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09:04
I like the comments to your answer. : ) +1 btw.
09:19
@MattN overdoing it slightly, yes...
Hey you! : ) Good morning.
Morning...
You don't sleep much, do you.
I didn't sleep much today... But generally I try and get enough sleep.
Good.
09:26
hi
Hi Rajesh.
@JonasTeuwen ah, you use that screen
Hi Rajesh
is it summer there in Europe ?
good morning
@Rajesh not in Central one, only if +7 and clouds count for the summer
09:27
@RajeshD I wish :)
sun has started blazing over here
some would argue that this happened here, too
@RajeshD in Barcelona it is warm, but I am not there
But I wish it was winter for more time...totally opposite
@tb Matt?
09:28
@Ilya yes, Sh-Ilya-ck
@RajeshD Russia is just 1k km to the North, don't hesitate
@tb who is it?
@tb What does this mean?
@MattN A pun that went wrong... Sherlock
09:30
@tb quite far... Shilyack does not mean anything good in Russian. We don't have such word - but based on its sound, if we would have it, it would not be nice. I regret my name is not Erl :)
@Ilya I plead not guilty due to my nearly absolute ignorance of the Russian language.
I wish Earth sometimes rotated slowly about an axis lying in its orbital plane
@tb :( I was trying so hard and you still don't plead it :)
@RajeshD No! stop wishing it in 2012 :D
Darn
wish it the next year, and whenever
but not this year
09:32
okay...
worried about Antarctica melting ?
@Rajesh: no, about December, 21th
@Matt: are you here?
Kind of. I'm not following the transcript as I'm getting ready to go to uni (library is a more productive place) Why?
But we knew that already that it's not you.
He's the Watman.
Such as?
@Matt: I would never dare to share it with you
I'm hard-boiled.
@MattN Deep Purple, obviously...
09:42
@tb Ewww...
@tb FFFFUUUU :)
: D : D
@MattN never
I prefer Bruce Wayne over the Watman though.
@MattN Wruce Bayne then :)
09:44
In purple : )
:D
googles
@MattN this is not math, so there is no a complete proof of this fact. And now all together it gives me more reasons not to feel guilty for that
Somehow I'm unable to follow this conversation.
@tb phew :)
09:46
Huh? Which part needs explanation?
I can't find a Wikipedia article about Watman.
Well, it started with someone pretending not to know what this two-letter abbreviation means then somebody throwing seven letters (two distinct ones) at me and then people permuting some letters in name.
I tend to overestimate my guilty, unfortunately
Never mind, I'm not interested at all.
Is there anyone into Harmonic analysis or Fourier series ? for this
@MattN I didn't mean him
@RajeshD ask Jonas when he is here
whenever, wherever, whyever, whatever
09:47
ok
Sakira's song ?
$\uparrow$ h
@Ilya Who then?
@MattN :-p "attempt at humour"
Well there were people who didn't understand it so... : )
@MattN do you claim the existence of Theo? Quite a religious statement.
09:51
@Ilya I don't claim anything. I'm off to uni now. See you in a bit.
I just feel need to do some kidding since I have to get back to the paper and write an introduction
@MattN At least I'm not the only one that didn't get everything...
@MattN goodbye :) and good luck there
The sun is burning down, so I can't wear a coat today. Hope I don't get a sun burn from walking to the bus.
@tb I guess Matt meant you in Well there were people who didn't understand it so... : ), didn't you get it again? :-p
09:52
@tb What did I not get?
Who is counting on me ?
@Ilya I was lost with the FFFUUU
@tb do you know what does it mean?
No. I just found an unsatisfactory explanation and a whole bunch of crappy drawings
09:53
So you do know what it means : D
@tb indeed, they are crappy :)
I just realised I missed the bus : (
You are so distracting!!
icic
great ...I thought i was the only one who didn't understand it on facebook....fc*k yea !
@MattN I guess I'm too old for this kind of internet memes
09:55
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
@RajeshD ah, that one :)
i didn't say that
that was another meme
No, you were talking about the French Connection...
