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13:00
@RajeshD Infant! :-)
?? puzzled
is it relative ?
@RajeshD My comment, you mean?
@yCalleecharan there's an with a picture in the bar above the editing frame. If you hover with your mouse over it it says "image <img>" or something of that kind. Click it and follow the instructions.
1980 is far away....its way long back
The 80s are great. I'm from the 80s.
13:02
It’s practically yesterday! :-)
Jonas! You have Tao, don't you! Do you know what a Fourier transform of a set is?
Doosh !
@MattN What kind of set?
@MattN most likely, yes.
@MattN Ohhh! I have him at home.
13:03
@JonasTeuwen For example a pseudo-random set.
I'll check there :-).
As they say time runs faster as you grow up ! @Brian
My lords, sorry for disturbing you - bat have you seen this:
Oh, it does indeed. Summers are much shorter than they were when I was twelve, say.
13:03
Does it? Seems to last for eternity when I have to do the dishes.
@Ilya Hah!
@tb It's the only thing that seems to makes sense but he doesn't mention it anywhere : /
@ t.b. Thanks I now see the picture icon. Never thought it is so easy.
@Ilya <splork!!!>
@Ilya : D
I'll just assume he means the characteristic function.
@yCalleecharan hitting ctrl+G also works. Yes, it's pretty easy :)
13:05
I think I complain too much.
@t.b. Are only png files accepted?
I have titties like a woman.
No I don't.
Someone please give the relation between convolution and linear constant coefficient differential equations ! in few words
@RajeshD Very cool.
@JonasTeuwen wth. And I drank beer with you :)
13:07
@yCalleecharan Well, the host is imgur. I think .png and .gif works, but .svg, for instance, doesn't.
(I don't know the details, though)
@Ilya 8-), yes?
@JonasTeuwen why did you decide to confess about titties?
I missed that part of the discussion
I retracted that a few seconds later.
@Jonas :D drinking something, are we?
@ t.b. Ok thanks.
13:08
@BrianMScott thank you!
@Ilya I have six books with integrals tables on my desk.
@Ilya Yes, water?
@BrianMScott Einstein once said time is relative. If a beautiful girl sits on your lap for an hour it feels like an minute; but if an ugly girl sits on your lap for a minute it feels like an hour...
@JonasTeuwen I read that yesterday your 'water' meant either wine or whiskey - so maybe
the answer came befor the question @Jona
@Jonas: In Gall'n'Gall there are discounts for Glenlivet!!!!111oneoneeleleven
13:09
I've starred it !
@Ilya The largest part is water.
Wow! I should go!1111ELEVENONE!?1
@JonasTeuwen take it! take it completely!~
All the bottles?
all
12,15,18,21 I think
Oh, not the whole stock. Just all kinds.
And Nadurra?
13:11
@JonasTeuwen maybe. But what did you mean with the whole stock?
All their bottles.
Not only from each kind one 8-).
I need to freshen up ! be back in a bit
@JonasTeuwen from each kind one $\subset$ all bottles?
I can't understand you, sorry
Don't worry, neither can I.
Cool, phew
13:24
“Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute. THAT'S relativity.”
Oh no, another cliche quote!
13:42
Even though the question itself is not a duplicate, I think Arturo's answer in the thread he links to answers the question fully.
I'm tired.
@JonasTeuwen: I have answered your question using Mathematica, and as I suspected, it is a Bessel function.
Mathematica gave it back to me! Let me see.
It only does so for $a\in\mathbb{Z}$
@robjohn But $a$ is not necessarily in $\mathbf Z$!
Yes, but I'm pretty certain it is not an integer :-).
13:47
But $\mathbb{Z}\neq\mathbf{Z}$...
@JonasTeuwen Then I would doubt there is a special function for it.
^^^ that was a call for votes by the way...
Mm, our special functions guy said there was probably one... But he didn't mention which.
I already voted!
@tb does that mean the question should be removed?
13:48
No, just closed as a duplicate.
@robjohn It could be some kind of incomplete Bessel.
@tb I just saw that, and it does look like a duplicate
@JonasTeuwen It could be, but I don't know enough to reduce it to such right now, and Mathematica doesn't.
@robjohn But Mathematica is unable to compute some integrals which I am able to compute by hand!
@JonasTeuwen True, but as I said, I don't know enough to reduce it to an incomplete Bessel right now. Maybe later today I will have time to look deeper.
@robjohn Where's J.M. when he's needed? :)
13:54
No worries :-).
I wonder why they keep writing "additive group" instead of just "group". To me it makes no difference whether the group op is written $\cdot$ or $+$. This makes me think I'm missing something important.
