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21:00
@BalarkaSen overkill
@BalarkaSen I am sorry if I thought you were skipping topics, please don't be angry. =)
@JasperLoy if you turn your head OCD looks like a man trying to hold his diper. Do not ask me what OGC looks like.
@JasperLoy am not, since i wasn't.
@N3buchadnezzar You don't happen to have the .tex-file for it? Its pritti.
i talk a lot when in chat, not nessesarily jumping between subjects.
i will stick for a while with altop
21:01
@BalarkaSen In order to show that it is a ring homomorphism to we have to show that $\epsilon_p(ab)=\epsilon_p(a) \epsilon_p(b)$ and $\epsilon_p(a+b)=\epsilon_p(a)+ \epsilon_p(b)$ ?
it's kind of obvious, @evinda, but sure
nods at "I talk a lot when in chat" :D
@evinda and that it maps 1 on 1
@AndrewThompson y. Just dont edit anything, writing on parts of it atm :p
hi Ted.
21:02
rehi @Mike
@LeGrandDODOM the other way.
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@LeGrandDODOM hey G ! How are you ? :)
that the fiber over 1 is 1
So, I will be waiting till 2017 to get Lee's book, lol @mike @ted.
21:02
mon petit granddodo :P
ring homomorphisms
@TedShifrin But then, you have to admit, that is the purpose of chat.
I can do those
@N3buchadnezzar Did you write the template yourself? If yes, may I steal it for my notes?
@Jasper: I'm seriously not sure it's worth the wait :P
21:03
(I promise I will start to like NTNU if you say yes.)
@TedShifrin It's OK. I won't be reading it anytime soon anyway.
@r9m quite fine, been working all day. What about you ?
@AndrewThompson You could try this one folk.ntnu.no/oistes/Diverse/Integral
I was wondering if we had a purpose, @DanielF. I just recall @Pedro dragged me in here a year and a half ago.
@Ted mike is insisting me to do smash products in hatcher-type way of thinking about cell complexes and probably won;t check my work i did otherwise. can you check it for me?
21:03
@TedShifrin A purpose?
@BalarkaSen We show the same if we want to show that it is just an homomorphism... Do we know that it is a ring homomorphism, since $\epsilon_p: \mathbb{Z} \to \mathbb{Z}_p$ and we know that $\mathbb{Z}_p$ is a ring? Or is there an other reason?
@BalarkaSen I recall I had great difficulty understanding smash products.
@DanielFischer Don't ask me, @Pedro :P
17 mins ago, by Balarka Sen
@MikeMiller what i am thinking about is this : S^1 is [0, 1] attached to a point, S^2 is [0, 1]^2 attached to a point so S^1 cross S^2 should be [0, 1] cross [0, 1]^2 which is [0, 1]^3 with two opposite sides of the cube identified (comes from the identification of [0, 1]) and then collapsed to a point (comes from the identification of [0, 1]^2)
@N3buchadnezzar 137 MB. You didn't hold anything back on the pictures.
@N3buchadnezzar Thanks a lot!
21:04
@TedShifrin cell structure on S^1 cross S^2 ^
I think this is all you need for that particular layout though

\documentclass[10pt,a4paper,norsk]{book}
\usepackage{graphicx} % use [demo] to temporarily remove all figures
\usepackage{%
fixltx2e,%
lmodern,%
fix-cm} % Better typhography

