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@s.harp I have. The problem is if I approach the limit delta z approaches $0$ along the real/imaginary axis or along a line, the function should ideally not have $z$ right? I mean shouldn't it just be in terms of delta z?
? for differentiability you should show that the limit $\lim_{h\to0}\frac{f(z+h)-f(z)}{h}$ is well defined. If you evaluate it at zero you get $\lim_{h\to0}\frac{|h|}{h}$, which does not exist/depends on how $h\to0$ is taken.
@s.harp yes exactly. So if we evaluate it at zero, we get $\lim_{h\to0}\frac{|h|}{h}$? I mean $f(z)$ is simply eliminated? It's a silly question but I wasn't sure if I could do that
I don't know what you mean with $f(z)$ is eliminated. You are evaluating an expression at the specific values $z=0$ and $z=h$, you will not have any $f(z)$ terms for general $z$.
Oh okay, so if I approach the limit along say the imaginary axis then I'll have to divide $|iy|$ by $iy$ right? So I'll get $1$?
You'll get $-i$
12:16
how?
Sorry, that is incorrect, you should get $\sign(y) (-i)$
Since $|y|/y=\sign(y)$ for real $y$, then $|iy|/(iy)=-i |y|/y$
because $1/i=-i$ and $|iy|=|y|$
what does $\sign$ here mean?
sign(-1)=-1, sign(4)=1
the sign of hte number, negative is -1, positive is +1
Oh ok thank you. so if i have a real number $x$ then $|x|/x$ is not equal to $1$?
What is $|-10|$?
12:21
10
and what happens if you divide that by (-10)? :P
Oh right -1 :p
So i need to include the sign as well. But if I also add the condition that the real number is positive then I don't have to worry about the sign right?
Sure, but what you want to show is that the function is not differentiable (at $0$ in this consideration), so you wnat to get different limits for the difference quotient. One way is eg $h=1/n$ then the quotient goes to $1$, but if you take $h=-1/n$ it goes to $-1$.
And since the limit is not unique then the derivative will not exist>
yes, at this point the derivative then does not exist
12:29
Ok, if I have $f(z)=z'^2$ where $z'$ is the conjugate of z, then can I say that $\lim_{h\to0}\frac{f(z+h)-f(z)}{h}$ becomes $\lim_{h\to0}\frac{h'^2}{h}$?
No, what is $\overline{z+h}^2$?
It's $\overline z^2+2\overline {zh}+\overline h^2$ so then the whole thing becomes $\lim_{h\to0}\frac{\overline h (2\overline z+ \overline h)}{h}$?
Yes
so in this case the limit will exist and it will be $2 \overline z$?
No, what is $\overline{h}/h$?
Consider first real $h$, then pure imaginary $h$
12:38
$\overline{h}/h$ is generally $\overline{h^2}/|h|$?
If you square the denominator, then yes
Oh yes I forgot to square it. So then I simply take $\lim_{h\to0}\frac{\overline h (2\overline z+ \overline h)}{h}$ and then approach $0$ via different paths? So for example I first take it along the real axis?
Yes, that will show that the limit does not exist
so then the limit in this instance will be $2 \overline z + x$?
where $x$ is real
and imaginary $y$ is zero
13:05
If $h$ is real then $\lim_{h\to0} \bar h/h (2\bar z + \bar h) = 2 \bar z$ (since $\bar h = h$). But if $h$ is pure imaginary, you get a different result
\begin{align}\lim_{\substack{h\to0\\h\in\Bbb R}}\frac{\bar h(2\bar z+\bar h)}h&=\lim_{\substack{h\to0\\h\in\Bbb R}}\frac{h(2\bar z+h)}h\\&=\lim_{\substack{h\to0\\h\in\Bbb R}}2\bar z+h\\&=2\bar z\end{align}
@AkivaWeinberger Did you see my ctrexample?
Because for real $h$, $h=\bar h$
But if you have pure imaginary $h$, you get a different value.
@BalarkaSen With the doubled origin? Yeah, just now. Nice!
Yeah, that one.
@s.harp if $h$ is real then how can the answer be $2 \bar z$? I mean the expression was $\lim_{h\to0}\frac{\overline h (2\overline z+ \overline h)}{h}$ so even if the $h$ and $\bar h$ are eliminated as $h= \bar h$ when $h$ is real, we still have $2 \bar z + \bar h$ in the parentheses
13:12
Don't forget that $h\to 0$
Oh ok. So with imaginary axis the limit will be $-2 \bar z$?
yes
Ok thanks. If we want to check domain of differentiability for a complex function, we can use cauchy riemann equations right?
