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8:00 PM
@BalarkaSen You can change your username, (s)he did.
 
I am going to sleep. I hope to find divine guidance in my dreams.
 
Oh, do you think it's actually in reference to you, @DanielFischer?
 
Does anyone know why the reverse Fatou's Lemma requires the sequence of functions to be dominated?
 
@MikeMiller I have the suspicion, but who knows?
 
8:02 PM
And those kind of things are not worth caring about.
 
@JohnDoe Otherwise, the result wouldn't necessarily hold, consider $$f_n(x) = \begin{cases} 1 &, n < x < 2n\\ 0 &, x \leqslant n \lor x \geqslant 2n.\end{cases}$$
 
@Lucian Hello.
 
@robjohn @DanielFischer @Hippalectryon wait, that one is proving to be trivial by a simple substitution ... $$\frac{1}{1+x}\mapsto x$$
 
@DanielFischer Yeah I see, thanks.
 
@BalarkaSen: Hello.
@Behaviour: Why? What have I done? :-)
 
8:08 PM
LEL
 
Behaviour is a genius
 
The link's supposed to open up the user page of the user who clicks on it @Lucian
 
@BalarkaSen: LOL :-)
 
I recognize this! It's a human hand!
Maybe I should write a paper about this amazing discovery.
Hey Robert is trying to get the Red Baron hat
 
Upvote quick
 
8:15 PM
@Studentmath: Only 9/27 got the first problem right (plus 2 more made small errors). Everyone else overcounted drastically (as did I one time thinking about it) :)
hi @Hippa @DanielF @Chris'ssis
 
@TedShifrin hi
 
Oh, @Hippa, you wanted the exam, too ...
 
@TedShifrin Hi
 
@TedShifrin I suppose you know a few applications of linear algebra outside of math.
 
8:16 PM
Wait. The first one?
Very first one @Ted?
 
Yes, @Studentmath ... sigh. Counting is too ****ing hard.
 
That's depressing
 
@robjohn If I'm not wrong $$\int_0^\infty\frac{\log(x+1)^3}{2x^2+3x+1}\mathrm{d}x$$ is trivial by the same substitution as above.
 
Checked the second one yet?
 
Yes, it went much better, but still people missed it ... I did that exactly problem in class because of a question that a student raised.
You mean like quantum physics, @Mike?
 
8:20 PM
Like just about anything, @Ted. I'm pretty ignorant about it. I want to know a bunch of examples for when I TA linear algebra next quarter.
 
And #3a,b were exactly on my exam 1 (with answers posted), and people still missed it, @Studentmath. Only three or four understood why the answer to b) was irrelevant to c). :(
Stoichiometry is a good one, @Mike.
Game theory is full of it. Linear programming is used all over business.
 
I'm posting a big list question sometime soon about this. I hope you'll say something there.
 
Game theory shows up more in econ and poly sci than in math, btw.
You putting it on the education site?
Half of econometrics and statistics is linear algebra, @Mike.
 
I was going to put it on MSE, because the question is applicable outside of education.
 
He is just trying to get a Thirty minutes or less hat
 
8:22 PM
No. I'm trying to get a hat while also getting a question I want answered, with hopefully high-quality answers.
 
You're way too obsessed with hats. You really are a child :D
 
$$\int_0^\infty\frac{ \log^3(x+1) }{ 2x^2+3x+1} \mathrm{d}x = 6\operatorname{Li}_4\left(\frac{1}{2}\right)$$
 
I'm on break, @Ted, I'm allowed to be. Will you post something when the time comes?
 
I think the people that run this site must be catering to the under-15 crowd.
If I'm over my disconsolation after grading, @Mike ... Yes, I know I made up a word.
 
@TedShifrin Hi Ted. How are you doing?
 
8:24 PM
At the moment, looking forward to only one semester more of giving/grading exams, @Chris'ssis. So disheartening to work so hard and have students do so badly :(
 
Good luck getting over that, @Ted.
 
@DanielFischer Do you know what the difference is for a function in to be $L^{1}$ or $\mathcal{L}^{1}$ in measure theory?
 
@TedShifrin In which year did you have the best students? Or maybe you have in mind a certain period of time expressed in years when you had the best students.
 
What do you mean, @JohnDoe? Two different L's?
 
'Show that the quotient space of a finite collection of disjoint $2$-simplices obtained by identifying pairs of edges is always a surface locally homeomorphic to $\Bbb{R}^2$'
How does one prove this, other than 'it's obvious'?
 
