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13:00
$$ \begin{aligned} \int_{0}^{\infty} \dfrac{1}{x^2 + a^2} \text{ d}x = \dfrac{\pi}{2a} & \overset{\frac{\text{d}}{\text{d}a}}\implies \dfrac{\text{d}}{\text{d}a} \int_{0}^{\infty} \dfrac{1}{x^2 + a^2} \text{ d}x = \dfrac{\text{d}}{\text{d}a} \left( \dfrac{\pi}{2a} \right) \\ & \overset{(\psi)}\implies \int_{0}^{\infty} \dfrac{\partial}{\partial a} \left( \dfrac{1}{x^2 + a^2} \right) \text{ d}x =\dfrac{-\pi}{2a^2} \end{aligned} $$ @TheArtist
22 mins ago, by Khallil Benyattou
Oh, this is differentiation under the int. sign. I've only seen it a few times, but the main idea is to introduce a new parameter ($t$) into the integral to generalise it, then differentiate it according to the rule $(\psi)$ and finally substitute a value of of the parameter in such that the integral matches up to the original. $$(\psi) \qquad I(t) = \int f(x,t) \text{ d}x \implies I'(t) = \dfrac{\text{d}}{\text{d}t} \int f(x,t) \text{ d}x = \int \dfrac{\partial}{\partial t} f(x,t) \text{ d}x $$
That's what $(\psi)$ is. Then proceed to partially differentiate the integrand of the LHS, then divide the whole equality by $-2a$ to get the desired result, @TheArtist. ^_^
@KhallilBenyattou thank you so much :) I understand :)
No prob. It was slightly weirdly written, so I understand where the confusion could've come from. ^_^
@KhallilBenyattou ^_^
@KhallilBenyattou but there is a small problem I find in this :/
13:03
Ooh, where?
@skull, =P
@KhallilBenyattou like see , wen it comes to Integrals we are supposed to go from A TO B, and not from B to A ....like , what if I asked you to prove $$\int_0^{\infty} \frac{1}{(x^2+a^2)^2} dx= \frac{\pi}{4a^3}$$
^^^ how would u do it using Leibniz formula ?
Remember ur not starting by differentiating $\int \frac{1}{a^2+x^2} dx$
Oh, I see what you mean. Honestly, I probably wouldn't think of Leibniz at all. I'd more likely than not just try an $x = a\tan\theta$ substitution and get lost in the treacherous pits of trigonometry. The main idea would be that experience will tell you that the integrand looks like the derivative of something similar to $\frac{1}{x^2 + a^2}$, I guess.
The more you practice, the more you'll spot neat tricks like that I think. ^_^
@TheArtist My experience will tell me to use $\displaystyle\int \frac{1}{a^2+x^2} dx$
@KhallilBenyattou so Leibniz formula is used to get results from existing results :)
@Venus hehe
13:07
Yep. I'm sure it has much deeper applications that I don't understand as well, @TheArtist!
@Venus since I have seen this now :p my mind will know that I would have to use that :)
@TheArtist Mostly, the parametric integral I use is coming from my intuition or trial & error
@KhallilBenyattou yep :) I believe so too.....thank you so much :D for helping me out :)
@Integrator @Venus my thanks go to you tooo. :)
@KhallilBenyattou now I can continue with the book peacefully :D
No prob. I don't feel like I did much.
I just added like 2 steps in the intermediate working that the author left out (probably as an exercise). =P
@TheArtist Anytime
13:11
@KhallilBenyattou no u did :) I was totally confused and not sure as why they going reverse the process... I was not understanding it or happy with my guess and I found it weird :) you confirmed it's what happens right now with Leibniz :)
@KhallilBenyattou are you undergrad?
@KhallilBenyattou hard to explain :p but yes u did a great deal
Yep, just started my first year in October, @TheArtist.
I've got exams in about 2 weeks but I'm totally lost with the material. =P
How about you, @TheArtist?
@KhallilBenyattou October, oh ummm Uk or Asia? (Since it's these places that start on October I think)
@KhallilBenyattou starting my first year on feb 2015
Ah, so are you in the US, @TheArtist?
