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he but I'm going to sleep, good night all
Okay buddy, thanks for taking the suggestion!
00:11
@Balarka: This is not a constructive approach so you can say nothing at all about $g^{-1}$. Clever idea though.
Yeah. Oh well. I guess I just like to apply that fact ($H^n(X; G) \cong [X, K(G, n)]$) everywhere, and it looks plausible since skeletons of $K(\Bbb Z, 2)$ are actually manifolds.
I am still not sure why I can choose $g$ to be smooth.
First you have to say what smooth means.
$M, N$ be smooth $n$-manifolds (that is, has a chart with transition functions $C^\infty$).
$f : M \to N$ is a smooth map if it is $C^\infty$ chartwise.
you misunderstand. What's the codomain of your map?
oh, I thought you were reminding that I don't know smooth manifolds yet. well, codomain is $\Bbb{CP}^2$.
00:17
Wasn't it $\Bbb{CP}^\infty$?
ok, yes, $f$ had codomain $\Bbb{CP}^\infty$, and I homotoped it down to $g : \Bbb{CP}^2 \to \Bbb{CP}^2$.
Suppose that $A=\iint_R \|\sigma_u \times \sigma_v\|dudv$.
To what is $dA$ equal?
Fine. Every continuous map of smooth manifolds is homotopic to a smooth map.
Whoa.
That's a pretty cool and useful fact.
@DanielFischer do you have an idea to what $dA$ is equal?
00:22
Is anyone here familiar with pseudoinverses and Singular Value Decomposition?
nope
hello btw
May I ask why it is necessary that harmonic functions $f : U \to \mathbb{R}$ are defined on open subsets $U \subset \mathbb{R}^n$?
00:47
I just realised that you wrote $A = \dots$, @MaryStar.
Was $A$ supposed to be the area of the surface $R$?
Yes @Khallil
No problem. @Khallil Is it like you wanted.
Yep, thank you @quid!
In that case, the infinitesimal element of area $\text{d}A$ is supposed to be the integrand of the integral over $R$, @MaryStar. For short:
$$ \text{Area} (R) = A = \iint_{R} \text{d}A = \iint_{R} \| \sigma_u \times \sigma_v \| \text{ d}u \text{ d}v $$
Does that seem ok, @MaryStar?
I see... So, does it stand that $dA=\|\sigma_u \times\sigma_v\|dudv$ ? @Khallil
If $A$ is defined as is, then yea I think that's the case, @MaryStar!
Unless it's specified that there's been a coordinate transformation, I think that's right.
00:55
Ok... I see!! Thanks a lot!! :-) @Khallil
No problem! I happened to have studied this stuff last year (and partly this year) so I'm glad I can put it to use. If you have any other questions while I'm on, it's good practice. ^_^
Ok!! :-)
01:51
Hello all.
 
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03:46
Hi all.
03:58
Hi, I'm new, anybody here?
04:10
Hi, @Walker23, welcome, and happy almost new year.
Thanks, happy almost new year to you as well!
Morning.
G'night, @MikeM.
Hi @TedShifrin.
So, what brings you to MathStackExchange, @Walker23?
Good grief, @Balarka ... you're supposed to be asleep!
04:12
New polymath proposal. Seems interesting.
I have had a lot of sleep already.
I slept at 12 am, woke up at 5. Trying to fix my biological clock.
annoying that the LaTeX doesn't compile right on Terry's page, @MikeM.
Let's face it, @Balarka. You're broken.
But I have already fixed it! 5 hours is a perfect amount of time to be asleep.
I have to leave for the airport in 9 hours at an obscene hour ... if I can get an uber at that hour.
@Ted: I got one at 3AM.
04:15
@TedShifrin Oops.
Aha @MikeM ... that's encouraging.
@Walker23 ... You ain't talkin'? :)
Remember to tip the driver if you can... :)
I figured I would a couple of dollars, @MikeM.
Great... :)
wonders why Arthur Fischer now appears in Cyrillic
04:17
I feel like if I'm going to use an immorally set up system I may as well make it locally ethical.
locally ethical is not contradicted by globally unethical?
@Balarka: While you're goofing off, there's an elementary $\pi_1$ question here.
@Ted: Every complex manifold is locally Kahler but not necessarily globally.
Hmm, why is that, @MikeM?