Yes
But if the real and imaginary components' partial derivatives are continuous but they don't satisfy the cauchy riemann equations then it will not be differentiable anywhere?
13:21
It will not be complex differentiable, there is another notion of derivative on $\mathbb C \cong \mathbb{R}^2$
Oh ok I don't know about that
 
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15:02
Does Z/nZ / Z/mZ make sense? By the third isomorphism theorem wouldn't this just be Z/Z = {1}? I would think it would be Z/kZ where n=mk
15:18
Hi, I need to try and create a region R in x-y such that its centre of mass is on the boundary of R. Any hints?
15:43
Prove that the limit of f(x) = x^2 as x approaches 4 is 16. I pick δ = min{1, ε/9}. But in this page en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Calculus/Formal_Definition_of_the_Limit (problem 3) they pick δ = sqrt(ε+16)-4. Are they both correct?
Can anyone please tell me?
@BalarkaSen if we suppose that $\overset{\circ}{A}$ is closed is this means that $A$ is open and closed ?
15:54
Is there a simple way to show that if $P$ is a convex $d$-dimensional polytope, then $\partial P$ is a union of convex $d-1$-dimensional polytopes?
it feels very obvious, but this isn't an option I have as I am writing my thesis. >.<
16:17
Guys, is there a good book which explores questions like why the square root of x^2 is mod x, or why (x^a)^b is only x^ab when x is positive and so on? Looks like i have a lot of confusion in this and was wondering what book i should read to finally put that confusion to rest.
For some reason I am too incompetent to find the definition of a pre-filter online, can somebody help me?
16:40
Apparently a filter on S without the condition that it contains S. @s.harp
wait, how would that work? Lemme find another source
@KarlKronenfeld I was working with a definition, which I could not understand. But in the mean time I have found out where the problem in my understanding was (the definition was that $F$ is a prefilter (on $X$) if The collection of all subsets which contain some element of $F$ is a filter, and I had understood the subsets to be subsets of $F$, but they are subsets of the space on which $F$ is to be the prefilter which clarifies my confusion)
Ah
How is that different from saying "filter" - "the intersection property"?
@Danu I don't know why I couldn't prove this when you first mentioned it. Probably I wasn't completely awake then. Of course, if $\tilde{X}$ is compact, $p : \tilde{X} \to X$ is a covering map, then $p(\tilde{X})$ is compact as continuous image of compact sets are compact. But $p(\tilde{X}) = X$, as $p$ is surjective. :P
I just rethought about this and realized this was stupidly easy.
@Karl in a filter you have $A, B \in F \implies A\cap B \in F$, here you just have $\exists C \in F$ st $C\subset A\cap B$. Also if $A\in F$, $A\subset B$ does not need to imply $B \in F$ as it does for filters.
Oh, proper containment is assumed in the collection of all subsets...?
[Ok done editing]
16:55
_the collections of all subsets_ is $\mathfrak P (X)$, I had thought it to be $\mathfrak P(F)$ which was my misunderstanding (taking that second one you always get a filter with above construction).

But proper containment is given for the construction for free (lets call it $\tilde F$), since if $A \in \tilde F$, $B \in \mathfrak P(X)$ and $A\subset B$ then $\exists C \in F$ st $C\subset A\subset B$ and $B \in \tilde F$.
Ok, I think I see it.
This is equivalent to the above definition and probably simpler: For all $A_1, A_2 \in F$, there exists $A_3 \in F$ such that $A_3 \subset A_1 \cap A_2$
Ah, I think I see the concept of it finally. Thanks.
For the record, I misread the definition as saying .. contain some [fixed] element of F
This was also something I had thought on first reading! :P
17:48
@BalarkaSen Haha, I rather think you fell asleep between your first and second messages.
I was asking whether base space compact $\implies$ covering compact
Your second message addresses the converse (completely obvious) statement
Perhaps my question is trivial nonetheless---but I don't know.
@Danu Oh.
But there are lots of covers where base space compact doesn't imply covering compact.
:D
$\Bbb R \to S^1$.
Yeah, wait
Maybe I fell asleep too
17:56
My original point was that one of your assertions contradicted my intuition from the standard $S^1$ covering
But now I don't know what your assertion was---let me dig it up in the transcript.
7 hours ago, by Danu
@BalarkaSen I find it funny-sounding that a covering could be compact even though the thing it covers is not
So yes, your thing did answer my query.
Compact covering implies compact base, so my intuition was correct.
Right.
18:35
Right. Continuous image of compact is compact.
