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00:26
Hello all!
00:37
@PVAL: Which Rasmussen was it,
Both
It's the "Simple Floer manifold" paper
There might be two of those.
Fair enough.
@MikeMiller Whatever I was trying to do, I guess was doomed to fail anyway.
Yet I still messed up something and showed the Poincare homology sphere was not an l-space..
00:57
Ah G-spaces. They come before H-spaces right?
Yes, and definitely before L-spaces.
I looked whats the question supposed to be.
All the examples I care about are probably homogeneous spaces.
I think it's "what's a G-space" and "whats a reference on G-spaces". I gave the second.
See the commentsif you didn't.
Ah you were refering to the question asker not to me.
Oh I'm sorry.
Yea completely unrelated.
01:02
Well I think Milnor proved that the things I am looking at are homogeneous spaces.
Really? That's pretty surprising.
I wonder when it was first known that the Lie group was diffeomorphic to $\Bbb R^3$.
Very cool
@PVAL: Malcev-Iwasawa says it's diffeomorphic to $G \times \Bbb R^3$, $G$ compact. This should be old knowledge, but at least it was long known that it's a vector bundle over $G$.
\Bbb R^n sorry
Ya I guess its trivial then
Yea so you're either R^3 or S^3
01:09
Well its only S^3 in one case.
No one cares about that case
/s
I think a few cases
For instance $\Sigma(2,2,2)$
I meant for (p,q,r) coprime
What about (1,1,1)
yeah $\Sigma(p,p,p)$ should be $L(p,1)$ if I remember right
howdy @PVAL, goodnight @MikeM
01:20
I think so too but don't remember. Brieskorn spheres are really hard, even if they're the easiest 3-manifolds.
Oh hey Ted. :0
@MikeMiller Nevermind its (2,2,r)
Well there's certainly only 1 case when p,q,r are coprime
oh hey @SAWblade, whoever you are.
@Ted hi.
I suppose I have been gone from this space for a long time. xD
All I ever talked about were self-avoiding walks anyhow.
01:23
I don't remember your name, but I'm old.
My name is also Ted! xD
Tedward
Oh, how confuzling.
Don't kill anyone.
Good advice from PVAL.
01:27
He's referring to all the infamous ex-math murderers named Ted, of course.
One of them was Berkeley + MIT, like me, I believe.
They're also ex-murderers.
"I have no intention of killing again. On the other hand, I cannot predict the future."
Unsure about the ex part
I guess it depends what a murderer is.
You're thinking of murderee, methinks.
not sure what an ex-murderee would be
seems kind of permanent
01:36
Well they certainly wouldnt be doing math
I think once a murderer, always a murderer. But a murderee is soon ex.
:D
Oh, and hi, @Semiclassic.
@Ted: Is someone who made a call still a caller, even after they hang up?
You make a good point, but I think that someone who murders is always branded a murderer. Am I not still a teacher, even though I've quit? :D
You're unemployed. A bum. Living off the teet of the working people.
01:42
I like being branded a bum.
Not sure I like the teet image, though.
It's what you have to look forward to in Trumperica.
Is it not teat?
Also, Ted, I believe you are a topologist of sorts?
Or you mentioned you taught topology.
I like taut topology.
@SAWblade: He can't respond. He's too hurt from being branded one of us dirty topologists.
Haha.
I'm currently taking point-set topology.
01:49
Ya that was way worse than what I said.
It's rough. xD
Our professor just throws 5 theorems a class at us and we have to prove them before we can go home. xD
That's good, though. Builds character.
He calls it a trial by fire.
I like it. I just wish it was the only thing I had this semester so I could actually give it the attention it deserves.
I had to fight through proving that if $X$ is separable and $Y$ is separable, then $X \times Y$ is separable last time.
I should really work on research ... it's begun to stagnate.
Me too.
Mine's stagnant even when I work on it.
Someone in my year told me they proved a really nice theorem.
01:59
Did they?
Idk
I haven't seen the proposed example
Want to tell me what it is?
The claimed thing
@SAWblade, nah, I'm no topologist. I was a differential geometer/complex algebraic geometer. But, yes, I've taught a bunch of topology (and lots of other things).
Proving the product of separable is separable doesn't sound like much of a fight.
@MikeMiller I sent it to you.
It was to me. xD
02:04
What was your argument?
It's confusing when you're still attempting to wrap your head around what a subbasis is.
Whoa ... why are we doing that?
We're just talking about the product of two spaces.
The product topology is defined by subbasses(?) formed by the inverse projection of open sets on the two sets $X$ and $Y$.
But for finite products, you don't need anything so esoteric. You just take the product of basis elements to get a basis.
It's not finite.
02:05
You told me $X$ and $Y$.
Yeah. :0
OH.
I misunderstood.
LOL.
It's ok.
The infinite product case should be just as easy.
But much more confusing for a beginner.
I believe that was also a proof we had to do that day. xD
02:07
Actually, @PVAL, I'm not sure it's even right.
I have grading to do and I don't want to think about this.
Hmm ... LOL
I will gladly distract myself from grading by thinking about other things though.
I should be doing my Topology homework. xD
This is your topology homework, @SAWblade.
02:08
I did that proof. xD
Careful, or I'll send you the midterm I just gave my two students :P
heya mr @Pedro.
I could use the practice. xD
You're about to miss two great dinners, mr @Pedro, so come on by if you feel like it ... :P
Yeah, @PVAL is right. It's true for arbitrary products.
Aw.
What kind of dinner?
02:10
LOL ... one a birthday dinner for 3 friends, one for one of my best friends who'll be visiting from Michigan in a few weeks.
That's nice.
Only one other math person, though ... my friend/ex-student Eric, whom you met and who speaks fluent Spanish.
But what's for dinner, I mean.
He's now a UCSD grad student.
Ah, yes.
Recalling Eric.
02:11
Check FB :P
He had black hair and beard, right?
Yup.
You're good.
under whom?
I'm never good at remembering details.
He's doing applied stuff, although he's taking algebraic topology.
Ah. What book?
02:12
Ah so he's a first year then?
