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11:11 AM
Is it true that, if $A$ is a subset of group $G$ and contains a non-identity element, then for centralizer and normalizer, this holds: $C_G(A)=C_G(A-\{e\})$ and $N_G(A)=N_G(A-\{e\})$ where $e$ is identity element of $G$?
 
yes
 
thank you!
 
 
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12:41 PM
@TobiasKildetoft the highest weight of the usual $\mathbb C^n$ module is just $\lambda = \epsilon_1$, right?
 
@anakhronizein yeah
 
And for the dual representation, is it $-\epsilon_n$?
Well all I know is that $\dim (V^*)_\lambda = \dim V_{-\lambda}$ so I am actually not too sure on that one.
 
well, what is the highest weight vector in the dual?
 
Well the weight spaces look like $V_\lambda = \{f\in V^*\mid \forall v\in V\,.\,f(e_{i,i}v) = a_i f(v)\}$ where $\lambda = \sum a_i\epsilon_i$...
I thought it was the nth linear functional in the dual basis.
But I think that is wrong.
 
So you want an element that is killed by all the strictly upper triangular matrices
 
12:49 PM
killed with respect to the dual representation action, right?
 
Which I guess just boils down to finding which 1xn matrix kills an upper triangular matrix?
Which would have to be [1,0,...,0]?
Or some multiple.
Oh, no nevermind
 
So you want a linear map whose kernel contains the image of the strictly upper triangular matrices
 
[0,...,0,1]
This one works, doesn't it? Because if $A$ is upper triangular, then the columns of $A$ always have 0's in the last entry.
 
What does that notation mean? We are looking at linear maps now
 
12:53 PM
Sorry, I am thinking as matrices.
So if $\{\bar{e_1},\dotsc,\bar{e_n}\}$ is the basis for $\mathbb C^n$, then we take the $f_n$ in the dual basis such that $f_n(\bar{e_n}) = 1$.
 
Is that right? It does kill them.
 
Right
So is this a weight vector, and what is the weight in that case?
 
So now the weight which corresponds to it is $\lambda = \sum_i a_i\epsilon_i$ where $f\cdot e_{i,i} = a_i f$.
Where $f$ is this $f_n$
But that's 0 unless $i=n$
 
Why are you acting on the right?
 
1:00 PM
Sorry, my bad, I meant matrix multiplication by $\cdot.$
So $f$ as an $1\times n$ matrix, $e_{i,i}$ as the $n\times n$
 
Yeah, I think that is a bad idea for this.
 
It yields the wrong answer??
So the highest weight is not $\lambda = \epsilon_n$...
 
probably not, but it makes you not think about duals in the "correct" way
 
How should I be looking at it?
 
Well, $f$ is a linear map on the space, and we know how the algebra acts on it
 
1:02 PM
By transpose?
Well negative.
 
right. It is better to not think of everything as matrices, since this whole thing really works in the abstract
So we have $(e_{i,i}\cdot f)(v) = -f(e_{i,i}\cdot v)$.
 
$e_{i,i}\bullet f_n := - f_n^T e_{i,i}$
I see.
 
Now apply this with $v$ being standard basis elements to see what it looks like
 
So $e_{i,i}\cdot \bar{e}_j = \delta_{ij}e_i$, right.
 
Hello
 
1:06 PM
So $(e_{i,i}\cdot f)(\bar{e}_j) = - \delta_{ij}f(\bar{e}_i) = -\delta_{ij}$.
 
if i need to study complex analysis, then what are the prerequisite
Real analysis? Calc 1,2,3? are there other topics
 
Ick, my first one broke.
And now I can't edit it, heh.
 
@KingTut IMO you'll only need elementry analysis, convergence, connectedness etc etc.
 
Oh well. I get $\lambda = \sum_j -\delta_{in}\epsilon_i = -\epsilon_n$.
 
@shobhit ok thanks!
 