@TedShifrin Seems like it's already been answered.
Where do you locally get your closed $(1,1)$-form?
I didn't read the answer to see if it was acceptable, @Balarka.
04:20
@Ted: Locally they have a coordinate patch! Of course I can put a Kahler structure on $\Bbb C^n$ :)
Hi @anon
Me neither :)
hello
Oh, duh, @MikeM ... I knew there was a good reason what you said wasn't interesting.
@anon I answered your question, in case you didn't get my ping yesterday.
04:21
just got it now
@MikeM: More interesting would be if it were true given a hermitian structure (with compatible Kähler form). Then you can't cheat like that.
@Ted: Not sure that's more interesting. You're fixing a Hermitian structure on a complex manifold and want it to be locally, but not globally, Kahler? Metrics and complex structures being compatible is a local condition.
TIL: Calabi-Yau manifolds are algebraic. Adorable proof.
What I meant is that your local Kähler form is required to be associated to the metric, so you don't have the wiggle room.
I'm not worrying about the metric and the complex structure ... that's all given fine.
You're starting with a Hermitian manifold?
04:25
@MikeMiller Can I ask what an "algebraic" manifold is? Probably wouldn't understand anyway.
Isn't there only one Kahler form, locally, then...?
Yes :) @MikeM :D
Embeds as a complex submanifold of $\Bbb CP^n$ @Balarka
@Balarka: Cut out from $\Bbb{CP}^n$ by a finite set of homogeneous polynomials.
Mine implies @Mike's by a beautiful theorem.
@Ted: Great, so neither of us have been saying anything interesting. Just the way I like it.
04:26
Ah, ok. Thanks, @MikeMiller @Ted.
I particularly like being uninteresting, @MikeM.
@TedShifrin So, every complex subfold of CP^n is a complex projective variety? Fun.
Oops, I need to add compact to my statement, @Balarka.
But, then, yes.
Ah, ok. Still, I have no reason to believe why it's true - it's amazing that it is true.
clear from context IMO
04:27
It is quite amazing.
Whoops, I didn't here the chat ping. Hello everyone!
*hear
@Ted: We've passed over my theorem, which I still claim is sexy.
Oh, Calabi-Yaus? That's hardly your theorem.
;P
Ah... condition. CYs of dimension at least 3.
It is of course not true in dimension 2.
All you need is a positive line bundle from somewhere.
04:29
@Balarka I'll look at it more later, but my initial thought in the first paragraphs: couldn't we scale the three pieces of the tribar independently without changing our perception of it? That would mean a symmetry group of ${\Bbb R}_{>0}^3$. What's instrinsically special about the subgroup of things that fix the third piece and whose three scaling factors multiply to one?
Sure. You know how to get it?
So, @Walker23, what level of math are you?
@TedShifrin I'm only a high school student, so quite a bit of this goes over my head haha
I've forgotten too much, @MikeM.
Ah, cool, what level high school? Well, lots of stuff goes over heads, regardless, @Walker23.
Technically I'm only in algebra 2, but I've been teaching myself some basic calculus
04:31
@anon No, I do not think any more scalings are possible. The deal is that if you enlarge the tribar by $\lambda$ and take it $\lambda$ far away, then the tribar looks exactly the same.
Well, don't get too far ahead of yourself and lose track of the ideas, lost in a bunch of formulas, @Walker23. :)
Doing this is the same as multiplying $Q_1, Q_2$ by $\lambda$ and $Q_2, Q_3$ by $1/\lambda$.
(hence, fixing $Q_2$).
Don't worry @TedShifrin, I'm rubbish at memorizing formulas so I shouldn't get too lost in them ;)
Calculus is full of beautiful ideas if you study it as mathematics, rather than as engineering problems. :)
how can you be multiplying Q2 by lambda, 1/lambda and fixing it?
04:32
$\lambda \cdot 1/\lambda = 1$ :P
Somehow, @Balarka, I think mr anon knows that.
oh, you're talking about a composition
Careful analysis of the Weitzenbock formula shows that harmonic $(p,0)$-forms are the parallel $(p,0)$-forms. (Here you use Ricci flatness. You need (p,0) for the Weitzenbock formula to be of much use.) Then we've reduced calculating $H^{p,0}$ to a linear algebra problem: what are the fixed subspaces of $\Lambda^p T^{(1,0)}^*$ under the action of $SU(n)$?