@MattN additive = abelian, no?
Because then you find yourself talking about a ring, on its additive group and multiplicative group.
@tb I didn't know that. I thought Abelian = commutative.
and using addition as the group operation, most formulas from Fourier analysis look very familiar...
14:00
@AsafKaragila This could be an explanation for it.
The only guy I know who wrote $+$ for a non-commutative group operation was Banach...
@MattN I'm pretty sure Tao is mostly interested in abelian groups.
@AsafKaragila yeah, that one
Maybe you are both right since the additive group of a ring is commutative.
Thank you.
That would've been another pain factor meeting its timely elimination.
Wowzers, those are some sudden huge rain drops!
I think a further reason is that he has applications in number theory in mind, and there is the additive and the multiplicative brand of number theory (among other things)...
But not even Ben Green can give a good definition of "additive" combinatorics. See here
14:07
Additive combinatorics is apparently "a rather exciting area of mathematics." : )
@MattN Not even in my nightmares.
But the guy who writes it doesn't know what pornography is, so...
(I think it's anything containing people not wearing clothes...)
Hm. This definition would make clothes pornography. Strictly speaking. But I don't like absurd precision.
But in everything where there are people there is a subset of people which do not wear cloths.
14:12
@tb Got it, thanks : )
@AsafKaragila So, when I'm alone in my bed wearing my pajamas...
@tb There is a naked Theo under those pajamas.
(I'm not looking at this chat, I'm looking at the Tao book.)
@AsafKaragila Really? Never noticed that before. I sort of hoped there was a subset I missed so far :)
14:17
@Jonas: do you have an idea of what $a$ may be? is it in $[0,1]$?
Speaking of lying in bed alone... I am going to take an afternoon nap.
(My girlfriend went to visit her folks in the north, so I'll be sleeping in a star-shaped form until the cat decides to take over...)
@robjohn It is given right? :-).
^I missed that.
@AsafKaragila here, kitty, kitty, kitty
@robjohn Actually I have the same integral with $a = 1$ running to $\alpha_{\text{max}}$.
14:19
Never mind : )
(instead of $2 \pi$).
@robjohn Yeah, somehow one small kitty managed to push me almost completely out of the blankets last night!!
@AsafKaragila :-)
Well. I'll be seeing you later, folks.
@JonasTeuwen so anywhere from $\frac{2}{\pi}$ to $\infty$. I will have to get back to it. I need to take Lilly for a walk now.
@AsafKaragila nap well.
14:22
@robjohn Yes. Have fun!
@robjohn walk well.
can anyon help me with some maple input?
I feel frustration
"tsss" = sound of disapproval, I assume?
14:27
@MattN no, a suppressed chuckle.
its only to check stuff, cos im a noob and i dont want to annoy you with such easy questions all the time.
@TessaDangerBamkin I would be glad to help you, but the last and only time I started maple was about ten years ago.
So, lack of response is due to complete ignorance.
im sure its all the same, i just can't get it to integrate a function. so i probably can't get it to differentiate. Couldn't get it to graph the other day either
But Maple is like writing code. How about you ask your question on stackoverflow.com?
14:32
hm ok just seems so short
Does this help?
it should do, but its like it knows its not a legal copy and refuses to work for me :(
@TessaDangerBamkin nope ))
@TessaDangerBamkin by the way, what's going one with Maple? I was using it for a while, maybe I could help
think I've done it now, missing spaces which are very hard to see, copied and pasted and noticed that they were in the examples and not in mine
thanks anyway :)
@TessaDangerBamkin :)
14:44
@Ilya: What's not nice about this?
@tb rendering?
Looks fine to me...
maybe it is just with chrome then
Do I understand that substitution? Hmm...
Oh, we have a $\xi$ now.
that is how it appears
14:46
uurgh
@tb what?
Oh, right he assumes integers.
@Ilya With me too.
This indeed looks horrible
@JonasTeuwen yes
@JonasTeuwen too - like with me, or like with Theo?
Like with you.
Well, less bad.
But the limits do look bad :-).
15:13
Can you confirm this? $Z$ with the cofinite topology is a topological group. I need to check that $f_- : Z \to Z, x \mapsto -x$ and $f_{+y} : Z \to Z, x \mapsto x + y$ are continuous. If $S \subset Z$ is open, i.e. $S^c$ is finite then $f_-^{-1}(S)^c = f_-^{-1}(S^c)= -S^c$ is finite. Similarly $f_{+y}^{-1}(S)^c = f_{+y}^{-1}(S^c) = S^c - y$ is also finite so this is a topological group.