8:25 PM
I have no idea, @Chris'ssis. I've had some spectacular students throughout my career, including when I was a grad student. Still have some spectacular ones this year.
 
@Ted Is it just notation conventions I mean or is there an actual difference?
 
@JohnDoe If both fonts are used, usually one refers to the space of functions, and the other to the space of equivalence classes modulo "equal almost everywhere".
 
I'm writing 2-3 times the number of letters for people for grad school this year, @Chris'ssis. Probably 4-5 not even for math.
Are you finding those in different books, @JohnDoe?
heya @robjohn!
 
@TedShifrin I see.
 
Someone should point Ted to Behaviour's comment.
 
8:27 PM
@Hippa: T'as reçu l'email?
 
@robjohn $$\int_0^\infty\frac{ \log^3(x+1) }{ 2x^2+3x+1} \mathrm{d}x = 6\operatorname{Li}_4\left(\frac{1}{2}\right)$$ and this one can be generalized for $n$ power.
 
@DanielF: I always thought those were the same :P
 
@TedShifrin Just online sources, like wikipedias statement of Vitali's Convergence Theorem or Reverse fatous lemma.
 
@TedShifrin I think he means one is considered without modding out by equivalence (so that it's not a normed space).
 
Right, @MikeMiller.
 
8:28 PM
Well, @JohnDoe, on matters real analysis I always defer to @DanielF. :) I've never in my entire life seen/made a distinction.
 
Huy
@MikeMiller: I'm done. I hope I didn't make any major mistakes.
 
OK. How's your disconsolation [sic] over grading, @Ted?
 
@Hippalectryon
 
As you see, I'm goofing off here for a while, @Mike ... made it through the first 3 problems only so far.
 
Would you like to goof off on applications of linear algebra? :P If so, I'm posting the question.
 
8:30 PM
My Multivariable Math kiddies did worse than I would have liked, but for the most part the A students kept their A's. But the low end did appallingly ...
 
@Mike What do you mean by one is considered by modding out by equivalence?
 
@skullpatrol Really? Great coincidence! I feel like I've fallen prey to a fixed mindset. U_U
 
@JohnDoe: So both those had $\mathcal L$. I think it's only a typesetting issue. Some books use $L$, some use $\mathcal L$. I've honestly never noticed a distinction, but, as I said, I defer to @DanielF.
 
@Huy It's up.
If anyone has knowledge of particular applications of linear algebra outside of math, I'd like to see you write an answer here.
I think @Behaviour said he knew something about compressed sensing.
 
@Mike: Yes, compressed sensing is full of wavelets and linear algebra. So is Google page-rank.
 
Huy
8:33 PM
@MikeMiller: I posted some.
 
Oh, looks like Huy already posted about compressed sensing.
 
@KhallilBenyattou did you watch the prof?
 
(Unless image compression is distinct from compressed sensing.)
 
Fix the broken TeX in the question.
And it may be a bit different, but I'll have to read existing answers first.
 
I hope you'll say something about quantum physics, @Ted.
 
8:34 PM
@Ted Yeah that's the kind of answer I like to hear (not meant in a sarcastic way) sometimes refreshing to hear "just ignore that it doesn't matter" in maths.
 
Done, @Behaviour. Hopefully you can say something in a timely fashion.
 
Huy
@MikeMiller: I thought of QM too, but I didn't think your students would get any use of that.
 
I haven't seen it yet, but I will @skullpatrol!
 
Don't put so much pressure, it's 30 minutes, not 30 seconds. :)
 
I don't get the reference, @Behaviour.
 
8:34 PM
WEll, @Mike, quantum physics is all Hilbert space theory. Isn't that linear algebra, after all?
 
Well, 30 minutes is timely. :)
 
1 hour ago, by Behaviour
Just stopping by to say this user is awesome. Great to have folks like this around.
 
@KhallilBenyattou What, do you disagree?
 
@Mike: Are you offering remuneration for hurried answers?
@behaviour: I thank you for the flattery, but to what do I owe that honor ... oops, honour?
 
grumph.
 
8:35 PM
Well, @Ted, one can always continue to edit their answer into a better state; but I don't think it takes 30 minutes to write a nice answer... :)
 
LOL
 
PS - I just got Naruto. Back to #1.
 
Nope, it's just that robjohn mentioned something to do with it being humorous and I didn't understand what he meant, @Behaviour.
1 hour ago, by robjohn
@Behaviour very humorous... I bet everyone will agree.
 