1:10 PM
Granted my TeX skills need work since now that I read what I wrote, it's riddled with msitakes.
But the conclusion (assuming you take my work modulo typographical mistakes) is correct, @TobiasKildetoft ?
 
@anakhronizein Yes, that looks right
 
Right, so as it relates to showing the standard C^n module is not necessarily self-dual, I am guessing there exists some theorem that says that isomorphic $gl_n$-modules have the same highest-weights (when they exist)?
 
yes
In fact, that is a very easy thing to show. The hard thing is to show that irreducible reps with the same highest weight are isomorphic
 
I assume it follows from the weight space decomposition, and then you look at the action of the representation on these spaces?
 
which direction?
The easy direction is just noting that an isomorphism sends highest weight vectors to highest weight vectors of the same highest weight
 
1:20 PM
@AkivaWeinberger well it's obvious if you use the origami
 
Oh yes you are right that is easy, @TobiasKildetoft
I will write this down to make sure I get everything. Thanks for your help!
 
The other direction is more involved. The way I know is by considering Verma modules.
 
Let $f \in M^{+}(X, \bf X)$, let $(E_{n})$ be a sequence of disjoint sets in $\bf X$ and define $$f_{n}= \sum_{k=1}^n f \chi_{E_{k}}$$ then i can see that $(f_{n})$ is an increasing sequence but how does it imply that $(f_{n})$ converges to $f \chi_{E}$, where $E = \cup_{n \in N} E_{n}$, where $f \in M^{+}(X, \bf X)$ means $f$ is a non-negative real valued $\bf X$- measurable function from $X$.
 
I have never heard of Verma modules, @TobiasKildetoft, is it worth looking into? Is there any good reference that touches on them?
 
@anakhronizein Humphreys covers all of this (though he considers semisimple algebras, the jump to the general linear one is not a major one)
 
1:30 PM
His intro to Lie algebras book?
 
got it, nvm
 
@anakhronizein Yeah
 
@TobiasKildetoft is it true that $H_n(X,A) = H_n(X/A)$?
 
I will have a look, thanks!
 
@LeakyNun In what sort of context?
 
1:39 PM
@TobiasKildetoft relative singular homology
 
no idea then
 
ok thanks
 
Looked into excision, @LeakyNun?
 
looking
 
When trying to find all left inverses of a matrix can one use the transpose to find all left inverses of the transpose matrix? For example, to find $X$ which satisfies $XA=I$

$$\begin{bmatrix}
x_{11}&x_{12}&x_{13}\\x_{21}&x_{22}&x_{23}
\end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix}
2&1\\-1&2\\3&1
\end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix}
1&0\\0&1
\end{bmatrix}$$

Can I instead find $X^T$ which satisfies $A^T X^T = I$ (since $I^T=I$)

$$
\begin{bmatrix}
2&-1&3\\1&2&1
\end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix}
x_{11}&x_{21}\\x_{12}&x_{22}\\x_{13}&x_{23}
 
1:52 PM
@philmcole sure
 
I tried it and got

$$ X^T = \begin{bmatrix}
2/5&3/5\\-1/5&1/5\\0&0 \end{bmatrix} + t \begin{bmatrix} 9&0\\3&0\\-5&0\end{bmatrix} + s \begin{bmatrix} 0&9\\0&3\\0&-5\end{bmatrix}$$

but when I transpose it to get $X$ it seems to be wrong...
 
9 3 -5 should be wrong
 
Even if, setting $t,s=0$ is a valid solution right. But that doesnt work either.
Concretely,

$$ \begin{bmatrix} 2/5&-1/5&0\\3/5&1/5&0 \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix}
2&1\\-1&2\\3&1
\end{bmatrix} \neq \begin{bmatrix}
1&0\\0&1
\end{bmatrix}$$
 
you forgot to transpose the first matrix
@philmcole also the first matrix here is wrong anyway
3/5 and 1/5 should be wrong
 
mmm ok I'll check
 
2:03 PM
so $D^n/\partial D^n \cong \partial D^{n+1}$
 
2:39 PM
@PrithiviRaj Hey man !
 