@tb You're not that old. I have to say this otherwise I'd have to count myself as old, too. Which I'm not.
@tb it means "frustration". Let me elaborate a bit.
09:56
@Ilya No it means FUCK. And the meme means "angry!!!".
@MattN it mean frustration
Or do you see an 'r' in the word?
@MattN too old is a relative statement, while old is an absolute one :)
@Ilya : better to post a pic from facebook....it explains it all figuratively
@RajeshD no, please
09:57
@tb Ok. Now I understand. : )
...anyway... how's the weather in Delft?
@tb take a look through your window :) +7 and cloudy?
I'll be right back...
@Ilya well, scroll to the right here that's what I see out of my window.
@tb scroll to the right? I guess my screen is to big, so I can't scroll :)
wrong link :/
10:07
icic
not bad
I don't know why this happens to me all the time :) I'm glad that I'm quite an innocent guy so I don't really have to fear the worst...
@tb you mean, when you are pasting?
@Ilya exactly.
you should be happy then, indeed :) sorry, but I have 52 minutes left to write an introduction. I have to submit paper today - but I am also assisting an exam for about 3 hours. See you later, or maybe tomorrow, @tb. And good luck
Okay, see you then! Good luck
10:10
thank you
10:23
@Ilya You've tagged me a few times when you've meant to tag Matt N.
@Matt I am sorry. Does it happen even if you're out of the chat?
@tb: it took 20 minutes. I'm fixing typos now :)
@DavidWallace: I agree with your answer. $\mathbb{Q}$ is closed under addition, and infinite sums are a limit. It would be nice if TonyK would give a reference to where Rudin "explains how to give meaning to certain infinite sums of rationals" rather than simply claiming it in contradiction to Mariano.
@robjohn good morning
Look,he said it was 1977 that he read it. I think people are allowed to forget a few details in that many years.
You could argue that the whole "limit of a sequence of partial sums" business is just a way of adding infinitely many numbers. Then, you're arguing lingustics, not mathematics.
@Ilya Actually, I was thinking of older problems that trickle reputation once in a while. The spinning cube is too recent to fall in that category.
10:32
I nearly said as much in a comment; but then I thought I'd just let Mariano and Tony slug it out.
@Ilya Good afternoon :-)
@DavidWallace wise decision :)
Hi, robjohn
(I missed that blockbuster by Mariano...)
@tb hello
@tb although I see only a limit of sums ;-) ($\dots$ is not a rational)
@robjohn well maybe Rudin was re-written after 1977? :)
Something as fundamental as this hasn't changed since then.
10:34
@tb It could have been, but still a reference would be nice.
But there's bound to be a newer edition of Rudin.
@Kannappan: good afternoon :-)
No! I'm wrong.
@DavidWallace ?
Principles of Mathematical Analysis, third edition, January 1, 1976 seems to be the latest.
@robjohn?
10:37
@robjohn Good afternoon. How do you do?
@DavidWallace ! :-)
@KannappanSampath I'm fine. I would like this sore throat and stuffy head to go away, but otherwise doing well.
Hello KannappanSampath
Hi @David @tb
@DavidWallace I was just wondering what you were wrong about. I didn't think your statement about infinite sums was in error.
Hi, Kannappan
10:39
@robjohn Cold is more common here. : )
@robjohn, No, my comment "there's bound to be a newer edition of Rudin" was the thing I was wrong about.
@DavidWallace yeah, I got that when you said it :-)
Why wouldn't my guide write back with the date of reporting? : ( I never thought figurig out a date was very hard.
@KannappanSampath I guess I usually think of it as warmer there, but I guess that I haven't looked at the winter climate.
@KannappanSampath guide?
@KannappanSampath where are you?
10:44
@robjohn Winters are not cold. It drops to say 7 degree celsius but nothing like what the visitors to our institute have to say, like -10 degrees or whatever... (And this drop is to very particular places, for instance, the place where I really come from stays the same in winter as it would in summer!)