\usepackage[activate={true,nocompatibility},final,tracking=true,kerning=true,spacing=true,factor=1100,stretch=10,shrink=10]{microtype} \LoadMicrotypeFile{bch}
\microtypecontext{spacing=nonfrench}
\usepackage{tgheros} \usepackage{charter}
it somehow looks like we have already did the identification S^1 wedge S^1 \sim (x_0, y_0)
Why are you doing cubes instead of disks, @Balarka?
@LeGrandDODOM @BalarkaSen Do we also have to prove that $\epsilon_p$ is $1-1$ ?
@TedShifrin You know you have new yeared too much when you read "propse @DanielF ... @Pedro ... dragged"
21:05
@TedShifrin a way of thinking :P
@evinda no, cause it's not
@TedShifrin I must say, Pedro has some good ideas.
The wrong way of thinking, @Balarka.
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@LeGrandDODOM good good :)
I'm not sure that was one of them, @DanielF.
@evinda that is not what I meant. You need to prove that $\epsilon_p(1)=1$
21:05
I didn't follow that, @Alizter.
@BalarkaSen A ok!!! Did you see my previous question about the ring homomorhism?
@DanielFischer What are we talking about?!?!? =D
@TedShifrin neither do i
@LeGrandDODOM Why do we have to show it?
@TedShifrin Perhaps not as far as you are concerned, but as far as the chat is concerned, it definitely was good.
21:06
@Alizter Do you go back to school on Fri?
@evinda just show that its a ring homom in the plain old way
@N3buchadnezzar I'll give it a swirl.
eh chat's moving too fast
@N3buchadnezzar Which year are you in?
@PedroTamaroff You dragging Ted in here.
21:06
OK, @Balarka: Give me the Reader's Digest version. What is your cell structure, then, in summary?
@DanielFischer Do you like lebkuchen?
Who wouldn't like honey + ginger + cake, @Pedro?
@AndrewThompson Between 3 and 4 like I said
@TedShifrin on S^1 \times S^2?
@PedroTamaroff Good ones. The bad ones are horrible.
21:07
Yes @Balarka
@N3buchadnezzar Oh, ok. Thanks again.
@evinda if this were about a group homomorphism, you needn't check that (it follows from the group structure). But a ring is quite different since not every element is invertible wrt to multiplication
Each time @TedShifrin appears, the chat gets busy, lol.
BTW, @Alizter: When shall I kill you?
'tis [0, 1]^3 with two opposite faces identified to a single face and then collapsed to a point @Ted
21:07
@DanielFischer My mother and niece baked some. I had to tell them to hide them away.
@AndrewThompson Gimme a note if it worsk
Oh, now that's my fault, @Jasper?
@TedShifrin WOAH WOAH WOAH!
That's not a cell structure.
hide them because they were so good?
21:08
@TedShifrin Yes. I would've eaten them all.
@Pedro Alizter said something about diff geo
It's on the right with a star, @Pedro. Don't yell at me!
@TedShifrin Yes. Have you not read the works of Nietzsche? "Ted ist tot".
@MikeMiller ok, an identification space then
@LeGrandDODOM @BalarkaSen So do we have to show $\epsilon_p(ab)=\epsilon_p(a) \epsilon_p(b)$ and $\epsilon_p(a+b)=\epsilon_p(a)+ \epsilon_p(b)$ and $\epsilon_p(1)=1$ ?
21:09
@TedShifrin I don't want you to get into trouble, is all.
That's completely and totally fucking worthless, @Balarka.
Kindertotenlieder of Mahler is good, @N3B
it's not. it shows that S^1 smash S^2 is S^3
@evinda yes, that is the very definition of a ring homomorphism
(Maybe if I use strong language you'll listen ton me.)
21:09
@PedroTamaroff Being suspended from chat for 30 min is no trouble at all.
Ok, Ted can deal with you.
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@Skull Hey pal :-)
ok, ok, back to cell structures
@PedroTamaroff Wrong strategy. Tell them to let you hide them away.
Maybe I'll go back to more tennis.
21:10
@TedShifrin Listening now.
Cell structures? Is this the biology room?
goes back reading cell structure on products from hatcher
Actually, I have teaching award dossiers to read :(
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@DanielFischer lol
@N3buchadnezzar works like a charm, thanks.
21:10
/me looks around, sees talk of murder, hiding something and cell structures.
/me not sure if in math chatroom anymore
@Arkamis!
@arkamis I keep mixing you up with that other user, lol.
Does this describe the rational numbers?
@Arkamis There's more math going on here than usual.
@JasperLoy what other user?
21:11
@Balarka: That seems not right. But tell me exactly how many cells of each dimension, please.
@Arkamis I don't know, it all got too confusing.
@MikeMiller Oh I didn't come here expecting math; I just didn't expect murder ;)
$$ \{ n/m \ ; \ n\in\mathbb{Z} \cap m \in \mathbb{Z}\backslash\{0\}\} $$
I am not plotting murder. I am asking about what @Alizter said over there ---->
@Arkamis Wow you used 2 semicolons.
21:12
But you're not not plotting murder. I won't judge. Or tell.
@TedShifrin there is no cell involved in my method
@JasperLoy I've been programming too much;
Well, maybe being exiled to no chat for a few months wouldn't be a bad thing.
You're supposed to give me a cell structure, @Balarka.
you can think about it as a 1-cell, a 2-cell and a 3-cell though.
@Arkamis overuses semicolons;
21:13
@Arkamis Plotting murder, by matlab ?
Anyway, I was trying to hunt down @PedroTamaroff to ask about wtf is going on with that user with the inverse matrix nonsense
You forgot a cell. And a list of numbers does not a cell structure make.
You're supposed to tell me exactly how to think of it as such (don't forget the $0$-cell, too).
@MikeMiller You forgot to say "Hmmm..."
i am not sure
21:14
Oh, I missed inverse matrix nonsense?
@Arkamis He cray cray bro.
i am trying to translate the identification space into cell language
OK @Balarka
@BalarkaSen @LeGrandDODOM @DanielFischer
So, we take $a,b \in \mathbb{Z}$.
Then $\epsilon_p(a+b)=(\overline{a+b})_{k \in \mathbb{N}_0}=(\overline{a+b}, \overline{a+b}, \overline{a+b}, \dots)$

