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05:01
I acknowledge that JH is somewhat high-falutin here
@anon OK. I have to prove (1) though.
which part, that it refines to a comp series or that the resulting factors will be cyclic?
@anon That the factors will be cyclic.
Don't tell me! =D
@Mike Agreed.
say X and Y are consecutive terms in the subnormal series so Y/X is abelian
then refine and take the interval [X,Y] modulo X and obtain the comp series of Y/X, an ab group...
@anon Suppose I know $G_{i+1}/G_i$ is abelian. How would you show $G_{i+1}N/G_iN$ is abelian? I proved it, but I was curious about your approach?
@anon Abelian groups have cyclic factors.
I have proven the only simple abelian groups are those cyclic of prime order.
05:16
@PedroTamaroff apply $N\triangleleft G\Rightarrow [AN,BN]\subseteq[A,B]N$ with $A,B=G_{i+1}$
@anon Yes, I suspected so. =)
oh, you did?
I suspected you'd use commutators like that.
(:
wwjd wwad
He's realized that you're a...
communist
05:18
o:
commutist?
@anon what's that?
google wwjd
HA! Melikes.
snif I lost the page where I proved abelian simple groups are cyclic with prime order.
just reinvent it
pick a nontrivial element. it can't generate a proper subgroup so the whole group is cyclic. now it's easy.
05:23
Dude, I remember my proof.
I usually don't forget proofs I write.
Oh, found it.
@anon Heh, my proof was different.
Would you like me to write it down? It's not really long.
sure
Well, first I proved the group must be finite.
If it is infinite and cyclic it is $\bf Z$ which is not simple.
If it is infinite and not cyclic, pick as you did $x\neq 1 $ so that $1\subsetneq \langle x\rangle \subsetneq G$.
Thus, $G$ is finite.
Now, assume $G$ has composite order.
Say $|G|=pn$, $p$ prime and $n>1$.
Then $H=\{g:g^p=1\}$ is nontrivial by Cauchy's theorem.
And it is a subgroup since $G$ is abelian.
not a fan of this proof
I know, I know.
It is too long-winded.
@anon I do know the subgroups like $H=\{g:g^p=1\}$ play an important role in the fundamental theorem of finitely generated abelian groups, yes?
@anon I've got an exact sequence of abelian groups
$0 \rightarrow G \rightarrow \cdot \rightarrow G^n \rightarrow 0$
can anything fit in the center but the obvious?
where $G^n$ is the direct sum of $n$ copies of $G$
05:39
by the obvious I suppose you mean $G^{n+1}$. answer = yes.
assumed so. example?
looking up symbol
symbol? this is gonna be a terrible group innit
for instance, $0\to C_n\to C_n\wr C_n\to C_n^n\to 0$
sorry
05:41
was thinking of \rtimes but realized I was thinking of a wreath product which has its own symbol
lemme fiddle with that
damned wreath products
($C_n$ acts on $C_n^n$ by cyclically permuting the coordinates, so we can form the semidirect product $C_n^n\rtimes C_n$, which is the wreath product $C_n\wr C_n$)
well, by sequence of abgrps I suppose you want the middle term to be abelian, which the wreath product ain't
yase
alright, then extend $C_2\to C_4$ to make $C_2\to C_2^{n-1}\times C_4\to C_2^n$
yeah, I shoulda seen that. thanks
05:49
an extension of the fact that both $C_2\times C_2$ and $C_4$ fit inside $C_2\to \bullet\to C_2$
06:00
@anon ouch I have to prove three things are equivalent to $G$ finite being solvable.
mhmmm chews the bunny's ear
@PedroTamaroff mmkay
(i) has subnormal series with cyclic factors (ii) every composition factor has prime order (iii) has subnormal series with abelian factors and each element of the series normal in $G$.
I have a few hints though.
Just sharing for the moment. =D
I'm chewing on @PedroTamaroff 's bunny ear and he doesn't notice ^^
hmm, never heard of (iii) before. doesn't even feel true.
daww
06:03
@usukidoll files restraining order
@anon really?
employer is trying to send me checks without including the apartment number. dafuq
06:39
@Pedro Irony zone?