@DavidWallace I am at Bangalore, while I really come from Trichy, Tamilnadu.
@robjohn This is for the summer holidays. I had received a fellowship from the Science Academies here. And, I had requested him to be my guide, to which he agreed.
@KannappanSampath I know where Bangalore is, I will have to look up Trichy.
@KannappanSampath Ah, Tiruchchirappalli! I built a rail line there in my game on Sunday.
Trichy is on the East Coast, just across from Sri Lanka; is that right?
@robjohn Yes, it is lesser known, and it is actually a 2nd tier city in India. So, many won't know it, even in India.
@DavidWallace It is not a coastal area. You'll have to travel a minimum of 200kms to get close to a sea. And, for a nice beach, may be, it would be 300 kms.
@robjohn Interesting, but what game is that? (If it's a secret, never mind!)
OK, I must have been thinking of some other place. Sorry.
@robjohn BTW, Tiruchchirappalli, is now just Trichy, except possibly in Railways system. : )
@DavidWallace Why sorry. It's OK. I am happy many of you know about India. : )
10:53
@KannappanSampath It's called India Rails.
Ah... a world without AT.
@robjohn Firstly, it sounds like a MP game. How do you like this kinda game?
@KannappanSampath MP?
Multiplayer.
@robjohn Multiplayer....? (Not standard?)
@AsafKaragila Up next is a Seminar, forgot that?
10:58
So why did they rename Tiruchchirappalli to Trichy? Was the local council spending too much money on signage?
@KannappanSampath Ah, yes. But on Sunday night we only had two, but the game works for two as well. We have recently been playing a lot of these train games, and Ticket to Ride and its spinoffs as well. Both teach a lot of geography.
@KannappanSampath It might be, but recently all I hear about are MMORPG :-)
@robjohn I see. But I would have never liked these games.
@KannappanSampath The MPs? or boardgames? or more specifically, train games?
@robjohn The board games!
@KannappanSampath ah, well we played India Rails and two games of chess. You would have hated it :-)
11:02
@KannappanSampath That is set theory, and not just any set theory - it's models without the axiom of choice. I am going to enjoy this one.
@AsafKaragila Oh I see. I never googled the term then....
What term?
@AsafKaragila I am not sure, but it was some model which I have now forgotten.
Solovay's model.
11:08
Well. I am going to finish this and head to the office where I can print freely all sort of things I might need to learn the proofs I need to cover. Bye for now.
@tb What were all these deleted comments?
Hi Kannappan!
@MattN Ilya was making sure I understood.
@tb By threats of physical violence?
@AsafKaragila now you see the violence inherent in the system
@tb I realised I messed up my own pun. I should've said Batman (in purple) since I haven't met Bruce Wayne and also Bruce Wayne doesn't wear a mask.
11:10
Proof by intimidation!
HELP! HELP! I'M BE REPRESSED!!
Never mind punctuation!
And never mind talking in the library.
@AsafKaragila Listen: strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Wot? o_0
11:14
Oh, MP.
Can someone help me understand the notation (free $R$-module): $$F(S) := \oplus_{s \in S} R \cdot s$$
$S$ apparently can be *any* set. So if $S$ is not a subset of my $R$-module $M$ then what meaning is $\cdot$ supposed to have? Is it like $R \times \{i\}$ for $i$ in some index set? Or what?
It would make more sense if $S$ was a subset of $M$, my basis of $M$.
@tb Maybe I'm too young for MP : )
@MattN Seriously?
Semi-seriously.
I would recommend getting some out on DVD.
The elements of $F(S)$ formal linear combinations of the elements of $S$. Here $S$ is any set, completely unrelated to the ring. You can identify $F(S)$ with the finitely supported functions $S \to R$ (that is: only finitely many elements of $S$ are sent to non-zero elements of $r$). Think of $S$ as an abstract basis for $F(S)$.