Is it right so far?
Do we know that the first component of $(\overline{a+b})_{k \in \mathbb{N}_0}$ $\in \mathbb{Z}/p\mathbb{Z}$, the second $\in \mathbb{Z}/p^2\mathbb{Z}$ and so on?
@TedShifrin A user got his knickers in a twist because someone dared present the final form of the inverse of a matrix without explicitly writing down every step... despite the fact that the question had very little to do with how to compute the inverse
21:15
You're back on ignore until you can tell me what the cell structure on a product of two CW complexes is. Sorry kiddo.
He then decided to post his own answer that went out of its way to attack another user.
@PedroTamaroff Did you see his own answer on that question?
@MikeMiller i am thinking about it!
@Arkamis Nope.
Link? And please [text](link).
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@Studentmath LOL :P
@PedroTamaroff I have flagged it. I'm thinking about just editing out the nonsense parts.
21:16
@evinda LOL, can you give me the definition of $\epsilon_p$ ?
@anon !!!
I've had a user tell me several times I was wrong. So I've quit answering his questions :P
Hey there, stranger. I was wondering where you were.
enjoying break
(Of course, there are times I have been wrong. These just weren't those.)
@anon!!!
21:17
@robjohn sent it
@anon Cool. I am enjoying the break by enjoying my new books. =)
@anon: I still don't understand why you're taking nothing but general studies for 3 semesters ...
@LeGrandDODOM This is the definition: $\epsilon_p: \mathbb{Z} \to \mathbb{Z}_p, x \mapsto (\overline{x})_{k \in \mathbb{N}_0}=(\overline{x}, \overline{x}, \overline{x}, \dots )$
@Pedro: You still owe me that complex analysis question :P
@anon Jasper thinks you and I are one and the same.
21:18
Other people think you and I are the same, @Mike. rolls all 7 eyes
Ted = Mike = Anon
@TedShifrin I'm fairly done with math credits and need to work on gen eds now.
@anon Well that's just silly Mike.
4
Ooops.
@Ted killed @Alizter and added one of his eyes to his collection.
But you should still find a challenging math to take, @anon ...
21:19
@evinda If my understanding is correct, $\epsilon_p(x)$ is a constant sequence ?
@Arkamis I can see the review history.
@TedShifrin I've taken all the challenging math at my school. Most math I learn before I see it in a classroom anyway.
I meant formatting the link.
@Arkamis: For the record, I would have interpreted "I have no idea how to find the inverse" as "no idea how to find the inverse transform." :)
@TedShifrin Yes, that is how I interpet the question as well
21:20
No grad courses there you can take, @anon? Ah, then hurry up and graduate :)
@Ted No, I think it's only Jasper that interprets us to be the same.
Which is why Artem's objections to the lack of computing the inverse matrix is nonsensical.
I didn't know amWhy was a well-known plagiarizer.
@LeGrandDODOM I think that the first component $\in \mathbb{Z}/p\mathbb{Z}$, the second $\in \mathbb{Z}/p^2\mathbb{Z}$ and so on..., but I am not sure...... :/
@Arkamis: In the comments, Mark said he was having trouble finding $(sI-A)^{-1}$, so I guess that clarifies it.
21:23
that is the definition of p-adics, @evinda. you really should be revising your basics before getting into algebraic number theory and whatnot, which both i and @Ted have told you thousands of times.
@evinda so you're hesitant on the definition of $\epsilon_p$ ? How do you expect to prove anything about something that is not precisely defined ?
it's just $x \mapsto (x, x, x, ...) $ @LeGrandDODOM
@Balarka: You should stay polite, and don't clump me into "thousands of times."
@Arkamis Don't engage with such users. Simply flag, and we'll handle it. I have delted your comment.
@TedShifrin It is called hyperbole.
21:25
Ah, so he's quit doing his cell complexes to be rude to others, @Ted?
Toooo many people trying to do stuff they're not prepared to study. There were a few persons asking every question from Guillemin and Pollack on main. Sigh.