?
Oh, sure.
Need the link?
the irony zone is a deep, dark secret, so you should bookmark it forever
What secret did I just miss?
06:45
Mike likes gallinas.
I think it is time for me to delete my account, lol.
never again
donate your account to a library
I really wish they made deleting accounts easier, you still have to send them an email.
And then sometimes they will ask you to reconsider.
I wish I strike lottery. I want to be a millionaire.
@Mike I once got banned because of Dre.
@Pedro Who would ban Dre?
06:52
Nah.
There was some user named Dre.
And I quoted the song.
Guys, I really hate this high rep user sooooooo much.
I would ban Eminem though
But I can't tell here, lol.
He sucks
@Jasper Is it me?
I think I asked "Do motherf***rs act like they forgot about you?"
06:53
@Mike No, I love you Mike.
@JasperLoy Tell, don't be a wuss.
@Pedro You're missing an e
@Jasper There's a low-rep user I hate
@PedroTamaroff Maybe you can guess...
@Mike Nah, wuss is fine.
@Mike And why do you hate him?
06:55
@Jasper Ah, but if I said that it would reveal who it was.
OK, let me give you guys a hint, this user has over 100k, I won't say more...
Lol, that's 10 people
I can guess
Yeah, I think Pedro will know, since he has been here longer and knows past events.
I don't think Mike will know...
@Jasper Either the name has an accent or it has one of the most uncommon letters in English.
It's one of those two. :P
Oh, I guess that would be 3.
So let me say why I hate this user...
06:58
Hehe, I know who it is.
This user provides long answers that are not illuminating.
This user has poor writing skills, misusing formatting and punctuation.
This user leaves silly comments all over the place.
@Pedro Was I right?
The only reason why this user has 100k is that this user spends all of time on the internet.
@Mike No uncommon accents.
@Pedro I'll ask in the irony zone
06:59
And the users are fooled by the long answers which appear to be very good.
Suppose $u$ is harmonic, i.e. $\Delta u=0$. Is there any good way to show that $u(x/\lvert x\rvert^2)/\lvert x\rvert^{n-2}$ is also harmonic?
$n$ is?
The dimension.
Namely, $u\colon\mathbb R^n\to\mathbb R$
So, @pedro, was @mike right in his guess?
07:05
Nah.
:(
I don't like brute force calculating.
Neither do I, but sometimes it is needed.
The danger with doing too much theory is that one sometimes forgets how to calculate simple things.
However, I have no idea on variable substitution like this: $x=rx_0$, where $r>0,x_0\in S^{n-1}$.
Locally, $\mathbb R^n\approx\mathbb R_{>0}\times S^{n-1}$.
I'm off to sleep.
07:10
Lame
Night @Pedro
08:12
@FrankScience Use polar representation of $\Delta$
@Mike Tell me that's not me.
08:59
ahahhah just saw the average scores for the latest homework
5 out of 10 XD
 
2 hours later…
10:33
Hi @DanielFischer
Hi @Complexanalysis
@DanielFischer am trying to grasp general definition of derivative in Normed spaces . Any idea what motivates the definition .
The definition goes like this
Like in $\mathbb{R}^n$, the idea is approximability by a linear map.
the definition : $f : X \to Y $ is a map from $X$ to $Y$ , Banach spaces . $f$ is called differentiable at say $x \ in X$ if there is a linear map $Df(x) : X \to Y$ and also a continuous map $\phi : V_0(X) \to Y$ with $\phi(0)=0$ , so that $$f(x+h)= f(x)+ Df(x)[h] +||h|| \phi(h)$$ for all $h \in V$ @robjohn i don't see the necessity of introducing the function $\phi$ .
@Complexanalysis One could also say ... such that $$\lim_{h\to 0} \frac{\lVert f(x+h)-f(x)-Df(x)[h]\rVert}{\lVert h\rVert} = 0,$$ but occasionally it's useful to have a name for the difference.
10:48
@DanielFischer But they aren't equivalent , are they ? the definition i posted will give your definition , but i don't see why would your definition give back the one i am referring to.