Yup, first year.
If it's Hatcher he's probably suffering.
It's Hatcher.
I think I'll never make amends with his writing style.
It was fine, but Roberts decided to go through cohomology in 3 lectures.
I like Hatcher, although I don't write books the same way he does.
02:13
Writers I love are Halmos, Rotman, Carothers, Jacobson.
But Eric took Guillemin & Pollack, so he has intuition from that, but apparently not enough for the reams of algebra. That's my issue with algebraic topology in general.
Rotman is good. I'm less fond of Halmos. And I've never heard of Carothers.
Thanks for leaving me off your list of likes, mr @Pedro. :D
Ted, check out Carother's "A short course on Banach Theory."
Is it illegally available on-line?
02:15
@TedShifrin Well, I like your style when teaching. I've never read your books thoroughly, if I'm honest!
Hatcher is a mess to read. Very wordy, almost impossible to reference the things you want. There are a lot of important things that are only briefly mentioned inline.
yes, I knew that, mr @Pedro ... and you've never really seen teaching, either, unless you count a video or so.
@PVAL I think a representative example is his proof of the fact homotopic maps descend to homotopic chain maps.
I still don't get his leaving out surjectivity for covering maps, either, @PVAL. WTF?
The exercises are both doable and challenging though and importantly numerous.
02:16
He introduces so many new concepts in the proof. Ugh.
@TedShifrin That's because he allows empty indexing sets.
It's a stupid technicality.
@TedShifrin Well, I've seen your videos, and you're super clear.
But why does he do that?
Perhaps just to annoy you Ted.
To me, Hatcher wins hands-down because all other alg top books of which I'm aware having terrible exercises — mostly just verifying algebra. Spanier has a few good exercises, but still ...
mr @Pedro, I'm sure people live just to annoy me. Well, I know students have. :P
I remember trying to read the computation of $pi_1(S^1)$ and thinking I should quit math.
@PVAL Hatcher's?
02:20
Ya
@TedShifrin Spanier has a few exercises, yes. His exposition is quite slower than Hatcher's, but he's very meticulous. It is also more dry in the applications area. Hatcher gives useful techniques, which Spanier sometimes doesn't.
Then later he references like specific details of it in the general covering space theory.
Spanier is way, way abstract, with very little geometric. Hatcher is very geometric.
I like learning from examples.
@PVAL Right. I like Spanier's approach, which uses the $H$-group/cogroup structure of $S^1$, and this lemma on compatible operations.
It is more algebraic, which suits me.
chokes
02:22
I'm a nasty algebraist.
disavows friendship with Pedro
I think Hatcher's approach is probably fine. He should just define covering spaces (and prove the basic facts about them), if he wants to show it using covering spaces.
@TedShifrin pouts
Well, it's all Lebesgue numbers and the stack of records theorem.
Instead of still proving it using covering spaces without ever mentioning them and then referencing this completely arbitrary looking proof when building up the general theory.
02:23
You're the one who called yourself a "nasty algebraist," Pedro, sir.
You're not friends with algebraists?
I haven't looked at that proof, @PVAL. I shall. ... I'm gonna make my two students go through Munkres's stuff on covering spaces and $\pi_1$ anyhow.
Only a few select ones, @Pedro. Generally, I don't get along with algebraists.
I like Hatcher, but not enough to fight people about him.
They're boring.
If you really want something unreadable go find his proof of the Smale conjecture.
02:24
Hilton Eckmann, that's the lemma.
Never hoid of it.
Hilton-Eckmann?
BTW, Pedro, I can only find a few pages of Carothers.
Eckmann-Hilton *
Well, @Ted. It says that if you have a set $S$ and two operations $\circ,\ast$ that are compatible in the sense that $(a\circ b)\ast (c\circ d) = (a\ast c) \circ (b\ast d)$ and admit units, then they are the same operation and are in fact commutative.
02:27
Damn, symbol pushing.
This is used say to show that the higher homotopy groups are abelian.
That's not the proof I learned.
I pushed cubes around to see it.
Well, its the same idea.
You can compose homotopies in two ways in higher dimensions.
02:28
Yes, but why make it into formal algebra?
Because it shows up a lot.
Sorta like formalizing acyclic models.
Which I actually liked.
For example, the Yoneda and the cup product in the Ext ring for a Hopf algebra has this property, I think.
I think it's a pity to cripple oneself by refusing to think in different ways than one is comfortable with.
But no longer remember.
Well, @MikeM, call me a cripple. It's ok.
02:29
So it's unfortunate that I do it.
I think I've accused plenty of other people of the same thing.
Well its also a pity to think in useless ways...
So the Yoneda product is commutative in good cases, or at least graded-commutative. I cannot recall now.
LOL
I like you, @PVAL :P
Mariano knows about it, check arxiv.org/abs/math/0209029
02:29
Mariano knows about everything.
That's also true.
@Pedro: We have all crippled ourselves and stopped listening the moment you said Yoneda product.
LOL ... I never remember the Yoneda lemma, even though Balarka mentions it every day. Oh, I haven't seen him in a few days. I hope his health hasn't deteriorated.
@MikeMiller Haha. My friends do the same thing. Oh, wait. Mike is my friend.
I wish I could vote to close MO questions.
02:31
A few of us used to be your friends :P
Mariano didn't take the opportunity to spell "Carl" in a paper.
He could've spelled "Earl".
$(C,\otimes,e,a,r,l)$.
When I can't easily read the abstract, I don't bother :P
@MikeMiller I think something like 6/8 of the last GT questions have been trash.
maybe a little less than that.
Not enough rep on MO, @MikeM?
Correct @Ted. See here.
02:34
@MikeMiller Just ask why $\Bbb C^n$ has a symplectic structure.
Is this the same person who was posting similar questions on MSE?
Ah.. I was the one who said that was just the Frobenius theorem here.
Well, in dimension 3, it's trivially Frobenius. Crazy.
He doesn't have a post about this on MSE.
