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4:00 PM
No tennis lesson today, @Peter?
 
@what'sup have you seen this one? $$\lim_{n\to\infty}\sum_{k=0}^{n} \frac{1}{\displaystyle \binom{n}{k}^{2013}}$$
 
@TedShifrin Well, but isn't a set Jordan measurable $\iff$ $\mu(\partial A)=0$? =)
 
yes
 
@TedShifrin Yes, three. I gave one 11 am, having two more in an hour.
 
1 hour ago, by Mariano Suárez-Alvarez
it is not an exponent in this context
 
4:01 PM
@skullpatrol Of course it isn't. What's your point?
 
Probably, @Peter. You know this stuff better than I :)
 
@Chris'ssis i'm thinking in beta function
 
@what'sup I hope you like it. :-)
 
1 hour ago, by skullpatrol
well, it sort of looks like it is in the exponent's place... no?
 
@TedShifrin Well, note that the indicator function of $A$ is discontinuous precisely at $\partial A$. Thus $$\int_R \chi_A$$ exists $\iff$ $\mu(\partial A)=0$.
 
4:02 PM
@Chris'ssis anybody tried to solve it ???
 
@skullpatrol I don't feel like arguing with your past self.
 
@what'sup I don't know ... I created it this morning and then I posted it here.
 
@PeterTamaroff Let us let @TedShifrin decide which is better, OK?
 
Right, @Peter :)
Oh, don't get me in a cat fight. I'm trying to grad grad diff geo.
Grade ...
 
@TedShifrin We just what your judgment Sir?
 
4:05 PM
@Chris'ssis ok
 
@skullpatrol Don't waste time on such things, skullie.
2
 
:-)
 
I have no idea what you guys are referring to.
 
@TedShifrin I proved what I told you the other day, that if $f$ is diff. with diff. inverse then every closed form on $U$ is exact $\iff$ every closed form on $f(U)$ is exact.
 
@TedShifrin Peter's comment on this answer
 
4:10 PM
When you say diff, do you mean smooth?
 
@TedShifrin Differentiable.
Yes.
When Spivak says differentiable he means $C^\infty$.
He cleared that out at the start of the book, or something.
Can that fail if $f$ is merely differentiable, or say $C^1$?
We shall tacitly assume that forms and vector fields are differentiable, and "differentiable" will henceforth mean $C^\infty$; this is a simplifying assumption that eliminates the need for counting how many times a function is differentiated in a proof.
 
It's probably ok, but I'm not used to keeping careful counts of how many derivatives are used where. @skull ... peter's comment seems to be gone, but I added one.
Ok, @Peter, I say smooth where I don't to worry. I warn my students that diff does nor imply $C^1$.
Not, not nor. Ugh at iPad :)
 
Thanks for having a look @TedShifrin
 
@TedShifrin Right.
 
Lunchtime. See you guys later! :)
 
4:17 PM
later pal
@TedShifrin thanks for dropping by :-)
 
@what'sup I know what you mean by using beta function, but it would be great if we managed to find an elementary solution, something easy, simple.
 
@Chris'ssis Ah, interesting.
 
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Q: Finding the limits

Jump_aroundSuppose $a_1=1, a_{k+1}=\sqrt{a_1+a_2+\cdots +a_k}, k \in \mathbb{N}$. Find the limits $$i)\space \lim_{n\to\infty}\displaystyle \frac{\sum_{k=1}^{n} a_{k}}{n\sqrt{n}}$$ $$ii)\space \lim_{n\to\infty}\displaystyle \frac{\sum_{k=1}^{n} a_{k}}{n^2}$$ I'm puzzled with it. What to do?

@Chris'ssis Don't hide it, show it to the world :D
 
@skullpatrol :-))))))))))))))))
 
$$\Huge \text{a BOUNTY of 500 points!!!}$$
 
4:29 PM
@skullpatrol :))))))))
 
4:41 PM
i) = 1
ii) = 2
done
Can i has bounties now?
 
5:24 PM
math.stackexchange.com/questions/277069/… is an amazing example of something.
 
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez an example of over-thinking?
two odd numbers have an even difference
 
5:48 PM
 
Hello
 
Hello
 
I have a question regarding flags, is that ok if I pose it here?
 
yes. however, if it is not trivial, meta might be a better place (mainly because you might not get an answer)
 
Alright
So I recently got 10k points and gained access the Tools under Review
 
5:52 PM
okay
 
I take it that under the "flags" tab, I see flags made by other users
There have been a couple of flags which I disagree with, and so I chose put it as an Invalid flag
I did this because the answers were flagged as "not an answer" and I think that they were indeed answers, however the quality of them could be questioned
Nevertheless, all my "invalid flags" has been disputed even though the answers are still here
So it seems to me that the "not an answer" flags was declined/disputed otherwise the answer would have been deleted (right?), but at the same time my "invalid flag" was also disputed
am I making any sense?
 
yes.
@skullpatrol C'mon dude.
 
well, it's not a trivial question...take it to meta
 
@StefanHansen I guess you have read this
 
Nope, I haven't read that
 
5:59 PM
Okay then you can read it.
 