@JohnDoe In these cases, there's only one font used. Then it's probably the usual Lebesgue space of equivalence classes of functions, since the space where the a.e. $0$ functions aren't modded out is of less interest. If two distinct fonts are used in the same source, then they typically denote different spaces, but it's not uniform which font is used for which.
 
I guess I'm being picked on abstrusely ...
 
8:36 PM
LOL
 
@TedShifrin No, his respect for the user he linked is very real.
 
Honestly, @DanielF, I can't recall any time that I've noticed people distinguishing it. Very interesting.
 
Why is everyone so suspicious of my motives, can't I say something nice for once? After 12000+ downvotes...
 
@DanielFischer Kewl thanks.
 
LOL, I dunno, @Behaviour. You and I haven't interacted much, so I have no earthly (or unearthly) idea what occasioned this.
 
8:37 PM
No @Behaviour.
 
May as well say something nice to everyone at once, @Behaviour
5
 
LOL @Ted still doesn't get it.
 
We presume @Behaviour is being totally sarcastic ...
 
LEL
told you
 
Don't LOL at your elders.
 
8:38 PM
shrug
 
I LELed @Mike
 
I'm still fairly confused, but I'll take it, @Behaviour. Was there any reason for the comment in particular?
I don't feel like I've been doing anything special so I'm guessing it was a sarcastic comment.
 
Huy
@MikeMiller: The title "out of math" kinda kills my ODEs. xD
 
Oh, ok, @Khallil ... Now I get it. He's rigged it so that the comment links each of us to ourselves.
 
LIL
 
8:38 PM
I think one can motivate ODEs pretty well, @Huy.
 
Huy
@MikeMiller: Well, yeah, if you consider physics to be out of maths.
 
@Khallil you've been fooled.
 
Hahahahaha! Nice one, @Behaviour! I'll star it just because it's pretty darn smart!
 
You can go ahead and star that one, @Khallil.
 
@KhallilBenyattou If you scroll a few pace back, you'll see I too thought it was sarcastic.
 
8:39 PM
After that April Fool's prank, I'll go back to my curmudgeonly grading.
 
And was very angry.
 
@TedShifrin No quantum physics? Tragic...
 
Let more applied-type people answer for you, @Mike.
All you want from me is a hat, and I'm rebelling.
 
Huy
@MikeMiller: I can write something about QM later or tomorrow, if you like. But I'm rather tired right now.
 
Serves you well @BalarkaSen Don't be so negative. ;-)
 
8:40 PM
I told you Google page-rank, too.
 
@TedShifrin oui merci
 
@Huy: You're way too young to be so tired :)
 
Just saw it, @Balarka!
Hahahahaha! We were all duped. ^_^
 
@TedShifrin What are exactly 4600/6600 ?
 
Huy
@TedShifrin: I think I'm getting ill. I wore too few clothes today and it was very cold and raining too.
 
8:41 PM
@robjohn I think I'll send this version to some students I usually talk to $$\int_0^\infty\frac{ \log^{2015}(x+1) }{ 2x^2+3x+1} \mathrm{d}x$$ and the well-known $$\text{Happy New Year 2015!!!}$$
 
That's our junior/senior level probability course, @Hippa.
 
Oh ok
 
oh, I'm sorry, @Huy. Drink lots of hot tea with lemon.
 
@Behaviour is so darn genius.
He fooled every one of us.
 
Huy
@TedShifrin: I don't have any lemon. I have ginger. And peppermint tea.
 
8:42 PM
Well, only if you didn't hover over the link, @BalarkaSen
 
@Hippa: The 6600 is for grad students (or Honors students); the 4600 is for undergrads. I had only Honors student and one Forestry grad student.
 
I didn't @Mike, I confess it.
I thought it must be some link to a great MSE user or something like that
 
@Mike, after this I shall always hover before I click.
Or I just won't bother looking at links at all.
 
I'm glad I could teach you something for once, @Ted
 
No need to be snide, @Mike. You already know a bunch of stuff I have no idea about.
 
8:43 PM
And robjohn's comment made me feel more that it is sarcastic.
:P
 
I wasn't being snide, @Ted, I was just kidding with you.
 
Maybe I should start martinis early for my grading. But I think I'm going out to dinner with a physics friend.
 
Only one martini before dinner, @Ted
It's only healthy
 
Huy
@TedShifrin: Is this a common phenomenon? I always have the urge to drink when correcting exams, too.
 
LOL ... I think I'm encouraging alcoholism, @Huy :P I never used to when I was your age.
 
8:47 PM
@Hippalectryon
 
@BalarkaSen
 
@Hippalectryon you still want an answer to your origami question?
 