@Complexanalysis $$\phi(h) = \frac{1}{\lVert h\rVert}\left(f(x+h)-f(x)-Df(x)[h]\right)$$ for $h\neq 0$.
It's really just the question of whether you give a name to that or not.
@DanielFischer Okay . seems to be understood .
11:18
@DanielFischer Is it true that if $$||T(x)|| \ge c||x|| , c \ge 0$$ then $T$ is an injective operator ? can you give me a hint ?
@Complexanalysis Assuming $T$ is linear, you have $T\text{ injective} \iff \ker T = \{0\}$. What does the inequality tell you about $\ker T$?
(note, $c = 0$ tells you nothing)
@DanielFischer ahh , got it i guess . the inequality says that only for $$x \in X:||x||=0$$ is possibly $T(x)=0$ , since $T$ is linear and also using the norm property only if $x=0$, $T(x)=0$ , Hence $Kern(T)=0$
Right, for $c > 0$, it tells you that.
@DanielFischer What about the converse , i don't think converse holds.
can be seen just by taking $T(x)=2x$
I want to find a biholomorphic map between $D(0,1)-(0, 1)$ and the upper half plane.

The problem is what to do with $0$. Any hint ?
11:28
@Complexanalysis That gives you $\lVert Tx\rVert = 2\lVert x\rVert$. However, indeed in general for an injective $T$ you don't have an estimate $\lVert Tx\rVert \geqslant c\lVert x\rVert$.
@WLOG It must be $D(0,1) - [0,1)$, since $D(0,1) - (0,1)$ is not an open set.
@DanielFischer should have been $1/2$ instead of 2 .
@Complexanalysis Still, that gives you $c = \frac12$.
@Complexanalysis $$(x_1,x_2,x_3,\dotsc) \mapsto (x_1,x_2/2,x_3/3,\dotsc)$$
@DanielFischer Ah , then counterexample ?
@DanielFischer: I have an exercise from my exam, I write it:
@Complexanalysis see above, on any $\ell^p$ space.
11:32
@DanielFischer Thank you :)
To find a biholomorphic map between $ z = re^{it} | |z|<1 and 0<t< \frac{\pi}{4} $ and the upper half plane.
This is the text
@DanielFischer: So there is an error ?
@WLOG Yes, you need something open, so $0$ must be excluded, $0 < \lvert z\rvert < 1$ and $0 < t < \frac{\pi}{4}$.
so the professor did a mistake :D
So i have to show that there exists no $c$ such that $$\Right paren(\sum {x_1}^2+{x_2/2}^2+....\left) \ge c . \right(\sum_{i=1}^{\infty}x_i^p \left) $$ @DanielFischer
@Complexanalysis You should take the same $p$ on the left as on the right, that makes things simpler.
And to show that no such $c$ exists, use the "standard unit vectors".
11:41
@DanielFischer How do i get the parenthesis , \right( ) isn't it right ?
Ok
Hello, all. Is there a nice way of proving that if the set $E\in V$ is linearly independent and $|E|=dim(V)$, then $E$ spans the vector space $V$?
\left( ... \right)
@DanielFischer Ok , that works .
@Alyosha It's still false for infinite-dimensional spaces. For finite-dimensional spaces, it's now true.
@DanielFischer indeed, but let's assume $n$ is finite here.
I'm probably being stupid, but I can't come up with a proof.
11:46
What's the definition of $\dim V$ that you use? @Alyosha
@Alyosha Suppose $\operatorname{span} E \neq V$. Take $v \in V\setminus \operatorname{span} E$. Then $E\cup \{v\}$ is linearly independent.
@SamiBenRomdhane The minimum of all the cardinalities of the sets than span $V$.
@Alyosha To see that that is a contradiction, you need to show that the minimum cardinality of spanning sets is the maximum cardinality of linearly independent sets.
So with that definition of dimension, I suggest something else.
@DanielFischer it looks that $c\to 0$
@Complexanalysis $c$ is supposed to be constant, so $c\to 0$ means $c = 0$.
@Alyosha Take a spanning set $S$ with $\lvert S\rvert = \dim V$.
11:51
Which, by definition, is the minimum-cardinality one.