13:13
@DanielFischer The highest power of $p$ dividing $x_l$ is $p^{n'} \leqslant p^n$, and the highest power of $p$ dividing $y_l$ is $p^{m'} \leqslant p^m$. So the highest power of $p$ dividing $x_l\cdot y_l$ is $p^{n'+m'}$.
So do we suppose that gcd(n',m')=1 ?
@KhallilBenyattou thought so :) almost all my high school mates are in UK...which univ?
@KhallilBenyattou univ is in Australia...I'm Asian though, going there on feb
@evinda No. That has nothing to do with it. $(p^{n'}\cdot u_0)\cdot (p^{m'}\cdot u_1) = p^{n'+m'}\cdot (u_0\cdot u_1)$.
Ah, Australia seems like a nice place to live. The weather is so much better over there than it is here in the UK.
It's a university called Warwick, @TheArtist! Which one are you going to in Australia? ^_^
@KhallilBenyattou I knw univ of warwick ^_^ Yep weather wise better, university of adelaide.
@DanielFischer A ok... And since the highest power of $p$ dividing $x_l \cdot y_l$ is $p^{n'+m'}$ and $n'+m'<l$ we conclude that $x_l \cdot y_l \not\equiv 0 \mod{p^l}$ ?
13:19
Yes.
It suffices that $x_l\cdot y_l \not\equiv 0 \pmod{p^{l+1}}$.
@DanielFischer why does it suffices that $x_l\cdot y_l \not\equiv 0 \pmod{p^{l+1}}$?
@evinda Because the $l$-th component of $x\cdot y$ is the remainder of $x_l\cdot y_l$ modulo $p^{l+1}$.
Horray I am a MSE fanatic
@DanielFischer And can we say that $x_l\cdot y_l \not\equiv 0 \pmod{p^{l+1}}$ since the highest power of $p$ that divides $x_l \cdot y_l$ is $n'+m'<l+1$ ?
13:25
@Alizter I need 36 days again to get that badge
@DanielFischer Nice.. So since the l-th component of $x \cdot y$ $ \not\equiv 0 \pmod{p^{l+1}}$ all the next elements will be different from one modulo l+i, right?
So we conclude that $xy \neq 0$, or am I wrong?
I've heard of the University of Adelaide before!
Australia is a country I'd really like to visit some day, @TheArtist.
You're really lucky to have the chance to go there!
(Sorry for the late reply, I was watching an interesting YouTube video!)
@KhallilBenyattou Uk is a country I'd really like to visit
@KhallilBenyattou an error occurred wit that link :p
@KhallilBenyattou :-)
@evinda You meant "... will be different from $0$ modulo $l+i$" I presume. It follows that all furter components will be different from $0$, but to conclude $x\cdot y \neq 0$, it suffices that one component is $\neq 0$.
@KhallilBenyattou I've always wanted to go to US or Uk , last minute plans changed :) hopefully Il get to for my masters.
13:33
@Venus You're not 10K yet! 10 K users can see deleted answers.
@DanielFischer I see... So now we have shown that $\mathbb{Z}_p$ is an integral domain.. right? How can we show that it is a principal ideal domain? :/
@Integrator Yeah, I know that. Daniel told me
It's a pretty nice place, but the media overhypes it a bit too much. I guess I have that view because I live in the UK. Australia seems more laid back and relaxed. My favourite teacher was also Australian so I guess my view is skewed a little, @TheArtist. =P
@evinda For example y showing that the $(p^n)$ are the only ideals.
So, I have the same question from yesterday, and I only managed an epsilon progress. I have $u:X\to Y$ being unto and continuous, and I have that for every space $Z$ and every function $w:Y\to Z$, if $wu$ is continuous $w$ is continuous. I want to show that $X/f$ is homeomorphic to $Y$. So I figured that happens iff $u$ is identification.
13:40
@Studentmath Do you know the definition of a final topology?
