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10:38
@Cerberus May I ask, is there a reason that drives you to be a night owl? I am one sheerly out of incompetence.
 
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13:35
@ktm5124 Remark: Do you happen to know what a night owl is in Latin? It would make a nice little question if you are interested. (I have an answer, probably a partial one.)
 
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17:14
@JoonasIlmavirta I don't. Rogabo.
@JoonasIlmavirta I was day-dreaming recently about re-visiting Caesar's Gallic Wars which would make me an active participant once again.
17:26
O.K. Asked.
By the way, if you want a good morning arbot, look up the etymology of "O.K."
18:23
@ktm5124 That's an interesting late night arbot for me. :)
@ktm5124 Respondi.
I saw! May I ask, do you happen to be a night owl yourself? Strength in numbers. My roommate makes me feel ashamed at times, because she goes to sleep every night at 9:30 on the dot.
(I thought that was the implication in your response, but I was unsure.)
@ktm5124 How is it even possible to go to bed systematically at that hour?
If I don't restrain myself, it's not unusual to go to bed around 2 am.
She has some strong circadian rhythms or something.
We all know that women are more periodic.
That's an unusual meaning of "periodic", but a fitting one.
Hehe.
18:30
Now I wonder whether there was an established classical Latin word for periods.
Presumably yes...
I wonder, which type could you mean? I could see there being different words for all the different instances.
I mean the ladies' kind of periods.
Ah, I see. There must be!
My dictionary says menstruatio and menorrhagia.
They talked so much about that kind of stuff, I can only imagine it showed up in the plays and epistulae.
Indeed, that would make a good question. But if you are hesitant to ask, I could ask in your place.
18:34
I won't stop you from asking. :)
I was just wonder whether a simple dictionary check would solve it.
L&S gives menstrualis: "Of or belonging to the monthly courses of women".
I don't seem to be able to find a noun in L&S for that. Only the adjective (also menstruus).
At least I can't find a classical word for the noun with a simple dictionary lookup. That's my criterion for a valid question.
We could even devote a question to the plethora of female vocabulary, like breaking water, menarche, placentas...
Hehe, I am mostly joking.
That's a good criterion you have.
@ktm5124 That's too broad for a single question. But we could dedicate a tag...
@JoonasIlmavirta It might even lead to a separate beta: Ladies' Latin.
To follow the good old roundabout ways of L&S, why not call the tag curses-of-women?
@ktm5124 I'm fairly confident that'd fail.
Now that you mention it, I don't think there are many women on our site.
@JoonasIlmavirta That would be funny.
We have Penelope. But yeah, few others.
18:44
@ktm5124 Yes, but probably inappropriate.
But the extent to which a dictionary can go to avoid profanities of any kind can be exhilarating.
And irritating if you want to actually understand the nuance of a word.
I still have plans to make a flier and advertise. Maybe then we'll get more female members.
I was going to post it on the bulletin boards of a few Chicago universities.
Sounds great!
I have come to believe that the differences between men and women are overstated.
Did you plan to make the flier publicly available so others can spread the word, too?
@ktm5124 Gradually?
Yeah I would share it on Meta.
Suddenly, actually. I think cultural differences bias us to infer more biological differences than there actually are.
I think we're basically the same.
18:50
Yes, much of the difference is cultural.
And the differences are therefore wildly different in different cultures.
(Now that's a sentence that makes a difference, no?)
But the Y chromosome is a huge difference at first. At conception, the differences are indeed pronounced. Which is a little strange.
The biological differences are significant too, but I feel they are insufficient grounds for the cultural differences.
Hehe. Your sentence makes many differences.
I think the curious thing is that we still don't know how much of an impact a biological difference has on a person's ... personhood.
Whatever that difference may be.
Curious indeed.
I assume most of our gender role traits are learned culturally, not innate.
And the way we create identities for persons, whether they be mathematicians or classicists, carpenters or artists, it makes the biology less relevant... The factor which more affects a person's identity, in terms of occupation, is not biology but rather education.
One might say that educational differences have a bigger effect on a person's identity than their biology.
And so if different biological creatures (genders, species) all have the capacity to learn, they might be less different than we think.
Oh, that's exactly what you said. Sorry, I'm on my phone and I have trouble scrolling up. Anyway. Bene requiescat. I would' want to keep you up.
19:05
@ktm5124 Certainly.
And there are personality differences as well.
@ktm5124 Trying to figure out how to reply to that, I started wondering whether dieicola is a thing. Maybe tomorrow...
Vale!
19:19
Vale!
 