Well, there's someone who's posted similar integrability/distribution questions recently on MSE.
02:35
I answer trivialities sometimes.
Yes, I told him to stop and think for once by the time I saw his third.
I'm OK with that; so do I. (Although more of my own diff geo homework problems are showing up as questions, and I don't like having all the answers to my problems posted.) ... But that doesn't belong on MO.
Yes, @PVAL, looks identical (except for a name) to me.
OK, I've got stuff to do in the kitchen. See y'all later.
It is. Ok, yes, it would be nice if he spent time doing this.
I take it back. I am not willing to write an answer on MSE.
He edited. Now it says "Someone else's".
@PVAL: I responded to your email. It's curiosity, not incredulity.
Well if no such example existed Yasui's paper about contractible 4-manifolds would have proven there exists a contractible 4-manifold which isn't Stein.
Hi, Dr. Shifrin!
02:41
Darn
02:52
It's kind of a really natural question to ask after knowing about Legendrian surgery.
If it was proven false immediately it would not be a big deal though (though its been >20 years since Legendrian surgery was invented)
@EricStucky Hey. So after reading over your answer to me, I found that it was quite difficult for me to write my answer in terms of limits in category theory like here: ncatlab.org/nlab/show/limit. I hope that you could clear this up for me.
@JulianRachman What are you up to now?
@MikeMiller Its also a statement which is somehow just about kirby moves and projections of knots, which is really nice. There's no manifold theory necessary to motivate it.
Someone visiting here proved that (maybe errors in my statement of it) that alternating knots with unknotting number 1 had an unknotting crossing in any alternating diagram (using some Heegard-Floer and Donaldson's theorem I think). I really liked that statement because the theorem statement has really no actual "mathematical" content (like its really a statement about pieces of string which are circles rather than about embeddings up to isotopy) though the proof involved heavy mathematics.
03:20
I believe that result. Really beautiful thoigh. Was this Jen Hom maybe?
nah
That's very beautiful.
I forgot his name
Apparently hes becoming a postdoc here next year.
At least I remembered the result correctly
03:56
huh
Ah yeah I think i missed a talk he gave.
He probably wrote that paper at about the point in his career that I'm supposed to be at...
I have a big speech coming up :)
have to present my research in 15 minutes
by the way I have a question
I am working on three unrelated problems in topology... I have made some progress on each of them but nothing major yet. Should I keep thinking about all three or force myself to focus on one of them?
Giving a talk in 15 minutes sounds exceedingly difficult.
Also that seems like a good question for your advisor.
Youll enjoy the graduate topology conference then.
04:06
I am not worried about the 15m things.
i think my advisor is okay with it
I think all but one of the 15 min talks I went to was over my head or bad.
If I care what someone is doing I can just ask them later.
I will try to have lots of pictures
less talking
I am more worried about whether they'll ever email me about funding.
04:09
@MikeMiller you are a graduate student right?
man I am addicted to these potato chips
have to stop eating them
I think the talks that I probably understood the least are the closest to what I ended up trying to do...
you tried to pack in too much information?
Hehehe
04:14
I thought about making an animated video
to make it entertaining
I see Bahar talked last year. Did you go to hers?
ever done 3 minute thesis? almost impossible for math
@MikeMiller I don't remember.
Oh at the conference?
No I went 2 years ago
when it was in Texas.
here
I see.
@Forever: I'm not about to try.
a short pixar film will do
04:23
Well @PVAL some of the talks looked nice. But that's from an abstract.
has anyone watched six feet under before?
ya
this show is crazy
I am on season 3
so no spoilers please :)
It's a good show.
yeah I like Richard Jenkins
the father
but he's dead
04:32
Michael C. Hall's subplot kind of gets boring at like season 4 ish
and I like the older brother
he reminds me of a friend I used to have
yeah the dexter guy is too emotional
I watches dead like me. Does that count?
sounds similar, but I've never see it
@PedroTamaroff category theory that's what :)
omg is she dead
04:38
Deadwood's probably the best show of all time.
I will watch that next
Carnivale as well..
yeah carnivale was good, but short
Both of those shows got canceled before they were ready to be done.
there will be blood reminded me or carnivale a little
04:40
I think Ian McShane in Deadwood is probably the best role/acting in any TV show or film I've ever seen.
omg she is pregnant
is that the guy from Sexy Beast?
I can't google that here...
oh yeah it is
you should see that movie
he is amazing
the only new tv show I watch is better call saul
Homeland is pretty good.
Homeland actually probably had its best season this year.
my electromagnetics professor told us to quit and go be a lawyer if we couldn't do the math
omg is she dead
this episode is crazy
04:46
Sorry to hear about your loss.
lol?
oh lord is the guy who is always evil
with the nose
but he was nice in Babe
the pig owner
she dead
oh my
drove in the ditch
@Huy
that I can tell you
she drove into the ocean how sad
such depressing
I think she drowned
todd rundgren
05:38
Oh, to live on Sugar Mountain
With the barkers and the colored balloons,
You can't be twenty on Sugar Mountain
Though you're thinking that
you're leaving there too soon
06:00
When you're solving a system of equations with a matrix and you end up with get a row that contains that $1$ and $-1$ with zeroes everywhere else in the row reduced form, why does that mean the system has no solutions?
@DeMoivre Do you know how to go back and forth from matrix notation and an actual explicit linear system of solutions?
06:19
@PVAL I was confused! A row containing just $1$ and $-1$ with zeroes everywhere else doesn't mean the system has no solutions.
 
