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20:00
@BalarkaSen I think you could let the OP choose if he wants you to do so.
The answer is pretty long already.
@PedroTamaroff Okay, as you say.
You can add a Wiki answer.
With the auxiliary calculations maybe.
That'd be cool.
Sure, will consider that.
(PS : Upvote if you like though!)
So, $x_n$ is convergent. Prove that there exists a subsequence of $x_n$ whose terms are the partial sums of an absolutely convergent series.
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@BalarkaSen It isn't too hard, but it is a nice problem.
Let me think for a moment.
Well, there exists a subsequence that converges, by B-Z. We need one that is a partial-sum-sequence. Hmm.
20:09
@PedroTamaroff is $x_k$ real?
I am pretty sure you can do it if they are complex too.
@BalarkaSen The sequence is already convergent.
Oh, okay.
@PedroTamaroff Actually, existence of one means infinitely many in this case, that is a thing to note.
OK, if anyone gives up I can provide you with a solution.
Hint Cauchy.
@PedroTamaroff That is nice.
@PedroTamaroff heh, my solution is so dumb I think I misunderstood the problem. If the sequence is real and convergent, then surely at least one of three things must be true: there are infinitely many zeros; there are infinitely many positive terms; there are infinitely many negative terms. If there are infinitely many positive terms, take the sequence $x'_1, x'_2,\ldots$ of positive terms. It is absolutely convergent because all the terms are positive and it is convergent.
20:15
@IanMateus The problem says you must exhibit a subsequence $x_{n_k}$ whose $k$-th term is the $k$-th partial sum of an absolutely convergent sequence.
You haven't done that.
I see, they are not necessarily ordered. Ok
@PedroTamaroff I am interested to see this one. Please provide.
Please don't. Provide 2nd hint instead
I agree.
Given $\varepsilon>0$, there exists $M(\varepsilon)=M$ such that $m,n>M$ implies $$|x_m-x_n|<\varepsilon$$

Choose $\varepsilon_k>0$ for $k=1,2,\ldots$ such that $\sum\limits_{k\geqslant 1}\varepsilon_k$ converges.
Claim There exists $n_1<n_2<n_3<\cdots$ such that $|x_{n_{k+1}}-x_{n_k}|<\varepsilon_k$.
Proof (...)?
It is the same trick one uses to show $L^p$ is complete, i.e. to prove Riesz Fischer.
Or that any normed vector space is complete iff summable implies absolutely summable
20:24
Let espilon_k be 1/k^2. Your claim can be proved by induction I think
@PedroTamaroff I am not familiar much with Riesz Fischer. Ask me complex analysis instead I can do better, probably.
This is weakly related to Riesz Fischer, by that trick only.
@GabrielR. Go ahead! =)
I chose $2^{-k}$. Not taking any risks.
@PedroTamaroff Oh.
@Pedro We are organizing a Q&A contest in a forum. Are you interested?
@PedroTamaroff If I could prove a monotone sequence $x_{n_1}, x_{n_2},\ldots$ exists, this would imply the claim, right?
@BalarkaSen Depends what the Q&As are about.
But I am not usually into problem solving. I mean, olympiad like problem solving.
20:29
With $n_1\lt n_2\lt n_3\cdots$
@IanMateus Explain?
@FernandoMartin Aeaeae.
@PedroTamaroff Well, it's on math, but which uses more trickery than tedious works or throwing off what you digested before.
What's up @Pedro?
Not much, I saw Nahuel yesterday. He's taking a logic course.
I just received a weird email from secretary.
20:31
@PedroTamaroff Suppose a monotone sequence $x_{n_1}, x_{n_2},\ldots$ with $n_1\lt n_2\lt \cdots$ exists. This is convergent, so it is the sequence of partial sums of an absolutely convergent series.
@IanMateus Why?
Explicate what the terms of the series are.
Ok solved it.
@FernandoMartin Let me see if I got it.
@GabrielR. Cool. Share.
@FernandoMartin Found nothing.
They were asking for photocopies of my DNI and that kind of stuff
subject is "urgente"
Maybe it's because of the TA position
This makes no sense - what if I was not in Buenos Aires?
What does "DNI" stand for?