I already have that $u$ is unto and continous, so I want to show that it maps open f-saturated sets from $X$ to open sets in $Y$. So I figured I'd take $Z=X$, and $g=f^{-1}$. But I have no reason to believe $f^{-1} f$ would be continous, not even only on f-saturated sets.
@DanielFischer @Venus Do you know why @UserX is suspended?
I don't think so, let me google
@Integrator He asked for it, spent too much time here and did less good in a test than he should have. So he asked for a suspension to be able to concentrate on school.
@DanielF Not yet, no - but I think it's not far from what I currently study (a chapter away at most)
13:43
@DanielFischer :O
@Studentmath The characterisation you have is precisely that of final topologies, that is, $Y$ carries the final topology with respect to $f$. Which means by definition that $X/f \cong Y$.
@KhallilBenyattou everyone I gues feels that about the country he/she lives in :)
@Studentmath That doesn't work (unless $f$ is bijective), since $f^{-1}$ is not defined as a map $Y\to X$ if $f$ isn't injective.
@DanielF I see, I will try to get to that and maybe I will have an idea how to solve it with previous tools
@DanielF Thanks!
Dec 5 at 19:17, by UserX
I need a mod to suspend my acc till july
13:46
@Studentmath Do you already know the quotient topology? (It's a special case of final topologies.)
@DanielFischer Got it! Thanks!
@DanielF that I do, of course
@Studentmath Okay, then looking at $Z = X/f$ may be a good idea.
@Integrator No idea
@KhallilBenyattou cya later :) bye
13:48
@DanielF Oh. I think I see it now, hah, thanks! I was fixed on $Z=X$ for some reason
Yup, see ya later, @TheArtist!
^_^
@DanielFischer How could we do this? :/
@Integrator Why he wants to?
Note to self: it's a good idea to take a probiotic along with a strong antibiotic
13:53
@evinda Err, and $\{0\}$ of course. Suppose $I \neq \{0\}$ is an ideal. Look at the powers of $p$ dividing nonzero elements of $I$.
Dec 5 at 19:26, by UserX
@WillHunting I scored 70 at a physics test I was supposed to ace because while I should have noticed a detail I didn't. Instead of studying the previous day I browsed MSE, chat and studied higher math. I quit them all till july to be able to study and ace everything. I really wanna get into medschool.
@Venus ^
@DanielFischer How can we find the powers of $p$ dividing nonzero elements of $I$? :/
@evinda Remember how it was shown that $K[X]$ is a principal ideal domain for a field $K$. The argument is similar.
@Integrator Good luck for him!
14:09
@DanielFischer According to my notes, if $K$ is a field then $K[x_1, x_2, \dots, x_n]$ is a unique factorization domain and we have that the principal ideal domain is a subset of the unique factorization domain . Do you mean this?
@evinda The polynomial ring in a single indeterminate. That is a PID.
Here is a series to try for those who are interested. (I doubt many are).
$$\sum^\infty_{m=0}\sum^\infty_{n=0}\frac{9^m16^n\Gamma\left(m+n+\frac{3}{2}\right)}{25^{m+n}(2m+1)(2n+1)\Gamma(m+n+2)}$$
@DanielFischer Could you explain it further to me? :/
@evinda Which argument was used to show that $K[X]$ is a PID?
@M.N.C.E. That is a daunting one. Where did you get this monster?
14:17
@DanielFischer The fact that $K$ is a field?
@evinda That was used somewhere, but it's not the most outstanding part of the argument.
Morning, @DanielF
Has @Sawarnik been here?
@DanielFischer Didn't we also use the fact that $K[x_1, x_2, \dots, x_n]$ is a unique factorization domain?
@evinda No. One does not even look at polynomial rings in more than one indeterminate yet. How did one prove that the polynomial ring in one indeterminate over a field is a PID?
Morning, @MikeMiller.
14:21
Just woke up from a dream ending in the words "Spaghetti is not a function of $X$"; this is no doubt correct
@Venus It really isn't as hard as it looks. I got it by fooling around with some Fourier series.
@DanielFischer We didn't prove it in class... How can we prove it?
sigh @ starboard
@M.N.C.E. Do you have a closed-form for that one?