Huy
@TedShifrin: I don't drink a lot. For a certain time period, I drank a bottle of beer every evening, just because I felt like I needed it. But then I decided to stop. So now it's just a beer every once in a while when out with friends again. But there is an urge when correcting exams. :(
 
@Hippa: Let me know when you have answers for me :)
 
@BalarkaSen I want an answer to all my unanswered questions I guess :) let me check
@TedShifrin Ok, not today though
 
8:48 PM
Je comprends tout à fait, @Huy.
 
@Huy Is that depressing to correct exams? :-)
 
Huy
@TedShifrin: My french has become a lot worse since I finished high school.
 
@BalarkaSen Which one ?
 
Solt'ich etwas auf deutsch sagen?
 
Huy
@Chris'ssis: Depends. Most of my high schoolers are not very motivated to learn maths which makes it frustrating sometimes. But there are also bright moments.
 
8:49 PM
the one about folding towels @Hippa
i don't want to link it -- i want the naruto hat
 
Sure I want an answer :D
 
Huy
@TedShifrin: Yes, I prefer German.
 
@Ted that's really depressing.
 
OK, @Hippa. I am going to think about it then.
 
Thanks
 
8:50 PM
Which this time, @Studentmath?
 
Regarding the second question - even I recalled it from the previous tests
 
@MikeMiller My answer was 5th. :)
 
Not the second, @studentmath, but the third ...
 
Huy
I just reached a rep of 2k! A small step for me, a giant leap for mankind!
 
LOL ... for mankind? really? :D
 
8:52 PM
Yes, I meant the third, with the void
 
Yup, @Studentmath, and I TeXed up solutions to all the hour exams. Sigh.
 
@robjohn I also wonder if it were nice to add the requirement "without pen and paper".
 
OK, I'm done whining. I'm out of here.
 
I like your answer, @Behaviour.
I hope it's asking for 5 answers and not 5 answers from distinct users, though.
 
sigh Laters Prof. @Ted, at least 4 people read and remembed them
 
8:55 PM
2 hours ago, by Behaviour
Just stopping by to say this user is awesome. Great to have folks like this around.
@teadawg1337
 
@TedShifrin Hey Ted... I was off helping someone get ready for a fridge delivery, then the incoming fridge was damaged. So we put everything back and try again.
 
I'm not that great, I just do what I can to help out...
 
@Chris'ssis: as I said, I had not worked on that integral, but I was simply saying that I would try integrating the function with a higher power around a keyhole integral. That often produces good results.
 
See @BalarkaSen that's a good way to react.
 
@robjohn neither do I. That integral you showed me I saw it for the first time in that moment you posted it. OK.
 
9:00 PM
@quid Hrm
 
Okay I will shut up.
 
@BalarkaSen Why did he say that ??
 
My reaction was pretty violent :P
I thought it was super-sarcastic.
 
@Behaviour
 
@Hippa I guess he really likes you
 
9:02 PM
This is what it links to: math.stackexchange.com/users/current
 
As well as 9 staring people
 
LEL yes @teadawg1337
 
But I haven't done anything :/
 
@Hippalectryon read the URL or the preceding conversation
 
@quid Ah I see xD
 
9:05 PM
sigh only 2 upvotes to my super-long carefully written answer
 
On a completely unrelated note, I just got back from the doctor. I have a sinus infection!!!! Yaaaay!!!!
 
@BalarkaSen Only two have already finished reading it.
 
I prefer cosinus infections
 
@Hippalectryon haha
the dual of a sinus infection
 
That one was too easy
 
9:06 PM
@Hippalectryon Should have been inflections.
 
@DanielFischer It's not THAT long
 
@Balarka Link it, I'll judge its length for people too lazy to read
 
You only have two alts, @BalarkaSen?
 
9:09 PM
@MikeMiller This just made my day
 
alts?
 
Huy
Are there any "mathematical" movies suited for high schoolers you could recommend? Something like Good Will Hunting, A Beautiful Mind, etc. ? @DanielFischer @MikeMiller
 
@Huy, Fermat's Room :P
 
Proof, maybe?
 
9:15 PM
@MikeMiller Do you remember my group theoretic galois theory nonsense?
 
I remember that it was nonsense.
 
@Huy Casablanca, To Have and Have Not. Not exactly math movies, but I can recommend them.
 
I think I can do this in covering spaces @Mike
 
You can do anything if you believe, @BalarkaSen
@DanielFischer On that track, Gattaca is great.
 
