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13:03
I'm having trouble solving this DE
$$\dot{x} = \Bigg\{-t \sqrt{|x|}, \, \, x \geq 0
\, \, \, t \sqrt{|x|} , x \leq 0\Bigg\}$$
My intial appoarch was to consider if $x \geq \, 0$ then we could rewrite as follows:
$$\frac{dx}{dt} = -t \sqrt{|x|}dt$$
you meant dx/dt
@DHMO sorry latex error
Also I considered if $x \leq 0$ then we have $$\frac{dx}{dt}=t \sqrt{|x|}$$
@DHMO is this the right approach I'm I doing something wrong ?
your latex error is quite serious
@DHMO what latex error
you wrote y again
13:07
@DHMO ahh ok
and I don't think there is anything wrong
@DHMO so my appoarch is initially correct ?
i think so
@DHMO how come is it due to how the DE is defined because after solving in the problem i'm dealing with I'll have to investigate the minimal interval of exsitance
The solution will be invalid if I screw up the solution of the DE
maybe you should quote your original question
13:12
At @DHMO are there other ways to solve this
I don't understand what you mean by "the minimal interval of existence"
@DHMO sorry for the typing error I meant Maximal Interval of Existence
I don't understand that either
@DHMO see here
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Q: How do you find the Maximal interval of existence of a differential equation?

camillaI have a really simple differential equation: $\frac{dx}{dt} = x^2.t$ with initial value $x(0) = x_0$. Determine the maximal interval where it exists, depending on $x_0$ The maximal interval needs to be written in the form $(t^-,t^+)$, but I don't understand how you determine $t^+$ and $t^-$? pl...

You don't need square root at all, I think
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13:15
What does that mean?
then @DHMO then how would you solve it
I don't understand "maximal interval of existence" either
but I know how to solve that differential equation
@DHMO i'm just talking about how to solve the DE
$\begin{array}{rcl}
\dfrac{\mathrm dx}{\mathrm dt} &=& x^2 t\\
\dfrac{\mathrm dx}{x^2} &=& t\ \mathrm dt\\
\displaystyle \int \dfrac{\mathrm dx}{x^2} &=& \displaystyle \int t\ \mathrm dt\\
\dfrac{-1}{x} &=& \dfrac12 t^2 + C\\
x &=& \dfrac{-2}{t^2 + 2C}\\
\end{array}$
@DHMO wrong problem i'm talking about for the DE I posed
$$\dot{x} = \Bigg\{-t \sqrt{|x|}, \, \, x \geq 0
\, \, \, t \sqrt{|x|} , x \leq 0\Bigg\}$$


My intial appoarch was to consider if $x \geq \, 0$ then we could rewrite as follows:


$$\frac{dy}{dx} = -t \sqrt{|x|}dt$$

Then I considered if $x \, \leq 0$ we have the following:
$$\frac{dy}{dx} = t \sqrt{|x|}dt$$
13:21
@Zophikel where did your question come from?
@DHMO I haven't posted this on MSE
Then where does it come from?
Can you take a photo/screenshot of your source?
I'm confusing, how to type mixed numbers?
13:23
@VanessaBrown $1\dfrac23$
I dont understand ):
@VanessaBrown $1 \dfrac {2} {3}$
what do you want?
I want to ask
@Zophikel page 12?
@VanessaBrown what do you want to type?
Yeah @DHMO
13:24
why - 2 3/4 = - (2 3/4)
@Zophikel I don't see "maximal interval of existence" in that question
@DHMO i'm just asking for how to solve the DE that's it
@DHMO essentially after solving the DE i'll have to prove that it has a global solution
@VanessaBrown well that's convention and notation
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Yes No-tation
ok, thanks !
13:27
$\begin{array}{rcl}
\dfrac{\mathrm dx}{\mathrm dt} &=& -t \sqrt{x} \\
\dfrac{\mathrm dx}{\sqrt x} &=& -t \ \mathrm dt \\
2\sqrt x &=& -0.5 t^2 + C \\
x &=& (-0.25 t^2 + C)^2 \\
\end{array}$
@DHMO all right I see my initial approach to solving was correct thanks I can handle the rest
sorry for the miscommunication
what is the wikia actually?
nice
@BAYMAX Some land far away, dedicated to numbers too large for the common man.
Is it like MSE?
ohk.. i is nice!
actually just curious,what drove you@SimplyBeautifulArt to Large numbers?.
@BAYMAX Not quite like MSE... its a wikipedia for you to look at it.
@BAYMAX Well, it all started with Graham's number... and I was a bit young... and, well, it blew my mind.
ha nice :)
@SimplyBeautifulArt
13:52
:-) Then you naturally just sit there thinking... or you take the challenge of making even larger numbers yourself.
Haha
first I will think then I will challenge!
Good luck then :-)
you too@SimplyBeautifulArt
@BAYMAX And join my realm to chat with me/others anytime... I'm not always in this room.
Sure!
13:58
@BAYMAX joining the large numbers gang I see
ha ha@Zophikel , yeah sorry I was then busy with the algebra stuff,I hope you got your ODE solved!
Hi chat
how do we see that 1/2i ( e^iw - e^-iw ) = i -- is equavalent to (e^iw+1) ^2 = 2
try multiplying the whole equation by 2ie^iw
You mean left side?
both sides
14:02
The solution of the exam just jumped from LHS to RHS
So giving only LHS how to get to RHS
i mean
both sides of the first equation
Okay doing that :)
1/2i ( e^iw - e^-iw ) = i
( e^iw - e^-iw ) = 2i^2 = -2
e^2iw - 1 = -2e^iw
e^2iw + 2e^iw - 1 = 0
e^2iw + 2e^iw + 1 = 2
(e^iw+1)^2 = 2
@DHMO Thnaks I got it now :)
I have exam in 3 days and I dont feel ready =p
@BAYMAX I managed to get the ODE solved now I'm having trouble proving the solutions are global in all $$\mathbb{R}$$
14:10
In integration by substitution where you use a substitution in the form u^2
Why do you then multiply your substituted function by 2u
@SpaceOtter $x=u^2$, $\displaystyle \int f(x) \ \mathrm dx = \int f(u^2) 2u \ \mathrm du$
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$2u$ is the derivative of $u^2$
Because $\mathrm dx = 2u \ \mathrm du$
Which is because $\dfrac{\mathrm dx}{\mathrm du} = 2u$
$dx=d(u^2)=2u\ du$
@smb I figured as much, so it would be a chain rule factor
14:11
@DHMO I like that one.
When are we getting mathjax in chat?
@SpaceOtter see chat description
$$\frac{z-Ru}{(R^2+z^2-2Rzu)^{3/2}} du$$
Partial fractions?
@Lozansky it's you again
what are $R$ and $z$?
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14:13
Zoinks
@DHMO Constants
And hello
what is your original question?
That's an easy integral @Lozansky
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Integrate?
Should be easy
@DHMO Oh it's an integral
14:15
@Lozansky what integral?
@DHMO I just didn't bother with the integral sign
I know it's an integral
I mean from which question did you get that expression
I'm calculating the electric field a distance $z$ from a sphere with radius $R$
First of all, you can split it into two fractions due to the numerator, one a simple $\int\frac a{(b+cu)^{3/2}}\ du$ and the other of the form $\int\frac{au}{(b+cu)^{3/2}}\ du$. The second is handled as follows:
Consider the easier integral:
$$\int\frac1{(a+bu)^{1/2}}\ du$$
Solve, then differentiate with respect to $b$.
@Lozansky
@sbm
Once you add it as a bookmark then how do you use it?
14:17
@Lozansky I thought you just need Maxwell's first law
it's $\dfrac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_0 (z+R)^2}$
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click it
right, doh
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@Lozansky Note that the above reduces down to simple u-substitution and remembering that $\int u^n\ du=\frac{u^{n+1}}{n+1}+C$.
@SimplyBeautifulArt Right, I'll see what I come up with
14:20
@Lozansky Just be careful with what you are integrating/differentiating with respect to.
@DHMO how you been?
hi
lol, okay, hi
$$\int {\frac {x}{\sqrt{1+x}}} dx $$
using $$u^2=1+x $$