I think reduced homology is much more natural than non-reduced homology
why do we care about the latter and pretend that the former is an ad-hoc addition of degree map to the latter?
 
@Semiclassical Hi ! Would you advice me how to start with that ?
@Semiclassical I see the second equation given to me represents a circle . Does the first one just lies at a distance of 12 units from the origin on the real axis ?
 
Not sure why you're mentioning the real axis here for the first one
context:
in The h Bar, 8 mins ago, by Tanuj
If $|z_1|=12$ and $|z_2-3i-4|=5$ , then what is the minimum value of $|z_1-z_2|$ , $z_1$ and $z_2$ are complex numbers
 
@Semiclassical oh yea , my bad , it need not be purely real. So how do I do it diagramatically then ?
 
Right. So what does |z_1|=12 represent geometrically?
 
2:51 PM
@Semiclassical Ahhh , a circle with centre as origin and radius of 12 units.
 
Right.
The second is also a circle but centered elsewhere and with radius 5.
 
@Semiclassical yea , but uhm , how do I solve it then /
 
One convenient thing to note is that the point $3i+4$ is a distance 5 from the origin
which means that the second circle passes through the origin.
Have you drawn what those two circles look like?
 
@LeakyNun Thanks, I found the mistake in the calculation and now it works!
 
@philmcole nice
 
2:57 PM
@Semiclassical yes I have , but how do I proceed ahead ?
 
well, what's the geometric meaning of the quantity $|z_1-z_2|$?
 
is anyone familiar with the extreme value theorem and its proof?
 
(For actual doing the computation by algebra/calculus, btw, I'd suggest writing $z_1=12e^{i\theta_1}$ and $z_2=3i+4+5e^{i\theta_2}$. Then plug this into $|z_1-z_2|^2$ and minimize using calculus.)
 
@Semiclassical distance between two points on the two circles ?
 
Right. So we want to find which pairs of points are closest together.
For that, we first should ask: Do the circles intersect?
Your drawing should tell you that much.
 
3:01 PM
@Semiclassical No , I don't think so
 
Correct.
(If they did, then that point of intersection would mean the smallest distance is zero and the problem would be pretty boring)
If you just eyeball your drawing, where do you think the closest points should be?
You should mark those two points and draw a line segment between them.
Let me know when you're done with that.
 
@Semiclassical that's fine , but I want to do it without exactly drawing all the stuff to scale
 
Sure. It doesn't need to be perfect by any means.
Main things are that you should have one big circle and one small circle, with the one feature of the small circle being that it passes through the center of the big circle.
(that last bit both helps with sketching and will be important in a moment)
 
@Semiclassical yes , done that bit. And I think the distance will be closest for the points in first quadrants somewhere
 
Okay. One thing you should note about the line segment you've drawn: What angle does it make, roughly speaking, with the two circles?
 
3:08 PM
@Semiclassical idk , where to measure angle from ? Is it necessary ?
 
it's relevant, yes. to be more precise about what I mean: take the prospective point on the outer circle, and draw the tangent line through that point
what angle does this tangent line make with the line segment?
 
no idea
 
Then you're not looking.
Draw it and see.
 
I don't understand why we need to consider subsequences of a function to talk about things like convergence
 
@user525966 for example?
 
3:17 PM
trying to prove the extreme value theorem
 
Hi
quick one
Give an indirect proof of the statement that if n is an integer, then n2 + 2 is not divisible by 4.
does a proof by contradiction works as an indirect proof?
it does
thank you
 
3:38 PM
Guys , can someone help me with this
How did they combine the two terms (in multiplication) on the left
 
That looks like a binomial theorem thing
 
Let $E$ be a closed bounded set and $A \subseteq E$ a Lebesgue measurable set. Is the indicator function on $A$ Riemann Integrable? I suspect it isn't.
 
