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04:12
hello
is there a standard model in which 1+1 = 3? for example there exist mod 2 such that 1+1=0 normal model 1+1=2,
04:34
http://math.stackexchange.com/a/877939/53545

Where is $k-\frac{1}{2}$ from?
clever algebraic trick that can be confirmed by expanding
@shaihorowitz would you mind elaborating? thanks
04:51
what is the sum of all the numbers from 1 to n
or to put more concretly in its original beuatiful form what is the sum of the integers from 1 to 100
n(n+1)/2

sorry, I meant the inequality, k - 1/2 < sqrt(k(k-1))
so k is always positive, square both sides and we get k^2-k+1/4 < k^2-k which is false but i don't see this inequality in the link?
@QuaxtonHale what is the exact question
I would like to know, in Shine's answer, how he came up with the second to last line. Specifically, why k-1/2 < sqrt(k(k-1))
i'm not sure but as i noted that inequality is false, i'm going to comment it on the question
05:09
@shaihorowitz Okay, I wasn't sure if I was missing something.
 
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user228700
09:20
Hello :-) I have a small question about probability. Can anybody please help me?
10:23
@TedShifrin Alright. Thanks.
Hi @BalarkaSen
I was wondering if you could suggest a good way to prepare for GRE mathematics subject test
I haven't taken nor prepared for it, so I can't.
Oh ok
thanks anyway :)
 
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user228700
11:43
..?
Huy
Huy
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user228700
12:33
^I meant, can you help me with a certain question that I have in probability. Check my other message.
Huy
Huy
ah, ok
13:27
Hello, does anybody know where I can find a derivation of the following formula (or its name so I can look it up myself):
$$\exp(A) H \exp(-A) = \sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac{1}{n!}\mathrm{ad}^n_{A}(H)$$
or written otherwise
$$\exp(A)H\exp(-A) = \exp(\mathrm{ad}_A)(H)$$
here $A, H$ are operators in some $C^*$ algebra (probably Banach also works), although I'm sure there is a $H$ in Lie group $A$ in Lie algebra version of the statement
@KaumudiHarikumar you can just ask your question, don't "ask to ask" as it says in the side bar^
@s.harp write ad_A as L_A-R_A (where L and R are left and right multiplication), then note that L_A and R_A commute so exp(ad_A)=exp(L_A)exp(R_A)
not sure about convergence issues I usually sweep that stuff under the rug
@arctictern I can find the convergence if I can see how the combinatorics works out, I'll look at it some
ok haha yes that works quite nicely
Funny random question: Is there any geometrical reason that this matrix:

$$A=\begin{pmatrix} 0 & -\varphi \\ \varphi^{-1} & -\varphi \end{pmatrix}$$

featuring the golden ratio $\varphi=\frac{1}{2}(1+\sqrt 5)$ satisfies $A^5=\operatorname{id}$?
I'm asking for geometry because of $\varphi$ (hopefully clear)
It's an element of $SL(2,\Bbb R)$ (that generates a $\Bbb Z_5$ subgroup)
13:43
thinking
algebraically, it'll come from $A^2+\varphi A+\text{id}=0$.
The algebra is more or less obvious.
i guess so.
$\varphi$ has enough algebraic identities that it's not surprising
Geometry doe :'(
I don't see anything geometric. If anyone can, it'd probably be @arctictern.
anybody around?
13:59
@BalarkaSen seems like an obvious question for the main site, then
14:23
it doesn't answer the question, but the orbit of (1,0)^T under that transformation is pretty suggestive:
@Semiclassical Cool!
it's also notable that, if you label the vertices counter-clockwise as 1,2,3,4,5
the order it moves through them is 1, 3, 5, 2, 4
yeah, that was clear :)
in that sense it suggests to me that studying $A^2$ might be easier, since that would go 5,4,3,2,1
hmm
14:31
of course, there's also some vertical shear involved.
probably there's some cute way to decompose $A$ such that that becomes obvious.
I feel like there's a simpler way to view this that I'm not seeing, ugh.
14:46
Hi @Alyosha.
Hi
Can someone help me ??
I have to do some college homework :)
If someone would be so kind to help me
"don't ask to ask"
which is to say, as per the room description, ask the question and then see if people will help.
we may be interested, we may not. but we can't decide that until you've asked the question.
Oh ok, sorry
If p is the plane created by the points (0,1,1) and (1,0,1)
Fixing a problem in my argument is becoming annoying.
14:55
And be S the space reflexion respect to 90°
Calculate S(1,2,3)
15:15
Hello.
@Maks I can't stick around to answer this, but I'm also not sure I understand what's being asked. Are you saying, what is the mirror image of (1,2,3) with respect to the plane created by (0,1,1) and (1,0,1)? If so, that's probably a clearer statement than the above.
What can you do the composition (I'll use this circle charecter for now " 。") operation between? A function and a value seems reasonable, for example: Increment 。4 = 5
I'm looking at stuff to do with groups and it seems that it can also be done between two states, the values themselves that go into sets
This is a lot like applying matrices to each other, which seems to mean "dot product", like you just multiply them together. I'm increasingly thinking of applying values to other values as being multiplication, is this reasonable?
16:15
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Q: vector identity of non zero and parallel vectors.