And then express all other spanning sets in terms of $S$ to show that they are only l.i. if $|S|=\dim V$?
@RamanaVenkata I see that Daniel Fischer has taken care of this.
@Complexanalysis and this, too.
@DanielFischer: thanks for taking care of these. :-)
@robjohn Hi
:-)
@Complexanalysis hey there
@robjohn any improvement between [1, 16/15 ] ?
@robjohn What did I take care of?
11:56
@Complexanalysis No. I haven't worked on it much, but estimates are not easy in that range, even though the functions are farther apart there.
@DanielFischer RamanaVenkata's and ComplexAnalysis's questions that were pinged to me
@robjohn I didn't even see RamanaVenkata's question until now.
@DanielFischer I have to show that $$\lim_{k\to \infty }\frac {\sum_{i=1}^k (\frac {x_k}{k})^p}{\sum_{i=1}^k (x_i)^p} =0$$right ?
@Complexanalysis No, that's much more than you have to show. Let $e_n$ denote the $n$-th standard unit vector. What is $\lVert Te_n\rVert$?
@DanielFischer $1/n^p$
@Complexanalysis Do you mean $x_k$ in the numerator?
12:07
@Complexanalysis You forgot to take the $p$-th root.
@DanielFischer ya so , $1/n$
@robjohn yup
So for every $n$, you have a vector with $\lVert Te_n\rVert = \frac{1}{n}\lVert e_n\rVert$.
@DanielFischer got it
@DanielFischer Merci .
@Complexanalysis De rien.
12:37
@robjohn. Help me out.
@BalarkaSen with what?
@robjohn On second though, I think I don't need help. Nevermind. =)
I just derived it.
@BalarkaSen okay
@robjohn This is unrelated to the previous question. Is it possible to prove that $$\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} S_k^n \frac{z^n}{(n-1)!} = 6\log^3(1-z)/(1-z)$$?
Where $S_m^n$ is Stirling number of the first kind
I meant $$\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} S_4^n \frac{z^n}{(n-1)!} = 6\log^3(1-z)/(1-z)$$
12:54
@Mike Note that $\text{Ext}_{\mathbb Z}^1(A,A^n)=\prod_{i=1}^n\text{Ext}_{\mathbb Z}^1(A,A).$ So there exists a nontrivial choice if and only if $A$ has a nontrivial extension by itself: $0\to A\to X\to A\to 0$. This may offer insight behind anon's example $A=\mathbb Z/2\mathbb Z$ as well as provide a source of other examples.
@BalarkaSen Why do you use a different fraction bar on each side of your equation?
Being hasty. Lotta work.
@BalarkaSen signed or unsigned Stirling numbers?
@robjohn Unsigned, yes.
13:03
@BalarkaSen and you need a $-6$ rather than a $6$
@robjohn Right.
Typos.
Are you checking numerically first?
@BalarkaSen Looking at the series, they don''t look the same.
@robjohn Oh, okay. Any idea how to prove it?
@BalarkaSen How to prove what? The sum on the left is not the same as the function on the right
$$\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} S_4^n \frac{z^n}{(n-1)!} = -6\frac{\log^3(1-z)}{1-z}$$
Okay now?
13:13
@BalarkaSen No, I mean the coefficients are not close. The series on the left is like $z^4/6$ and on the right is like $6z^3$
I'll look into it a bit later. I might have copied wrong from the notebook. Okay, no time now, I'll have to go.
13:42
Heya rob
@N3buchadnezzar hey there
14:14
@robjohn Do you know how to get an arc arrow in latex?
$X \stackrel{T}{\longrightarrow} Y$
14:39
Hey everyone! Long time no see. May I ask to have a look at this question of mine: math.stackexchange.com/questions/664121/… and tell me if it does make sense?
15:11
@robjohn Do you know of a closed form for $\sum_{i=1}^n \frac{H_i}{i+1}$? Note it's a partial sum.
Now who starred my possibly-wrong guess above? (frowns)
15:28
Mathematics is a subtle tautology.
@skullpatrol Because of this: mathoverflow.net/a/102186/25104
@MatsGranvik And how exactly does that have anything to do with math being a tautology?