When we change it to $$ \int{\frac{u^2-1}{u} 2u} du $$

Where is the du/dx since we are using the fact that $$\int{f(u) \frac{du}{dx} dx = \int f(u) du $$
wait
I'm really failing
mhm lol
Are you asking how to solve $\int\frac x{\sqrt{1+x}}\ dx$?
@SpaceOtter that's nice
14:31
I have an easier approach
@SimplyBeautifulArt now?
$\int\sqrt{1+xt}\ dx=\frac2{3t}(1+xt)^{3/2}$
Differentiate both sides with respect to $t$ and set $t=1$.
@SpaceOtter Well, we know that $\dfrac{\mathrm dx}{\mathrm du} = 2u$
So $\dfrac{\mathrm du}{\mathrm dx} = \dfrac1{2u}$
But in my syllabus I often have to go with the substitution the give me @simply
@DHMO okay, then?
@SpaceOtter :-) Okay. I'll let @DHMO take this since I like his differentials.
14:34
@SpaceOtter I think we're getting confused
Yes we are
@SimplyBeautifulArt Well I got $\frac{-2a-bu}{b^2 \sqrt{a+bu}}$
@SpaceOtter firstly do we agree that $\mathrm dx = 2u \ \mathrm du$?
@Lozansky I didn't work out the problem myself lol. If you want, I'll look through your work.
@DHMO yes
14:35
@SpaceOtter and also that $\dfrac{x}{\sqrt{1+x}} = \dfrac{u^2-1}{u}$?
multiply them together
$\dfrac{x}{\sqrt{1+x}} \mathrm dx = \dfrac{u^2-1}{u} 2u \ \mathrm du$
@SpaceOtter :-)
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14:36
+_+
@DHMO Where'd the integrals go?
@SimplyBeautifulArt I just did $$\frac{\partial}{\partial b} \int \frac{1}{(a+bu)^{1/2}} du $$
@SimplyBeautifulArt you can add them back in the next step
at this point they're just differentials
The thing is I never learnt calculus in a way that allows you to treat $\frac {dy}{dx}$ as a fraction to manipulate so easily
well you do have some constraints
14:37
@Lozansky Okay, one moment.
but mostly the Leibniz notation allows you to manipulate them as fractions
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Partials
?
@SBM Differentiation under the integral sign
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Can anybody teach me that?
Seems useful
@SimplyBeautifulArt
@SBM I'll show you in my realm? They super easy
14:39
For example $ \mathrm dx = 2u \ \mathrm du $
I can see how it works but it wouldn't be intuitive as $2u du$ is meaningless
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Unless you Integrate both sides.
@SpaceOtter for example, have you heard about the arc length formula?
Arc length = $\displaystyle \int \sqrt{1+\left(\dfrac{\mathrm dy}{\mathrm dx}\right)^2} \ \mathrm dx$
@Lozansky I get this:
$$\int\frac u{-2(a+bu)^{3/2}}\ du\frac\partial{\partial b}\int\frac1{(a+bu)^{1/2}}\ du=\frac\partial{\partial b}\frac{2\sqrt{a+bu}}b=\frac u{b\sqrt{a+bu}}-\frac{2\sqrt{a+bu}}{b^2}l$$
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@DHMO That reminds me of something
The derivation is that $\displaystyle \int \mathrm ds = \int \sqrt{\mathrm dx^2 + \mathrm dy^2} = \displaystyle \int \sqrt{1+\left(\dfrac{\mathrm dy}{\mathrm dx}\right)^2} \ \mathrm dx$
14:43
Huh
wow
makes sense
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Yes
For now, Imma get my head around treating them as fractions in substitution integration. Thanks DHMO
np
@SimplyBeautifulArt Where did you get $\int \frac{u}{-2(a+u)^{3/2}} dbu$ from?
@Lozansky Oops, there is supposed to be an equal sign between it and the second integral
It follows from differentiating the second integral before integrating.
$$\frac u{-2(a+bu)^{3/2}}=\frac\partial{\partial b}\frac1{(a+bu)^{1/2}}$$
14:49
@SimplyBeautifulArt Alright, that step wasn't immediately clear to me
15:28
$$\int {cosec^2x} {cot^2x} {dx} $$