@MattN sorry, what is the cofinite topology, could you remind? all complements of finite sets are open?
A set is open if its complement is finite.
Seems that you're right then
Yay! Thanks : )
you're welcome
15:17
Sure, go ahead.
Though I don't really use linkedin. : )
@MattN me neither
WOWZERS: I call that rain!
Hold on. No: hail!?
And every set in $Z$ is compact, right? For that let $S_i$ be an open cover of $S \subset Z$ with $S_i^c = \{z_{i1}, \dots, z_{in} \}$. Then construct a finite open subcover by taking $S_0$ and then for each $z_{k0} \in S_0^c$ one set $S_i$ with $z_{k0}$ in $S_i$?
Then this is a locally compact topological group.
15:35
@MattN that's further confirmation that Tao only looks at abelian groups.
People usually reserve the term locally compact group to Hausdorff groups. Yours isn't Hausdorff.
@tb What is? I just made up an example because I don't really know what a topological group is. And since Tao mentions Pontryagin dual without giving a clue what it is and its definition on Wikipedia requires me to know what that is first I decided to look at examples.
The way you wrote the axioms. Those are good for abelian groups but not for non-commutative ones. And you do want to look at Hausdorff groups if you want to talk about Pontryagin duality.
But it's locally compact 8 )
But apparently the dual group is just all the characters of the group. Why does the group have to be commutative? I guess I'll know the answer to this in a few hours...
I have to read this Wiki page first.
Yes, it is locally compact in every possible sense for spaces. But when people mention locally compact groups they usually assume that it is Hausdorff (or equivalently for groups $T_0$).
@tb Ok. I believe you : )
But I was just getting started. It might be locally compact with the discrete topology.
15:42
Since a character is a continuous homomorphism $\chi: G \to S^1$ to an abelian group, it factors through the abelianization of $G$, which is again a locally compact groups. The characters only see the "abelianization" $G / \overline{[G,G]}$ of $G$.
Good examples to have in mind are $\mathbb{R}$, $\mathbb{Z}$ and $S^1$ for locally compact groups.
Others would $p$-adic stuff like $\mathbb{Z}_p$ or $\mathbb{Q}_p$.
and of course the finite abelian groups...
@Jonas : Please see this
Thanks teddy.
:3744164 no.
@tb That is only true for $a\in\mathbb{Z}$ however
@Ilya Oh, that is ugly
@robjohn Sorry?
15:52
@tb I see, you are just talking about the appearance :-)
Yes. Ilya made an edit to your answer and I didn't understand because it looked fine to me. But seeing what he gets, I can understand :)
@tb when I first saw that, I thought you were talking more than skin deep :-)
me? never! :)
@tb The edit has not been sent, at least I don't see it yet
@Ilya: what needs editing?
Hm... What's the field of which $S^1$ is the multiplicative group?
15:56
@MattN well, you can take the multiplicative group of $\mathbb{C}$ for the values of a character... But for Pontryagin duality people usually take its subgroup $S^1$. Why would it be important for $S^1$ to be a multiplicative group of a field?
There can't be addition because that would end up outside $S^1$, no?
(It most certainly isn't).
@tb Because according to Wikipedia "A multiplicative character (or linear character, or simply character) on a group G is a group homomorphism from G to the multiplicative group of a field."
Should that say subgroup of the multiplicative group of a field?
@MattN that's what people dealing with algebraic groups do (because $F^\times$ is an algebraic group while $S^1$ isn't). I don't know Tao's conventions.
But for Pontryagin duality people usually consider $\chi: G \to S^1$ (and they write $\mathbb{T}$ for $S^1$). See here
@MattN well, the image of a homomorphism is always a subgroup...
@tb Doh, of course. It doesn't have to be surjective.
Thanks.
16:01
@robjohn That may be a new feature of the software. Ilya most definitely edited and I asked him immediately what was wrong. He seems to have rolled the edit back (probably within the usual five-minutes time window) and all traces of his edit disappeared.
@tb so, does he see that unsightly gap now?
@robjohn I think so. He made the screenshot after I asked him what was wrong... May be a Chrome bug/incompatibility with MathJaX.
\,is the smallest of the precomputed gaps, so either his browser has a bug, or it needs to be restarted.
his gap looks almost like a \quad
@robjohn he = me?
@robjohn yesterday or the day before Matt had some caching problems, too, so I guess there's something wrong with Chrome and MathJaX
16:06
@Ilya yep :-)
that's the same thing with a \quad in it
I was rather talking about limits 0 and 2\pi
The interesting thing is that there is another \,before the $\mathrm{d}x$
@robjohn but note that the spacing is more like $\sin^{\quad 2}$ than before the sine in Ilya's screenshot.