20:36
Documento Nacional de Identidad
it's the official ID here
@PedroTamaroff: I'm starting to regret having posted in that FB thread
@PedroTamaroff it is a monotone sequence. If it is constant, we are done. If it is increasing, the terms of the series can be written as $S_{m+1}=x_{n_1}+\sum_{k=1}^m x_{n_{k+1}}-x_{n_{k}}$. It is monotone, so $x_{n_{k+1}}-x_{n_k}\geq 0$. This is absolutely convergent. The decreasing case is similar. I think the existence of such monotone sequence can be established by the pigeonhole principle, wait a bit.
@Pedro You can look at our one of the successful Q&A threads here mymathforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=41745
We are thinking of a new season right now
And already a test pre-Q&A is on the move.
@IanMateus Well, that looks fine, but you should prove such a sequence exists.
20:43
@PedroTamaroff I think there is a theorem that says that every sequence of length $2n$ contains a monotone sequence of length $n+1$. This implies the existence. I will try to prove it
@IanMateus You need it to be of infinite length. That is the Erdos something theorem, I think.
@IanMateus However what you say is true. A convergent sequence contains a monotone subsequence. The problem is it might not be increasing.
I think @GabrielR. has done what I suggested, so his solution should work.,
@PedroTamaroff the decreasing case is similar, only with negative signs. The constant case is easy
Well, good, now we have two different solutions.
Isn't existence of a monotone sequence guaranteed by B-W?
Not really.
You mean BW.
Bolzano Weiertrass give you a convergent subsequence.
It is true that any sequence contains a monotone subsequence.
And that is used with the monotone convergence theorem to prove Bolzano Weiertrass.
20:52
I see.
@PedroTamaroff Erdos–Szekeres theorem?
I again try to render the Latex in chat
@BalarkaSen Yes, I think that is the one.
it says "The COPY TO CLIPBOARD link on pastebin.com"
but I do not see any such link on pastebin
@Theta30 have you seen this page?
not yet
20:57
It is a must see :-)
After taking my last med of this week for my Bronchial congestion, I feel a bit nauseatic. Any suggestions?
Suppose the claim is proved.

$y_n=(y_n-y_{n-1})+(y_{n-1}-y_{n-2})-....+(y_1-y_0)+y_0$

Let $v_n=y_n-y_{n-1}$ and $v_0=y_0$

$\sum v_n$ is absolutely convergent since $\sum \epsilon_n$ is convergent.
i'll write something up about the proof of the claim later on
@GabrielR. which claim?
@balarka have something to eat, whenever taking any medications.
Claim There exists $n_1<n_2<n_3<\cdots$ such that $|x_{n_{k+1}}-x_{n_k}|<\varepsilon_k$.
Note that I refer to $y_n$ as the subsequence from the claim
21:04
Make that $y_k$.
@balarka medicines are concentrated chemicals and our bodies are not.
So have something to eat.
Okay, let's try it out.
Never drink alcohol or take medicine on an empty stomach.
@skullpatrol When exactly did you lose your mind, thinking about me taking alcohol?
(roll eyes)
Just a general comment pal.
21:10
And more specifically don't drink shots on an empty stomach
You'll regret it
Shots?
You mean cold drinks?
Alcohol without mix
OMG
@skull Nice avatar. Like that.
@Gabriel's Koch snowflake sucks.
Thanks :-)
21:12
Oh, here comes our suckiest avatar.
Why is that?
Hey @Jasper
@BalarkaSen Hello.
@GabrielR. Dunno. Not too colorful.
@JasperLoy A (I didn't use that a long time). Watchha doin'?
@BalarkaSen Nothing.
21:15
I am learning Dwarvish lately.
@IanMateus
@BalarkaSen hello?
@GabrielR. never proved my claim, so I prove it: since $x_n$ is Cauchy, we can produce an increasing sequence $n_1<n_2<n_3<\cdots$ such that $$|x_n-x_{n_k}|<2^{-k}$$ whenever $n>n_k$, in particular then $$|x_{n_{k+1}}-x_{n_k}|<2^{-k}$$
@IanMateus The pre-Q&A question already got me stumped
"Find a polynomial f(x) with all coefficients in {0, 1, ..., 9} such that f(2) is prime but f(x) is reducible (i.e., f(x) = g(x)h(x) with g, h in Z[x])"
Hey all.
Any ideas?