@evinda In some lecture, that must have been proved. Maybe in an exercise. It's utterly fundamental.
14:23
@Venus Yup. It can be expressed in terms of $\pi$ and $\chi_2\left(\frac{1}{6}\right)$
@M.N.C.E. Post on the main as a challenge problem for Xmas :D
Can you answer this question and send to me — user149120 12 mins ago
@MikeMiller ^^
And you sigh about the starboard.
I sigh at main too.
@Venus Actually, something similar is already on main (under a different guise). It was sos440 who solved that problem.
@M.N.C.E. I'm not surprised to hear it :D
@DanielFischer Can you vote for yourself in the election?
14:29
@Venus The main idea is to relate the series to the integral $\displaystyle\int^\frac{\pi}{2}_0\mathrm{artanh}\left(\frac{3}{5}\sin{x}\right)\mathrm{artanh}\left(\frac{4}{5}\sin{x}\right)\ {\rm d}x$. Then use the Fourier expansion $\displaystyle2\sum^\infty_{n=0}\frac{r^{2n+1}}{2n+1}\cos\left((2n+1)x\right)
=\mathrm{artanh}\left(\frac{2r\cos{x}}{1+r^2}\right)$.
@M.N.C.E. How to prove the Fourier expansion?
@Venus I have read that one can somewhere, but I was raised in a culture where that is not done.
@Venus The sum on the LHS is $\mathrm{artanh}(re^{ix})+\mathrm{artanh}(re^{-ix})$. Then use the addition formula $\displaystyle\mathrm{artanh}(\alpha)+\mathrm{artanh}(\beta)=\mathrm{artanh}\lef‌​t(\frac{a+b}{1+ab}\right)$
@DanielFischer I didn't find anything, neither in my notes, nor at the exercises... :/
@evinda Probably in Linear algebra or maybe Algebra I. Anyway. How was it proved that $\mathbb{Z}$ is a PID?
14:42
@DanielFischer Do we have to use this sentence?

$\mathbb{Z}_p$ contains only the ideals $0$ and $p^n \mathbb{Z}_p$ for $n \in \mathbb{N}_0$. It holds $\bigcap_{n \in \mathbb{N}_0} p^n \mathbb{Z}_p=0$ and $\mathbb{Z}_p \ p^n\mathbb{Z}_p \cong \mathbb{Z} \ p^n \mathbb{Z}$.
Especially $p\mathbb{Z}_p$ is the only maximal ideal.
@evinda The first part of that contains more than what you want to prove. Not only says it that $\mathbb{Z}_p$ is a PID, it also lists the ideals.
heya @DanielF, @evinda
@M.N.C.E. It seems too difficult for me :D
Heya @Ted.
$p$-adics at this hour of the morning?
14:48
Hi @TedShifrin!!!
Hi @DanielFischer, thanks for commenting on my question about Weierstrass (http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1076068/having-trouble-combining-weierstrass-approximation-theorem-and-the-infinite-sequ). I have a followup question if you don't mind.

How does the fact that an infinite sequence of holomorphic function converge to another holomorphic function relate to the complex fourier transform? Does it mean that only analytic functions can be fourier transformed in the complex world?
hi ted
Hello. You might be interested in Mathematically productive ways to waste time
@Integrator It's astonishingly small. Was at something like 60 or 80k last year.
15:00
@DanielFischer faints
@DanielR No, the Fourier transform is essentially a part of real analysis, even though one looks at complex-valued functions.
@Integrator It was at ~120k when the review queues were introduced.
@DanielFischer How do we use the first sentenece in order to prove that $\mathbb{Z}_p$ is a PID?
@evinda If you can use that, there is nothing left to be done.
@DanielFischer Ah, I see. I wish I weren't too old and busy. Now it's impossible to take the time to understand a thing or two instead of just skimming the surface of deep subjects.
15:15
@DanielFischer An integral domain is called principal ideal domain , if each ideal $I\subseteq A$ is a principal ideal, i.e. there is a $x\in A$, such that $I=A\cdot x=\left\{a\cdot x\mid a\in A\right\}$.