@BalarkaSen what's the codomain ?
@PedroTamaroff I knew you would, hence a free crack ;)
Keep conic sections out of this, @Jasper.
@Jasper do you work out?
21:26
i have politely asked @evinda to revise his/her basics, seeing that he is unsure of how to think about the problems he is given.
@DonLarynx I did a decade ago.
@LeGrandDODOM $\mathbf{Z}_p$
hi @Don
@anon I cannot say I have taken all the challenging math at my school, but I do learn most of my math before I see it in a classroom. =D
I don't think legranddodo remembered to say hi to me :)
@Pedro: There's a lot of serious graduate math going on at your university!!
21:26
@Jasper: Circulation brings you alive. I just finished my first workout in 2 weeks but man I am sore. I was going insane beforehand.
@Ted Shifrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrin HI!
Bonsoir, et pardon @Ted
Hey @Ted, @Mike, @Pedro, @Balarka, @Japser and @Don! ^_^
@LeGrandDODOM Do you know that if d|n (that is, d divides n) then there is a projection map Z/nZ->Z/dZ and that this is a ring homomorphism?
heya @Khallil
21:27
hello @Khallil
Merci mille fois, ledodo :)
@anon Now that you have this break from math, I think it's high time you learned the atiyah-singer index theorem.
@anon yes, I know that (it's even unique iirc)
@BalarkaSen I am sorry.... I had seen an other proof about $\mathbb{Z}_p$ and I was confused.
So, if we consider a $x \in \mathbb{Z}$, then $\epsilon_p(x)=(x modulo p, x modulo p^2, x modulo p^3, \dots)$, right?
I always took @anon for a total algebraist, but I'm not sure any more.
21:28
@evinda yes
@MikeMiller that actually sounds pretty cool
@anon is a number theorist
would you like a book recommendation?
labels are for combinatorists
Speaking of mille fois, how about mille feuille, @Ted?
21:28
because this room's full of em
I praise @anon for his trying to learn a great swath of mathematics. When he's 30 he can decide to be more specialized :)
@anon lol
I've made puff pastry numerous times in my youth, @Khallil
Speaking of labels, @Mike, I gather you got your tush taken to the cleaner by those old gay guys? :D
21:30
@TedShifrin I only lost a dollar, in the grand scheme of things. But the way I play didn't translate well to the number of BBs everyone had, the number of people, and how long it took to play a given hand.
@TedShifrin i try to learn great swath (compared to a little brain like me) mathematics too, but only getting kicks and "you're too young and stupid" instead of praise. [not complaining]
:P
I haven't found mille feuille here at all. Only in Morocco have I eaten it. Never made it though. It seems really tough, @Ted!
That looks good @KhallilBenyattou
Hey @Ted
First of all, @Balarka, I've never remotely said you were "too young and stupid." I've slammed you for your dismissive, arrogant language towards parts of math you're not interested in.
heya @Kaj :)
ah, yes, and i have stopped doing that ever since.
21:31
Ah, my downvoter is back at it this afternoon
Someone was asking here earlier if I advertised MSE in my classes, @Kaj :)
@KajHansen Who do you suspect it is?
It's me, for sure.
I had a vicious downvoter a while ago, @Kaj. I would have suspected René, but he was on suspension at the time. So I don't know who it was.
Not going to say here, but I have my suspicions.
21:32
I promise I didn't do it this time, @Kaj :D
@KajHansen I see, or you can be open about it and say here and we can bring the downvoter into this chat and talk it out.
Can anybody think of an example of a sequence $\left( a_n \right)$ for which $\left( \left| a_n \right| \right)$ doesn’t converge but $\left( a_n \right)$ does?
Lots, @Khallil, and so can you.
@Kaj who are your suspicions? We may be able to help you out.
@TedShifrin Yes, it is! =D
21:34
You should say it here, @kaj. I would enjoy it.
@BalarkaSen So, in order to prove that $\epsilon_p$ is a ring homomorphismcould we do it like that? Or have I done something wrong?