@anon Yes. I mean stretch $Q_1, Q_2$ by $\lambda$, and shrink $Q_2, Q_3$ by $\lambda$.
Yeah, I'm finding calculus very interesting so far. I think I like limits the best, because it's less straightforward that derivatives (at my current level) but not as tricky as integrals.
04:34
I don't see how "enlarge the tribar by lambda" implies multiplying Q1,2 by lambda, etc.
Sorry for not being clear.
Aha, yes, I get the harmonic = parallel. So you need some representation theory consequence @MikeM
why can't I just scale the three pieces independently? I don't see how that would change the perception of the figure.
If you're serious about math, @Walker23, I recommend that you get a hold of Spivak's Calculus :)
This is not hard to calculate; we get $b^{p,0}=1$ for $p=0,n$ and 0 otherwise. In particular, if the dimension $n>2$, $b^{2,0}=b^{0,2}=0$. So $H^2=H^{1,1}$.
04:35
@anon Sclaing $Q_1$ by $2$, $Q_2$ by $2$ and $Q_3$ by $2$, say, would enlarge the tribar! It'd not be the same tribar anymore.
And then what, @MikeM?
@BalarkaSen well, scaling the pieces at all changes the tribar. it's our perception of it we're worried about preserving no?
@TedShifrin Yeah, I've heard quite a bit about that! Maybe that can keep me busy since I'll have a fairly large head start when I actually take a calculus class next year.
You in the UK, @Walker23?
But we're Kahler!! In fact the Kahler cone is open and nonempty. So I can pick a rational Kahler form. This is automatically a positive (1,1) form - taking a suitable power of it gives me a line bundle represented by a positive (1,1)-form.
So... an ample line bundle.
04:36
No, USA @TedShifrin
I feel I am not remembering a lot of the original things in the penrose article, I will have to go back and reread it and my question.
Ah, cool, when you said you were rubbish at ..., that sounded more British than American :)
thanks for the answer
@anon "scaling the pieces at all changes the tribar" not true. think about sclaing one piece by $1$, other by $\lambda$, and another by $1/\lambda$. The figure would be the same. Note that you're looking at the projection, the tribar is not really sitting in R^3.
I don't know what "perception" means, to be honest.
@TedShifrin I thought so too, but the word just seemed right :P
04:37
@BalarkaSen what do you mean by "scaling by lambda" if it does nothing to the tribar?
The fact here that the dim is at least 3 is essential because there are non-algebraic K3s. I find this whole thing (including the automatic "explanation" of why it doesn't work for K3) so charming.
Is perception projectively invariant, @anon?
if it fixes the tribar pointwise then that's the identity function, not a scaling
I had forgotten that Kähler was part of the definition, @MikeM.
@Walker23, if you're truly interested in math, you'll want to understand calculus far more deeply than what the AB/BC AP tests require.
@Ted: Oh, fair. To me a CY is a manifold with holonomy SU(n), so that's automatic.
04:39
@anon the tribar (the 2d picture) is projection of three pieces $Q_1, Q_2, Q_3$ sitting in $\Bbb R^3$, appropriately aligned. Enlarge $Q_1$ by $\lambda$ in $\Bbb R^3$, $Q_2$ by $1/\lambda$ in $\Bbb R^2$ and leave $Q_3$ alone. Project again. The projected tribar would not change.
@BalarkaSen are the pieces not sets of points in three-space?
applying a scaling function to such a set of points yields a different set of points
but it looks the same if you scale your distance from it
that's what I'm calling our perception of it
Clearly perception is far from a projective invariant. I'm still not sure what it is :)
04:41
if you scale $Q_1$ by $\lambda_1$, and $Q_2$ by $\lambda_2$, and $Q_3$ by $\lambda_3$, then the resulting pieces each look like $Q_1,Q_2,Q_3$ respectively still no?
I can't define it rigorously either.
Then the usual theorem is that a Kahler manifold with c_1=0 has a metric making that true. I don't know if it's true that a complex manifold with c_1=0 must be Kahler? But I bet no?
@TedShifrin Yeah, I intend to do that. I like to know why things work, rather than just plugging stuff in. Something I really dislike about my current math class is that there's absolutely no emphasis on why we do things or what it means
@anon yes, but the alignation goes berserk. if you project it down, it would not look at all like the original tribar.