Oh, wait. There's no actual summation going on there
 
which of my 2 calculations is correct (or neither)?
What is the probability that Billy, Barry, and Sylvia win the first, second, and third prizes, respectively, in a drawing contest if 200 artists who are generally thought to be as good as each other enter the contest and no one can win more than one prize? Show all the steps you followed to support your answers.

(1/200) * (1/199) * (1/198)

or

(3/200) * (2/199) * (1/198)
 
Just write out what $^{10}C_i$ and $^{20}C_{m-i}$ are in terms of factorials.
 
3:41 PM
@Semiclassical yea , and I did the previous question :)
 
what is the difference between "bounded" and "closed"?
 
Cool.
 
Are all 4 permutations possible? Bounded and open? Bounded and closed? Unbounded and open? Unbounded and closed?
 
@Semiclassical okay , I did and that doesn't sort things out
 
Show me.
 
3:42 PM
@Semiclassical just trust me I did , the latex is too cumbersome on this one ! :p
 
No. This is not a problem where 'trust me' is sufficient.
 
Lol okay
 
That said, I'm looking at the algebra myself and I'm not immediately seeing it either
 
@Semiclassical $$\dfrac{10!}{(10-i)!\cdot i!}\cdot\dfrac{20!}{(20-m+i)!\cdot(m-i)!}$$
 
@user525966 Yes, the two concepts are essentially unrelated
 
3:45 PM
I see no way of combining these
 
Something's weird, though
7 mins ago, by Tanuj
user image
That second inequality makes no sense to me. You can't exit a sum and have $i$ in it
$i$ only makes sense so long as $\sum_{i=0}^m$ is outside
 
What is bounded vs unbounded? Closed vs open?
 
So I'm really dubious.
 
@Semiclassical They just added both the subscripts and superscripts as we do in multiplication . Can this be taken as a rule here ?
 
if I have a graph, with a vertex that leaves itself to return back to itself (so in just a small circle) does that count as being an in degree and an out degree?
 
3:48 PM
Other weird point: what's with $i^*$ in the first binomial?
 
@WhatsThePoint Both
 
idk i is just a variable ig
 
:/
Also, they're not just adding the sub/superscripts
they're also getting rid of the summation at the same time
 
@TobiasKildetoft cheers
 
But again that makes the next step bizarre, since you absolutely positively cannot have $i$ in the expression without $\sum_{i=0}^m$
If I set aside the questionable writing, though
The first and last expressions actually are equal. It's an example of what's known as Vandermonde's identity
They're just using it without proof, it seems.
(there's a few proofs of it on the Wiki page)
 
3:55 PM
yea , got it , Thanks :)
 
4:10 PM
could somebody why there is a minus after =?
 
$d(\pi/2 - x) = -dx$
I'd work the integral out by multiplying numerator/denominator by $1 - \sin x$, btw.
 
@BalarkaSen thank you!
@BalarkaSen isn't it $d(\pi/2 - x) = -1$?
 
Derivative of $\pi/2 - x$ is $-1$. Not the "differential"
Remember that $df(x) = f'(x) dx$
2
 
in The h Bar, 2 mins ago, by Akash. B
Come on I am going impatient
f888 this s888!
 
4:34 PM
Isn't it true that $1_{\Bbb{Q} \cap [0,1]}$ is not Riemann Integrable over $[0,1]$?
 
thatis not riemann integrable, but I forgot how to prove it
 
Hey everyone
 
@Secret this, 100%
 
I could not understand the purpose of this exercise given here as lost on the moon. Can somebody help me on this?
 
@overexchange As a CS problem it seems like a non sequitor, yeah
My guess is that it was intended as a problem-solving exercise as a way to set the tone for how future problems should be approached
 
4:52 PM
@Semiclassical But I see this problem on internet
irrespective of CS related course
 
...yes? That’s consistent with what I just said.
 