In our case it can be $I=0$ or $I=p^n \mathbb{Z}_p$.
If $I=0$, we can write $I=\mathbb{Z}_p \cdot 0=\left\{a\cdot 0\mid a\in \mathbb{Z}_p\right\}$, right?
If $I=p^n \mathbb{Z}_p$, we can write $I=\mathbb{Z}_p\cdot p^n=\left\{a\cdot p^n\mid a\in \mathbb{Z}_p\right\}$.
So, $\mathbb{Z}_p$ is a PID.. Or am I wrong?
@evinda The question is, has "$\mathbb{Z}_p$ contains only the ideals $0$ and $p^n\mathbb{Z}_p$ for $n\in \mathbb{N}_0$" been proved or not?
$A \not\implies B \iff A \implies \lnot B$, right?
This is an other proposition of the theorem I am looking at... I will send you the proof.. But if it would be known, could we justify like that the fact that $\mathbb{Z}_p$ is a PID?

This is the proof of the proposition "$\mathbb{Z}_p$ contains only the ideals $0$ and $p^n \mathbb{Z}_p$ for $n \in \mathbb{N}_0$. It holds $\bigcap_{n \in \mathbb{N}_0} p^n \mathbb{Z}_p=0$ and $\mathbb{Z}_p \ p^n\mathbb{Z}_p \cong \mathbb{Z} \ p^n \mathbb{Z}$.
Especially $p\mathbb{Z}_p$ is the only maximal ideal.":
@M.N.C.E. nice series. By the way, some time ago I created a series you definitely need to see. Both @robjohn and I computed it in different ways.
Hey, @Balarka!
15:23
Hi pal :-)
@evinda If that part has been proved, then it has been proved that $\mathbb{Z}_p$ is a PID.
@BalarkaSen don't let ted bother you my friend
@DanielFischer As I justified it above?
@M.N.C.E. It's about this one $$\sum_{n=0}^\infty\sum_{m=0}^\infty\sum_{k=0}^\infty\frac{n!m!k!}{(n+m+k+2)!}$$ Maybe @Venus also likes it.
15:27
@evinda Yes, as in that proof.
@DanielFischer Do you mean like that? :/

An integral domain is called principal ideal domain , if each ideal $I\subseteq A$ is a principal ideal, i.e. there is a $x\in A$, such that $I=A\cdot x=\left\{a\cdot x\mid a\in A\right\}$.
In our case it can be $I=0$ or $I=p^n \mathbb{Z}_p$.
If $I=0$, we can write $I=\mathbb{Z}_p \cdot 0=\left\{a\cdot 0\mid a\in \mathbb{Z}_p\right\}$, right?
If $I=p^n \mathbb{Z}_p$, we can write $I=\mathbb{Z}_p\cdot p^n=\left\{a\cdot p^n\mid a\in \mathbb{Z}_p\right\}$.
What are the ideals of $\mathbf{Z}_p$, @evinda?
Enumerate them, and then show that they are principal.
hi @Hippalectryon
@Nick hello
@BalarkaSen The ideals are $0$ and $p^n \mathbb{Z}_p$.
How can we show that they are pricipal?
15:44
@skullpatrol Hi
@Hippalectryon that's a very patriotic hat your wearing my friend ^_^
Uncle Sam?
@Behaviour In the review page, the "hide" button does not work anymore. Also, what is the number (..) in the tab's name supposed to be ? Even when I have cleared everything, it stays at (3),(4),(5) or (6)
@skullpatrol I'm not from the US though
@skullpatrol : Namaste
@Nick how are you pal?
@Chris'ssis First double sums & now triple sums. Both are so freaky!
15:51
@Venus But very nice at the same time! :-)
@Chris'ssis NAH! :D
@skullpatrol Mhh, fantastic! superb! I feel like I bear infinite energy. I want to spread my happiness and joy to the world!
Hello @BalarkaSen I am glad you decided not to leave this chat.