You won't be much happier (if at all) in calculus, @Walker23, unless your school has a very unusual teacher.
04:42
Hmm... I need to be more careful above. It has a Ricci-flat metric. The holonomy could be strictly contained in SU(n).
@BalarkaSen I am failing to see why not
eg tori.
K3 also has a condition on the canonical bundle, doesn't it, @MikeM?
That's a shame, @TedShifrin, I've heard good things about the calc teachers though so I'm hopeful. According to one of my teachers last year, one of the calc teachers does a lot of math in his free time so maybe he'll teach (or be available to explain) more of the details/concepts
@Ted: K3 is Calabi-Yau :)
04:45
@Walker23: generally, it's all about training the students to get 5's on the exam. But some teachers push way past that. (I taught 36 years of students who'd taken AP calculus of varying qualities.)
Even the non-algebraic ones. The theorem that CYs are algebraic used that $h^{2,0}=0$, which is only true when the dimension is greater than 2.
@MikeM, I've forgotten all the appropriate definitions, sadly, even though I once knew them very well. But I need to go finish packing and try to get some sleep (at this insane hour).
Appropriately I learned them in the past week. Having fun with this, though it's time for me to put down the holonomy for now. Have a good and safe flight!
@anon Say you enlarge $Q_1, Q_2$ by $\lambda_1, \lambda_2$. $Q_1', Q_2'$ be the resulting pieces. Then it need not be the case that $Q_1'$ and $Q_2'$ "match up" from the place we are looking at, whereas $Q_1, Q_2$ did. So projecting the resulting thing down need not even give a tribar.
Anyhow, @Walker23, I hope you keep learning good stuff and enjoy the challenge.
04:47
@TedShifrin Thank you, I appreciate you talking to me, sleep well
Note that $Q_1, Q_2, Q_3$ are all situated at different places in $\Bbb R^3$.
@TedShifrin G'night. Sleep tight.
@anon I can (hopefully) give a better explanation of the whole thing if you care. Want to hear?
aight
Pick the piece $Q_2$. Assume it's $\lambda$ times far away from where you thought it is. Then $d_{12}$ gets multiplied by $\lambda$, $d_{23}$ by $1/\lambda$, and nothing happens to $d_{31}$. So automatically, changing the "perception" (I hope I understand that word of yours correctly) of $Q_2$ by $\lambda$ changes perception of $Q_1$ by $1/\lambda$ and leaves the perception of $Q_3$ unchanged.
So no other symmetries are possible.
I think this is the same as what I meant by stretching. You're simply moving away from where you were instead of physically stretching each piece.
Does that make sense?
05:07
I'll reread everything later
Sure.
I haven't really thought about formalizing the ambiguity group, and I don't think there's a straightforward way to do that. Most of my answer consist of formalizing the cohomology group.
Oh man Springer also has universitext available
@anon Here's an even better explanation. Take $Q_1, Q_2, Q_3$ to be the three bars here, appearing in the same order. Take $Q_1$ $\lambda$ far away, $Q_2$ the place it is, and $Q_3$ $\lambda$ closer. This is the same as stretching $Q_1$ by $1/\lambda$, $Q_2$ by $1$ and $Q_3$ by $\lambda$. The resulting tribar is the same however. If you used arbitrary $\lambda_i$'s as scaling factors, you could never do that.
 
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10:44
Are homotopic maps $f,g:M\to N$ between smooth manifolds always smoothly homotopic?
i.e. does there exist a homotopy $h:f\simeq g$ such that $h_t$ is smooth for all $t\in I$?
Huy
Huy
10:58
@DanielFischer: on wiki, the definition for a Radon measure is that it is inner regular and locally finite. in the standard solution to one of my exercises, they state "... is a Radon measure, i.e. inner and outer regular". is this equivalent? I don't see why it should be, in general.
@Huy On e.g. $\mathbb{R}$, the measure $$\mu(A) = \begin{cases} 0 &, A = \varnothing \\ \infty &, A \neq \varnothing \end{cases}$$ is inner and outer regular (at least, with the definitions of regularity I recall). It's not locally finite, however. So the two aren't equivalent. They may be equivalent in the presence of other, unstated, conditions. Anyway, it does happen that different people use the same word for different things. That's normal.