21:21
@BalarkaSen Well, you need $g(2)=1,p$ or $h(2)=p,1$, WLOG take one and start from that?
Coefficients.
No negative.
=D
All in {0,...,9}
$f(x)$ must have coefficients all in $\{0, \cdots, 9\}$
Nonnegative coefficients, that's bad. Just ruled out my examples
That is what stumping me.
@IanMateus Bad. Bad. Baaaaaaad. Baa. Baa. Baaaaaa.
This one is by Charles, so don't think he will give trivial questions like that.
Yes, the Charles in SE mains.
21:25
Hi @argon long time no see.
Where is neon?
=P
And xenon =D
I see that argon is gone before saying anything.
@Ian @Pedro rule of signs gives that it has 0 positive roots and 1 negative root.
Ha, got downvoted by an idiot.
21:37
How do you know they're an idiot?
@skullpatrol because he downvoted presumably
@JasperLoy Who is that?
I upvoted, neverthless.
@BalarkaSen Well, I don't think my answer deserves a downvote without comment.
I know that feel.
Anyone saw Ted today?
21:39
BTW, @Jasper, can you give hints on whom you hate? The 100k user?
I have resolved not to cast a single downvote on my new accounts.
accounts?
You have multiples?
@BalarkaSen Ah, you would not understand, I hate him/her also because of many past events while you were not here.
@BalarkaSen On different SE sites, lol.
@JasperLoy starts with (...) ends with A?
I just wonder if it was me @Mike hates.
@BalarkaSen Nvm , it would be too obvious if I gave any more hints.
21:42
"Hate" is a very strong word.
@JasperLoy You could've said "Kid, it happened when you were not even born" to sound more tragic.
@BalarkaSen no sucess here. Tried some quadratic irreducibles.
Hey, Ramanujan (@Ethan)
@IanMateus I am having a bit doubt if one even exists.
lol coming from the 14 year old Indian kid studying hypergeometric functions
I am 41, idiot. =D
21:45
9th grade?
Grade? Do you know whom you are speaking to? I am a P.H.D
"I am a 9-th grader interested in number theory and theory of equations. I am, at present, working on sextic equations and some results related to sum of cubes equal to square of sum property."
That's a show off.
There is no period between the P and the h.
Wanna see my P.H.D.?
21:47
Not particularly, no.
alright
Oh, I was afraid "P.H.D" in his case was a euphemism for something you ought not be showing people over the internet.
what was your dissertation on
"Ph" stands for philosophy in PhD @balaraka
@skullpatrol P.H.D. has an expanded pun form for Ph. D. in bengali. It's rude, though.
21:49
or viva voce
@Ethan viva você?
i think thats what they call it in gb and india
@Ethan anti-Desaregaus, anti-homomorphic hologenus topological inverse galois theoretic super-ring isotopic analytic hyper-realistic surjective commutative algebra.
Hi @ethan, lol.
lol Desaregaus?
21:52
If you got no idea what I am saying, see thatsmathematics.com/mathgen
yea thats giberish
lol
lol
I did a lot of groundbreaking work there, they say
'My groundbreaking works on topological galois theory was a major advanced"
Who says?
yea its a mimic of an app created by some guys at MIT that makes cs papers
only math papers here
21:55
Darn the internet connection.
Hey @ethan when will you know if you get in or not to the college?
i applied to several
in about a month and a half
from now
How many did you apply to?
So, @Ethan, you are a college guy?
You strike me as an analytic number theorist.
Ethan is Ramanujan, lol.
21:59
@JasperLoy He is.
@BalarkaSen I am Banana, lol.
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Asante sana squash Banana
@JasperLoy I am the Idiotest of the Idiots who thinks Idiocy is Idiotic.
In America the words college and university are commonly used interchangeably
22:03
I have done some poetry work recently.
I am very sad today, my lhf are getting not enough votes...
I had a marvelous proof of Riemann Hypothesis, but alas it didn't fit in the Margins of my Thesis.
Fermat-like
I am going to eat something.
22:31
Last problem was rather easy. Let's try another one. If $\liminf\limits_{n\to\infty} x_n=0$, there exists infinitely many $n$ such that $x_n<x_k$ for every $k<n$.
Oh, I have something interesting. It's easy with the Axiom of Choice, I guess, is it possible without though?