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21:58
@ktm5124 Ah, if by that you mean a lack of discipline, then I am like you.
My body wants to go to bed late and later every day.
Although I have with effort regressed my sleep cycle to a bed time of around 1 AM.
Which necessitated getting only 4 hours of sleep for weeks.
That is, when I got to bed two hours earlier than I'm used to, I wake up 2–4 hours later and am unable to sleep for the rest of the night.
So it's very hard to be like normal people.
Let's see how long I can keep this up (probably not for long...).
How about you?
22:15
I caught a favorable breeze on the vast seas of sleep and sleeplessness, but then that breeze dissipated rather quickly, and now I am once again adrift.
I was surprising even myself by heading to bed at 12AM, waking up as early as 9-9:30. But then I regressed.
Yes, I think a lack of discipline and a disobedient body are the main culprits...
Question
What sources do we have describing Caesar's civil war?
So far I have Caesar's own account, Cassius Dio, and Lucan
That might be a good question for the forum.
@Draconis Indeed, that would be an excellent question!
@ktm5124 Alas!
For the forum?
The main site.
Which is not technically called a forum by SE.
22:30
Ah
Posted
Bene factum!
Hiii.
Mazel tov!
@ktm5124 Such a beautiful sentence!
Greetings.
22:44
@Cerberus How is ELU these days?
Tu vis pour manger ou tu manges pour vivre?
Je pense que je mange juste pour vivre...
I don't know why so many sites these days let you view different things based on your location. Sometimes, your location is just not that relevant to me.
Mais mes amis sont différentes. Ils ont joie de vivre.
@Jasper I don't know, I have been there much. Seems to be deadish of late.
@ktm5124 By the way, what does your username mean?
22:48
@ktm5124 Mais pourquoi? La gastronomie ne vous fait pas de plaisir?
Malheureusement, la je ne fais pas de plaisir... seuls les cookies et les bonbons.
@Jasper It's a tad personal, I must say. It stands for someone's initials.
I see the very expensive 2 volume Oxford Latin Dictionary on the OUP website.
Did any of you here buy a copy?
@Cerberus Oh, I was wrong. I should have said, La gastronomie ne me fait pas de plaisir.
Or "elle".
Quel malheur pour toi!
Je n'étais pas sûr de qu'elle veut dire... i.e. La gastronomie.
23:02
Am I right to say that Italian is the language closest to Latin that is still in use today?
I have wondered about this myself but I think the answer is complicated. On what criteria? Vocabulary, pronunciation or grammar?
I would say yes, at least of the big languages.
@ktm5124 Somehow, that reminded me of this funny little song:
Merci! Je la vais écouter.
It's just the phrase "quel grand malheur pour moi".
The Italian version for @Jasper ^.
What great misfortune for me?
23:07
Yes!
I have the 3rd edition of the Oxford Paravia Italian Dictionary.
It is now out of print and is selling for thousands of dollars!
Tonepoet in ELU chat also managed to get a new copy.
Interesting that heur comes from augur.
Really!
I thought from hora.
Ah well, heure must come from hora.
But heureux comes from augur.
@Cerberus She should do a Latin version, lol.
23:14
> la collision homon. avec heure*, notamment dans des expr. avec bon ou mal eur, est à l'orig. de l'ajout de l'initiale h au Moyen Âge
Indeed, it's a collision of homophones, is it not?
@ktm5124 Is English your native language?
@Jasper Yep!
I often wonder what English sounds like to people who do not know it.
It sounds like what Russian sounds like to us, lol.
But the two languages are phonetically quite different, no?
I read somewhere that it sounds similar to Norwegian, but I don't know how accurate the source is.
23:19
Yeah, just a bad joke.
@Cerberus The homophonous collision with heure, notably in the expression, avec bon ou mal eur, is originally from the addition of the initial h in the Middle Ages. C'est exact?
And it's logical that eur comes from augur.
@ktm5124 The other way around.
The homophonous collision is at the source of the addition of the h.
Now bed calls.
English has weird vowels.
Adieu for now!
Adieu!

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