ffahimhow this could be proofed that if AB and CD are two non zero vectors then AB =mCD IF AND ONLY IF AB II CD.? how this could be proofed ?

pls can anybody help to answer?????
@ffahim What is there to prove? If $\vec{AB}~ ||~ \vec{CD}$ then they're in the same direction. They would only differ in magnitude.
look why this identity can't be proof?@Obliv
I guess you could prove the existence of $m$ with $\frac{|\vec{AB}|}{|\vec{CD}|} = m$ then $\vec{AB} = m\vec{CD}$
what u wanted to mean. pls make sure. :-)@Obliv
@ffahim Do you understand english? I'm not trying to sound mean but if you can't understand our answers then that's on you.
16:27
let's suppose x^2 - 5x +6=0, if u put the value of 3 or 2 it will proof the equation. but that doesn't mean that only 3 or only 2 could be the value of x. cause both 3 and 2 are the solutions @Obliv
that's what i want to say @Obliv , it is very possilble that those |AB| / |CD| = m , coincedently.... i know this given problem is true... or else no one would use this for so many years.... but i just wanted a solution if u want to give.
@ffahim It's certain that if you define m as the ratio of the two vectors, then multiplying one vector by the other (using the correct ratio that is) will leave you with the same vector. This is logically sound. There is nothing to prove.
If these vectors are parallel, then their directions are the same (or one is pointing in the opposite direction. In this case m must be negative). The way we define vectors is by both magnitude and direction. If they are both equivalent, then there is no way to tell AB from CD that is why we call them equal.
17:00
Is there a proof online which proves $\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n^2}$ is irrational?
17:30
@deostroll Pi is irrational so Pi^2 is probably also irrational.
no i feel there is a proof of that...
$\sqrt{2}$ is irrational, but $(\sqrt{2})^2$ isn't.
@deostroll You want a proof that $\pi$ is transcendental (which is stronger).
That's standard, and is probably online.
Huy
Huy
@MatsGranvik I hope that was a joke
@Huy We hope because we fear. And what we fear is usually true.
Huy
Huy
ok
17:33
My hunch is that even before euler found that out, it was proved to be irrational...
Is every conformal map a biholomorphism?

A conformal map is holomorphic. But, (at least intuitively) if a map is conformal (preserves angles), it has inverse, which preserves angles too... But a conformal map is (nonconstant) holomorphic!

So it is holomorphic with holomorphic inverse...

Is that right?
17:53
Is there a name for a matrix that is completely filled with nonzero values? One has names for things such as diagonal or tridiagonal matrices, but is there something for the filled one?
"generic"?
18:12
I think generic isn't good, because this might include zero values. Maybe FILLED is better ^_^
I think of "generic" as "element picked randomly from a (Zariski) open set". Matrices with at least one zero entry indeed form a closed set in the space of all matrices; hence matrices with nonzero entries form a Zariski open set. So that's a fine choice of word depending on how one interprets it.
There are certainly not much matrices with a single zero entry out there so I don't think there's any way to misinterpret it.
@AndersonFelipeViveiros What's your definition of conformal? Holomorphic maps which have nonzero derivative at a point preserve angles, but clearly such maps need not have a global holomorphic inverse.
19:15
Hi all :D
hi
Where can I get the graph of " f(n) = nth tetration of p " where p is a const. ? Is it possible to plot this on wolframalpha ? please help
:)
19:26
Is there an easy example of 3x3 symmetric positive definite matrix that the Jacobi iterative method doesn't converge ?
19:37
@TedShifrin So I learned about that holomorphic sections of the line bundle $\mathcal O(-D)$ associated to the effective divisors should be seen as holomorphic functions whose divisors multiply $D$, i.e. $(f)\geq D$.
This fits nicely into the short exact sequence of sheaves (note: I use the same symbol for a vector bundle and its sheaf of sections) $$ 0\to \mathcal O(-D) \to \mathcal O_X \to \mathcal O_D \to 0$$
which *defines* $\mathcal O_D$ in Huybrechts
Now, I'm trying to think what happens for non-effective (arbitrary) divisors
Is it as simple as