@Mike A simpler example is the Fourier transform of the Möbius function, but it is also the inverse of the zeta function, roughly at least.
15:49
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Q: Definitions $\limsup$ and $\liminf$

saadtaameIs the given proof of the following correct? Let $\{A_n\}$ be a sequence of sets, then: $$\liminf_{n\to\infty}=\bigcup_{i=1}^\infty\bigcap_{j=i}^\infty A_j=\{\text{elements that belong to all but finitely many } A_i's\}$$ Pf. ($\leftarrow$) Let $$B_i=\bigcap_{j=i}^\infty A_j$$ Then, $$x\i...

@MatsGranvik analytic nt <3
Greetings
@BalarkaSen Is it not $\frac12\left(H_{n+1}^2-H_{n+1}^{(2)}\right)$?
@Chris'ssis Good day
@robjohn Hi! How are you doing? :-)
@Chris'ssis Fine just got back from the park and answered a half hour old questoin from Balarka Sen
16:00
@robjohn Ah, I just saw that.
Hi, I need your help for my title here :math.stackexchange.com/questions/664741/…
I'm not sure if it is written correctly
thanks
hey guys, tiny question about matrices:
I have two column matrices in a linear combination like this:
c(1,1,0) + d(0,0,1)
so my book says all possible linear combinations will result in a plane.
I'm somewhat unclear here, shouldn't it result in all of 3D space?
16:15
nope
would you be able to produce (1,0,0) with those?
sorry wait the second one is d(0,1,1)
statement stands
so c(1,1,0) doesn't have the z component, but all linear combinations will span a plane in x,y and then d(0,1,1) will be a plane in y,z together they can span all 3D space no? @Mike
Just to be clear these are column matrices.
@gideon no, c(1,1,0) will span a line
hmm.
16:18
@robjohn Seems indeed. I am answering an old Euler sum question, btw.
here's the intuitive way to think about it
a line has 'one free variable' - how far up or down the line you are
but a plane has two - you can move right/left or up/down (for whatever these should mean for your plane)
when you've only got c, that's only one free variable. you can only move up or down the line in the (1,1,0) direction - and c determines how far up or down it you are
@Mike (bear with my ignorance on this) if say c=2 then that like is 2x + 2y if c=3 then it's 3x+3y so as c changes I get different lines right?
oh! wait :/
I just saw that I don't! I used a graphing calculator.
@Mike ok one very possible dumb question : why does Ax + By = 0 stay the same line as I keep changing A and B :/
Ah! so playing with a linear equation on desmos.com makes it quite clear :D
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Q: Estimation of $\alpha_{0}$ using norm of $y_{0}$ and $y_{1}$

KnsIf $$y_{0}=\frac{1}{5}x^{5}+\frac{1}{2}x^{4}+\frac{2}{3}x^{3}+x^{2}+2x+1$$ and $$y_{1}=-\frac{1}{325}x^{13}-\frac{1}{60}x^{12}-\frac{109}{1100}x^{11}-\frac{19}{150}x^{10}-\frac{593}{1620}x^{9}-\frac{3}{5}x^{8}-\frac{311}{315}x^{7}-\frac{68}{45}x^{6}-\frac{32}{15}x^{5} -\frac{7}{3}x^{4}-\fra...

16:38
Heya
16:58
@robjohn @Chris'sis
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A: How find this $\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{H^3_{n}}{n+1}(-1)^{n+1}$

Balarka SenRecall the fact that $$\left(H_n^{(1)}\right)^3 - 3H^{(1)}_{n}H^{(2)}_{n} + 2H^{(3)}_{n} = \left [ n + 1 \atop 4\right] \frac{6}{(n-1)!}$$ Where the binomial-like notation of the right side is unsigned Stirling number. Multiplying by $x^n$ and summing both sides from $n =0$ to $\infty$, we get...

Review my answer there, please.
Also, latex on (6) has a very clunky format, maybe someone could fix that?
17:30
So, @robjohn, how did I do?