Forgetting CS related course, what is this problem about?
why somebody discusses about this problem?
 
if $f \in L^2$, can I assume it has an antiderivative? would certainly make this proof easier...
 
because it forces you to think in detail about a possible scenario and goal, consider what resources you have access to, and make judgments as to the relative value of these resources
 
$L^2$ on $[0..1]$
 
Zee
4:58 PM
Absolutely not
 
damn
 
Zee
You can integrate it using the measure on the space but it’s not an anti derivative but the area under curve so to speak
 
I want to prove $\displaystyle \dfrac{\mathrm d}{\mathrm dx}\int_0^x f(t) \, \mathrm dt = f(x)$ if $f(0) = 0$
 
Zee
Can you write it without Latex ?
 
derivative WRT x of int f(t) dt from 0 to x = f(x) if f(0) = 0
 
Zee
5:00 PM
WRT?
 
with respect to
wait, oh, it's assumed
 
looks like Aptitude question - lost on the moon problem
for me
 
i dont know what that meanws but I think it's assumed in the question's hypotheses
 
Zee
Looks like it’s just Df
 
is it true if $f$ isn't continuous?
 
Zee
5:04 PM
What is the integral? Riemann or more general ?
 
well it's not an analysis course and analysis isnt a prereq, so it's Riemann
 
Zee
Wait , does f(x) = x?
 
not necessarily
it's just in $L^2([0..1]\to \mathbb R)$
square integrable
 
Breaking: h bar is currently at critical instability. I repeat: 10 mods are currently inside h bar
 
it has to be Riemann because that's all we talked about in the course
 
5:06 PM
all people are advised to remain as they are within the safety of the math chat for the moment being
 
Zee
Well the function has to be continuous, right?
or atleast piece wise
 
that's effectively what I'm asking, yes
and that's enough then by FTOC
 
Zee
Otherwise how do you take a riemanian integral ? And say it’s in L2
 
and continuous on closed bounded interval has antiderivative for sure
yeah it has to be implied by the question's hypotheses
otherwise it doesn't make sense
 
Zee
I suppose you need to show L2 implies L1
Idk if that’s even true
I think it’s true, atleast on that interval
How is L2 defined ?
Usually it’s the set of measurable functions but at your level they may have defined L2 to be the set of continoues functions that are square integralble
 
5:15 PM
it has to be, based on what we've learned in class, since this isn't an analysis class and analysis isnt a prereq
going to assume that
 
Zee
You need to see how the book defined L2 , they probably assumed the function is continoues
 
oh good call
okay the course is only using riemann integrals, that helps
and...
YES, we are assuming continuity
thanks Zee , good thinking
it wasn't a math question after all, just a semantics question
 
Zee
You are welcome
 
Is the Bézout's identity the only way to find the inverse of modulo efficiently?
I mean doing the Euclidean's algorithm backward and find that identity...
 
hm, good question Niing, lets see google
i've only done it that way
yes there is another way, and I did learn it but forgot it
euler's theorem:
$a^{\phi(m)} \equiv 1 \pmod m$, the euler-phi function
if you assume $a$ is invertible, you can divide both sides by $a$:
$a^{\phi(m) - 1} \equiv a^{-1} \pmod m$
 
5:32 PM
That's cool, thank you!
 
no problem :)
 
What's up with these star sprees lol
7
 
I don't know where $C_0$ has come from; how did $\ln|x+\sqrt{x^2 \pm a^2}| +C$ originate, just by multiplying $a$ with the argument of ln? Could somebody explain it?
 
When website feature is designed without thinking. lol
 
@Tug'Tegin $\ln|ab| = \ln|a|+\ln|b|$
And $x/a + \sqrt{(x/a)^2 \pm 1} = \dfrac{1}{a}(x+\sqrt{x^2 \pm a^2})$
 
5:42 PM
@Lozansky what about $C=C_0-\ln|x|$?
 