$$ 0 \to \mathcal O(-D) \to \mathcal K_X \to \mathcal O_D \to 0$$ where $\mathcal K_X$ is the sheaf of meromorphic functions?
oh god
@AndersonFelipeViveiros Conformal maps are locally injective, but not necessarily globally injective. You could have a map from the disc to an annulus that "loops around" the annulus, and isn't injective.
An injective conformal map is a biholomorphism.
o/ Mike!
@MikeMiller WHAT? :D
20:02
@Danu: You bellowed at me again?
You're making me feel bad about it. I'll stop the instant you ask me to: Please don't endure my questions if you don't feel like it.
Ted used to make up for it in my case by asking me question too (answers to which, eventually, answered my questions) :D
Danu's questions are too hard.
I agree.
@MikeMiller But... :(
I think Ted finds them moderately easy, actually
20:09
Yeah, but for us mere mortals.
@MikeMiller: I've saw in Wikipedia that there are two NOT EQUIVALENT definitions for conformal maps. I think I need this one:

A map f defined on an open set is said to be conformal if it is one-to-one and holomorphic.

Under which conformal maps are equivalent to biholomorphic maps.

Thank you!
@TedShifrin So, do you have any comment on my idea?
@Danu: BTW, $\mathscr O(-D)$ makes sense even when $D$ isn't effective, as you know. It just is the sheaf of germs of meromorphic functions with $(f)+D\ge 0$. So you're worrying that this is not a subsheaf of $\mathscr O$ when $D$ fails to be effective.
@TedShifrin Yes, exactly
It's not, right?
@AndersonFelipeViveiros That's true. It depends entirely on context.
20:19
Sure, because if $D=-P$, then sections can have a pole of order $1$ at $P$.
I'm just wondering if modifying the SES by replacing $\mathcal O$ by $\mathcal K$ is the correct thing to do
That's why I asked for the definition above.
hi @Mike @Balarka
@TedShifrin Exactly. You're talking about the Riemann surface case, right.
Hi @TedShifrin
20:19
Morning.
I am, @Danu, but we can do the same thing with divisors in general.
Thank you, too! @Bala
Ah, g'night @Mike.
*Thank you, too! @BalarkaSen
@TedShifrin Of course, just replace pole at $P$ by pole along the irreducible hypersurface $Y$
20:20
I don't think putting in $\mathcal K$ is right, @Danu.
(which, by the way, I have no intuition for at all. What does it mean, geometrically?)
That allows way too much craziness.
@TedShifrin Okay. So can I still write down a similar SES?
It means it blows up along the hypersurface, same as the Riemann surface case.
More or less.
Just think in local coordinates, at least at smooth points of $Y$. So locally $Y$ looks like $z^1=0$ and you allow $z^1$ in the denominator, etc.
20:21
Is there a bundle-theoretic interpretation of the isomorphism $H^1(X) \cong [X, S^1]$ (assume $X$ is an orientable manifold)?
@MikeMiller But what is "blowing up along a hypersurface"?
Read what I wrote, @Danu.
@TedShifrin Okay, thanks
So it's really $\infty$ "everywhere" on $Y$
In a more precise sense than that, but yes.
@Danu Replace the hypersurface with the projectivized normal bundle of the hypersurface, I think.
20:22
@BalarkaSen ??
No, no, @Balarka, we're not talking about that sort of blow-up.
Don't confuzle the poor lad.
Oh, ha
I know that kind of blowup too!
yikes, I'll scurry off
As in I read about it for 5 minutes---it's coming up in the next section.
likes it when Balarka scurries
right, @Danu.
20:24
@Danu It explodes on the hypersurface.
@Balarka What does bundle-theoretic mean?
OK, so you need the quotient to have principal parts at each of the poles (up to the prescribed order), @Danu. For example if $D=nP$, we should have $$0\to \mathscr O\to \mathscr O(nP) \to \Bbb C_P^n\to 0$$
Maybe you'd prefer I say "Use the sheaf exact sequence Z -> R -> S^1". The latter is H^0(X,S^1). The sheaf of continuous R-valued functions is acyclic.
@TedShifrin What is $\bigoplus \Bbb C$?
20:28
@Danu: So, in general, I think you'd need to split the divisor up as $D-E$, where $D$ and $E$ are each effective. I was just writing $\Bbb C^n$ in a way as to emphasize you think of one copy of $\Bbb C$ for each Laurent coefficient.