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07:21
@DeMoivre: so what does the matrix look like all in all?
 
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09:05
Given the linear map $T(\mathbf{x}) = \mathbf{Ax}$, what's meant by "the image point $T(3 \mathbf{e}_1-2\mathbf{e}_2 - \mathbf{e}_3)$"? And how do you find this?
@GGG It is a map, so each element in the domain has an image.
you could also call it the value
GGG
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@TobiasKildetoft Okay. So I've been searching online, couldn't find anything on it. How do I solve it. Does it help that I've already calculated the null space of the map?
@GGG You are not familiar with what the image (or value) of a map is?
I mean, if I have a map $f$ and write $f(1)$ you would know what that means, right?
GGG
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09:31
@TobiasKildetoft my matrix $\mathbf{A}$ is a four (rows) by three (columns) - am I allowed to multiply by that vector?
@GGG Yes, it sends vectors with three components to ones with four components
GGG
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Oh, wow! I was stuck on this for time 'cause I thought I couldn't do that! Thank you.
remember which matrices can be multiplied
(and vectors are matrices too of course)
 
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12:16
@ForeverMozart Dude, stop drinking so much.
@PedroTamaroff UGH
Eckmann-Hilton is good for proving top. groups have abelian $\pi_1$ though.
@PedroTamaroff You and your algebraic vulgarization functors.
Huy
Huy
12:44
@DanielFischer: I'm not sure about the application of Cauchy-Schwarz in this proof. shouldn't I get a factor $(1+|\eta|^2)^t$ in both integrals after the inequality? the way I understand it, we first use CS to get the norm of the two functions wrt. the $L^2$ norm, which is less or equal to the Sobolev norm which is equivalent to the Sobolev norm defined with the Fourier transform (for general $s \in \mathbb{R}$). this would lead to an exponent $t$ and not $-t$.
@DanielFischer: nevermind, they apply Cauchy Schwarz differently than I thought. I found out how now.
13:10
Morning
Just added a bounty to a recent question of mine:
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Q: Does the functional equation $p(x^2)=p(x)p(x+1)$ have a combinatorial interpretation?