(for some people it helps to write $F(S) = \bigoplus_{s \in S} R \cdot e_s$ so that $\{e_s\}_{s \in S}$ looks more like a basis)
So it is kind of like $R \cdot s = \bigcup \{(r, s)\}$ for $s$ in $S$. No?
11:21
Yes, it is. It is the direct sum of $\# S$ copies of $R$.
Sorry, ballsed up notation there.
@tb Thanks!
@MattN No, not the union!
I meant union over $R$ there.
One too many edits.
No, it's not a union.
Aha. Right. elements look like vectors.
11:24
Exactly.
The $\cdot s$ is one way of notationally keeping track of the $s$'th entry.
I think using $\cdot$ to mean that is an abuse of notation.
I'd write $\oplus_{s \in S} R_s$.
Then it's clear that it's just an index set.
@MattN This looks good. But if you write $\sum_{s \in S} \lambda_s \Box \in F(S)$ what do you put in place of the $\Box$? Writing another $e_s$ or the like, quickly leads to index overkill, and writing $\sum_{s \in S} \lambda_s \cdot s$ never leads to ambiguities.
What is the OP asking for? here
@tb I don't perceive $\sum_{s \in S} \lambda_s e_s$ as index overkill. : ) But maybe I will in 3 years from now.
@KannappanSampath Are you on for some more exercises or do you have classes?
@KannappanSampath What don't you understand?
11:32
@MattN I am writing out an assignment.
But, yes, we can do some exercises now.
@KannappanSampath K. Let me get a cup of coffee. I'll be right back. (5 min)
@DavidWallace I fail to understand what sort of transformation is he talking about? And, why does he feel they are easy to do?
As in, if you want to transform a random variable in that way, I don't know of an immediate method. Even if they exist, I am sure if they will be easier than the elementary tricks.
No, I don't understand what his/her problem is either. It seems that you have answered the question; and he/she wants a completely different answer. Some people are just never satisfied!
@KannappanSampath didn't you answer the question?
I'm really tired; I think I'm off to bed. Good night all.
11:37
@robjohn I think I fully did. But I don't understand the OP's comment below my answer.
@KannappanSampath oh, I didn't see that. I will read.
@MattN One instance: The group ring $R[G]$: Suppose $S = G$ has a group structure. Then you can turn $F(S)$ into a ring $R[G]$ by declaring $(\sum_g a_g g) \cdot (\sum_h b_h h) = \sum_k c_k k$ where $c_k = \sum_{k = gh} a_g b_h$ (convolution product). It is simply more convenient to have $k = gh$ as a relation in $R[G]$ than $e_k = e_g \cdot e_h$.
@robjohn Sure. It would help if you shed more light.
@DavidWallace Good night, David
11:53
When I see $G$ I automatically replace it with $Z_p$ or something like that. Then reading maps of finite support is funny.
Thanks for pointing this out. I have a feeling this is not the last time I'll see group rings. : )
Hi.
I feel wasted, slightly 8-). Good morning.
@MattN No, sorry, I can't make it available without Silverlight, but it seems to work with Mono.
@Ilya That screen! is! horrible!
@KannappanSampath I can't figure out what I'd say. Sorry
Huh?
Ah! :-).
@JonasTeuwen morning? isn't it afternoon there?
@robjohn Technically speaking, you're right.
12:05
@JonasTeuwen Good afternoon :-)
@robjohn Good morning!
@JonasTeuwen Are you an afternoon riser? I had a friend in college who could only have afternoon classes :-)
@robjohn Yes.
Today has gone pretty well for me here so far. There was a flurry of votes on old and new answers. :-)
@Jonas: I finally got a "Good Answer" badge today. :-)
@robjohn Cool!
12:17
@Gigili: good day, welcome back, and all that.
'Ello. thank you so much, so kind of you and all that @robjohn.
Hi, Gigili!
@tb Ah, you're still here.
@robjohn I would've bet that it is for the rotating cube, so it's a bit of a surprise that you got it for that answer...