Prove that there exists a set of all sets of Natural numbers with one and only one item in them.
@Studentmath Come again?
Yeah. Have to prove that the following exists:
A set that has within it all the sets of of natural numbers that has within them one and only one number (item).
I may use the Axiom of choice to answer it, so it's easy. Wonder if it's even possible without the Axiom of choice, though.
22:55
@anon We did a nice analysis exercise some hours ago.
It is starred, third from the top.
howdy @Pedro @Studentmath
Hey @TedShifrin
How goes it?
Pretty well, thanks, and you?
So-so, hopefully tomorrow will be better
Well, you hope your days are well-ordered :D
23:08
Haha, yeah
With < of course
not >...
That'll be a shame if so..
@TedShifrin HAI.
mai tai @Pedro's Hai.
@TedShifrin We solved a problem today.
you solve lots of problems
23:21
I need to think about one of my optional homework problems for my diff geo class. One of my students was stuck on it, and I haven't thought about it for years.
@Studentmath Yeah, it's doable without the axiom of choice.
heya @Karl
@TedShifrin Hello, what is this diff geo problem?
Ah, you know about Bertrand curves?
This is undergrad-level, not fancy-schmancy grad level.
oh, not really
23:27
@TedShifrin What's the problem? Just curious.,
Here it is in a nutshell. Suppose $\alpha$ and $\beta$ are curves so that $\beta(s)$ lies on the normal line to $\alpha$ at $s$ and vice versa. Then $\beta = \alpha + rN$ for some constant $r$. The problem is to prove that the product of the torsions of $\alpha$ and $\beta$ at corresponding points is constant.
Ted removes himself for dinner
Ram
Ram
Hi All, what are 2x2 minors of elements of a Matrix (say nxm)
@Ram There are many. Just smaller submatrices of size 2x2.
Ram
Ram
@PedroTamaroff you mean the collection of all 2x2 submatrices of the original Matrix?
@Ram Right.
But they must be obtained by deleting n-2 rows and m-2 columns of your matrix.
You cannot pick arbitrary entries.
Ram
Ram
23:42
@PedroTamaroff Ok, is the irrespective of elements? Unlike Matrix Minors, where Minor matrix of say x_ij is we delete ith row and jth column
here we can delete any arbitrary n-2 rows and m-2 columns?
Ram
Ram
Thanks Pedro :)
@KarlKronenfeld Just figured, it's possible with the axiom of union and so on, only..
@Studentmath My solution is kinda ugly (although it works for arbitrary well-ordered sets), what's yours?
Hm, haven't formalized it yet really, but let me try translating the rough line of idea:
Alright, we need to prove that the following exists:
A set of all Sets of natural numbers with one item only.
We can define the.. erm, is character the right word? The character so that a set has only one natural number with the accepted signs
23:50
@robjohn What happened to your two -1 posts? I can't find them anymore.
@Studentmath I don't know what character means in this context.
@JasperLoy I didn't do anything. Let me look...
Where we say: there exists an xEA <--> x belongs to N AND x,y belongs to A <->x=y
@JasperLoy someone else must have upvoted them
@robjohn Ah, I see. It was not me, lol.
23:53
@Studentmath well, that defines A to be a singleton set as I would call it.
@JasperLoy this one and this one were upvoted yesterday while I was still capped.
@KarlKronenfeld yep. We can build such set according to the axiom of partial sets according to a given character/property - character or property is something like < being an order on A, you can prove it with the accepted 'minimal' signs
@robjohn OK, I just upvoted them.
if it helps it's usually marked with $\phi$
Oh, you're referring to the axiom of comprehension.
Yeah.
23:56
Yes.
Okay, now next step will be to prove there exists a set of all such sets.
@JasperLoy whee! I'm up to 60 today :-)
(Also, the axiom of pairing works here to construct singleton sets.)
Oh yeah, forgot to mention that.
@robjohn Once you reach 100k you can retire lol.
Now, for every given singletone set as such,
according to the axiom of paring, we can build another set that has these two sets
23:58
yes
@JasperLoy I spent too much time thinking about a few questions today. Not much rep
According to the axiom of Union, for every given two sets as such, there will exists a set who has all the given sets in them.
That is correct.
Now basically from here we have merely have to repeat these steps with different sets, and we get the set of all sets with this property.

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