SemiclassicalA recent question asked about polynomial solutions to the functional equation $p(x^2)=p(x)p(x+1)$. Subsequently, Robert Israel posted an answer showing that solutions are necessarily of the form $p(x)=x^m(x-1)^m$. What I had hoped to do myself was provide a solution by interpreting $p(x)$ as a g...

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13:25
@MikeMiller: I have an argument to generalize Rellich to compact manifolds. if you have some time, can you ping me and I'll write it down? I'm not quite sure if it's correct since it seems a bit too easy.
 
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14:59
@Huy: Feel free. You should expect the generalization to be easy.
15:11
@robjohn Sorry to bother. I have a problem with finding an example to certain kind of maps called derivation
Could you help please?
16:07
Sorry I was away
@robjohn Derivations in Banach algebras
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16:18
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A: Vectors that form basis in $\mathbb{R}^3$ and transition matrix

mvwThe given vector $x$ $$ x = 4 e_1+ 4 e_3 $$ can be represented according the first or the second basis too. \begin{align} x &= x_1^{(0)} b_1^{(0)} + x_2^{(0)} b_2^{(0)} + x_3^{(0)} b_3^{(0)} = (x_1^{(0)},x_2^{(0)},x_3^{(0)})^T = [x]_0 \\ &= x_1^{(1)} b_1^{(1)} + x_2^{(1)} b_2^{(1)} + x_3^{(1)} ...

Am I misunderstanding the whole concept when I say I'm caught in-between two non-standard basis? Or maybe that wasn't the transition matrix I was supposed to find. Could someone please explain.
hello there. I have a question. As we consider diagonals of bisimplicial objects, can't we consider the diagonal of a double chain complex? If we take the convention that double complex = chain complex in chain complexes (i.e. squares commute, not anticommute), then the definition of the "diagonal" seems straightforward but I haven't seen anyone define it. Am I missing something obvious?
with this diagonal we would have, if I'm not mistaken, that if we start with a bisimplicial abelian group, then applying diagonal then Moore is isomorphic to Moore in both directions then diagonal
16:58
@user46225: That seems like a reasonable construction, but in my experience, not something that one would really want to do, given all the information that would be lost. For instance, you've lost your bi grading! And that's a shame.
@MikeMiller well, I mean, sometimes one works with the diagonal of a bisimplicial set. I think it's reassuring to know that one can do the same for bicomplexes
Hello :)
I also think it is clarifying to see that, with the Eilenberg-Zilber theorem in view. but that's just me

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