Using $u=cotx$
$\displaystyle \int \csc^2 x \cot^2 x \ \mathrm dx$
$\dfrac{\mathrm d}{\mathrm dx}\cot x = -\csc^2 x$
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Easy enough
$=\displaystyle \int u^2 \ \mathrm du$
How did you do $\frac {d}{dx} cotx$ ?
Wait
$\dfrac{\mathrm d}{\mathrm dx}\cot x = \dfrac{\mathrm d}{\mathrm dx} \dfrac{\cos x}{\sin x} = \dfrac{-\sin^2x - \cos^2x}{\sin^2 x} = \dfrac{-1}{\sin^2x} = -\csc^2 x$
quotient rule
15:32
Right I was integrating it oops
Apologies: $=\displaystyle \int u^2 \ \mathrm du$ should be $=\displaystyle \int -u^2 \ \mathrm du$
Yes that makes sense
Thank you
Hi chat , can someone help me understand an example about evaluation integrals with residue theory ?
sinx /x from -inf to inf
@KasmirKhaan Take the imaginary part of $\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}\frac{e^{ix}}x\ dx$ and use semi-circle contour in upper-half of the complex plane.
@KasmirKhaan what do you not understand?
15:43
Hm, did I do that right?
What I dont understand what simply said ><
that is what the book said
@SimplyBeautifulArt try to do \displaystyle at the beginning of the code
@KasmirKhaan do you know how to write $\sin$ in terms of $\exp$?
why imaginary part?
15:44
@DHMO Thanks? What does it do?
@SimplyBeautifulArt try it
@KasmirKhaan show it
$\displaystyle e^{ix}=\cos(x)+i\sin(x)$
$e^{ix}=\cos(x)+i\sin(x)$
sinz = (e^iz -e^-iz ) /2i
@SimplyBeautifulArt I mean try it on the thing you just wrote
15:45
Oh, yeah I know what it does. Makes it look like displayed, but still in-line
@KasmirKhaan oh you don't need that
@KasmirKhaan Do you know what I wrote? a.k.a. Euler's formula?
since $\displaystyle e^{ix}=\cos(x)+i\sin(x)$
you just need the imaginary part
i.e. $\Im (e^{ix}) = \sin x$
But how does it work in computation ?
@KasmirKhaan so $\displaystyle \int_\Bbb R \dfrac{\sin x}x \mathrm dx = \Im \left( \int_\Bbb R \dfrac{e^{ix}}x \mathrm dx \right)$
15:48
Oh
then use contour integral i guess
so all I need to do is e^iz / z
over -inf to inf
where $z \in \Bbb R$
ya
Oh got it :D
god
15:48
Hmm nice idea :D
so if am correct now
integral of cosx /x from -inf to inf = 0
because its the real part of e^iz /z
so?
of that integral , the real part is 0
how?
oh right
$x \mapsto \dfrac{\cos x}x$ is odd
so the integral must be $0$
integral of e^iz /z = i pi
Yes that could work too =p
because cosx /x is odd
wait
it has a pole at 0
15:51
lol
Don't mind me, I'm spectating
so does $\dfrac{e^{ix}}x$
Simply be nice I joined your site
so you do need to use contour
First example on the book we proved e^iz /z , from -inf to inf = ipi
second example was to compute sinx/x
that's nice
15:52
=p
@KasmirKhaan :-(
Just compute the residue at zero
Yes yes I did it but just did not understand the imaginary part idea and real part =p now i do
it was good idea because we can controll e^iz better than cos and sin
How do you call $\Bbb R^3$?
the euclidean (not plane)
there are usually 2 techniques
comparing imaginary parts
on both imaginary and real parts
second the large radius thing we discussed yesterday
by the way it is Dirichlet integral (starting from 0 to infinity)
A beautiful proof is given here ^
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15:56
What's that @DHMO?
Yes the book did it by the same way of improper integrals @BAYMAX
@KasmirKhaan Turn all the trig into the exponentials
@SBM Dirichlet integral = $\displaystyle \int_{\Bbb R_{\ge 0}} \dfrac{\sin x}x \mathrm dx = \dfrac\pi2$
@SimplyBeautifulArt yes thanks =p
yeah @SimplyBeautifulArt
15:56
I got exam on this in 3 days
@KasmirKhaan good luck
I hope I pass :D
thank you ! :D
all the best @KasmirKhaan
@KasmirKhaan have you clicked on the link?
Thank you all :D
Just one of them @DHMO where is the second
15:57
@KasmirKhaan I just gave you one link
nice one@DHMO
Oh yeah
But did not work
proof using Fubini's theorem
@KasmirKhaan what do you mean?
Cant open it
chatjax thingy i guess
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15:58
What is Fubini's theorem?
opening but cannot see math symbols in it!
@KasmirKhaan
I took a screenshot
taking everything up one level
@DHMO thanks! but we have to do it in residue because i got exam on complex analysis =p dont think they allow other methods
(one more variable)
@KasmirKhaan just sharing

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