Congratulations, anyway!
'Ello @tb.
12:21
@tb The $\frac{\sin(x)}{x}$ answer has been slowly gathering votes, but not nearly as fast as the rotating cube. I think that would be my guess for the next to hit 25
Besides the fact that I still enjoy just watching the cube :-)
Hi @Mariano Is your chat account now alright?
what was wrong?
I asked my supervisor if the solutions to the Schrödinger equation are $C^\infty$, so he was thinking for like three seconds and said "no". 8-). Cool!
it works from home, but not from my office at the uni
@robjohn yes, it really is beautiful :)
12:23
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez what happens when you try to connect from there?
exactly what I described in the meta post :)
off to read meta posts
What on earth...
Look: $x \in X$.
@MattN looks like a caching problem. Did you try shift-reload?
(it looks fine to me)
12:25
@JonasTeuwen, the fundamental solution for the Sch. equation is waaay too complicated for that
@tb Thanks. That worked.
Yes, but I had a particular case. He was talking about the Schrödinger group being invertible.
@Mariano: It may be unrelated, but yesterday when I tried to log into LATimes.com, they tried to use Google, but I got the message "Session Timed Out" I tried several different ways and I still got that message. This makes me afraid to log out of SE.
@JonasTeuwen if you observe it inverting, it collapses and becomes singular. :-D
O noes!
Special thank to @MattN, today I was looking for spits on the floor while walking down the street.
12:31
@Gigili yuck!
@Gigili let's not get into this discussion again :)
@Gigili : D So did you see any? (Do we live in the same place?)
Okay okay. :P
@tb let snot :-)
12:32
@robjohn thank you, this hasn't been brought up yet :)
@tb Sorry, I wasn't here for the previous go-round. I will sneeze, er, cease now.
bless you!
Gesundheit.
@robjohn On a completely different note: the $\tau$-mystery (Tao-mystery?) is resolved
@MattN $\dots$ (No, I do not.)
12:35
@tb Ah, that is more what I was thinking than that Ramanujan monstrosity.
@Gigili : )
@tb I remembered there was something related to $\phi$ that was called $\tau$.
Aren't all things encoded by Greek letters related somehow?
However, I think that the OP definitely needed to specify which $\tau$ they were thinking of.
@tb Hmm....
12:47
@Mariano I meant exactly that. Did it sound different? (Galois problem, I'm talking about)
It is not true that equations of degree 5, say, are not solvable by radicals
the general equation is
and some specific equations with polynomial coefficients are
but there are rational quintics which are solvable
$(x-1)^5=0$ is a silly example.
Yes, I realised I was sending wrong waves. (That general went missing.) Right?
the OP seems to want to know does Galois theory, when a specific polynomial equation is solvable by radicals, actually help in solving it?
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez Yes, it sure does, or so I was told that in a talk.
I know
that's what I wrote in my answer :)
12:52
@DavidWheeler: "If he wishes to avoid seeing me, he must go, not I."
Ahahahaaha!!!!!
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez I know that you know. But, I'd like getting corrected and hence the ping. Sorry if you took it otherwise. @Mariano
@AsafKaragila @BrianMScott @HennoBrandsma Thank you so much!!
You're lovely. I scored a $5.5$ out of $6$. I don't care much about the grade but when I said I was worried sick that I might've failed she laughed and said "Yours was one of the best exams." : D
@MattN Set Theory results?
I am sure you aced it.
indeed, adding the 'general' to the comment might be a good idea
12:54
@KannappanSampath Looks like I did.
I'm SO glad.
This makes me want to do more set theory : D
@MattN That is a lovely grade.
@MattN congratulations!
Thanks : )
I'm just so glad I don't have to resit it.
That would've been so depressing and stressful.
@KannappanSampath, (this is 110% personal opinion:) the reference to Goedel's theorem is not helpful, really, in that context :)
@MarianoSuárezAlvarez : )

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