@Balarka, yes, we need to assume $X$ Hausdorff as well. You needn't assume that on $Y$. It follows from the hypotheses.
@Balarka: I suppose we're really using compact Hausdorff $\implies$ normal, and normality allows us to shrink open sets ...
@TedShifrin Oh yeah, true.
Anyhow, @Balarka, I put the problem — lacking the Hausdorff hypothesis on $X$ — on a graduate topology qual many years ago and no one (including me, apparently) caught the error. I just realized it a few days ago whilst writing my midterm exam for my two topology students.
@TedShifrin We're just using that if $A, B$ are two open sets in $X$, $a\in A$ and $b \in B$, then there exists open nbhds $U$ and $V$ of $a$ and $b$ resp. such that $U \cap V = \emptyset$, right? Is that equivalent to normality?
I doubt it's equivalent, but it's certainly implied. Normality is equivalent to knowing that disjoint closed subsets have disjoint neighborhoods.
18:50
Aha.
Normality is used, particularly in manifold stuff, to get shrinkings of open sets.
So yeah, I can do this with the complements of $A, B$.
Normality implies that, yep.
Important for partitions of unity, etc.
Non-Hausdorff is an assumption on topological spaces.
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18:51
:P
If someone were talking about spaces that weren't necessairly Hausdorff, I'd expect them to say so.
hah
Well, @PVAL, if the problem specifies that one space is Hausdorff and doesn't mention it for the other, I consider that edict of yours complied with. :)
Anyhow, I am so used to working in the context of manifolds for that problem, I messed up. I'm just amused that I only realized I'd messed up after retiring :D
@TedShifrin Ah.
So, Balarka, making progress with implicit/inverse?
18:55
I think I am done with the section on implicit/inverse function theorem. The next section is manifolds, the exercises of which I haven't done.
Plus the extra problems I sent you.
Yah.
Actually, let me start thinking about those extra problems.
@TedShifrin Oh, and by the way, here's a problem I tried to solve a few days ago. $f_t : B \to B$ be a sequence of contractions, $t \in I$ so that $F : B \times I \to B$, $F(s, t) = f_t(s)$ is continuous. Then $g : I \to B$, $g(t) = x_t$ ($x_t$ is the unique fixed point of $f_t$) is continuous. $B$ here is a closed ball in $\Bbb R^n$.
My idea was the following: Choose a point $a \in B$. Then define the sequence $\{a_k^t\}$ where $a_{k+1}^t = f_t(a_k^t)$. $\{a_k^t\}$ converges to $x_t$ for each $t$. Here $a_0^t = a$.
$g_k : I \to B$, $g_k(t) = a_k^t$ is then a continuous path for each $k$. I tried to prove that $g_k$'s uniformly converge to $g$.
So I'm thinking it should just be a uniform continuity argument, which should follow from compactness. But I'd have to write things down.
Right, I think I have an argument by proving $g_k$'s are uniformly Cauchy.
Is there a simpler argument though? Seems inverse function theorem like.
I'll ponder it later.
19:06
Thanks for you time.
There was an old qual question here asking people to show that eps morphisms in Top were not necessarily surjections. Nobody realized, apparently, that this is false.
They meant HausTop.
What's an example of a non-surjective epi in HausTop?
I can never remember which one is epi and which one is mono.
mono = one-to-one
Hi. It appears that the product of the differences between 3 consecutive integers in whatever order always equals 2. However, I can't find the pattern for 5 integers...
19:09
@PVAL: Inclusion of Q in R.
I think the epis are the same thing as the maps with dense image there.
That's a strange Qual question to me.
Algebra qual, not topology.
19:27
Is a trihedron just considered as one octant?
19:38
@Dave Could you elaborate on what you mean by product of the differences?
19:59
is a punctured Hilbert space homeomorphic to the whole hilbert space?
20:13
@Karl I posted a question. However, it appears that my assumption was wrong.
Yes. @Dave
Hello community
How would one know whether his account is ignored or not?
21:00
@Mambo What do you mean by that?
@AkivaWeinberger Hi.
@BalarkaSen Hyālō
Scary hello, that.
I looked up how to say "hello" in Bengali.
There's actually no one-word greeting like hello in Bengali that I am aware of.
21:14
"Nômoshkar"?
OK, yeah, that's possibly the closest translation of hi.
21:49
Someone help me with metric spaces ?
22:36
hi
how can you tell how many real roots t^3-2t^2-t-2 has?
@user19405892 Descartes' rule of signs is an obvious choice
it won't give you an unambiguous answer, but it gives a good starting point
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