Constant of integration
 
@Lozansky You gotta catch all the stars to get the badge to get the XPs to advance to the next level.
 
:O
 
Gotta get them sweet, sweet XPs!
 
6:32 PM
If $f:[a,b]\to \Bbb R$ is differentiable at some point $x\in [a,b]$, then $f$ continuous at $x$. But, is it possible that $f$ continuous at $x$ only, and nowhere 'near' $x$?
 
6:43 PM
@Silent check the definition of continuity
 
ok, did it. @Shobhit
 
found your answer?
 
no!
please explain more!@Shobhit!
 
for a function to be continous its right hand limit and left hand limit must coincide with the value of the function at that point. Also sometimes there are functions which does not exist at the left or right of a point, then we define its continuity to be if its right hand limit or left hand limit is equal to the value of the function at that point. example $\sqrt{x}, x \ge 0$.
 
@Silent: Yes, it's possible. Can you find an example of a function $f$ that is differentiable just at $0$ and also continuous just at $0$?
 
6:49 PM
Hi @ted
 
@Shobhit: That sort of thing isn't relevant here.
Hi @Semiclassic
 
i am helping him understand the definition and reach the answer himself @TedShifrin
 
I disagree, @Shobhit.
If $f$ is differentiable at $a$ (and not just right-differentiable), this phenomenon is not relevant.
 
@TedShifrin Hi
 
Heya @Tobias
 
6:51 PM
@TedShifrin Hi Ted
 
Hi @Perturbative
 
@TedShifrin You play bridge, right?
 
Yup...
 
I thought this chat didn't like trump.
 
I am thinking of finding a local bridge club to join
 
6:53 PM
Hi @Ted
 
I don't think "chat" has a unanimous view, @PVAL. I can think of a few who do, sadly.
 
@TedShifrin then please help him and me too understand, i think i may have misunderstood something in the question :)
 
hi @Alessandro ... was your alg. number theory solution correct?
@Shobhit: Did you read and think about the question I asked up about 12 comments?
 
I miss having a nice strategic game to play regularly, and there is nowhere to play mahjong locally
 
4NT was not accepted :/
 
6:55 PM
@Semiclassical Is that a new course in some weird form of number theory, or are you making a bid?
 
@Tobias: Yeah, it's a challenge to play well. Had a really good game last night (with my regular Tuesday partner, who's a life master ...) ...
 
no candidates today :(
 
Four no Trump :p
 
I originally got interested in learning to play because one of the mahjong players I played with also plays bridge
 
I'm happy to bid as many NT as will work, Semiclassic.
 
6:56 PM
Point.
 
@Tobias: There are distinct skills to learn, both as complicated as you want to make them. :) ... bidding systems, and play (declarer play and defensive play really make two distinct items).
 
People have even been going so far as to attempt to replicate the duplicate aspects of bridge in mahjong. It has some kinks, but tge general idea is there
@TedShifrin Yeah, I am playing with the "learn to play bridge" programs made by the American Bridge Association at the moment
 
@Tobias: The premise of duplicate bridge is that everyone in the room (sometimes around the world) plays the same hands and one compares how one does with what one's given with how everyone else does. Can you do that with mahjong?
 
@TedShifrin i dont understand what you want to say, are you talking about piece-wise functions, with removable discontinuity where i might be able to define it in such a way so to make the function differentiable?
 
Probably some reading would help, too, @Tobias.
 
6:58 PM
@TedShifrin To some extend, yes. But there is some randomness that works less well than in bridge
 
@Shobhit: I want it NOWHERE continuous except at $x=0$.
 
plus, the logistics are a lot more cumbersome when using tiles rather than cards
 
@Tobias: Duplicate clubs use machines that deal the cards according to the programmed hands (which are provided universally by ACBL).
 
@TedShifrin I have read quite a bit already. These programs are a nice mixture of introducing ideas and having you go through example deals, trying to play optimally
 

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