@evinda well write up your definition of "pricipal"
@JasperLoy i haven't left, but i am not gonna chat anyway
@BalarkaSen lurk, like me, then. Muhahahahaa
15:58
me too
@skullpatrol We'll form a football league: Lurker's United.
@Nick united we stand!
Salut @Hippa. Joyeux Noël.
hi @Nick, @skull
Hello @TedShifrin, lol.
hi blue @Jasper. Why the LOL?
16:02
@TedShifrin Well, it's become part of me already. It's like a tic.
@Chris'ssis By the way, have you any methods to find a closed form for series like $$\sum_{n=1}^\infty \biggl(\sin \frac{1}{2n} - \sin \frac{1}{2n+1}\biggr)\,?$$
Hello Professor @TedShifrin
Ah, I'll wait and see what the toc brings.
@Chris'ssis I must say that series is really interesting. For a simpler variant of the series we could split the cases into $m=n$, $m>n$ and $m<n$ to get
$$\sum_{m,n\in\mathbb{N}_0}\frac{m!n!}{(n+m+1)!}
=\sum_{m\in\mathbb{N}_0}\frac{(m!)^2}{(2m+1)!}+2\sum_{m,n\in\mathbb{N}_0}\frac{(m+n+1)!n!}{(m+2n+2)!}$$
I guess the same idea should work for the triple series
Oh, now the other DanielR is here. How utterly confuzling.
16:04
Namaste @Ted-saheb
How many languages are you working on, @Nick?
@TedShifrin None... except math.
"Saheb" is a very respectful salutation.
oh :)
I'm sure he only meant half of it, @skull.
@DanielFischer Interesting. Do you know it has a closed-form? I need to think of it for a while.
@M.N.C.E. Yeah, it should work I think.
16:08
@Chris'ssis I don't know if it has. Thus I ask an expert.
@BalarkaSen A principal ideal is an ideal I in a ring R that is generated by a single element a of R through multiplication by every element of R.
@skullpatrol In punjab, it's thrown around like free jalebis.
@DanielFischer I'll think of it for a while and try to see if I can approach it in some way. I'll let you know if I find something useful.
@skullpatrol Nick screws the lightbulb and pets the dog
@Nick Orly?
16:10
@Chris'ssis Good. If you find something, that'd be cool, if not, also no problem.
chew gum, too, @Nick
@TedShifrin That move has been banned by the health association because it encourages the usage of paan-masala. A big no no.
Gesundheit!
@skullpatrol You don't how hard it is to get a free jalebi, do you?
It's already Mon here. That means the new year is next Thu.
16:13
@TedShifrin Not yet
Could you take a look at this proof?

http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1076715/set-of-integer-p-adics-proposition
I know, @Hippa, but it doesn't hurt to be polite.
@TedShifrin *condition : for a normal person
I know not of what you speak, @Nick.
@DanielF: I think I've given up trying to decipher (guess) this.
@TedShifrin In your proba exam, how much time is one supposed to spend on a question ? I wanna try it 'in real time', but I will (obviously) only do the questions which are on parts we have seen in class (e.g. not the ones on continuous probabilities etc)
16:17
They had three hours for the entire exam, @Hippa. Some students (including a few who got A's) left earlier.
@evinda so what is $p^k \mathbf{Z}_p$ is generated with?
There's actually a lot there on continuous stuff, @Hippa, but still a few good ones for you.
@TedShifrin Neither I of what you speak.
@TedShifrin Hm ok
@BalarkaSen Isn't it generated by $p^k$ ?
16:18
yes, so it's principal.
hence every ideal is principal
$\blacksquare$
Oh, @Nick, you linked it to my remark to @Hippa. No wonder I was confuzled.
@BalarkaSen Do we just look at the ideal $p^n \mathbb{Z}_p$ and not at $0$?
@TedShifrin Question 9 there is "See problem ??" what does ?? stand for ?
@DonLarynx Used Wolfram and only multiplied each of the expansions up to $x^10$, which worked. :)
Oh rats. I didn't typeset your version twice. :( I believe it's 12b.