Another definition of a Radon measure, iirc, is that a Radon measure is a continuous linear form $\mu \colon C_c(X,\mathbb{R}) \to \mathbb{R}$.
Huy
Huy
ok, thanks
Now, that's even a different kind of object. (But related, we have translations.)
D'oh, of course it is. $\varnothing$ is open.
Not yet truly awake.
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same
11:20
@iwriteonbananas I just got to know yesterday that every continuous map between smooth manifolds is htpic to a smooth map. Thus, the htpy $M \times I \to N$ is homotopic to a smooth homotopy. But can I choose this homotopy to be relative on a subset? That is, if $f : M \to N$ is continuous, $f$ smooth on $W \subset M$, is $f$ homotopic to a smooth map $g : M \to N$ relative to $W$?
Ask Mike, he'd definitely know.
Any algebrafriends around?
I see that this definition differs somewhat depending on the author: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syzygy_(mathematics)
Some want the syzygies to be free, hence constructing extension groups in the view of Hatcher, others demand merely that they are projective.
I don't even know what syzygies are.
I'm trying to find out, but people do not seem to agree about it.
11:38
I just read the definition in wiki. What do you mean by syzygies are "free"? They are just relators of a presentation of $M$.
Currently posting my thoughts on this as a question. (But yes, you are right, I will need to clarify.)
Oh, I see what you mean. Syzygies are image of maps in a free resolution of $M$. You're saying some just wants projective resolution. Ok.
Upvoted.
Haha, thanks.
11:46
I'd want to see an answer to this. Most of the time people works with projective resolutions instead of free ones, so I'm curious why wiki does it with free things.
Likely for simplicity, however that raises the question of how much generality is lost.
I'd think it is just because that article is a stub, but who knows - one might get extra subtlety while working with projective modules.
Yes. Will play around a bit with it to see if there are big distinctions to be made.
(An interesting comment just entered, btw. Projective over local is free, that's somewhat reassuring.)
Yes, projective means locally free.
(thus, projective A-modules = vector bundles on Spec A)
12:03
The parametrization of a torus is $\sigma (\theta, \phi)=((a+b\cos\theta)\cos\phi, (a+b\cos\theta)\sin\phi, b\sin\theta)$, right? Which is the interval of $\theta$ ?
Hello, is there an example of a field k and automorphism f on k[X_1,...,X_n] so that f is identity on k but does not preserve the total degree of a polynomial?
$0 \leq \theta \leq 2\pi$
Take a circle in the $x-z$ plane for instance.
You'd need $\theta$ to make a full cycle to cover the circle.
Then you rotate around the $z$ axis with $\phi$.
I see...
And is the interval of $\phi$ also $[0, 2\pi]$ ? @Khallil
Yep, since they form two circles.
Cutting at constant $\phi$s gives meridians and cutting constant $\theta$s gives the other one whose name I can't remember
I think tropic is the word I was looking for.
12:22
Ok...

I have found that the Gauss curvature of the torus is $K=\frac{\cos\theta}{b(a+b\cos\theta)}$.
Since $b<a$, we have that
$K>0 \Leftrightarrow \cos\theta >0 \Leftrightarrow 0<\theta<\frac{\pi}{2} \land \frac{3\pi}{2}<\theta<2\pi$
and
$K<0 \Leftrightarrow \cos\theta <0 \Leftrightarrow \frac{\pi}{2}<\theta<\frac{3\pi}{2}$.

Is this correct? @Khallil
12:41
@Khallil longitude.
Huy
Huy
yeah, tropic is probably used in different areas, maybe geography?
Thanks, @BalarkaSen! Yep, I recalled it from geography lessons which are now a distant memory, @Huy :-b
That seems fine, @MaryStar. Might be more explicit (possibly less rigorous) to say that $$ b\cos \theta \in [-b,b] \overset{a>b}{\implies} a + b\cos\theta \in \left[a-b,a+b] $$ where $a-b > 0$.
"Another nice feature of the SVD is that the number of nonzero entries in the diagonal matrix is equal to the rank of the matrix. In this way the SVD is said to be rank revealing. Thus $r(P_X) = r(X)$." Can someone point me to where I can find a proof of this? ($X$ is a $n \times p$ matrix with real entries, $P_X = X(X^{T}X)^{-}X^{T}$ is a projection matrix of $X$ - notice here that I'm using the pseudoinverse, rather than $(X^{T}X)^{-1}$)
@Huy Maybe you would know? ^
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do you know exactly what the SVD is?