Let $a,b \in \mathbb{Z}$. Then:

$\epsilon_p(a+b)=((a+b) \mod {p},(a+b) \mod {p^2}, (a+b) \mod {p^3}, \dots )=(a \mod{p}+b \mod{p}, a \mod{p^2}+b \mod{p^2}, a \mod{p^3}+b \mod{p^3}, \dots)=\epsilon_p(a)+ \epsilon_p(b)$


$\epsilon_p(ab)=(ab \mod {p},ab \mod {p^2}, ab \mod {p^3}, \dots )=(a \mod{p} \cdot b \mod{p}, a \mod{p^2} \cdot b \mod{p^2}, a \mod{p^3} \cdot b \mod{p^3}, \dots)=\epsilon_p(a) \cdot \epsilon_p(b)$
yeesh @evinda
@Kaj: First we should look and see if the downvoter had rationale. Links?
@JasperLoy i see that you're an expert in maths books, can you recommend me a springer book that's less than ~45$
21:34
looks good @evinda.
@KhallilBenyattou $x\to |x|$ is continuous
@user153330 What topic?
now prove that $\ker \epsilon_p$ is trivial.
@evinda: If you have $(\phi_1,\phi_2)\colon R\to S_1\times S_2$, it will be a homomorphism if and only if each $\phi_i$ is. No need to write out all that ...
I remember my first downvoting streak (I was the victim). Someone was butthurt.
21:35
@JasperLoy Undergrad, choose your topic, besides Linear algebra and differential geo
@KajHansen Roomba will activate in a few hours, removing most of those.
I don't get the hint, @LeGrandDODOM, but I'll try to think of one on my own for now.
I feel that's what Ted is trying to tell me anyway!
roomba? lel.
@Khallil i'd have given you an example if ted weren't already helping you
Yep, that's what I've been told. They've been spread out over a few hours though, so hopefully the script takes that into account.
@user153330 Well, I am afraid I cannot answer that question. I can only respond to questions for books about a particular topic. But I cannot guarantee the price or publisher either.
@JasperLoy what would you recommend me to learn first: abstract algebra or combinatorics & graphs ...
what's a Roomba?
a bot.
@user153330: Do you know what an abstract algebra is?
@user153330 Well, does not really matter.
21:37
@Kaj: Yeah, seems like someone's just going around downvoting you for no particular reason. Oh, and BTW, sorry for using a definition of $G(K/F)$ that @anon didn't like :P
@BalarkaSen Nice!!!
@DonLarynx ain't that stopid
One day Jasper will be the sole arbiter of mathematical education, at least based on the nmber of people coming here to ask him for advice.
And on that day, we'll be doomed.
@JasperLoy okay so recommend me then : )
@TedShifrin How could we apply this in our case?
21:38
@TedShifrin what definition did you use?
@evinda You have a particular tendency to TeX things here that take up a loooooot of space.
$G(K/F) = \{F\text{-automorphisms of }K\}$.
I agree with you, @Ted.
that's... standard.
@TedShifrin, I've gotten plenty used to the different styles of notation by now. That particular post was on the literal first night of looking at Chapter 7 in your book. :D
21:39
@TedShifrin sequential continuity