16:22
@M.N.C.E. My version has a very nice closed-form.
I hope my bout of bad thoughts stop this week, because I am supposed to start studying next week. I have been trying to get out of the current round for a while already.
@evinda $(0)$ is clearly principal. if you don't see why, leave up algebraic number theory and study ring theory carefully first.
@TedShifrin I can do 1-6 (except 6d) 7-8 (not 8c) 9 (not 9c) 12-14 (not 14.b) . Am I right ?
@DanielFischer So far I didn't meet a known form for the series of the type $$\sum_{n=2}^{\infty} x^n \frac{\zeta(n)}{n!}$$ There would be useful to know such a form. However, there might be different ways of appraoching the series.
@TedShifrin Btw what's $\Phi$ in the tables at the end ?
16:25
That's the cumulative distribution function for the normal distribution. That's used all over the place to approximate general probability distributions (e.g., binomial).
@TedShifrin Anyhoo, since you're an educator, I was wondering if you could tell me the exams or competitions I can enter in next year. I'm finishing up high-school at the moment and I've sort of realized, I have nothing much to show for it. No real trophies, no good certificates... Any advice?
@Hippa: It would be used, for example, on 6d. Yes, in principle, your list is correct.
I'm confused, @Nick. First, are you in the US? Second, will you be in college next year?
@TedShifrin Ok. I'll probably (aha unexpected pun) do it after revising my classes on probabilities, I should send it in a few days.
@TedShifrin (1) No, and (2) I hope so.
16:28
@Hippa: How do I get a permalink link to a line of conversation? I figured it out ages ago, and now I've forgotten.
@Hippa: You don't really have to, you know.
Well, I don't know what's available where you are, @Nick. Ask someone who teaches at your college :)
@TedShifrin The arrow at the left of every message -> permalink ? Or do you need something else ?
Right, @Hippa. It puts me on a different page with the message highlighted. How do I get it in our conversation here? (I know I'm being dumb.)
@TedShifrin Ok, incase I fly down to the US?
So, obviously 0 is an principle ideal and $p^n\mathbb{Z}_p$ is generated by $p^n$. Therefore we conclude that $\mathbb{Z}_p$ is a principal ideal.
Can we justify it like that, @BalarkaSen ?
@Nick: This makes no sense. The main college competition here in the US is the Putnam exam. You can always find the past years' exam questions to work on.
16:30
@Nick Many years ago, they had AHSME and AIME in my school.
We used to have that when I was a high school student, @Jasper. I don't think it still exists here.
@TedShifrin Oh, that's the Putnam Questions I see on the main. Oh boy, those are difficult.
@Nick Are you looking for undergrad problems or high school problems?
@Nick Yes, they are difficult. And, @Hippa, I finally figured it out. Sorry to have bothered you.
@TedShifrin I don't think there is a way to get only the conversation between two users (is there ?) other than getting the page with all messages send by user ......, then sorting by newest
16:33
There is a way to link to a conversation, @Hippa. But that isn't what I was trying to do. I have to click below the permalink link :P If you do permalink and you have enough rep, you can demarcate an entire conversation.
@JasperLoy Um, at the moment I'd be benefited by highschool level but yes, both.
@TedShifrin Did you receive the email I sent you with my solution to the Basel problem? (or I'm ignored by you in chat)
@TedShifrin The question is, if I send it, will you correct it ? You might not have time for it, or might just not want to correct it, or ..........
@Nick: You might start with our high school math competition at our university. I helped write most of these exams over the years, but no longer. Here is the link for most past years' exams and answers. There are some great questions there, some too hard for me :P
@DanielFischer Could we justify like that the fact that $\mathbb{Z}_p$ is a PID:
Obviously 0 is an principle ideal and $p^n\mathbb{Z}_p$ is generated by $p^n$. Therefore we conclude that $\mathbb{Z}_p$ is a principal ideal.
?
16:35
@Chris'ssis: No, I didn't get it.
Sure, @Hippa, I'll be glad to look at it.
@TedShifrin I sent it to you some hours ago using [email protected]
@evinda You should be able to answer that yourself.