Deck transformation groups are our Galois groups
Question is, whether there is right-exactness, as opposed to groups
I guess there is.
 
9:18 PM
Have you checked any examples?
 
Nope.
 
Then stop guessing and check some.
 
It's trivially true for Riemann surfaces over P^1
 
Huy
@MikeMiller: I have a rather cool (and well-known to those who know it) example of a phenomenon of quantum mechanics (or rather quantum information theory) we did in our third semester , but I'm not sure if it's still in the scope. Do you want me to write it up anyways?
 
As if X is an RS over P^1 then C(X) is galois over C(z) with galois group = deck transformation group of X \to P^1
 
9:19 PM
I'd love it, @Huy
@BalarkaSen We're talking about covering spaces. There is no surface that covers $S^2$, and there is no orientable surface that $S^2$ covers.
 
Huy
@MikeMiller: I'll quickly go over my notes to see whether it contains anything that they would never understand. You know, apart from the result.
 
Does anyone know how can I find a dense subset of $\Bbb{R^3}$ such that $4$ are not coplanar?
 
@MikeMiller Branched galois covers.
Just chuck out the branched locus of X
 
You shouldn't talk about covering spaces if you're not... well... talking about covering spaces
 
well consider galois covers of S^1
 
9:21 PM
@MikeMiller Your hat is really nice
 
So the real line or other copies of $S^1$, @BalarkaSen?
 
yes
 
I would be unsurprised if whatever you're thinking about was true there, those are really nice cases.
 
ok, tell me some unnice case
 
How about $\Sigma_3 \to \Sigma_2$? Those have messy fundamental groups.
($\Sigma_g$ is the surface of genus $g$.)
 
9:23 PM
wat
there is such a covering map? oh wait i guess there is
 
:P
Look at $\Sigma_3$ as three donuts squashed together; it's a covering map of order 2. The nontrivial deck transformation is rotating it around the center of the middle donut.
 
Ugh... When will my nose stop being runny....
 
@MikeMiller blank stare
 
@BalarkaSen Go buy some donuts and rotate them.
 
i guess i need to study deck transformation groups first
 
9:26 PM
Not really, you're just quotienting out by that map.
 
i only know le definition
 
Look at page 73 on Hatcher ch. 1. The picture and discussion there might help you understand what I refer to.
 
@MikeMiller that's a map from $\Sigma_3$ onto the torus, right?
 
No.
 
Hatcher sucks @Mike
 
9:27 PM
So do you, @BalarkaSen, so you're in good company.
 
I don't wanna study a book that begins with CW complexes in chapter 0.
Munkres is better
 
For the basics, yes.
Now look at the picture. I'm getting lunch.
 
I'll abstract nonsense my group theoretic galois theory for arbitrary categories rather than that I guess and then apply it to category of topological spaces.
waits for smack
OK that picture is nice @Mike
Totally makes sense.
 
Hello!!! Can someone help me at NP-complete problems??
 
OK so consider the bunch of galois covers $\Sigma_{11} \to \Sigma_3 \to \Sigma_2$
 
9:34 PM
@BalarkaSen No compact surface covers $\Sigma_1$ other than itself.
 
I know
only galois covers are R \times R, S^1 \times R and itself
 
Just checkin'.
(You can generalize that picture to get lots of good examples).
I'm not looking at the chat for a bit.
 
OK wait I still don't see how you squash three donuts onto a double torus
Oh OK a two fold symmetry does the trick @Mike
Now we want to see if there is a SES $1 \to Aut(\Sigma_{11}, \Sigma_3) \to Aut(\Sigma_{11}, \Sigma_2) \to Aut(\Sigma_3, \Sigma_2) \to 1$
I'd be surprised. I don't think, or wait.
Oh yeah there is a SES $1 \to \Bbb Z_5 \to \Bbb Z_{10} \to \Bbb Z_2 \to 1$!
ok, i gotta go sleep. i'm out.
 
9:57 PM
@r9m a simple cute question $$\int_0^\infty\frac{ \log^{2015}(x+1) }{ 2x^2+3x+1} \mathrm{d}x$$ :-)
 
The denominator factorises to $(2x+1)(x+1)$, and I'm guessing with a substitution of $\log(x+1) = u$ something will work, @Chris'ssis?
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis :)
I just woke up ! (In the middle of night .. 3:30am here) @Khallil good Morning ;)
 
@r9m I wanna make up a collection with those deceiving questions like the one above. One may think it's hard, but it's straightforward.
 
Morning, @r9m! ^_^
 

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