrary warped ellipse, solve for the unique A that maps the standard ellipse to it, and then take $A^{-1}$ to find where the intersections would have been
 
o. .o
 
so basically, find the A that transform back from the warped ellipse to the standard ellipse, solve the intersections there, and the transform back
 
shouldn't you have an equation somewhere relating k,m,a,b and c ?
but wouldn't that change the slope of the tangent ?
 
Hey guys, could someone tell me if i have a relation between $||\widehat{u}||_{L^2}$ and $||u||_{L^2}$? i know about Plancherel, but Plancherel tells me the relation with the $l^2$ norm. Hope u can help me. $\widehat{u}$ is the fourier transform
 
4:29 PM
the slope should in theory be modelled by a vector, but I have not figure out how it will be affected under the map A. I have an equation that relates m with a,b. I guess the hardest problem is to find the $(x_0, y_0)$ that gives the required slope $m$
o wait a sec.., it seems I can just plug $(x_0,y_0)$ and the given slope $m$ directly into the equation for $y'$ by $y' \to n$, $(x,y) \to (x_0,y_0)$ and then after rearranging it gives the equation of the tangent directly. I still need to figure out how to get $k$ though, let me think...
 
@AlekMurt wot, Plancherel for Fourier transform tells you about the L^2 norm
 
@mercio The f---?
 
smart move
 
did you figure it out ? o..o'
 
so... I got the relation between m, a,b, x,y but I am still trying to get k
the above equation is such that, given y' = m, all the (x,y) that satisfy it will be obtained
the problem is to split that up into two lines so we can query about the intersections
 
4:39 PM
that equation doesn't give you the points where the line are tangents yet
 
I didn't but it was a weird question
"Slope i" just felt weird in my mind
 
it's the best slope
 
Wait, the slope is complex, then I cannot just treat that as an xy plane problem because I will need the complex multiplication structure in order for the slope to multiply correctly...
 
I'm not sure what you mean with multiplying the slope correctly
or xy plane
just treat it as an algebraic problem
 
The geometric intuition I have is treating it as an $\Bbb{R}^2$ vector space problem, which need the slope to be real for it to work out (otherwise under that correspondance, you will have slope i mapped to the vector (0,1) which makes no sense when you multiply them
Ok, trying out algebraic approach...
 
4:45 PM
you can pretend that m is a real number until you find all the points, then plug m=i and check (or know in advance) which one are going to be real
 
5:11 PM
ok I give up, it's too late and my brain is not functioning
while I now have the explicit form of the y intercept and slope, i have yet to figure out the way the rotation matrix relates to the new rotated ellipse
 
uh are you sure you are not using w0 for 2 different things
 
@0celo7 what additional difficulties does it present
 
5:27 PM
o wait yes, there should be 4 different $w_0$... but it's too late now in aust, I cannot think anymore
 
5:51 PM
@EricSilva the "minimal surface equation" is much worse
 
ah ok
 
also the right objects are codimension 2
so you lose a lot of control
2-surface in a 4-manifold
@EricSilva So part of my summer project is to try to reprove some results of Brian White for this situation using estimates produced by Schoen-Yau and my professor in her JDG paper that I will send you when it gets published.
 
@0celo7 In functional analysis what is $Q(T)$
Is it the range of $(Tx,x)$ over $\|x\|=1$ or something
 
Hi, I have a metric space $X$ and the usual definition of convergence of sequences with the $\varepsilon, n$ definition. I understand why this is equivalent to saying that every $\varepsilon$-neighborhood contains all but finitely many terms of the sequence. But how can I argue, that this is true iff every neighborhood contains finitely many terms (not $\varepsilon$-neighborhood anymore)?
 
Problem: If $S,T : X \to \Bbb{R}$ are bounded linear functionals s on some normed linear space $X$ that agree on a dense subset $D \subseteq X$, then $S=T$ on $X$. Proof: Let $x \in X$ and $\epsilon > 0$, and let $M_T > 0$ and $M_S > 0$ be upper bounds for $T$ and $S$, respectively. Then there exist $d \in D$ such that $||x-d|| < \epsilon$. Hence $$|S(x)-T(x)| \le |T(x-d)| + |S(d-x)| \le M_S ||x-d|| + M_T ||x-d|| < \epsilon (M_S + M_T).$$ Letting $\epsilon \to 0^+$, we conclude that $S(x)=T(x)$.
 
5:55 PM
A neighborhood being a set containing some $\varepsilon$-neighborhood
 
How does that sound?
 
@0celo7 cool
 
@philmcole So you are proving an iff. Which direction is trivial?
 
@TobiasKildetoft For me none but I guess the easier is $\varepsilon$-nbh -> general nbh
 
@philmcole Think of general nbh as a bigger set, so it is easier for such a subset to contain many elements from the sequence
 
6:00 PM
yeah
but the other way around?
 
@philmcole so now you have shown that if it holds for all epsilon-nbh then it also holds for all nbh, right?
(this was in fact not the trivial direction)
for the other direction: It holds for all nbh's. An epsilon-nbh is in particular a nbh
 
Okay thanks I'll try it!
 
@AkivaWeinberger what context?
@AkivaWeinberger Without more context I'd have to say it's the form domain of $T$.
See Section VIII.6 in Reed and Simon 1.
 
6:17 PM
@AkivaWeinberger hello, i want to study the continuity $f(x)=\begin{cases}0,~\text{if}~ x<0\\ x^2+1,~\text{if}~ x\geq0$ where $f:(\mathbb{R},\sigma)\to (\mathbb{R},|.|)$ $\sigma$ is the co-finite topology, i say let $x<0$ then $f(x)=0$, let $W=]-\varepsilon,+\varepsilon[$ how to find $f^{-1}(]-\varepsilon,+\varepsilon[)$ please ?
 
Anyone care to take a quick look at the proof I wrote above?
 
6:29 PM
Is $a^b=1$ iff $a=1$ or $b=0$?
 
@Twink depends on what values you allow
 
$\Bbb R$
How to find $\sqrt[3]{9+4 \sqrt{5}}$?
 
6:45 PM
then there is also $(-1)^n$ for all even $n$.
find in what way?
 
like the sum of numbers
I was thinking to use the general binomial theorem
 
no idea what you mean. It is just some real number, so I am not sure what other form you want it on
 
I want to find that $\sqrt[3]{9+4 \sqrt{5}}=\frac{3}{2}+\frac{\sqrt{5}}{2}$
but find it, not prove it..
maybe I could do something like this youtube.com/watch?v=h_-W4nqy-yY
but it's strange :S
I think I'll get a series
 
it's easy, you take your calculator and look at $(9+4\sqrt 5)^{1/3}+(9-4\sqrt 5)^{1/3}$, you find it's $3$ so it gives you the $3/2$ part and then the $\sqrt 5/2$ part is just a matter of making the cube root work out
 
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