Sorry for the $\LaTeX$ explosion, @MaryStar! It should've read:$$ b\cos \theta \in [-b,b] \overset{a>b}{\implies} a + b\cos\theta \in [a-b,a+b] $$
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12:47
it should be rather obvious that it tells you the rank
@Huy Other than $X = U\Sigma V^{T}$, no. I'm not sure how to extract the rank from this given the information. [Sigh, I've forgotten how to get rank if I don't have the elements of the matrix in front of me]
Huy
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can you extract image and kernel from $X$ if you have its SVD?
@Huy Now I'm lost. Are you saying that there's a linear map of some sort involved?
Huy
Huy
any matrix $A$ induces a linear map $v \mapsto Av$
Haven't seen that in ages, but yes, that looks very familiar. I can prove easily that is a linear map, sure
Do linear maps preserve rank or something?
@Huy
Huy
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12:51
no and that statement doesn't make a lot of sense
a matrix (or a linear map) has a rank assigned
it is defined as the dimension of the image, usually
maybe you also defined it in terms of row rank and column rank and later showed the two are equal and also equal to the dimension of the image of the linear map induced
Okay, I'm quite lost now. Here's more context
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Q: $r(X) = r(P_{X}) = \text{tr}(P_X)$

ClarinetistI would like to prove $r(X) = r(P_{X}) = \text{tr}(P_X)$, $r$ denoting the rank, $X \in M_{n \times p}(\mathbb{R})$, and $$P_{X} = X(X^{T}X)^{-}X^{T}$$ where $(X^{T}X)^{-}$ is a generalized inverse of $X^{T}X$. I don't believe I know the machinery to prove this. But here's what I do know that mi...

Huy
Huy
which part of the answer do you not understand, precisely?
@Huy I can compute the trace of $P_X$ easily, given the information from the answer. Why is this equal to $r(P_X)$, and how do I know that $r(X)$ must be equal to $r(P_X)$?
Huy
Huy
trace is similarity-invariant and $U$ is unitary
Sure, I get that. The trace is going to be $r$ (using the notation from the answer). But why is this going to be the rank of $P_X$? I'm missing something here. @Huy
The comment was "Another nice feature of the SVD is that the number of nonzero entries in the diagonal matrix is equal to the rank of the matrix." Why is this?
Huy
Huy
13:00
@Clarinetist it should be obvious if you get what I said
knowing that $$P_X = U \begin{pmatrix} I_r & 0\\ 0 & 0 \end{pmatrix} U^T$$ gives you $\operatorname{tr}(P_X) = \operatorname{tr} \begin{pmatrix} I_r & 0 \\ 0 & 0 \end{pmatrix}$
@Huy Yeah, I'm not following. I don't see finding the trace of $P_{X}$ anything more than using that $\text{tr}(AB) = \text{tr}(BA)$.
Huy
Huy
??
I don't see what one has to do with the other
@Huy Because $$\text{tr}(P_{X}) = \text{tr}\left[ U \begin{pmatrix} I_r & 0\\ 0 & 0 \end{pmatrix} U^T\right] = \text{tr}\left[ U^{T}U \begin{pmatrix} I_r & 0\\ 0 & 0 \end{pmatrix}\right] = \text{tr}\begin{pmatrix} I_r & 0\\ 0 & 0 \end{pmatrix}\text{?}$$
Huy
Huy
for example, yes
and the image (or range) of a linear map also doesn't change when you change basis
so the rank doesn't either
so the rank of $P_X$ is exactly the rank of $\begin{pmatrix} I_r & 0\\ 0 & 0 \end{pmatrix}$
@Huy Here's where I'm lost. How do linear maps come into this discussion of trace?
Huy
Huy
13:09
I don't understand that question
@Huy Well, I demonstrated how to find the trace of $P_{X}$ above, and now we're talking about images of linear maps. Why?
Huy
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because you want to find the rank, no?
the rank is the dimension of the image of the linear map
@Huy Okay, I follow that. Is there a particular linear map that we're looking at or something?
Huy
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yes, for a matrix $A$ we look at the linear map $v \mapsto A \cdot v$
as I said earlier
@Huy How does $v \mapsto Av$ relate to this problem?