Aha
That answers my question
Thank you very much
 
Welcome.
 
But a moderator would still have to decide whether my "invalid flag" was correct or not, right?
 
hi smart guys what'sup ?
 
@StefanHansen not sure
 
6:10 PM
@JayeshBadwaik pardon my interruption earlier
 
 
2 hours later…
8:26 PM
What is trick for $$\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} e^{-ax^2-by^2} \, dxdy,$$ where $a$ and $b$ are positive real numbers.
 
8:38 PM
@Cortizol Elliptical change of coordinates?
 
8:55 PM
Hey @PeterTamaroff
or anyone
 
@Cortizol yes it's easy $$ \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} e^{-ax^2} e^{-by^2} \ dx \ dy = \left( \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} e^{-ax^2} \ dx \right) \left( \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} e^{-by^2} \ dy \right) $$

try to using change to polar coordinates to solve these integrals :-)
hi @Alizter
 
@what'sup what's up?
 
good thank you and you @Alizter
 
@what'sup I'm good. I'm about to ask chat a question but I am formatting now
 
@Alizter OK.
 
8:59 PM
@Alizter ask it maybe we can help you .
 
okay so I made a new notation
it nests summations and productions
and can be represented as such:
$\newcommand{\CapPsi}{\mathop{\vphantom{\sum}\mathchoice{\vcenter{\huge\Psi}}{\vcenter{\Large \Psi}}{\Psi}{\Psi}}}$
$$\sum\CapPsi_{b=1}^a\sum^b_{n_b=0}k_n=\sum^1_{n_1=0}\sum^2_{n_2=0}\dots\sum^a_{n_a=0}k_n$$
$$\prod\CapPsi_{b=1}^a\prod^b_{n_b=0}k_n=\prod^1_{n_1=0}\prod^2_{n_2=0}\dots\prod^a_{n_a=0}k_n$$
 
@Alizter OK? Slightly confusing.
 
IF that is possible it will have something to do with $x^2-y^2=(x-y)(x+y)$ maybe, or $e^{a+b}$ = $e^ae^b$
 
It has some properties like

$\newcommand{\CapPsi}{\mathop{\vphantom{\sum}\mathchoice{\vcenter{\huge\Psi}}{\vcenter{\Large \Psi}}{\Psi}{\Psi}}}$$$\prod\CapPsi^a_{b=1}\prod^b_{n_b=0}k=k^{a!}$$
 
@Alizter it's not very useful EXCEPT in that specific case because of grammar ambiguities.
COMPILER-LANGUAGE-PARSER-POWER ACTIVATE!
:P
 
9:06 PM
@AlecTeal I know I am using it for multinmal representation
 
O_O
 
Or you could use the three dots..
 
@AlecTeal The whole point of this is so that I do not have to use intuition :P
@PeterTamaroff Shall I move on?
 
@Alizter OK.
 
@Alizter don't confuse "intuition" with "unproven thought-y wishy washy interpretation"
That's why we have Analysis.
So we can use the intuition part safely.
 
9:08 PM
@AlecTeal It's just a representation
 
@Alizter I wouldn't want to use it, really. At least at a first glance. Dunno.
 
agree
 
@PeterTamaroff It's not really for use
 
:-)
 
I did just come up with it an hour ago
It's just to represent something which I am writing now so bear with me
 
9:11 PM
@Alizter has it made a particular type of problem really easy/nice to write? WHILE being unambiguous?
 
@Alizter OK.
 
Apologies for the ugliness but take a few minutes to "try" and understand
$\newcommand{\CapPsi}{\mathop{\vphantom{\sum}\mathchoice{\vcenter{\Huge\Psi}}{\vcenter{\Large \Psi}}{\Psi}{\Psi}}}$
$$\Large\sum_{k_1+k_2\dots k_m=n}=\sum\CapPsi^{m-1}_{j=0}\;\;\;\sum^{n-\sum^j_{i=0}k_{m-i}}_{k_{m-j}}=0$$
 
sorry i'm leaving good bye

$$ \huge{ \mathrm{get \ real} \ i , \mathrm{get \ rational} \ \pi } $$ :-)
 
@PeterTamaroff It is representing the sum with the dots we made yesterday about the LHS
 
@Alizter Oh, but there is no need to use that $\Psi$, dude.
 
9:17 PM
Is there another way besides dots?
 
OH, noes.
makes perfect sense!
 
Wait though that doesn't work
 
I was just thinking that. Man btw is that a lot of sums over.
 