@Ilya Oh... hmm
Yeah, the spacing is just wrong.
@Ilya have you restarted your browser recently?
@Rob: just now
it is still in the same way. Sorry, I have to run now :(
16:12
@Ilya See if it looks the same.
it is the same
have you shift refreshed?
(or emptied the cache, just to be sure?)
sorry, guys - I am leaving, otherwise I'll be late. I'll do it from my home in an hour
sure, see you later :)
T_T
I want to go to sleep.
16:15
what's up?
@Ilya ttfn
@tb Tao's book. : ,(
But I'm not allowed to whine because I brought in on myself by doing this seminar.
Also, I should stop whining and instead use the time for thinking...
I haven't looked at the book, so I can't say anything about it.
@MattN So this is a "no whining" seminar?
Does this blog post by the master himself help, maybe?
16:18
@robjohn Yes... I don't know.
@tb Yes, it contains some of the definitions. Thank you!
I am now uploading Incomplete Bessel Functions from the Matrix.
There doesn't seem to be much on them
I wish definitions were unique.
16:36
@robjohn Is it possible that Mathematica calculates some integrals wrong?
Since I seem to have one...
@JonasTeuwen I guess it is possible
It is annoying! 8-).
@JonasTeuwen there's a suggested edit for your question.
@tb I'm not sure if I should approve that. People that know special functions will probably open it with this title, and people that don't will probably not be able to solve it anyway.
The title is just some thing to attract readers, is my opinion.
Meh, somebody else approved it.
But it's more specific. That can't be bad.
16:42
It should be as short as possible and appeal to the right people.
The real message is in the body.
I don't like long expressions in titles.
This is a bit large. I think yours is fine.
But it seems like it should be your right to change it back, if that's what you prefer.
@JonasTeuwen I understand that. But there's also this meta thread that was posted half a day ago.
Mark Sapir is a stone-cold jokester.
I also didn't know what to make of this. To me, adding $3$ to itself a bunch of times is more prone to error than just knowing that $3^2 = 9$; I'm bad at mental arithmetic but it seems crazy to not have that one down.
@DylanMoreland I assume that is markvs.
@robjohn You're assuming right.
16:51
@Dylan Hi. Can I ask you what those groups, $U_5$, $U_8$ and $U_{10}$ are?
@tb Thanks. I have added my euros.
@KannappanSampath I believe $U_n$ is supposed to be $(\mathbf Z/n\mathbf Z)^*$.
@DylanMoreland The group of U nits? Hah, suddenly things start making sense! : )
Does the tag sound right?
I am goin' back to bed! ; - |
17:06
@tb Sorry for the whining earlier. Tao actually does give a clue about what the Pontryagin dual is.
@KannappanSampath Good night.
@KannappanSampath no!
Does anyone know how to complete the square on $$x^2 + \frac{1}{x^2}$$ ? I tried, but alas I failed.
$(x + 1/x)^2 = x^2 + 2 + 1/x^2$?
@JonasTeuwen Gahhhh
!!!!
Not sure what you mean as this is quite...?
I used $(1+1/x)^2-2$ and could not understand, where my mistake was..
Thanks a bunch
user19161
17:13
@N3buchadnezzar It means you need more sleep.
@JonasTeuwen I think your question title was fine. Gerry was probably talking about titles of the type "induction proof help." Or the vast majority here
@WillHunting Indeed
17:28
Must. Resist. The. Temptation. To add umlauts to this title.
@MattN Maurice Auslander is of Norwegian descent :)
@tb But that... makes him an Ausländer! : )
Auslander raus? :D.
Eww. These ads are known all over Europe?
Of course, in their entire tastelessness... :/
17:33
Which ad?
@JonasTeuwen See e.g. here
Hey, hey
Never heard of it.
17:36
Or this.
We could go on forever...
Yes.
I want to ban church bells.
I want to ban churchs
Oh that! :D.
@MattN oh, if you file an initiative, let me know, I'll sign it...
17:40
@tb Thanks but since I'm only here for less than a year I won't waste my time. Sorry. Also, 2 votes wouldn't be enough.
I wonder how much I can get for a Swiss passport on the black market...
I don't know how many Sunday mornings I spent in my old flat, lying in my bed and waiting for the church to finally stop ringing its bells, while having the most colorful dreams of how I could go and burn that darn noisy thing down....
Same here. But not just on Sundays.
Yes, but Sundays were the worst. I could get used to the five minutes four times a day and the time bells didn't particularly disturb me, but the entire hour spread over the whole Sunday morning was almost too much for me to take...