@BalarkaSen There are several identities that are not that common that I need to verify, but if you know that $$\sum_{n=0}^\infty H_n^3x^n=\frac{\mathrm{Li}_3(x)}{1-x}$$ couldn't you try to integrate that and evaluate at $-1$?
@robjohn No. It's $H_n^{(3)}$ not $\left(H_n^{(1)}\right)^3$
I think that much is clear from the question.
it defined $H_n^{(1)}$ not $H_n^{(3)}$
@BalarkaSen The statement right after $(3)$ seems to indicate what I just wrote.
"the leftmost sum"
That should be rightmost. My bad.
Edited.
@BalarkaSen I see... I still need to verify that and some other identities that are not in the common ether.
17:42
@robjohn Sure. Let me know if further explanation of them in the question is needed. BTW, which ones are uncommon?
You can derive $$\sum_{n=0}^\infty H_n^{(3)}x^n=\frac{\mathrm{Li}_3(x)}{1-x}$$ by switching order, if you must know, btw.
See, @N3bu, there's always a benefit in looking at the topics in I&S. They make you learn some things.
@BalarkaSen I and S ?
Integral & Series
Integrals and series by those russians?
Russians?
I didn't know staff members were russians.
@BalarkaSen I was thinking of Gradshteyn and Ryzhik’s
17:47
Ohh. Hahaha.
Hey, how do we know that the only units in $\Bbb Z [(1+\sqrt{-19})/2]$ are $\pm 1$? I don't understand what the guy did here
But yeah IS is usefull for tough integrals, but like the russian book I find they lack finesse.
They play very good clean, straightforward fotball, but not enough backflips, and trickshots for my taste :p
I prefer street fotball over regular fotball :p
@IanMateus Assume $a + b\theta$ is a unit. Use the properties $\theta \bar \theta = 5$ and $\theta^2 = \theta - 5$
That's all I can tell off the top of my head.
But it should be enough.
@N3buchadnezzar True.
@BalarkaSen ok, but I'm stuck on how to do it
@IanMateus Exactly where?
18:00
@BalarkaSen suppose $(a+b\theta)(c+d\theta)=1$. I only get $ac-5bd+\theta(ad+bc+bd)=1$. Evaluating $(a+b\theta)(a+b\theta')$ only gives $a^2+ab\theta' +ab \theta + 5b^2$. Now sure what to do next
@IanMateus For the first one, evaluate the $\theta$-free part. Note it's $0$
@BalarkaSen ok. I just noticed $\theta+\theta'=1$
Yes, that's true.
let $D_1$ and $D_2$ be different distributions. Let $n,m$ be integers. Is there a way to formally decompose a data set such that $n$ of the points are drawn from $D_1$ and $m$ from $D_2$?
my question is a bit general
for example say $D_1$ and $D_2$ are different multivariate normal distributions
is the joint distribution of this data going to be some kind of elliptical distribution?
18:38
I have a small question related to the Lie Group SU(2). Supposing we define a one-parameter subgroup determined by a homomorphism from the additive reals to the Lie group, we get a solution of the form F(t) = exp tA (assuming we set t=0 as the identity). Now using a representation of quaternions we can write A as ia+jb+kc. Expressing exp (tA) in terms of sin and cos functions I am unable to show that F(t1)F(t2)=F(t2)F(t1)=F(t1+t2). What's wrong?
19:22
something in your work is wrong
obvious anon is obvious
but right anon is right
This is quite an interesting problem.
Let $n_1\leqslant n_2\leqslant \cdots$ be a sequence of integers. Then the set of limit points of $$x_k=\frac{n_k}{k+n_k}$$ is a closed interval.
It might be a degenerate closed interval $\{\lim x_n\}$ is the limit exists.
19:51
@Pedro Have you seen my recent Euler sum answer?
Isn't it awesome?
I learned this technique from members of I&S
Ayo Mathematics! Does anybody know a good reference to learn about Frechet derivative ?
@BalarkaSen Seems like tough work. Not a fan of "Recall, note" and "I omit it", though.
@BalarkaSen I have a problem for you.
Also analysis.
@PedroTamaroff Good point. I will edit them out.
Suppose $x_n$ is convergent.
@PedroTamaroff Let's see

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