@user153330 Harris and Hirst's Combinatorics and Graph Theory.
I was snarking at @anon a bit, @Kaj :)
except that i usually use Aut(K/F) and Gal(K/F) only if K/F is galois
which @Mike says is stupid
I have no memory of these things
I thought @Khallil wanted an example of a conditionally convergent series. Was it sequence?
21:39
is @anon's favo definition etale \pi_1 of riemann surfaces? ;)
Yep, a sequence @Ted. ^_^
I've switched to saying $\operatorname{Aut}(K/F)$ for that and $\operatorname{Gal}(K/F)$ if it's Galois.
I humbly apologize, @Khallil. I will banish myself.
@JasperLoy i knew yo would help me, thanks : )
@KajHansen i do that too
21:40
No no! It's an easy mistake to make, @Ted!
@user153330 I have a feeling you are looking for a present to give someone.
I'm not saying I'd use the same notation in a grad course, @Kaj. I do have pedagogical differences for different levels.
@JasperLoy do you mean a gift? nope
It comes of too much going on too fast in here, @Khallil. Legranddodo was absolutely right.
Or even $\operatorname{Gal}(f)$ for some quick shorthand talking about the Galois group of some polynomial $f$.
21:42
yuck @Kaj
some people use Gal(K|F). even yuckier
for gal of some poly f over F, i use Gal(F(f)/F)
@TedShifrin I haven't got taught this... Isn't the other argument also ok?
@anon i stumbled on an odl question recently and grumbled to myself: "I think this is poorly explaind; this one thing should be this other thing instead, as it's more easily visualized that way." then I looked in the comments and saw I said the exact same thing a few months ago.
Is it appropriate to define a conditional in a function like this?
$f: \mathbb{N} \rightarrow \mathbb{N}.$ $f(x) = x=1 \implies 1. x \neq 1 \implies 2$
You're just saying what I said, @evinda, but it is hard to read or follow.
@Mike: These days you're grumbling more and more. You're acting like me. Maybe @Jasper is right.
it's a hobby.
21:44
@MikeMiller wait till you stumble upon comments from a few years ago
I do not follow, @MasterMastic
@TedShifrin A ok...
I say super yucky to that one, @Balarka.
@KhallilBenyattou don't think too much, if (a_n) converges so does ...
@TedShifrin I'm asking if I wrote a valid function, or if there's a better way to express this function. (If the input is 1 the output is 1, if the input is not 1 the output is 2).
21:45
$G_{K|F}$
@Mike @Ted essentially we're taking a 3-cell and identifying the endpoints.
@anon ugh ugh ugh
ohhh ... @MasterMastic. Either write $f(x)=\begin{cases} 1, & x=1 \\ 2, &\text{otherwise}\end{cases}$ or $f(1)=1$ and $f(x)=2$ whenever $x\ne 1$.
@TedShifrin @BalarkaSen In order to prove that the kernel is trivial, could we do it like that?

$$ker(\epsilon_p)=\{ x: \epsilon_p(x)=0\}$$

$$\epsilon_p(x)=(x \mod{p}, x \mod{p^2}, x \mod{p^3}, \dots)$$

$$\epsilon_p(x)=0 \Rightarrow x \mod{p^n}=0 \forall n \in \mathbb{N} \Rightarrow x=0$$