That's what I meant with "time bells".
I just realised.
17:46
Are these adds pro white? Sort of?
Consider it a double pun: they certainly don't want black people but they also don't want any other foreigners.
@MattN moreover, the loud bells were horribly out of tune.
@N3buchadnezzar sort of, pro white sheep, anti black sheep
@tb I mean, who needs the black sheep anyway?
Reminds me of " Walter Moers - Der Bonker "
I will give up trying to link things here
18:05
This time I started preparing the seminar lecture 3 weeks in advance. Yay!
@N3buchadnezzar Thank you for that musical intermission.
18:35
hello, I'm having a bit of a brain fart moment here... can someone point out (and smack my head) as to why $\sum_{n=k}^\infty 1/n^2<\int_{k-1/2}^\infty 1/x^2\ dx$ is true, when the same isn't if the lower integration limit were simply $k$?
When did the front page start doing this Twitter-style live update thing?
@MattN No. The Fourier coefficients are with respect to a homomorphism $\chi : G \to S^1$.
E.g. you have for $\xi \in \mathbb{R}$ the homomorphism $\chi_{\xi} : x \mapsto e^{i\pi \xi \cdot x}$ and write $\hat{f}(\chi_{\xi}) = \int_{\mathbb{R}} f(x) \overline{\chi_{\xi}(x)}\,dx$ (in slightly more classical notation this would be $\hat{f}(\xi)$)slightly
18:42
(never mind normalization constants...)
I should have written $\chi_{\xi}(x) = e^{i\xi x}$.
@yoda I always imagine that the series has a graph too, taking the value $1/n^2$ on $[n, n + 1)$.
The Fourier transform gives you for a function $f: G \to \mathbb{C}$ a function $\hat{f}: \widehat{G} \to \mathbb{C}$.
This agrees with $1/x^2$ at the integer points. But the function is decreasing, so you do get an undercount.
Do I hear Fourier transform?
Yes.
18:45
$\hat{G}$ is $Hom(G, S^1)$, right? So $\hat{f}$ would map homomorphisms to complex numbers?
Exactly.
But...
From Tao's blog: "...given by Fourier coefficients $\hat{f}(\xi)$, which take values in some dual object such as the Pontryagin dual $\hat{G}$ of $G$." Does this not mean that $\hat{f}$ is a homomorphism $? \to \hat{G}$?
@yoda I believe that the expression on the left hand side of the < symbol uses integer values of n (and hence k is also an integer) while the integral on the right hand side uses all real numbers. So, the inscribed rectangles will be less in the summation. Does that make sense Yoda?
@MattN this is most definitely wrong.
in should be on
@yoda Ah, thanks. Neat feature. Probably even worse for my productivity though :)
18:47
@tb The "take values in..."?
yep
T_T
I want to cry.
I am currently resisting three questions on the front page. I don't need to see more...
@MattN You should leave a comment!
@Skullpatrol yes, that does :) Thank you and thanks to @DylanMoreland too :)
As I said, for a function $f: G \to \mathbb{C}$ you get a function $\hat{f}: \widehat{G} \to \mathbb{C}$.
18:48
I so felt like an idiot for not understanding : (
No problem!
@MattN Can you wait about half an hour? I just fixed myself some food...
Then he'll know who you are. And when you and Terry become best friends you can go to LA and also visit robjohn.
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@tb It's ok, I think I can handle it : ) It's not like I'm completely confused now that that has been resolved. What are you having?
(Thank you, you're so nice.)
@DylanMoreland LOL
But now after he's done this to me I don't like him. So I won't comment on his blog.
18:51
@yoda Well, we'd have to work out why $-1/2$ is enough to be truly satisfied, I think.
The homomorphisms $\mathbb{R} \to S^1$ are precisely the functions $x \mapsto e^{i\xi x}$, where $\xi \in \mathbb{R} \cong \widehat{\mathbb{R}}$. That's why you take the Fourier "coefficients" $\hat{f}(\xi) = \int f(x) \overline{\langle x,\xi\rangle} \,dx = \int f(x) e^{-i\xi x}\,dx$ to be indexed by $\xi \in \mathbb{R}$
@MattN Oh, just something frugal, a bit of salad, bread and cheese.
@DylanMoreland well, I think since it's constantly decreasing, if you shift it by half, then the excess area to the left of the integer point is greater than the void (undercount) to the right of the integer, so you'll always end up with an excess, providing a sufficient bound
@DylanMoreland Starred. It's too funny : D
Why is there no metric prefix larger than yotta? I want to express my mass in eV.

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