@Alizter OH, I see what you mean.
You want to concatenate them.
 
also I cant edit it now but here is a fixed version of above:
$\newcommand{\CapPsi}{\mathop{\vphantom{\sum}\mathchoice{\vcenter{\Huge\Psi}}{\vcenter{\Large \Psi}}{\Psi}{\Psi}}}$
$$\Large\sum_{k_1+k_2\dots k_m=n}=\sum\CapPsi^{m-1}_{j=1}\;\;\;\sum^{n-\sum^j_{i=0}k_{m-i}}_{k_{m-j}=0}$$
If I start with $j=0$ I sum empty things
It's more of an iterated nestation operator
 
9:40 PM
@PeterTamaroff
$\newcommand{\CapPsi}{\mathop{\vphantom{\sum}\mathchoice{\vcenter{\Huge\Psi}}{\vcenter{\Large \Psi}}{\Psi}{\Psi}}}$

Multinomial

Let
$$\sum_{p=1}^mk_p=n$$
Then the multinomial theorem is as follows:
$$\Large\sum_{k_1+k_2\dots k_m=n}=\sum\CapPsi^{m-1}_{j=1}\;\;\;\sum^{n-\sum^j_{i=0}k_{m-i}}_{k_{m-j}=0}\prod^m_{p=1}\binom{\sum^p_{q=1}k_q}{k_p}x_p^{k_p}=(x_1+x_2\dots x_m)^n$$
 
(Sorry to spam just want to test a comment: $\lvert\frac{\partial{\boldsymbol{r}}}{\partial{\theta}}\times\frac{\partial{\bo‌​ldsymbol{r}}}{\partial{\psi}}\rvert d\theta\ d\psi$ )
Is that rendering properly for you guys, my client doesn't like the the second partial's numerator?
 
@Alizter no one can understand that
 
@angrySquare I explained it above
 
@Alizter what does $\CapPsi$ mean?
 
scroll up a bit
Take your time to get your square around it
 
9:54 PM
@Alizter Is there an uncontrived example of where that is useful?
 
Above
Multinomial theorem
It's useful for representing sums that take into account combinations of values
 
@Alizter okay... For now, I will stay with the standard notation $\sum\limits_{k_1+k_2\dots k_m=n}$.
 
My notation was just another way of thinking about it. The only reason I am talking about it is to check for flaws.
I hope nobody has nightmares tonight
 
10:28 PM
Things that piss me off: answer gives the exact same argument I gave 15 minutes ago, gets upvoted, I don't.
 
@PeterTamaroff I think you went into way too much detail in the construction of $n$, and went into no detail in the most important part--the verification that the rationals really intersect every interval.
 
you'll be happy to know $\mathbb{T}\mathbb{H}\mathbb{I}\mathbb{S}$ guy deleted his answer.
 
@KarlKronenfeld Dude, I did that exactly. I showed that for each $x,y$, $(x,y)\cap\Bbb Q\neq \varnothing$.
@DanielRust Heh, that was one strange dude.
 
@PeterTamaroff Oops, I failed at comprehension.
(shame)
 
@KarlKronenfeld Tsk, tsk.
 
10:36 PM
I only saw the answer because both your and his answer came up in the 'low quality posts' queue :P
was tempted to flag his, given it was word for word your answer, modulo some strange TeX formatting
 
10:48 PM
@DanielRust Weird. I was just being succinct.
 
@PeterTamaroff Yeah, the system isn't very smart. It sees a short answer and thinks it can't possibly be a correct one.
 
@DanielRust Cannot recall what you work in.
 
tiling spaces
 
@DanielRust What's that?
 
at the intersection of dynamical systems and algebraic topology
 
10:50 PM
@DanielRust Oh, fancy!
 
you've probably seen penrose tilings before
 
@DanielRust Not really. =P
 
you can associate a topological space to such aperiodic tilings, and the invariants of this space tells you something about the tiling you started with.
 
@DanielRust Yeah.
 
it's fun stuff :D
 
10:53 PM
@DanielRust Must be! =)
So you're only 23, and you're already on a PhD programme? Nice.
 
@PeterTamaroff Yeah, one of the bonuses of studying in the UK i guess.
 
Hah, my landlord is planning to re-tile my bathroom, and I suggested Penrose tiles. She liked them, visually, but too expensive to buy and lay.
 
@ThomasAndrews hehe, my advisor has an aperiodic tiling behind his stove
 
I recall reading the beginning of a book on "Non-commutative geometry" which said such tilings are related to NCG. I've forgotten the details.
Cool.
That one looks easier to get, since only half the tiles are non-square. :)
 
@ThomasAndrews yeah there's some nice dualities. K theory is a strong invariant of tiling spaces (although I don't know much yet about such links)
 
11:08 PM
Is it easy to show that for any primorial $p_n\#$, the nearest primes $\ne p_n\# \pm 1$ are $p_n\#+a$ and $p_n\#-b$ with $a,b \in \Bbb P$?
 
11:33 PM
@DanielRust That is a dildo!
 
@GustavoBandeira never seen an aga before?
 
My previous statement would follow if the residues of all primes $>p_n$ modulo $p_n\#$ are just the union of $\pm 1$ with $\pm$ the primes between $p_n+1$ and $\frac{p_n\#}2-1$ for $n>2$. Is this true?
 
11:58 PM
Guys I hate to do this, but I want to know if I'm right, may I bump math.stackexchange.com/questions/480934/…
 
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