Thus, $ker(\epsilon_p(x))=\{0\}$.
That makes no sense to me @Balarka
@Balarka $G(f \in F[x] / F)$ :P
21:47
Fine to me, @evinda, as long as you really understand it :)
i say S^1 cross S^2 is S^3 with the topmost and the lowermost points identified
@anon and @Kaj ignored for yucky notations
No way, @Balarka. $S^1\times S^2$ is a manifold, and your identification space is not.
@TedShifrin I see, thanks a lot!
Sure @MasterMastic
@anon Do you know this one? Suppose $\mathfrak a$ is an ideal in a (commutative) ring $A$ such that every minimal prime over it is f.g. Then there are finitely many of these.
21:49
even in badly non-Noetherian rings, @Pedro?
@anon not possible; I won't be alive by then
@TedShifrin Yes!
@PedroTamaroff nope
well you're taking a cube and after identifying the opposite edges collapsing it to a point
@TedShifrin We wanted to show that $\epsilon_p$ is an embedding. Having shown that $\epsilon_p$ is a ring homomorphism and that the kernel is trivial, as above, are we done?
21:49
that looks S^1 cross S^2 enough to me
Well, @evinda, what's the definition of embedding?
@anon Aim to show there must be a finite set of minimal primes over it whose product is under it.
@evinda you have't shown that the kernel is trivial
That sounds like a lot of bedroom gymnastics with those primes, @Pedro.
it's easy with a sex swing
21:51
Starred and unstarred so quickly ... sigh.
@TedShifrin We like you nonetheless.
you're easily the funniest person here, @anon. unfortunately, that's not much of a compliment
No, @Mike, it's like coals to Newcastle.
21:52
@DonLarynx I'm catching up
@Ted so you're lurking on /sci ;)
Ledodo, it's not weird. Surely it's just false.
That's me @LeGrandDODOM
@KajHansen a jar full of human beans
sounds good
yes, that's Balarka's level of humor, @Kaj.
21:54
sigh i'm such a sucker at making puns.
You can tell he'll be a professor one day @Ted ;)
you're referring to bad humor as my strong point, @Kaj?
LEL
+1 @Kaj
@TedShifrin In order to show that an homomorphsim $\phi$ is an embedding, don't we only have to show that it is injective, i.e that $ker \phi=0$ ?
I'm asking you what the definition is, @evinda!!
21:55
This is a fun question, @Ted, because I can solve it now that I know some Riemannian...
ledodo, I take it back. It's true. Not very interestingly so.
@TedShifrin, not strong "point" in the singular sense, but one of multiple of course.
@TedShifrin We haven't done it in class... :/
@BalarkaSen I thought that we have shown like that that the kernel is trivial, haven't we?
$$ker(\epsilon_p)=\{ x: \epsilon_p(x)=0\}$$

$$\epsilon_p(x)=(x \mod{p}, x \mod{p^2}, x \mod{p^3}, \dots)$$

$$\epsilon_p(x)=0 \Rightarrow x \mod{p^n}=0 \forall n \in \mathbb{N} \Rightarrow x=0$$

Thus, $ker(\epsilon_p(x))=\{0\}$.
I don't quite get it, @user153330. Intuitively, I'd say that $\left( | a_n | \right)$ converges if and only $\left( a_n \right)$ but I can't prove the equivalence.
@TedShifrin can you prove it without bruteforce ?
21:57
@evinda That's correct.
Sure, legranddodo ... All complex matrices can be upper-triangularized.
if you haven't done embeddings in the class, why are you trying to prove that there is an embedding $\mathbb Z \to \mathbf{Z}_p$?
@KhallilBenyattou try $a_n=(-1)^n$
Nice @PedroTamaroff !!!
@KhallilBenyattou no it's the opposite !! we don't have an equivalence
21:58
@BalarkaSen I took an advanced subject where it should be known......
Quitting is so hard, damn it...
@evinda you shouldn't have taken it then
legranddodo: Do you want to write an answer to the question?
Well, $\left( a_n \right)$ doesn't converge, but $\left( \left| a_n \right| \right) \to 1$. I'm looking for a sequence where $\left( a_n \right)$ converges but $\left( \left| a_n \right| \right)$ doesn't.
It's not an equivalence, @user153330?
Hmm. No, I guess I can't answer it, because I didn't read the question very carefully. But whatevs.
21:59
@Mike: Too much going on here. I haven't looked yet.
just take $(a_n)$ where $a_n = \sum_{i\leq n} (-1)^i/i$ @Khallil
@Ted I don't have an answer yet, and I'm pondering on yours
@TedShifrin @BalarkaSen And can we conclude from that that $\mathbb{Z} \subset \mathbb{Z}_p$ ?

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