Sheaf of sections into direct sum of locally constant functions?
oops ... no, this is concentrated at $P$. Skyscraper sheaf.
I can't edit. Rats. It should be $\Bbb C_P^n$.
@MikeMiller an analogous version of the geometric interpretation of $H^1(X; \Bbb Z/2) \cong [X, \Bbb{RP}^\infty]$, I mean to say. Can that be done (something something principal bundle)? The interpretation of the $\Bbb Z$ coeff version I know is by making a map $X \to S^1$ transverse to a pt and taking preimage.
@TedShifrin I can :)
Damn show-off.
20:30
lol
Oops, put a $\to 0$ at the end, while you're at it.
Now delete all the conversation :D
But that's not helpful for fixing a hole in an argument I have :(
What was wrong with what I gave you?
@Balarka: Did you look up the Darling book to which I referred?
Sounds more or less precisely like what you asked for.
I recommended Morita, which covers similar material, IIRC.
20:32
@MikeM: Balarka hasn't learned sheaves yet.
@TedShifrin Got it downloaded.
Oh cool.
So @TedShifrin, you're saying there is nothing similar to the SES for effective divisors in the general case
I don't want to hear about any immoral behavio(u)r, though.
@MikeMiller oh I thought you were talking to Danu.
20:32
I'm also confused about Mike's talking---I decided he was talking to Balarka, haha
@Danu Well, I did say this a bit earlier.
@TedShifrin Okay, right!
@TedShifrin I don't believe that. How else would he understand a "bundle-theoretic proof" that RP^infty = H^1(X;Z/2)? To show that the latter corresponds also to line bundles, you want the sheaf exact sequence.
Oh, topology courses do that all the time without sheaf cohomology, @MikeM.
I know!
20:34
But the idea that (effective) divisor $\leftrightarrow$ (holomorphic) meromorphic function, that's right, yes?
Maybe it's analogous to the sheaf exact sequence proof you have in mind but I just pullback the tautological bundle.
@BalarkaSen You're being circular.
Sure, @Danu. Of course, there are no global sections other than 0 in the effective case.
The "bundle-theoretic proof" you're providing is that RP^infty = K(Z/2,1), which classifies both line bundles and elements of H^1(X;Z/2). But that doesn't pass through line bundles to prove the isomorphism between [X,RP^infty] and H^1.
A proof that doesn't start with that isomorphism via homotopy theory uses sheaves.
@TedShifrin There aren't?
20:36
Not on a compact RS, @Danu. The only global holomorphic functions are constants, and if you require that the functions vanish somewhere, you're dead. You need to allow poles to get global meromorphic functions.
No, that's not right! I have a proposition that says that for any effective divisor, there exists a nonzero global section of $\mathcal O(D)$ such that $Z(s)=D$.
Now if you tensor with some line bundle, then it gets more interesting.
@MikeMiller can't one identify H^1(X;Z/2) with the group of line bundles on X beforehand?
@TedShifrin Right, that seems convincing :P
20:37
Right. I was talking about $\mathscr O(-D)$, which is where you started.
So why does my above thing not apply?
@TedShifrin Ohh, yes. Okay.
I didn't learn that yet from this book, though I think I've seen that from Forster's book.
line bundles are classified by their unit S^0 bundle (modulo a choice of a metric). that's classified by maps pi_1(X) --> Z/2.
Sure you have @Danu.
that doesn't pass through the K(Z/2, 1) business
Fine. [X,S^1] = [X,BZ] classifies principal Z-bundles. Becauze Z is discrete, these are classifies by homomorphisms pi_1 -> Z.
Not very exciting.
If you wanted to classify what subgroups of a given group arose as centralizers, how would you approach that?
The obvious person to ask is @arctictern. I'd like to do this for SO(3) and SU(2) (closed subgroups, of course). I know the answer and the geometric meaning, but not the proof.
20:42
Indeed, ask anon.
You mean centralizer of some subgroup?
Yes.