@Huy Oh wait
Hmm
@Huy Okay, the rank is the dimension of the image of the linear map $v \mapsto Av$. Where do we go from here?
Huy
Huy
13:14
the rank is invariant under basis transformation too
so the rank of $P_X$ is the same as the rank of $I_r$ (I'm just writing $I_r$ for simplicity)
@Huy Because this linear map changes the basis, correct?
Huy
Huy
if $A$ is a matrix, a basis change is if you consider $B = T A T^{-1}$, where $T$ is invertible
and $U$ is unitary, i.e. $U^T = U^{-1}$
@Huy What does a basis change have to do with this problem?
[sorry, I'm not at all familiar with this]
Huy
Huy
$P_X = U I_r U^T$
@Huy Wait, if $U$ is unitary... does it have to be invertible? The definition of "unitary" I've been using is $UU^{T} = I$
I suppose, if $U$ is square
which it is by the SVD
Huy
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13:19
I've only seen it defined in terms of square matrices
Okay, so $U$ is invertible $\checkmark$ and $P_X$ is a basis change $\checkmark$. Under a basis change, rank is invariant. Why?
@Huy
Huy
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the rank is the dimension of the image
the dimension of the image is the number of basis vectors required to span the image
if that number changes, you didn't do a basis change
@Huy Hence why the rank of $P_X$ is equal to the rank of $I_r$, which happens to also be the trace
Huy
Huy
exactly
for $I_r$ the two coincide and thus you find the rank of $P_X$
in general they of course do not coincide
@Huy Thanks. :) Now how do I know this is equal to $r(X)$ as well?
13:29
@Khallil Ok... Thanks a lot!! :-)
Huy
Huy
@Clarinetist: the matrix $P_X$ is the orthogonal projection to the image of $X$, so the ranks must be equal
@Huy How would you approach a proof of this statement?
Morning.
Huy
Huy
well how did you construct $P_X$ in the first place?
@Huy Well, that's the funny part. In stats, we say that a least squares estimator for the estimates is $\mathbb{E}[Y]= X(X^{T}X)^{-}X^{T}\mathbf{y}$ and then we for some reason call $X(X^{T}X)^{-}X^{T} = P_{X}$. I know nothing about $P_X$ beyond this and the properties of $P_X$
Huy
Huy
13:36
hm
take some vector in the image of $X$ and apply $P_X$ and see what happens. take some vector not in the image and apply $P_X$ and see what happens
don't remember if there's a faster way, if you didn't construct those projection matrices in the first place
@Huy Zero in the first case, not sure what happens in the latter case
Huy
Huy
I don't think that's what should happen, so if it does, maybe my reasoning is wrong
@Huy I think I'm not understanding what the "image" of $X$ is. I know that $P_X X = X$, so that's what I thought you meant
Huy
Huy
that's not bad
actually, that's a lot faster than what I thought
@Huy and that a similar property also holds if you take any column in the span of the column space of $X$
@Huy Oh, so I was wrong completely. Okay. Where do we go from here?
13:40
Yo
Springer did an amazing job! Stttttttaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrr (+1)
Huy
Huy
@Clarinetist: I need to leave soon but I can probably help more tonight or tomorrow if you haven't resolved it. I'm not 100% sure yet if $P_X X = X$ solves all of it, but I think it does.
maybe you can figure it out yourself in the meanwhile
@Huy K, thanks for your help! Appreciate it
Huy
Huy
basically all that's left is to see that $P_X$ and $X$ have the same image. from $P_X X = X$ you already know that the image of $P_X$ contains the image of $X$ (if I'm not thinking too quickly).
@Huy OH, I see! And then obviously their dimensions are equal...
Huy
Huy
13:45
yup
I do know that $X^{T}P_{X} = X^{T}$; not sure how helpful that is
Huy
Huy
think everything through thoroughly though, I haven't been using projection matrices for a while so maybe at some point I've been a bit too hand-wavy
Thanks for your help!
Huy
Huy
(or completely wrong :P)
14:22
@Balarka: Yes. If $M$ is a manifold with boundary, and $f$ is smooth on the boundary, it's homotopic rel boundary to a smooth map.
14:38
Cool, @MikeMiller, thank you. @iwriteonbananas see above ^.
14:48
Have anything for me?
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