Sadly, I didn't get it yet, @Chris'ssis. I checked my spam folder here. I'll check on our server.
@DanielFischer I think that we can...
@TedShifrin OK. I only wanted to say that I sent it to you.
16:37
@Chris'ssis I guess that means you also have no idea so far? Pity, but thanks for thinking about it.
Well, @Chris'ssis, I would very much like to see it. I'm sad it hasn't shown up.
@Nick You can get the Berkeley Problems in Mathematics book if you want to do some challenging undergrad questions.
Last email I received was before midnight last night, @Chris'ssis (our time).
@Chris'ssis Try re-sending. Last time, my 1st mail wasn't received by @TedShifrin either.
Well, you put no title in it, @Hippa.
16:39
@TedShifrin Does that auto-qualify as spam ?
I think so.
Maybe Romanian mails were classified as spam
Duh I'm too mean
@DanielFischer Unfortunately, I don't know how to approach it at the moment, but future research may reveal some ways. Since $\displaystyle \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (-1)^{n+1} \frac{1}{n}$ is so celebre, also that series you showed me would be known if there were a closed-form.
@Jasper @Nick: The Berkeley problems are for entering graduate students, so they're based on a good deal of the undergraduate curriculum.
@Nick sounds like a sweet idea :D
16:41
@Chris'ssis @DanielF: So what happens if we put in the Taylor series for $\sin$? It is tempting to use the telescoping series for each of the higher-order terms, but non-absolute convergence suggests we can't just switch orders of summation. Right?
@TedShifrin Well, while researching such questions I might go beyond these barriers and check things numerically after switching the orders (in general). Then if things are OK, we can explain properly all our steps.
@TedShifrin This reminds me of a series by Ramanujan where I need a nice way to explain the order switching I applied there ...
@DanielFischer Still looking for this one? If so, I have an idea that I will explore.
oooh, @Mike will hate me. I inadvertently got a Naruto hat.
Yes, @Chris'ssis: Often, justifying engineering-style computations is non-obvious :)
hi @robjohn
@skullpatrol hey there
16:46
@robjohn I believe he is, yes.
@TedShifrin May I send you my email again?
of course, @chris'ssis ... I've got my mail open.
@TedShifrin OK
@evinda Sure.
Hahaha look at Asaf's retag here
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16:49
@DanielFischer We have the canonical function $\epsilon_p: \mathbb{Z} \to \mathbb{Z}_p, x \mapsto (\overline{x})_{k \in \mathbb{N}_0}=(\overline{x}, \overline{x}, \overline{x}, \dots )$.
The function $\epsilon_p: \mathbb{Z} \to \mathbb{Z}_p$ is an embedding. We interpret with it $\mathbb{Z}$ as a subset of $\mathbb{Z}_p$.

Proof:
Let $x \in \mathbb{Z}$ with $\epsilon_p(x)=(\overline{x})_k=0$, i.e. $x \equiv 0 \mod{p^{k+1}}$ for all $k \in \mathbb{N}_0$. The only integer number that is divisible by any high $p$-power is zero, so it holds $x=0$. Thus, $\epsilon_p$ is an embedding.
@BalarkaSen Nice :D
@TedShifrin Done. Maybe this time is better. :-)
Not here yet, @Chris'ssis.
@TedShifrin I sent it to you by using yahoo mail. Well, maybe it arrives soon in your mailbox. (hope so)
@TedShifrin Check your spam :D it might be there for obscure resons
@Nick: You looking at the link I gave you?
well, if it goes to the spam folder on our server, I can't get to it.
16:54
@Chris'ssis At worst, you can send it to me and I'll send it to Ted :) he seems to receive mine
Wait about 5 min for email.
@robjohn Can you compute the series?
@Chris'ssis I am working on it...
@Hippalectryon let me check something about Bessel function ...
@Hippalectryon Hope he'll receive it. By the way, I sent to him the short version of the proof I wanna add to my book, and maybe to publish it. When publishing things, all must be explained and all the details must be provided.

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