I guess centralizers are automatically closed, but whatever.
I'm having an unpleasantly tough time with this :p
I'm just thinking of the group theory. So the orbit when we act by conjugation is the conjugate subgroups and the stabilizer is the centralizer.
Haven't a clue.
But it seems to me this should have some representation-theoretic set-up.
Seems like it probably starts with a classification of closed subgroups. Possible, not that fun.
20:46
You might ask @Tobias when you see him.
Centralizer of a positive-dimensional subgroup is either S^1 or Z/2. Not too hard to see. Then one deals with the finite subgroups.
@MikeMiller eh, fair. I thought of something which might be troubling but I forgot what it is.
I guess @Danu is done bellowing at me for now? :D
@TedShifrin Err... I'm being madly distracted by the PSE chat.
There are a lot of troubling things out there. A fascist is pulling nearly half the vote in the US, and I didn't place first in poker last night.
20:47
I think so.
For the life of me, I can't decide which upsets me more, @MikeM.
@MikeMiller Throwing around the word fascist is just weakening the term.
I don't think people should do that.
@MikeMiller hah.
Good point. I'll never use it.
I concur with Danu.
20:48
Is he winning then?
But Trump is THE WORST.
I haven't got a clue about the elections in US
A man who has a large number of supporters with open fondness for white nationalism and neo-naziism. Would you prefer that?
He's been a poor businessman, on top of everything, mostly a crook. But everyone believes his bullshit PR.
No, of course not.
@TedShifrin So I heard.
20:50
Anyway, @Ted wants to drink his martinis, so you should wrack his brain instead of dealing with the zoo before he leaves.
@MikeMiller Is that supposed to be ironic?
Because I genuinely think it's not right to call Trump a fascist.
Too early for martinis, and I'm playing bridge tonight with a good player, so I need to be awake. Plus, my stomach is totally messed up from this antibiotic, so no booze.
No, it's not. I shouldn't have introduced the debate. Sorry.
Sorry to hear that. Antibiotics are worst.
I've got a lemma to prove.
20:51
This is the first time I've had such serious issues, @Balarka. Now I'm temporarily off 'em, waiting to see what the doctor says tomorrow. Ugh.
@MikeMiller Good luck! I should get back to complex geometry---I've been useless today.
He'll probably change the antibiotic to something that suits you. That's what they do for me, at least.
Anyway, @Ted wants to take his antibiotics, so ibid.
We'll see, @Balarka: This is the type that's normally prescribed for these sorts of issues, so I dunno. I had it years ago without the side-effects ... I'm just tooooo old.
Get to work, @Danu.
You'll be fine.
I have to work too but I am very tired.
Want holidays badly.
20:55
Go to sleep for a change, @Balarka.
There's so many successful and reasonably honest capitalists that would probably make decent presidents. The one running now is neither of those things.
Heya @PVAL. You nominating Mitt now? :P
Or maybe Shrub? :D
I think the people I'd nominate have no interest in being president.
Oh, successful and reasonably honest. Fuggetaboudit.
@PVAL That's the trick.
20:57
Buffet, Gates, Musk are some very obvious examples that are already household names.
I basically always figured that anyone who really wanted to be department head shouldn't be. Generally, power-hungry academics are not pleasant.
Gates is a good guy as far as I heard. Good taste.
The fear I have of a Mittens presidency is a very different flavor than Golden Don.
There's a lot more to world politics than running a corporation.
Anyhow ... you guys have maths to do.
@PVAL How's your work? We haven't talked in a while.
20:58
Thats assuming the people running the show at the moment have some qualifications in "world politics"
Well, one clearly does. We may not adore her, but she does.
Anyhow, enough of this for now. Bubye.
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